2nd best Military Indudstiral Complex

Now that Russia has been exposed as a joke, which nation has the best military manufacturing excluding America?
South Korea and Israel come to mind. And perhaps France.

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    'Europe'

    Singling out a single country is impossible because all parts are linked. A turbine from Rolls Royce can be made out of 80% German parts, put together in France. Optics from France uses lenses from Germany that they produce in the Czech Republic to make British range finders.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      /thread

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      and for this reason, the 2nd best is STILL Russia, because they do practically everything in-house and aren't dependent on 50 different countries to manufacture their military hardware.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Russias is on par with Iran.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Less dependency suddenly make you yhe best industry?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They use European stuff in their top-tier arms, they can't even build modern tanks anymore without good optics etc. They have't done anything good since the Soviet Union collapsed and all their intelligent people and slave-republics bailed to the West the first chance they got.

        They are reduced to building WW 2 tier equipment. Which matches well with their WW 2 tactics and mindset.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          source?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >They are reduced to building WW 2 tier equipment. Which matches well with their WW 2 tactics and mindset.

          Kadyrovites on the west bank of the Dniepr are ordered to shoot and kill and orc trying to flee from Kherson.

          Putler sure restored the soviet union kek

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      /thread

      Such an argument is redundant as parts never make the whole thing anyway. Putting together the parts is the real deal.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      /thread

      This is stupid. UK, Germany, France etc. all sell their components to non-European companies as much as they do within Europe.

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The BAE/MBDA complex, probably
    >ASRAAM, MICA, Meteor
    >CAMM, Aster, Seawolf
    >Storm Shadow, Exocet, Brimstone
    >Milan, MMP
    >ASMP, Dreadnought
    >Typhoon
    >Type 26, Astute, QE
    >Challenge, Warrior, SA80
    >M109, Archer, M777
    Fuck they're scary
    it's a one-stop army shop

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Europe for quality China for quantity

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Lol europe for quality is laughable

      In terms of quality its South Korea and maybe the US, that is why most of the SK military equipment sells for more than the US which sells for more than Europe, European weapons are usually cheap from a cost perspective, its considered discount weapons

      That said, the UK, France and Germany have very advanced components that the US and South Korea use in their weapons systems

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Sadly its probably China, China is what the world used to think what Russia was, a large military industrial complex across all military related areas but with quality and technology lagging behind the advanced economies.

    In Europe France is probably the most capable but they have historically been a notch below the US or even the Germans in terms of technology and why their stuff is only bought by third world nations that are restricted or unable to buy US equipment.

    SK is a relatively new entrant in the large scale military industrial complex business but they have proven that whatever they produce is usually the most advanced technology + quality build at a higher level than even the US in addition to production capabilities on a wartime footing scale even during peacetime.

    Germany could be world class but there does not appear to be a national desire to be a military power despite announcing plans to increase their defense budget to $100 billion.

    Japan has the potential but they are massively restricted by the US and are at this point several decades behind with no real infrastructure for a proper military industrial complex.

    Russia is declining rapidly and other than possessing nukes will end up no different from an Iran within a decade.

    Israel is good in selected areas and technologies like really good but they simply don't have the scale to compete for mic supremacy, even their merkava which is probably the largest weapons systems they produce is barely a top 10 mbt today

    Today its: US >>>>> China >>> SK > France > Germany > UK > Russia > Japan > Italy > Israel > Turkey > Sweden > Spain > India > Pakistan

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Could you explain why you ranked Spain above India?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Spain does not have a real military industrial complex but they have partnered with many European countries on major weapons systems so by default have both knowledge and capabilities that are in excess of India, India is very behind from a technology perspective and the quality of their production is way behind as well

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          NTA, but the Spanish have Navantia, whereas India can barely build an assault rifle without fucking up

          it ain't much but it's something

          [...]
          get thee behind me Satan
          nearly everything you wrote is wrong

          Interesting, thanks. I knew Spain sometimes sells vehicles and that's it.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        NTA, but the Spanish have Navantia, whereas India can barely build an assault rifle without fucking up

        it ain't much but it's something

        Lol europe for quality is laughable

        In terms of quality its South Korea and maybe the US, that is why most of the SK military equipment sells for more than the US which sells for more than Europe, European weapons are usually cheap from a cost perspective, its considered discount weapons

        That said, the UK, France and Germany have very advanced components that the US and South Korea use in their weapons systems

        get thee behind me Satan
        nearly everything you wrote is wrong

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Every weapons system that Europe makes is cheap as shit compared to US and many of SK equipment, examples

          Main battle tanks: the K2 costs $9 million per unit, the M1A2 costs $8 million per unit, the Leopard 2 costs $6 million per unit, the Challenger costs $5 million per unit, the Leclerc costs $4 million per unit

          Assault rifles: the daewoo K2 is $800 per unit, the M4 is $700 per unit, the hk416 is $450 per unit

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            where on earth did you get such laughable pricelists from
            >Leopard 2
            which model and in what year, retard
            >Challenger
            5 million?! get fucked; the Brits are spending 5 million POUNDS just to upgrade their existing tank fleet never mind build new ones
            >Leclerc
            $4 million was probably the cost to upgrade the fucking things, they cost about twice that in the 90s, not counting said upgrade

            everybody knows that the main problem with the European defence industry is high cost especially per unit because the US has massive fucking economies of scale; and that SK is becoming the Western world's cheapshit weapon supplier selling last-gen weapons for cheaper than the West can make them

            that is why more nations are buying US weapons (PGMs, artillery, Abrams, F-35) and SK weapons (artillery, IFVs, FA-50, even ships) instead of existing European weapons or developing new European projects

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Dumbass gay lol the whole world considers european weapons cheap as shit, its not the 1980s anymore and why only third world shitholes that can't afford US or SK equipment by europoor weapons

              Even first world european countries next door to places like Germany, UK and France won't touch european "advanced" weapons anymore and are all lining up for US and SK equipment

              The Leopard 2A7 is about $10 million per unit but there are around 30 in the world that are actually operating, its like the US or SK claiming some of their nextgen mbts can be sold for $20+ million because they probably have more operational in development than the amount of 2A7s

              The Challenger 3 just transacted for $8 million per unit but there are only 148 lol, a proper tank army is 1000+ minimum, the Challenger 2 may as well be a pickup truck with reinforced armor by today's standards

              The leclerc is more difficult to gauge market price because nobody buys this piece of shit, but the French army paid about $4 million per unit and its used by the Yemenis in the Yemen war and they paid even less than that, literally only 860 units in its entire history

              In modern mbt tank warfare a nation has to be able to produce 3000+ tanks a year at full capacity to be effective, today only three countries can do that: the US, China and SK, and the China tanks are almost as bad as the leclercs, the SK tanks are the most expensive but can pump out thousands every year without breaking a sweat

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >upgrades = buying new
                Stay in school

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                * Used by UAE in Yemen against the Yemeni, the UAE paid $4 million per unit and the Yemeni are taking out the Leclercs with rifle fire targeting the optical systems lol

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                t. Seething moron

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                > When delusional frenchie completely owned by France getting mogged by SK so utterly speechless that unhinged rants about muh fellow faggyfagfag frenchies got nothing else to say except claim others are seething just because this frog is lmao rent free

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >european weapons cheap as shit
                >FA-50, 60 mil
                >Typhoon, 100mil
                get a load of this chigger

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                > The FA-50 designed as a trainer but has among the best real world track records in combat situations being compared with the Typhoon a 4.5 gen fighter is when you know the FA-50 is good or the Typhoon is overrated or both

                Most of the countries using the Typhoon are clamoring to buy the F35

                The best in the industry is the F35 followed by the KF21, the KF21 block 1 (4.5 gen, 2026, $75 million), block 2 with iwb (5.0 gen, 2028, $100 million) and block 3 with integrated AI + laser gun (6.0 gen, 2035, $250+ million)

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >being compared with the Typhoon a 4.5 gen fighter is when you know
                the country doesn't have jack shit else besides vapourware
                >hurr durr laser gun 250 million
                RTS-tier price lists lmao

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Lmao best main battle tank, mobile artillery, infantry fighting vehicle, mlrs, assault rifle the list goes on, most expensive in the world for each of these also

                SK new entrant in aerospace but in a few years already have a 4.5 gen jet fighter, they development timetable has them at 5 gen and gen within a few years and SK always exceeds timetable development, meanwhile euro always delays and won't have a proper 5 gen fighter until 2050+ lololol gay go back to sucking nafri cock while you got trains of black cock unloading up your loose euro asshole, the kanake gangs are busy sex slaving your women by the millions lmao

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                In all seriousness western europe was pretty badass from the 1960s and before completely mogging north africa and the middle east, but everybody kind of laughs in their head everytime they meet a euro today knowing how badly they are cucked and having their former colonies colonizing them on their home soil even worse with absolutely no response from the eurocucks, this is the true reason why nobody takes anything that western europeans do in terms of combat seriously anymore, turkey is even way ahead from a real world perspective

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >most expensive in the world for each of these also
                >the whole world considers european weapons cheap as shit
                pick, schizo chigger

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There are only 430 Leclercs in operations today, France has 200, the UAE has 350, and Jordan has 80 which they got for free from UAE lol, nobody buys this piece of shit

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The distance between first and second is so vast that it's not a useful description.

    It's more like "1st, 40 empty spaces, then everyone else"

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    china

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