>.308 for bear defense?

>.308 for bear defense? What are you, a pussy? Some malnourished female eskimo midget took a world record grizzly with .22 long (not long rifle) in 1953 and you need a .308 for some sissy ass black bear? Man the fuck up.

  1. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    22‘s all you need, boy

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      It'll bounce around inside the body, it's why assassins use it all the time and why I carry a 22 as my bear gun whenever I'm fishing with my buddy

      • 6 days ago
        Anonymous

        >It'll bounce around inside the body, it's why assassins use it all the time
        Okay where did this come from? I remember hearing this as a kid 20 years ago, including the part about assassins using it

        • 6 days ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah I heard this from my fudd father. In the 90s.
          I'm betting some movie, but I haven't been able to find it.

        • 6 days ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah I heard this from my fudd father. In the 90s.
          I'm betting some movie, but I haven't been able to find it.

          I first read it in the retarded ass "zombie survival guide" from the early '00s, where they indicate which guns work best against zombies. It's full fudd-tier, the author says 5.56 won't work against zombies, that you need .308, and of course the fuddlore about the .22 also. It's almost kino nostalgia at this point.

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            *ahem*
            Ballpoint pen, that is all

        • 6 days ago
          Anonymous

          I honestly don't know who was the first to say the "bouncing around" lie but I'm certain the assassin bit dates to the Depression when wops and paddies were killing people with whatever cheap guns they could find including 22s. The bouncing bit may come from applying "knowledge" of ricochets to bones and thinking that they behave like concrete when shot

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/9TbjmX5.png

      Sounds like it was his fault for not having a high enough charisma skill to woo the bear.

      bearposting is some new meta. this flows in all directions. I cannot process it.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      They’ll go a mile

  2. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    It don't matter none. Aim here on a bear, you're killing them.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      No because anything short of 50 cal will bounce off harmlessly.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Why don't they make plates out of bear hide? Too difficult to work?

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >bear hide
          go be fucking retarded elsewhere

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      no the fuck you're not

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      when I look into the bear's eyes, all I can see is the sudden random violence of nature

    • 6 days ago
      Anonymous

      That's one of the thickest points of a bear's skull.

  3. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    fuck ya mudda

  4. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    bares aren't real

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      baste and barepilled

  5. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >Man the fuck up.
    Grandparents and uncle used to live in AK. Uncle was a cop, pretty high up in Anchorage PD.
    When I used to go visit as a kid during the summers, sometimes I'd get to read his case files he'd bring home from work while he was sleeping (only 4 hours of real night max during the summer sometimes so your cycle gets weird, I obvs. I didn't work as a 12 year old so I was awake at odd times).
    I've seen 8x10 color pictures of the aftermath when the bear is hungry. One poor guy might not have been dead before starting to eat. It ate his ass and thighs, and that's it. There were marks on his back where the claws were, but no punctures or trauma around the head, spine, or neck.

    From the file, the theory was that he died from blood loss, and that the bear just pushed him to the ground, held him there with a front paw in the middle of his back, and just started tearing into his ass and thighs, eating him alive. It probably wasn't very quick.
    If I lived in bear country I'd say a 308 wouldn't be a bad idea.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Damn. Don't even know what to say.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        The pictures have haunted me for a long time. Just a human body with everything still attached and present, clothed from the chest up, stripped down to the bone between the waist and knees.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          that's good meat bear knew what it was doing

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          alaska twink comere Uwu

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      There's an audio recording of a guy being eaten alive for 30 minutes straight.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        got a link?

        • 6 days ago
          Anonymous

          It was some retard and his girlfriend living in bear country Alaska, he slept in their cave and they woke up and ate him

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous
    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Sounds like it was his fault for not having a high enough charisma skill to woo the bear.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        sounds like he got the rimjob of a lifetime though

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >It ate his ass
      So? I had a bear eat my ass last weekend and was totally fine.He even paid my cab fare afterwards.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous
        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Well they are subhumans what can you expect?

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Well, they are entirely funded by Globohomo...

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            >Globohomo's army full of gays ans trans.
            >Globohomo exterminates gays.
            Which one is it anon

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Bear attacks are just gruesome.
      Bears are often probably way too hungry to kill the pray so people just suffer through it until they die or survive miraculously.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Bears aren’t starving they are just bad at killing. They’re awkward

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          They are not bad at killing they just don't care to snap your neck like most predators. Because they don't need to. There is literally nothing that is going to be strong enough push a mature bear off to escape. The number of animals capable of inflicting serious injuries to a bear in a scuffle are very low. You're basically a free meal + play toy for the bear.

          Also to the retards (obvious bait, fuck ya muddah) who are talking about the bitch who killed a grizzly with a .22, she shot it about 100 times and it was asleep when she did it. The first shot disoriented the bear and after that she just had to keep peppering it point blank. You're not going to do that with a fully conscious bear.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Thats not at all what happened, it was awake and went down in the first shot. She just kept shooting it to be sure, but it did in fact pile up with the very first .22L

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              she shot it through the ear when it was eating her garbage. good luck pulling that out of the bag.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >There is literally nothing that is going to be strong enough push a mature bear off to escape.
            hmm
            >A grizzly will usually avoid a wolverine. Wolverines are pound for pound one of the baddest bad asses in the animal kingdom. The honey badger and the fisher cat though smaller than a wolverine. Are the two next vicious animals.

            >A wolverine has been known to kill a polar bear. Which is bigger and meaner than a grizzly. I imagine it's a rare rare occurrence but it has happened.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              >wolverines kill polar bears
              I found a source saying that happened in a zoo

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              Wolverines, honey badgers and other non-apex predators are typically meaner than apex predators, especially when startled, precisely because they are weaker and more vulnerable.

              Because they are predated upon by other creatures, they tend to avoid fighting unless something sneaks up on them, at which point they will attack with the fury of an animal backed into a corner, because they think they are. They usually lose fights with higher predators, the cases where they succeed are more noticeable though, which is where they get their "vicious" reputation from.

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            moron the bears skull was preserved and every shot went straight Fucking through the skull.

            • 6 days ago
              Anonymous

              22 will go through a cow skull - no reason to think a bear has that much thicker of a dome

              • 6 days ago
                Anonymous

                bear skull's sloped armor might catch the round with volumetrics

              • 6 days ago
                Anonymous

                Adult brown bear is about 1.5" at the thickest spot.
                Anything with 7.62x39 or higher energy should go right through, unless it deflects on the brow

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Bears aren’t starving they are just bad at killing. They’re awkward

        grizzly bears just prefer to eat you while alive. they'll go for limbs first to keep you alive as long as possible. unless you startle or scare them, then they'll just lash out violently.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >goes for your legs
          >stab it in the neck
          This is why tigers/leopards are way more dangerous. They'll immediately try to go for your head/neck.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        the whole thing about
        >predators kill their prey fast so they don't get hurt
        is complete horseshit. wishful thinking from misanthropic vegans who want to believe that humans are somehow uniquely cruel.

        Whether it's lions, housecats, monitors, crocodiles, baboons, bears, crows, or just about any other predator you can think of, they eat their prey alive. There are innumerable wildlife videos proving this.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >any other predator you can think of, they eat their prey alive
          I've never seen or heard of a tiger eating its prey alive. They always go for the neck. Yet again, what creature on this planet could possibly withstan 600 lbs of pure bloodthirsty muscle? Not to mention the claws on those things. I've also seen lionesses go for the neck on buffaloes. They don't do it because of compassion or some gay reddit virtues, but because killing an animal of that size quickly and efficiently is key to their survival. Why deplete your valuable energy resources or potentially risk getting mortally wounded when you can ACK your prey? As for crows and housecats, people don't care about small shit and vermin suffering.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            depends on the animal. Cats go for the neck because they can’t win prolonged struggles against most of their natural prey. Still, that neck shot doesn’t necessarily mean the prey is killed outright. It’s more to paralyze their prey than to just kill outright. The animal doesn’t actually give a fuck about its prey and cats will toy with small animals until they die, even if they have no intention of eating them

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            >As for crows and housecats, people don't care about small shit and vermin suffering.
            Ravens actually kill lambs by picking out their eyes

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >It ate his ass and thighs, and that's it.
      gay bear only eats man ass lmao

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >It ate his ass
      I knew bears were gay

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      Wow! What gun did he shoot the bear with?
      Oh, none?
      Wow.

      • 6 days ago
        Anonymous

        I think the point was you should try to get the biggest thing you can, it's not "unmannly" to want a 308 in that situation because the alternative could be being eaten alive.
        Retard.

  6. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Memes aside 9mm works just as well as 10mm for bear defense.

    • 6 days ago
      Anonymous

      .44 magnum has never been confirmed to fail against a bear. That being said, .308 probably hasn't either.

      • 6 days ago
        Anonymous

        I don't think any rifle has, I know they even stopped a polar bear with a 5.56 AR.

      • 6 days ago
        Anonymous

        When has 9mm failed? Hell from what I've read there's only been one or two cases of .357 failing.

      • 6 days ago
        Anonymous

        >.44 magnum
        Out of a revolver or a lever action?

        • 6 days ago
          Anonymous

          Revolver.
          He's citing an article that only looked st handgun uses.

  7. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >What are you, a pussy?

    bring a fat friend with you

  8. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I've heard that residents of Svalbard are all required to own a rifle and keep their doors unlocked at all times, in case of polar bear attacks. Those fuckers are brutal.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >require people to have firearm
      >still have retarded bureaocracy for obtaining firearm
      Peak norway

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        Did you even read it? Carrying a firearm is recommended. Not required.

        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous

          They want at least a blank firing gun for wich you still need a permission of 4 weeks
          t. Went to Svalbard

        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous

          Also, "suitable means" is just political jargon as they can't legally force you to have something for wich you need a non shall issue permission. Who actually calls te shots for that interpretation of the law is the local police and fauna authorities who in certain periods of intense polar bear activities have refused tourists permission to travel outside Svalbard without a gun that was either loaned to them with the proper license or accompanied by a licensee.

  9. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    you eat it or let it rot ?

  10. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Reminder that gallows humor is often coping mechanism

  11. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    da bears

  12. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    never relax

  13. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    There are many in our society who believe the life of an animal has equal or greater value than that of a human. I disagree. A bear is a wild animal, that when not threatening human life, is a wonderful sight. However, when I encounter bears that act aggressively by popping their teeth, woofing, swinging their head from side to side, charging, etc. I shoot them. I do not give them a prolonged chance to kill my wife, children, myself or any one that is with me. When I encounter bears (which I do several times per year) that run at my sight or smell, they are safe from me because I know I am safe from them. When they show aggression to humans, it is irresponsible to let them live as they will eventually permanently harm or kill someone. I don’t care that our governmental wild life agencies are protecting bears. They are generally misguided in this tactic. The notion that bears are a spiritual, magical life form that has value over human life, is a point of view that not only comes from the typical tree hugger groups/mindset, but it is coming from various fish and game agencies, more and more often. I choose to protect human life over animal life, period. The notion that bears were here before us and therefore have rights to maul us, is not only untrue, but even if it was true, I am here NOW and assert my right to be so.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      stop eating eagles because they cawed at you

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      you sir are based and doing the Lord's work.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      King

  14. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I don’t understand the people who keep coming here insisting that you’re fine with some bullshit cartridge or handgun for grizzly bear defense. Can they just not be assed to buy a full size rifle or is it some antisocial need to give shitty advice?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      They probably skip leg day so the weight of a proper rifle + hiking gear is too much for their underdeveloped knees

      4pg2op

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      they probably want you to hurt yourself

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Bow hunters are the cyclists of the hunting world. It's the 21st Century. Grow the fuck up.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          thats right, a real man uses a spear

        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous

          Eh, at least cycling gives you some cardio and saves gas money. Bow hunting just makes you act like Fagolas of the Boomer Realm, larping through the trees in search of woodland critters to fuck up killing quick.

        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous

          More like bow hunters are the bow hunters if the 17th century.
          Bow hunting literally died until a bunch of anti-gun bitches revived it in the 1950s

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Did he die?

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >'I am so happy after this confrontation with a black bear during our spring hunt,' Wesley wrote in a caption with the video.

          >'No wounds except a bruised elbow and ego where the bear threw me down.

          >'Genuinely happy that this was a non fatal or tragic outcome. Proving that the black bear is a wild and unpredictable animal. Again so happy with the outcome.'

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Shame. Bow hunters need to be mauled more often.

        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous

          Yes, the bear got the video and uploaded it

        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous

          We can only hope, that way we will never have to hear him utter another
          >I'm a hunter BUT

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >goes hunting with a bow and arrow
        >doesn't even bring a knife with him
        I don't understand?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      I hike, ride horses, hunt and fish in grizzly country. When relying on a handgun, I carry a 500 Linebaugh or 475 Linebaugh with heavy hard cast, flat nosed bullets. It hammers grizzlies. Such a revolver weighs no more than a standard Ruger Black Hawk, but has the killing power of a moderately powerful rifle cartridge. I find the big heavy X frame revolvers (500 S&W and 460 S&W) too heavy for hiking in steep country all day, but they do possess incredible power. However, if I am going to carry a handgun that weighs 5+ pounds, I’d just as soon carry a 6 pound rifle chambered in 45-70 that has a longer sight radius, more power and is shoulder mounted.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >500 Linebaugh
        >1,300 fps
        >1600 ft lbs
        REALLY unimpressive and nowhere near the power of "moderately powerful rifle cartridge", assuming we're talking about full power rifle cartridges like .308 and not intermediate ones like .223. Especially when it's in a hard to shoot wrist buster fudd canon 5 shooter. A 14" AR-15 would be the infinitely better choice.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Having killed dozens of bear and guided hunters for dozens more, I have firsthand knowledge. Additionally, I have been hanging around bear guides all my adult life and between us, we’ve seen over a thousand bears killed. We have come to some consensus on the best tools and methods of killing bears with guns.
          If I carry a rifle in grizzly country, which I do often, I carry a lever action 45-70 for summer horse pack trips, hikes and fishing excursions. I carry a revolver chambered in 500 Linebaugh too, along with the rifle. The handgun stays on my person in a shoulder holster and the rifle stays on the horse or in camp, unless I am feeling the need to have it in my hands, which does and has happened and has kept me from being injured/killed more than once. I have used both revolvers and rifles on bears, several times.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Post some bears then, boomer.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              >boomer.
              you must go back.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >can't actually post any
                The absolute state of fudd forum fever dreams.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                i'm a different anon you absolute fucking retard. you really need to go back.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Sure thing, fudd.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                i don't even type the same. the absolute state.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                https://i.imgur.com/7zeApjb.jpg

                i don't even type the same. the absolute state.

                shit moron, you got gaped. pic also related.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Your mother got gaped, moronchud

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Field Proven pistol and handgun ammo. Maximum firepower ammo. Best ammunition for pistols and handguns for sale. Buffalo Bore. Strictly big bore. Strictly Business.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Ur mom’s got a big bore

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                something something time to go back.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous
              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                i don't even type the same. the absolute state.

                [...]
                [...]
                shit moron, you got gaped. pic also related.

                https://i.imgur.com/Ioo6YLC.png

                something something time to go back.

                Kek, the absolute state of samefagging fudd forum LARPers. Isn't it time for your meds, gramps?

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            I don’t think there are many bears in my locale but if I ever go innawoods I will justify the latest build. .

            My friend in CO does the same, well he has some other huge wheel gun.

            I would have no problem defending myself against a black bear attack (and have done so) with the proper 9MM ammo. I prefer a more powerful/bigger cartridge, but the 9MM will get it done, even on grizzlies, if you take their brain with a flat nosed, non-expanding bullet. Of course, making a brain shot under such duress, will take practice and cool nerves.

            There was a recent (brown?) bear home invasion and the homeowner killed it with a 9mm.

  15. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Could kill a grizzly with a rock but I’ll go ahead and let try it first.

  16. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Question
    Would napalm buckshot shells be good for bear defense

  17. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Would magdumping 5,56mm work reliably enough?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Assuming you get a penetrating hit in a vital region, why not? It's not like they're invincible.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      I would have no problem defending myself against a black bear attack (and have done so) with the proper 9MM ammo. I prefer a more powerful/bigger cartridge, but the 9MM will get it done, even on grizzlies, if you take their brain with a flat nosed, non-expanding bullet. Of course, making a brain shot under such duress, will take practice and cool nerves.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      easily same power range as 454 casull

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      Was always my plan

  18. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    bears are fuzzy sweet animals and you don't need guns for them

  19. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I'm no hunter but I'd feel really unsafe in grizzly country with anything less than .45-70. those claws will disembowel you with one fucking slap

    ?t=20

  20. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Why do people even argue against using larger calibers for bear they got a lot more blood, bigger vitals, have big bones in front of those vitals, and might be more retardedly determined than a crackhead with a knife. I'm not sure how I'd comfortable carry a .44 down my pants leg in the wilderness but if the threat of a bear is serious enough to consider then it should be considered seriously.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Because anons are fucking retarded. Have you not seen people saying that you don’t need anything more than 308 for African big 5?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      cause muh 14" AR in .223 that i spent 5 grand on can do anything, the internet people told me so and i don't want to admit that while it's a very handy gun with a lot of things going for it, it's not ideal for every situation, and i'll deny that animals pose any threat to me with this marvel of modern(ish) technology because i'm not willing to admit that i need to get something more powerful to deal with threats outside the design parameters of my gun.

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        The weird thing to me is those people could just swap in a 10/12" 458 socom upper and have something legitimately useful for a bear defense purpose.

        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous

          For black bear 5.56 is fine.

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        Let’s see, a .223 has about the same amount of ft lbs as a .44 mag, but 30 rounds of it won’t shred a bear while 2 rounds of .44 mag will? Makes sense, moron. And then there’s still super handy 16“ or 18“ .308 AR-10’s, who’ll completely take any bear whether brown or black to pound town. I genuinely wonder if fudds like you were dropped on the head when they were little. Or maybe you were chipping off lead paint from your balcony and eating it or some shit.

  21. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    hey I made that image
    nice

  22. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    Usually Bella twin using a .22 long is used an extreme example towards retards who even think .308 is too small.

  23. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    I'd rather kill it right now than 3 days after it was shot.

  24. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    >eskimos in arizona
    It's more likely than you think?

  25. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    Eu tourist here. Will go to the US soon and hike in bear country. A friend is loaning me his beretta 1301 tac. Am I good for bears if I load it with magnum 00 buck?

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      Black Magic slugs.
      Make sure it can reliably cycle whatever you end up getting

    • 6 days ago
      Anonymous

      Black Magic slugs.
      Make sure it can reliably cycle whatever you end up getting

      Normal foster slugs.
      Black magic slugs have massive recoil, and aren't water proof.
      10z foster slugs have been killing bear for a century

      • 6 days ago
        Anonymous

        >10z foster slugs
        I didn't know they made foster slugs for the 30x173mm GAU-8.

  26. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    https://www.ammoland.com/2021/06/handgun-or-pistol-against-bear-attacks-104-cases-97-effective/

  27. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    I've gone hiking with my G3 a few times and people stare and say "omg he has a gun"

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