Is it worth training hand to hand combat for SHTF?

Does anyone else think we should be teaching level headed young men how to fight? How does one do this in a way that isn't destructive to the student? Everyone I've met who is into MMA training does dangerous screwed up things to their bodies one might not want their son to emulate.

Is there a program to teach someone to not be a pussy that doesn't involve serious risk of injury to the learner?

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The risk of injury is why it makes you not a pussy

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    > we

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I don't think I"m supposed to say "white men" on this board so I just used the word "we"

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I mean get them to learn a combat sport but maybe don't let them do heavy sparring

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >i wish army man stuff was taught in school, then id actually have a class i was good at!

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >we need to bring back the draft so I can feel like a real man without any of the professional standards or war stuff

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Is there a program to teach someone to not be a pussy that doesn't involve serious risk of injury to the learner?
    It’s called wrestling

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Shhh, don't let them know that your local public high school will train you to fight your peers under professional supervision for free after school during the dark winter months, and the coaches want nothing more than to transform little manlet weaklings into confident wolverines, win or lose.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >high school
        >peers
        homie what?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          yes moron, in high school you wrestle your peers, the other students.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Anon, in America high school ends at age 18. You have to be 18 to post here.
            Unless you are implying that OP is underage and I autistically missed that, in which case I apologize

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              OP was specifically asking about teaching young men to fight, which I took to include high school kids, who wild traditionally be included in the “fighting age men” category
              Other options are MMA gyms for people outside of high school, some of whom also focus on wrestling instead of bjj

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Is there a program to teach someone to not be a pussy that doesn't involve serious risk of injury to the learner?
    Yeah, go teach yourself Wing Chun

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >level headed young men
    There's no such thing as a "level-headed man." This goes over 9000x for the young ones.
    Testosterone makes us prone to violence, which is why society spends so much effort trying to curb it.

    Teaching to fight just ensures that every disagreement ends in a fight.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ask me how I know you’ve never been in any kind of training, much less a real fight

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      We should absolutely train younguns how to fight.
      I was kicked around by bullies in high school, and I lacked the confidence or skills to deal with them or be normal, because I knew I'd get my ass kicked. As a result, it was impossible for me to have social skills or talk to girls. It was like cascading developmental setbacks caused by my inability to fight. It was only when I joined a boxing club, and then joined an MMA club, that I gained real confidence. So yeah, martial arts training is critical for youngsters.
      First of all, it gives kids what they need to stick up for themselves against bullies and the like.
      It also improves one's self esteem, as you find your own limits and gain confidence in your body and abilities.
      It's also a form of fitness that has real, tangible benefits. It feels like something real, rather than just a sport you play to kill time. That's huge for a developing kid/teenager to experience.

      Not true in my experience. Those who are most eager to get in fights in my circle are not the ones who train regularly. They're the alcoholics and other such losers, who take out their aggression in the wrong way. The men I know that train are actually very level-headed.

      Any sort of wrestling or grappling
      US folkstyle, freestyle, greco-roman, judo, BJJ, sambo, doesn't matter.
      It will get you fit and it will get you used to the stress of fighting and the risk of permanent injury (CTE, namely) is orders of magnitude lower than in sports like boxing or muay thai

      Wrestling/grappling is awesome, but striking martial arts can definitely be practiced with low risk of brain injury. All-out sparring matches to knockout should be practiced only very rarely, like once a year or less. You want to practice sparring at like 30-50% intensity: Throw a few blows, slip/block a few blows, give each other some space. Rinse and repeat for a couple minutes. Just like grappling, you also use drills in punching, kicking, elbowing, kneeing, and ofc responding to all those blows.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >but striking martial arts can definitely be practiced with low risk of brain injury
        I get what you're saying but shit just happens sometimes. It's enough that a tard with a bruised ego and a chip on his shoulder loses his shit during "light sparring" and severely injures his opponent, for example.
        Of course, training incidents can happen in grappling sports also, but I think that by their nature, it's less likely for such a thing to occur. Though admittedly, if it does occur the injuries can be more severe

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Thank you for your input, ma'am.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Spoken like a b***h who has never even been threatened with physical violence. You should get back to crying and screaming like you're the one being hit while men are fighting. Or was it egging your simp on to defend your non existent honor?
      I hope your Black person boyfriend gets shot, or you end up killed by him.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Teaching to fight just ensures that every disagreement ends in a fight.
      The martial arts people I know all have more discipline than the non-fighting sports people I know.

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I want a fricking gun god dammit, I i'm tired of being some europoor with no gun rights.
    Punching people is gay, just learn to muaya thai and give them the elbow.
    Wrestling is good, but you can kill a man for tackling and slamming him into the ground.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They punch a ton in Muay Thai. It literally means "Thai boxing".

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I can give you my own childhood and upbringing.
    Put into a mostly black elementary school, so got plenty of violence and beatings and fights, but they can’t hit that hard that young and didn’t stomp me.
    Around 4th-5th grade put into Wing Chun kungfu classes, great for teaching momentum, redirection, getting forms down.
    6-7th grade was karate, instead of redirection more hard blocks.
    8th -10th grade was heavy bag and speed bag and boxing lessons from pops
    11th and 12th grade is partying and getting in fights, mostly with losers who started it or were running their mouths, so easy Ws.
    Did some bouncing at bars in mid-20s, great opportunity to pick your fights, depending on the state owner/operator is liable for what you do, and cops rarely come to bars anyway unless it’s a drunk passed out chick they can ogle.

    I got to learn a lot and never broke a bone or my nose. Black kids, Chinese Sifu, my gulf war vets karate instructors, my dad who boxed, and drunk buttholes at the bars, I owe all of them.

    Wish I had done wrestling but I was a little shrimp until junior year.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Larp.
      The only thing you ever boxed with was another man’s wiener.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Spent some youth years living in a midwestern hood. The only 1v1 fight i ever lost was against a white kid who boxed. If you look out for the donkey punch most blacks are hacks at fighting. Always wanted to learn some judo moves to slam and throw drunk morons at the bars

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        BJJ in a REAL gym is pretty hardcore

        Any sort of wrestling or grappling
        US folkstyle, freestyle, greco-roman, judo, BJJ, sambo, doesn't matter.
        It will get you fit and it will get you used to the stress of fighting and the risk of permanent injury (CTE, namely) is orders of magnitude lower than in sports like boxing or muay thai

        Wrestling is an important component of any complete martial arts regimen, but Boxing is and always will be primary.

        BJ experts will straight up lie to you with their "most fights end up on the ground" BS. 99% of fights on the street are decided by the first clean punch to the head, and the ensuing thrashing of the unconscious man on the floor does not constitute "ground game".
        Boxing is the only thing that will save you if you're attacked by multiple people and it's your ONLY chance if someone intends to go for a weapon, because most people cant take even a single good shot to the head, let alone two. The best BJ giver in the world is just going to get kicked in the face by two morons, or stabbed as he chokes a man with a knife on his belt.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >I don't fight: the post
          If you're attacked by multiple people, you're equally fricked regardless of what martial art you practice.
          If the attacker has a knife or god forbid a gun, you're equally fricked regardless of what martial art you practice.
          >99% of fights on the street are decided by the first clean punch
          I hope you enjoy getting suplexed

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >If you're attacked by multiple people, you're equally fricked regardless of what martial art you practice.
            >If the attacker has a knife or god forbid a gun, you're equally fricked regardless of what martial art you practice.
            These are the lies that BJ performers propagated to try to steer people away from boxing, yes.
            The vast majority of fights end when one or two clean punches land on a head. Ergo, if you're attacked by two people, and you punch one of them solidly in the face, you're now only fighting one person.
            If someone has a knife or makes for a weapon, and you drop them with one punch, that's the end of it.

            The ONLY people I have seen win these kinds of engagements are those with decent boxing skills. Exclusive grapplers are completely helpless in these circumstances so they cope by insisting winning is "impossible"

            >I hope you enjoy getting suplexed
            Black person dreaming of suplexes when he's asleep on the floor.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >if you're attacked by two people, and you punch one of them solidly in the face
              the other guy will be standing behind you, slamming you in the back of the head. That is why multiple attacker scenarios are unwinnable, because you're not fighting a tag team, but getting attacked from multiple angles that can not be defended simultaneously
              >and you drop them with one punch
              You seem to be ignoring the fact that people don't just stand idly until you finish your attack animation. Regardless of whether you "drop" him, you'll most likely have a knife sticking out of your gut

              >Black person dreaming of suplexes when he's asleep on the floor
              Black person dreaming of punching people while his legs are flailing in the air

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >the other guy will be standing behind you, slamming you in the back of the head.
                BJ giver literally CANNOT fathom a scenario where someone drops in a second, which is how most fights go.

                >You seem to be ignoring the fact that people don't just stand idly until you finish your attack animation.
                The boxer hits first, moron.

                >Black person dreaming of punching people while his legs are flailing in the air
                Your sad dreams vs my wholesome reality.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >my sport that never touches anything below the navel will make me perfectly capable of handling a bum-rush double-leg
              pure LARP

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                99% of street fights begin and end with a single blow to the face, Paco.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            This. moron thinks you can box 3 guys who are gonna surround you and knock you down as soon as they can. Gun or run, or even better stay aware and dont get jumped or boxed in. Sword fighting or kendo can be useful too as any stick or broom will frick someone up, but its almost always better to gtfo if you cant make space in a street fight. Im a manlet so if i cant move im fuuucked

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >moron thinks you can box 3 guys who are gonna surround you and knock you down as soon as they can
              False

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >2 on 3 where one of the three doesn't even join the fight
                You sure showed him!

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Boxing multiple people is pretty common, as far as fights go. Winning isn't as common. But I've seen dudes IRL and in videos use nothing but punches to survive multiple attackers.

              >i'm a manlet
              I know the perfect "Manlet Throw" designed for short people. Go find your tallest friend. have him slow punch you. Grab his wrist, forearm, or better yet the elbow, then go dead weight. Curl up into a ball and drop like a rock. Keep your feet under you so that when you land, all you are doing is squatting. That way you can stay on your feet.

              Try it.

              >what if we are the same height?

              Drop to your knees or sprawl out.

              >Sprawl?

              Look up Olympic wrestlers sprawling. If you do it that way, you can launch another manlet pretty far.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    conor got raped by dagestani, buck broken by dustin 2x times and got broken leg KWAB

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      manlet can crusher KWAB indeed

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Any sort of wrestling or grappling
    US folkstyle, freestyle, greco-roman, judo, BJJ, sambo, doesn't matter.
    It will get you fit and it will get you used to the stress of fighting and the risk of permanent injury (CTE, namely) is orders of magnitude lower than in sports like boxing or muay thai

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    BJJ in a REAL gym is pretty hardcore

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >hand to hand instead of using a dog
    some real never serveds in here hooah

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    do you incels really think you could defeat her?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Story?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      She can't even properly guillotine or take down a literal cripple, what an L

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Defeat? Id have already won

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Lol she couldnt even take down that drunk moron. 8/10 bait. Id breed her

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >level headed young men
    >posts picture of McGregor
    Didn't that snow hoovering paddy fly across the Atlantic to fight a bus with a posse of goons? With Dana keeping his good boy safe from getting booted out of the UFC?
    Sounds real level headed.

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >we
    I sincerely doubt you could teach anyone anything.

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I think it might be better for them to learn how to weight lift and take better care of themselves instead. While hth is a good cardio and includes martial arts, it would be as useful as being a blackbelt in karate or wrestling or some stupid shit you do through grade school. It sounds like a big money sink with a low success rate.
    I think learning form for lifting, dieting, and encouraging a healthy lifestyle would be better. That strength and routine will follow them for the rest of their lives. Then, they can choose what martial art they want to do when they get out of grade school, if they want to.

    %C3%A9

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Not breaking you hands, wrists, elbows and whatever is non-trivial and MMA with the gloves will give false impressions of what will and won't contribute to that end. Bare knuckle boxing and greco-roman wrestling ought to suffice.

  19. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I've met many people who do martial arts and are deep into the whole "big strong man man" thing. And they're all pussies. You tell them off for anything and they just immediately fold like a house of cards.
    Go on buddy, hit me in the face. What happens next?

  20. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There is no way to learn how to fight without risk of injury even if you somehow convince two 18 year olds to go light.

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