This.
Baltics sometimes use these old aoviet helis for rescue or training, but they'll be infinitely more useful in Ukraine
I'm not Eastern European/Baltic but I have to imagine this is like the best time of their lives right now. They get to see their former oppressors get btfo in 4k with minimal effort.
True to a degree, but on the other hand, we're also seeing houses that look just like ours be destroyed in HD footage and seeing people somewhar similar to us being blown to smithereens and raped en masse. Every time I hear fireworks, my heart rate rises slightly.
As for Russians being btfo, they're not being btfo decisively and West Euros still don't seem to be taking this seriously.
I'm not Eastern European/Baltic but I have to imagine this is like the best time of their lives right now. They get to see their former oppressors get btfo in 4k with minimal effort.
https://i.imgur.com/DJTqw4E.jpg
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This is actually the plan. We don't really have much of a need for them since we're gonna modernize really soon anyway + new military factories are being planned & built in next 5ish years for the vehicles and weapons we would mainly use.
Plus watching ziggies get fricked in the ass like they deserve to after all the posturing and "hurr stronk" is priceless.
t. Latvian with close contacts to military
Centuries of russian foreign politics coming to bite the russian bastards in the ass lmao.
I'm not Eastern European/Baltic but I have to imagine this is like the best time of their lives right now. They get to see their former oppressors get btfo in 4k with minimal effort.
Whilst getting rid of most of their Soviet era scrap so they can fully westernize their defense sector.
This is actually the plan. We don't really have much of a need for them since we're gonna modernize really soon anyway + new military factories are being planned & built in next 5ish years for the vehicles and weapons we would mainly use.
Plus watching ziggies get fricked in the ass like they deserve to after all the posturing and "hurr stronk" is priceless.
t. Latvian with close contacts to military
Depends how old you are. The industry is only now getting its budget allocated and plans getting finalized so factories would only begin getting their foundations constructed next year'ish and take around 2-3 to be finished. I also heard few rumors that they are looking up & inspecting the existing steel/metal factories, that had their income slashed due to losing russian market, as potential customers to be retooled in much faster pace than building from the ground up.
But for now you might wanna look into some electronics & communications manufacturers while the other stuff gets developed. Like the Edge Autonomy UAV factory we got near Riga or the projects LMT with partners is developing for Opsec & Cyber.
Outside of that, there is a constant need of new housing, barracks & other related stuff for recruits due to the new conscription laws. But I haven't really bothered looking into if they need civilian contractors in that sector.
I know you're just a common pleb, but come on, there's not excuse for this level of ignorance >minimal effort
you're projecting American imperial perspective onto nations that foot the bill
there's a war just beyond the border, there's 2 million Ukrainians that moved to my country, this war guarantees tensions in the region for a decade+, the cost of buying cuckboxes off the shelf (technology transfers are a story you tell the plebs so they keep quiet) and costs related to commodity prices will increase our indebtedness dramatically European economy without commodities from russia will be strained for very long time, inflation high, and Europe is more likely to be pulled into a confrontation with China now
it's all a disaster and not even the most bloodthristy people I know would consider Russia taking significant losses is a worthy consolation, that's why the popular support for us making any intervention is approximately 0%
Are you moronic? It's very minimal effort compared to being the flashpoint of the eastern front with orc shits running around raping and murdering and stealing toilets.
>be peaceful with Russia >Russia hacks you >Russia assassinates people in your country >Russia says it will nuke you at the first possibility >Russia invades your neighbour >Russia says you're next >Russia invades you
I would gladly kill you
Finland has plenty of experience on "russian diplomacy" in its "soft" form and the MINUTE we had the chance to join NATO, we did.
The president said about russian diplomacy: >the cossack takes anything that's not bolted onto something
...meaning they have no neutral status, they either fear you or dislike you. Nothing in between, just those two, and western people should ALWAYS choose punishing them for their existence, just to keep them down as a nation 🙂
you're a powerless pleb raging at your screen, somehow I'm not scared
russia is just an empire, no better or worse than mutts
peace in the region was a possibility, despite russian stupidity and mutt meddling
https://i.imgur.com/6zQdDYg.jpg
>I would gladly kill you
Can I join?
Finland has plenty of experience on "russian diplomacy" in its "soft" form and the MINUTE we had the chance to join NATO, we did.
The president said about russian diplomacy: >the cossack takes anything that's not bolted onto something
...meaning they have no neutral status, they either fear you or dislike you. Nothing in between, just those two, and western people should ALWAYS choose punishing them for their existence, just to keep them down as a nation 🙂
ok, just try to remember that posturing on PrepHole is not impressive, and the interests of mutt empire and those of your nation are not quite the same
10 months ago
Anonymous
>peace in the region was a possibility
How?
10 months ago
Anonymous
depends on time horizon
10 months ago
Anonymous
By giving Russia everything it can dream of and more.
10 months ago
Anonymous
By nuking Moscow.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Should've listened to patton.
10 months ago
Anonymous
remove russians
10 months ago
Anonymous
>russia is just an empire, no better or worse than mutts
Show me the SMO against Canada.
10 months ago
Anonymous
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_1812 >Even major figures such as Henry Clay and James Monroe expected to keep at least Upper Canada in an easy conquest. Notable American generals such as William Hull issued proclamations to Canadians during the war promising republican liberation through incorporation into the United States. General Alexander Smyth similarly declared to his troops when they invaded Canada that "you will enter a country that is to become one of the United States. You will arrive among a people who are to become your fellow-citizens". >All these groups assumed American troops would be greeted as liberators, guaranteeing an easy conquest. Thomas Jefferson believed taking "...Canada this year, as far as...Quebec, will be a mere matter of marching, and will give us the experience for the attack on Halifax, the next and final expulsion of England from the American continent". >Absence of local backing prevented American forces from establishing a foothold in the area, and of ten attempts to invade Upper Canada between 1812 and 1814, the vast majority ended in failure.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>You're a powerless pleb
I dunno man I get lots of videos of russians dying so i'm getting what I want. You seem to be the powerless one complaining about your government giving freebies to Ukraine. Maybe you should do something about it instead of b***hing online
Lmao you stupid newbie morons are unreal, go back to street shittery
This is far better than 08, and that was all for nothing, no shitskin and vatnik blood to justify it then
Frick you
The best thing isnt even seeing Russians getting btfod but the fact that Baltics and Poland have told NATO and EU all this time that threat to NATO will come only from Russia and Krauts still bullied everyone to sign off on Nord Stream 2 giving Russian warships rights to patrol Estonian EZZ border zone
Ukraine doesn't want the A-10 Anon, but they weirdly expressed interest in the A-29N.
Ukraine >In August 2019, a Ukrainian military delegation visited Embraer's military division in São Paulo and flew the Super Tucano.[147] In October 2019, the President of Ukraine, Volodymyr Zelensky, in a meeting with Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro, informed that his country will buy the Super Tucano.[148] In December 2022, the Brazilian media reported a Ukrainian interest in the Super Tucano, to equip its air force for the Russo-Ukrainian War; however, the sale was blocked by the Bolsonaro administration.[149] A diplomatic effort by the United States to persuade the president-elect of Brazil, Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, to unblock the deal has been reported.[149]
The Warthog is so shit Ulraine literally turned down the offer to get some at the start of the invvasion.
https://i.imgur.com/SCt8oyo.jpg
Ukraine doesn't want the A-10 Anon, but they weirdly expressed interest in the A-29N.
Ukraine >In August 2019, a Ukrainian military delegation visited Embraer's military division in São Paulo and flew the Super Tucano.[147] In October 2019, the President of Ukraine, Volodymyr Zelensky, in a meeting with Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro, informed that his country will buy the Super Tucano.[148] In December 2022, the Brazilian media reported a Ukrainian interest in the Super Tucano, to equip its air force for the Russo-Ukrainian War; however, the sale was blocked by the Bolsonaro administration.[149] A diplomatic effort by the United States to persuade the president-elect of Brazil, Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, to unblock the deal has been reported.[149]
source?
They did ask the U.S. for 100 A-10s and we refused
We already gave them most of our Mi's, there's like maybe 2 left.
Unless our PM decided to say frick it and hand over the Black Hawk's as well.
Might as well give them the Mig-29's in our aviation museum as well, maybe there's still some parts salvageable.
I don't understand why the vatBlack person homosexuals going on about european militaries "depleting their stocks".
Why do they think that those countries stock up in the first place? Who do they think could possibly attack them?
It's not like germany needs to have a shitload of shells ready incase they get invaded by france, it's always been to fight russia.
And if our weapons can blow up russians before they even get here that's just even better
It'll take some time to replenish said european stocks, because in the post Cold War era everyone (even the US, although to a far smaller degree than most EU nations) took Fukayama's words a bit too literally and assumed that there would never again be a real threat to liberal democracy and significantly lowered defense spending, closed down factories, etc.
Although if you take a look at countries like Poland, buying a ton of shit in the short term from the US and SK is a good way to re-militarize quickly and not too expensively. Maybe the others will follow suit; Lithuania spent a lot on HIMARS.
but nobody really needs to replenish those stocks, especially the us. Most of these donations are of old stock that are harder to maintain, or are simply costing taxp[ayers money languishing in a hanger.
By fielding them to Ukraine it's a net benefit to everybody who isn't a 2nd or 3rd world nation who needs those things to have a functioning airforce/navy/military/etc.
France isn't going to invade though. Nobody is. It just isn't financially viable to do it. Europe was the most peaceful it had been for centuries with only the odd minor conflict until the Ukraine War.
>Europe was the most peaceful it had been for centuries until it wasn't anymore
Exactly. >It just isn't financially viable to do it.
War is extremely profitable.
>War is extremely profitable.
Not if you are bombing your own factories. A war between EU members would be as damaging as a civil war given how interconnected they are.
>It's not like germany needs to have a shitload of shells ready incase they get invaded by france
I see you never heard about european history.
>suddenly all the Euros are going to start declaring war on each because... THEY JUST WILL OK
I love this cope.
The closest two Euro nations have come to actual war in the last 80 years is the Cod Wars, when Iceland and the UK got into a slapfight over fishing grounds and drove their ships into each other because nobody wanted to be the guy who shot first.
If you win, sure. Why waste the effort in Europe when there are far easier targets in Africa, with still untapped mineral wealth. It is america and it's stranglehold over Europe which has tapered European aggression and ambition. Europe will not grow a spine as long as america is still standing.
>War is extremely profitable.
Not if you are bombing your own factories. A war between EU members would be as damaging as a civil war given how interconnected they are.
https://i.imgur.com/0fvvx0V.jpg
[...] >suddenly all the Euros are going to start declaring war on each because... THEY JUST WILL OK
I love this cope.
The closest two Euro nations have come to actual war in the last 80 years is the Cod Wars, when Iceland and the UK got into a slapfight over fishing grounds and drove their ships into each other because nobody wanted to be the guy who shot first.
You're taking current political stances as unmovable facts. This isn't how it always was and this won't be how it's always going to be. Strong bonds and alliances have always existed, periods of peace and prosperity have always existed, strong empires that keep the world in a forced state of peace have always existed. And yet history still turned out how it always did.
Royalty back then married into each others families and yet they still eventually turned against each other. The EU, the western alliances, none of that infallible.
11 months ago
Anonymous
1. Democracies don't declare war on each other
2.Shit doesn't suddenly just happen. Once Euros perceive their neighbours might be eyeing up their land they'll arm up again very quickly. It's not like a new Hitler can arise overnight and be like "We're invading France TOMORROW MUAHAHAHA!"
Hell, even the real Hitler needed like 2 decades to both set the preconditions for his rise and ready the country. And he was coming from a much less stable place in an era that still had significant numbers of people who embraced the concept of wars of aggression.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>1. Democracies don't declare war on each other
That's an empty statement >2.
I didn't say anything is going to happen overnight.
Germanies population never embraced a war of aggression. Hitler never declared it one. Hitler's speech to go to war was about the continued aggression and harrassment from polish soldiers at the border.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Germanies population never embraced a war of aggression. Hitler never declared it one. Hitler's speech to go to war was about the continued aggression and harrassment from polish soldiers at the border.
A fig leaf more for foreign consumption than anything else. Every single German knew it was a war for land. Hitler explicitly stated so in Mein Kampf with the concept of lebensraum
>That's an empty statement
It's really not. It's a statement that assumes a degree of knowledge about how democracies work and the systems they have in place.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Every single German knew it was a war for land
Damn, you're omniscient it seems. >the systems they have in place.
That can be changed from one day to the next depending on who is ruling at the moment and what tickles his fancy at whatever time. "The systems" are some pieces of paper and a variety of real life human beings who interprete them differently at different times in different circumstances. If you want to believe it was a fig leave then you admit this exact concept of how worthless those systems are due to them being ultimately controlled and protected by humans.
I'm not taking current stances at all, america had ambition to dismatle empire and outproduce europe since the revolution, with particular aim at britain. After the world wars they could do it more effectively through loans with stipulations to de-colonize. america had already been doing focusing efforts to expell spain from south america through supporting rebels and actively taking over spanish colonies such as the philippines. britain had lost the will to fight after ww2. It's quite sad with only a handful of exceptions being better off. europe has grown soft on being able to rely on america to defend it for 80 years, I belive that can change only when the defence is gone and a new threat emerged where they can no longer rely on america.
>I belive that can change only when the defence is gone and a new threat emerged where they can no longer rely on america.
Well, there you seem to agree with me. It can change. I believe it can also change just from generational and demographic change. Children and young adults are increasingly getting more and more dissatisfied because the systems that served their predecessors well are not serving them in any way. That's happening across all of the west and while the current powers to be still have a strong hold on any potentially emerging opposition it will be difficult to maintain that for long in my opinion.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>That can be changed from one day to the next
Yeah I thought you didn't know anything about democracies and this confirms it.
11 months ago
Anonymous
single German knew it was a war for land >Damn, you're omniscient it seems.
Yeah, just admit you're a moron by completely ignoring the point that anon made about lebensraum.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>«Nur ein genügend grosser Raum auf dieser Erde sichert einem Volke die Freiheit des Daseins»
That's not a lie or a call for war. >«Nicht West- und nicht Ostorientierung darf das künftige Ziel unserer Aussenpolitik sein, sondern Ostpolitik im Sinne der Erwerbung der notwendigen Scholle für unser deutsches Volk» >Die Scholle ist im Ackerbau eine häufig nur noch in der Agrargeschichte des deutschsprachigen Raums verwendete Bezeichnung für den eigenen oder gepachteten Grundbesitz eines Bauern.
Huh, interesting. Didn't know that word before. You never learn. I don't see a call for war in wanting to lend or own farmland in the east?
11 months ago
Anonymous
>lend
Sorry, my bad. "Gepachtet" means to rent something including all of the equipment and the right to use it commercially.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>That can be changed from one day to the next depending on who is ruling at the moment and what tickles his fancy at whatever time
Do you not actually live in a democracy or something?
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Meanwhile Merkel has a nice and comfy private dinner with the judges of the Bundesverfassungsgericht before they decide on wether or not the "optionality" of constitutional rights is contistutional or not >Merely months before every judicial expert was shocked about chinese restrictions and how they could never ever be implemented in Germany >Taking a silent walk through town with a group of people is now worthy of being harrassed by police and something of interest to the Verfassungschutz >Datenschutz, Datenschutz and more Datenschutz!!! >But you must show your employer and every frickwit business and their goons your ID and medical information >Also your location, time and date needs to be recorded and saved for future reference
11 months ago
Anonymous
I mean I'm from pastaland so it's a bit hypocritical for me to speak about this but Germany is one of the few nations where its politicians just fervently hate the native German people. Must be some guilt leftover from WW2.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Our hard working, disciplined and good men died in the war. All that's left are bureaucrats. Hitler knew and hated them and honestly maybe he should have prioritized them over the israelites.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Well, if it's any consolation to you, the German people here in Italy are really respected. Your politicians less so, but there's a sort of kinship we feel with good peoples under the heel of crooked men and women. For as much good as it'll do to you, keep fighting the good fight, bruder.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Thanks, it's a bit of a relief that not everyone hates us yet.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Oh, no kidding. Them and Gypsies before israelites.
10 months ago
Anonymous
They are one and the same
11 months ago
Anonymous
I'm not taking current stances at all, america had ambition to dismatle empire and outproduce europe since the revolution, with particular aim at britain. After the world wars they could do it more effectively through loans with stipulations to de-colonize. america had already been doing focusing efforts to expell spain from south america through supporting rebels and actively taking over spanish colonies such as the philippines. britain had lost the will to fight after ww2. It's quite sad with only a handful of exceptions being better off. europe has grown soft on being able to rely on america to defend it for 80 years, I belive that can change only when the defence is gone and a new threat emerged where they can no longer rely on america.
11 months ago
Anonymous
You clearly haven't read the history of Central banking if you think those families were the ones deciding to hate each other
Well some very small nations have sent all of their X, but russians pretending NATO is depleted while they at the same time have plenty of gas in the tank is comical.
Claiming you're depleting NATO militaries when you've never even seen a stealth fighter is like claiming you're depleting the mongol empire when you've never even seen a horse archer
they're civil Ka-32 helicopters, meant for firefighting services. dunno why they're sending them, guess they can be refit for military purposes, but that sounds like it'd take precious manpower, and those old clunkers were grounded due to lack of maintenance...
Yes for firefighting. They were grounded because, surprise, Russhit is a maintenance sink whole when operated by countries that actually do the maintenance.
Japs would never give them. They want to help Ukraine, otherwise they wouldn't sink billions of non-military aids, but they still have the pacifism stick up their ass
Latvia signed a deal for 4 Blackhawks in 2018 and first two got delivered at the very end of 2022.
For most part the Air"force" flew Mi-17s on Search and Rescue or Express Hospital transport, and it was these 2-3 Mi-17s being replaced by Blackhawks.
Mi-2s were retired long ago
Baltics were delivering arms such as stingers hours before the sudden invasion began and Western support was not guaranteed.
this is basically what Russian propaganda for internal purposes states - Russian propaganda in those states has different message that all those arms ar on loans that their grandchildren will still repay...
so ymmv depending on place you live youll get different narration
>Country that was fricked over by the commies wants to kill their grandkids
Makes sense to me. Does anyone have >That greetext written from the perspective on an MG42 that was used to kill ziggers in the 40s and gets unboxed 80 years later
And >That screencap of the Estonian(?) kid posing with the MG42 that a bunch of israelites and russians were kvetching about
Whoa ... is that the piece of shit soviet monstrosity that was in Riga? Did they demolish that? I had to walk past that fricking eyesore almost every day for five fricking years. I always dreamed of wrapping cords of C4 around the base and taking it down.
how fricking moronic are you shitskin? every last non 5-th columnist in the Baltics/Poland knows what ru**ian genocidal conquering entails and acts accordingly to their national/family history. you are writing out some of the dumbest possible take you could produce about geopolitics if YOU honestly believe what Black folkhit you wrote out. TZD
Lmao
Have you even met an east euro/finn?
Most of them have stories from the last time russia visited them >When the russian army passes through even dogs hide their asses in the kennel
>there's a reason why russians call the former soviet satellite states the butthurt belt, and it ain't because they're jealous of shit.
Are you serious?
That's Greece, that wanted Patriots before sending their S-300 battery to Ukraine. Balts want new shit in return, but are ready to risk having their bare asses in the meanwhile.
There is no "risk" or "meanwhile". These are states only rivaled by the great Pidorussian Federation in corruption. They have no interest in protecting their own country. They know they can't do it by themselves (Which is why Russia is partly right that they are not sovereign states), so why bother. I can't wait for when the realization hits that these funds have been embezzled, but by that point Russia is likely no longer a threat, so it will likely be swept under the rug.
Holy shit you're a moron 5th columnist commie wienersucker with no idea on what you are talking about. But I will take a bait and ask this.
Are smaller countries that have been fricked over by much larger neighbors, demographically and economically, not allowed to be independent and seek security by teaming up with whoever is opposed to the said neighbor?
Why bother engaging with another moron burger that's never met an actual Eastern European. They've no idea whatosever how viscerally those frickers hate Russia.
If they wanted to just get away with corruption they'd cosy up to Russia, it's basically in the Russian DNA. EU, UK, US are the ones who try and stop countries being corrupt.
>Hungary
Sad but true. For some reason every hungarian I've spoken to online is a rabid schizo and overwhelming Russian & Chink supporter even more than Serbs somehow
11 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah really sad.
Tho there are some hungarians with brain activity who voluntarily send drones and other supplies to ukrainian brigades.
t. hungarian who already paid for 2 maviks
11 months ago
Anonymous
Based, you give me hope that there are still sane & good Hungarians left. Care to tell why your country seems to have disproportionate number of schizos online? Hell even two girls I tried hooking up with eventually dropped the facade and started acting crazy (but that's expected from women)
11 months ago
Anonymous
Most of the nation is full of anger and feel miserable because the nation is stagnating. The government funneled these feelings towards minorities, sexual minorities and overall the west by government sponsored hate campaigns instead of taking responsibility. And most people accept this instead of facing the truth and reality that they voted for a corrupt party who stole every EU gibs and now even the romanians live better than us.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Sad. Thank you for elaborating and confirming what I mostly already was suspecting as an observer
11 months ago
Anonymous
sometimes i can only laugh at the absurdity of it. For example theres a gov sponsored ad campaign for peace talks and armistrice, like our nation have any impact on it. In the meantime talkshows on gov media openly roots for russians and promoting vatnik propaganda about biolabs, ukrainians blowing the dam, the bucha massacre was staged etc. Have many stories of schizo stuff happening in state media.
11 months ago
Anonymous
And then all that drivel eventually seeps in the minds of general populace normies
11 months ago
Anonymous
>general populace normies
Based, you give me hope that there are still sane & good Hungarians left. Care to tell why your country seems to have disproportionate number of schizos online? Hell even two girls I tried hooking up with eventually dropped the facade and started acting crazy (but that's expected from women)
>Hell even two girls I tried hooking up with
11 months ago
Anonymous
The push for peace talks is also vatnik propaganda, their idea of peace is "give Russia every inch of land it wants, sign treaty with entire world promising to not join NATO for next billion years and to not arm so much as a door guard without Russia's say-so, pledge to eradicate Ukrainian as a language, and then bend over and wait for further instructions for the sake of "peace". Also no binding resolutions on Russia's side, just in case they change their minds."
Peace talks are just Russia's way of propagandizing the unconditional surrender they want out of Ukraine.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Funny but if we went forward with the negotiations in March Ukraine could have kept Mariupol, Severodonestk, Lisichansk, Bakhmut etc
10 months ago
Anonymous
>believing any treaty russia signs is worth anything
if you give them an inch they'll be back in a decade or so to take a mile and so on.
10 months ago
Anonymous
If you give them an inch, they'll be conquer a minor town that's 10km wide in 2 more weeks
11 months ago
Anonymous
I get it, but the average voter here cant comprehend the concept of fighting against invaders. They are beyond help and full brainwashed by schizo vatnik psyop. Im not kidding there are guys in the media who openly propagate flat earth theories
10 months ago
Anonymous
The average voter also has issues understanding why we should sacrifice so much for a country that is not even part of either UE or nato. What's next, paying 5 euro for 1 kg of bread in order to have regime change in Belarus?
T. anon from a country that actually contributes to the European project since the '50s
10 months ago
Anonymous
have a nice day "European". Go back to Morocco instead of immigrating in our proud countries. We're not spending shit for Ukraine, the price fluctuations were results of a Russian import ban and the war itself, not the governments giving aid to the Ukes.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>sacrifice so much
Leftovers from the 80s that were going to be scrapped anyway.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>sacrifice so much
We really don't. Price hikes are a direct result of monkee's ape out combined (and of course covid lockdowns).
Sending a few moldy man pads and some gepards that were already mothballed costs next to nothing. After ukies take back the gas fields, we'll go back to having access to cheap energy.
Everyone who's not completely moronic understands this.
10 months ago
Anonymous
> After ukies take back the gas fields
Implying
10 months ago
Anonymous
Lel I already pay 6,5€ per kg for premium bread and sure as shit would rather funnel that money to regime changes instead of K-shops owner. We could have pretty much everything cost 1€ in eurozone if Russia was a trustful trade partner with quality goods.
10 months ago
Anonymous
The "peace talk proponents" russians are unbelievable. They know Russia=STRONK so ruskies don't have to keep any deals because keeping your end of a bargain is weakness.
We voted for politicians that represent us, and thanks to that we quickly joined NATO. After that we voted out all Russia sympathizers and in many new politicians with military backgrounds, pro NATO of course. Weird and difficult to understand how democracy works, isn't it?
>b-but you had to do a kansanäänestys so that russia could try to interfere, it's not real democracy without it
lol
Before the invasion I was on the no NATO boat because USA fricked up in Iraq so badly and make no mistake US takes countries for everything they have when given a chance but oh boy I'm glad we got into NATO now. Russia cannot be trusted. Even with their big oil bucks they couldn't resist war.
They can try it but it's hard. A small country would need the capability to mobilize its entire society to fend off the invader. Sure, freeloading and allying is the easier option, but that also means their entire freedom might depend on some hick sitting at their porch in Texas voting some nutjob into the White House that has had enough of freeloaders and hands their country on a silver platter to that invader.
People learn from mistakes. If they had known that letting in commies in the interwar period would have led to such destruction & population loss they would have rather gone out in full scorched earth style instead of letting be rolled over, looted and massacred. It's why cooperation between the Baltics has improved greatly now along with attempts to follow closer to the Finnish style of military training & conscription for defense. Even if funding is much more limited and hard to balance due to the slow recovery of the absolute abysmal state of post USSR collapse and the 2000s economic crisis.
I don't know where you keep getting this "freeloading" idea from but you should probably stop following RT news or whatever /chug/ says.
Not protecting smaller friendly nations by military guarantees eventually means that someone can invade them and turn their resources against you. Its cheaper for the US to pinky promise to fight for a free Latvia and sell them some weapons now and then; that it is to arm itself to fight a now occupied and hostile Latvia on top of its other enemies.
Yet it's tankies who are the heart and soul of vatnikdom. Curious that you are once again trying to shill for the Democrats on the weapons board >Muh hick
You're a gunless urban dangerhair.
Anon the entire Russian argument for the war is asspained historical revanchist seething, anyone who genuinely believes NATO was a threat to Russia should stop and ask themselves why neither Russia nor NATO station sizeable armed forces on each other's borders. Russia has been removing troops from the Finland border to use in Ukraine because they know NATO was never going to attack Russia.
Russia has no standing when it comes to following old agreements and treaties. Also has no business calling things that were never treaties or even informal agreements promises, but that happens all the time too.
>show me nato's borders in 1991, and show me them today?
That is up for member states to decide whether they want to join, Russia has no say in it >its almost as if ukraine was explicitly told to never entertain nato, and specific treaties were drawn up and signed by ukraine, that no such attempts would be made >specific treaties were drawn up and signed by ukraine
Where? What treaties? Minsk agreements had no word about NATO, Budapest memorandum was just Ukraine giving all its nukes to Russia in exchange for, and I quote here "Respect the signatory's independence and sovereignty in the existing borders" and "Refrain from the threat or the use of force against the signatory", there are four more of these, none mention NATO either
>muh nato expansionism
gtfo zigger, just frick off to pol - low iq shitbags will undoubtedly appreciate your half assed lies and revisionist fantasies but we've no use for them here.
BTW doesn’t anyone find the "zigger" meme lame? There’s the obvious roots of "Z" plus "Black person" but replacing the "n" with a "z" softens the harshness of "Black person" which makes it sound silly like a Dr Seuss rhyme.
>we left our soldier in the field to be eaten by cat, but we (probably) managed to kill some random granny that owned tha cat befre the war >overall this balances things out for us for us, and actually is another succes for russian pidoration
>they expect EU gibs to replace everything they send
that's how it should be. who is portugal, belgium, denmark, etc. going to defend against?
it's eastern EU countries that are at most risk of russian aggression, and russians regularly make threats against EU as a whole, plus western EU countries directly too (see recent "nuke paris" seethe)
>NATO could never going to attack Russia.
Guys! Guys... He's okay, he's going to be fine. His brain is returning to port under it's own power, and will be making legible sentences again in as little as two weeks time.
We voted for politicians that represent us, and thanks to that we quickly joined NATO. After that we voted out all Russia sympathizers and in many new politicians with military backgrounds, pro NATO of course. Weird and difficult to understand how democracy works, isn't it?
>b-but you had to do a kansanäänestys so that russia could try to interfere, it's not real democracy without it
Remind me when GWB announced that Iraq wasn't a real country and insisted that Iraqi citizens were American citizens and that Baghdad was "Eternally American"
Not russian, but that sounds exactly like what he'd say (in a 2000s parody film no less.) While america wanted foreign oil like russia wants their old territory back, no glowBlack person for either country is willing to admit how similar the opposite country is to their own. >The more you hate something the more like it you become >Don't forget that disgust is an entirely seperate emotion from hate
Both Bush and Putin have moronic rhetoric to justify invasion, only difference being Bush was nice enough to let counterculture america roast him for a good decade or so.
The entire Rogue Nation moniker was essentially that, declaring these countries illegitimate to justify a "preemptive strike" which we now know to be unwarranted hostilities against a sovereign nation for no good reason.
Gotta be honest, Bush would never have done this, though. You couldn't get away with 100k+ casualties in 16 months with America's "free press", not unless the Lunar Nazis were in the capitol.
>Ukraine supposedly buddies up to alliance that protects from Russian invasion (they were never gonna join because of border disputes but who cares about facts) >Russia invades to prove that Ukraine shouldn't try to join NATO
k
The Balts I have been drinking with seem to be always half a bottle of vodka away from "tie me to a missile and fire me at moscow i am ready". They are very sincere about fricking with ziggers.
>tfw watching Russia draining the western countries military equipment surplus through the war of attrition
Blitzkrieg will the slowest takeover possible compared to how quickly they will march through Europe once they are done shooting everything you send here down. It's a lost cause and to hell with lost sunk phallucy, save yourself before it's too late.
t. ukie
Military equipment is spending resources for national security. Stopping Russia in Ukraine is cheaper than stopping it in Poland or Latvia.
Do you think they will send both of them?
>Do you think they will send both of them?
was going to post this, kek
my exact thought
its so fricking ovyir
i dont see any practical reason to attack poland beside tojust frick with them cause they are obnoxious homosexuals
but lmao russia currently control an area bigger than lithuania anon the baltics arent a problem
Anon, you are forgetting why Russia starts wars.
Why is there an African-country flag in there?
This.
Baltics sometimes use these old aoviet helis for rescue or training, but they'll be infinitely more useful in Ukraine
True to a degree, but on the other hand, we're also seeing houses that look just like ours be destroyed in HD footage and seeing people somewhar similar to us being blown to smithereens and raped en masse. Every time I hear fireworks, my heart rate rises slightly.
As for Russians being btfo, they're not being btfo decisively and West Euros still don't seem to be taking this seriously.
I wish death upon all ziggers
>European countries with the most exposure to Russia are the most fervently hostile to it
really makes you think
Centuries of russian foreign politics coming to bite the russian bastards in the ass lmao.
cowabunga
I'm not Eastern European/Baltic but I have to imagine this is like the best time of their lives right now. They get to see their former oppressors get btfo in 4k with minimal effort.
Whilst getting rid of most of their Soviet era scrap so they can fully westernize their defense sector.
and get paid by germoney for donating their scarps
This is actually the plan. We don't really have much of a need for them since we're gonna modernize really soon anyway + new military factories are being planned & built in next 5ish years for the vehicles and weapons we would mainly use.
Plus watching ziggies get fricked in the ass like they deserve to after all the posturing and "hurr stronk" is priceless.
t. Latvian with close contacts to military
I'm moving to Latvia in 2 months. Is there any suggestions for working in the defence industry?
Depends how old you are. The industry is only now getting its budget allocated and plans getting finalized so factories would only begin getting their foundations constructed next year'ish and take around 2-3 to be finished. I also heard few rumors that they are looking up & inspecting the existing steel/metal factories, that had their income slashed due to losing russian market, as potential customers to be retooled in much faster pace than building from the ground up.
But for now you might wanna look into some electronics & communications manufacturers while the other stuff gets developed. Like the Edge Autonomy UAV factory we got near Riga or the projects LMT with partners is developing for Opsec & Cyber.
Outside of that, there is a constant need of new housing, barracks & other related stuff for recruits due to the new conscription laws. But I haven't really bothered looking into if they need civilian contractors in that sector.
holy shit
that wasn't even a troll..
I know you're just a common pleb, but come on, there's not excuse for this level of ignorance
>minimal effort
you're projecting American imperial perspective onto nations that foot the bill
there's a war just beyond the border, there's 2 million Ukrainians that moved to my country, this war guarantees tensions in the region for a decade+, the cost of buying cuckboxes off the shelf (technology transfers are a story you tell the plebs so they keep quiet) and costs related to commodity prices will increase our indebtedness dramatically European economy without commodities from russia will be strained for very long time, inflation high, and Europe is more likely to be pulled into a confrontation with China now
it's all a disaster and not even the most bloodthristy people I know would consider Russia taking significant losses is a worthy consolation, that's why the popular support for us making any intervention is approximately 0%
Are you moronic? It's very minimal effort compared to being the flashpoint of the eastern front with orc shits running around raping and murdering and stealing toilets.
I compare it to peace and trade
>inb4 no peace is possible with russians
mutt glowBlack person talking points are not allowed
>be peaceful with Russia
>Russia hacks you
>Russia assassinates people in your country
>Russia says it will nuke you at the first possibility
>Russia invades your neighbour
>Russia says you're next
>Russia invades you
I would gladly kill you
>I would gladly kill you
Can I join?
Finland has plenty of experience on "russian diplomacy" in its "soft" form and the MINUTE we had the chance to join NATO, we did.
The president said about russian diplomacy:
>the cossack takes anything that's not bolted onto something
...meaning they have no neutral status, they either fear you or dislike you. Nothing in between, just those two, and western people should ALWAYS choose punishing them for their existence, just to keep them down as a nation 🙂
you're a powerless pleb raging at your screen, somehow I'm not scared
russia is just an empire, no better or worse than mutts
peace in the region was a possibility, despite russian stupidity and mutt meddling
ok, just try to remember that posturing on PrepHole is not impressive, and the interests of mutt empire and those of your nation are not quite the same
>peace in the region was a possibility
How?
depends on time horizon
By giving Russia everything it can dream of and more.
By nuking Moscow.
Should've listened to patton.
remove russians
>russia is just an empire, no better or worse than mutts
Show me the SMO against Canada.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_1812
>Even major figures such as Henry Clay and James Monroe expected to keep at least Upper Canada in an easy conquest. Notable American generals such as William Hull issued proclamations to Canadians during the war promising republican liberation through incorporation into the United States. General Alexander Smyth similarly declared to his troops when they invaded Canada that "you will enter a country that is to become one of the United States. You will arrive among a people who are to become your fellow-citizens".
>All these groups assumed American troops would be greeted as liberators, guaranteeing an easy conquest. Thomas Jefferson believed taking "...Canada this year, as far as...Quebec, will be a mere matter of marching, and will give us the experience for the attack on Halifax, the next and final expulsion of England from the American continent".
>Absence of local backing prevented American forces from establishing a foothold in the area, and of ten attempts to invade Upper Canada between 1812 and 1814, the vast majority ended in failure.
>You're a powerless pleb
I dunno man I get lots of videos of russians dying so i'm getting what I want. You seem to be the powerless one complaining about your government giving freebies to Ukraine. Maybe you should do something about it instead of b***hing online
Lmao you stupid newbie morons are unreal, go back to street shittery
This is far better than 08, and that was all for nothing, no shitskin and vatnik blood to justify it then
Frick you
sorry, you're incoherent to me
maybe rephrase that, try not to rage too
The best thing isnt even seeing Russians getting btfod but the fact that Baltics and Poland have told NATO and EU all this time that threat to NATO will come only from Russia and Krauts still bullied everyone to sign off on Nord Stream 2 giving Russian warships rights to patrol Estonian EZZ border zone
these are just going to be flying metal coffins
what Ukraine NEEDS is fixed wing aircraft
consider the following:
The Warthog is so shit Ulraine literally turned down the offer to get some at the start of the invvasion.
source?
my ass
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/ukraines-defense-chief-pleas-for-western-jets-just-not-a-10s
Ukraine doesn't want the A-10 Anon, but they weirdly expressed interest in the A-29N.
Ukraine
>In August 2019, a Ukrainian military delegation visited Embraer's military division in São Paulo and flew the Super Tucano.[147] In October 2019, the President of Ukraine, Volodymyr Zelensky, in a meeting with Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro, informed that his country will buy the Super Tucano.[148] In December 2022, the Brazilian media reported a Ukrainian interest in the Super Tucano, to equip its air force for the Russo-Ukrainian War; however, the sale was blocked by the Bolsonaro administration.[149] A diplomatic effort by the United States to persuade the president-elect of Brazil, Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, to unblock the deal has been reported.[149]
They did ask the U.S. for 100 A-10s and we refused
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/ukraine-asked-for-100-a-10-warthogs-just-weeks-after-russias-invasion#
Logi and transport are still useful even if they can't be used within MANPAD distance of the front.
Someone struck a deal that's going to get Latvia a bunch of Blackhawks. Calling it.
They already have 3 in service with an additional 1 on order.
We already gave them most of our Mi's, there's like maybe 2 left.
Unless our PM decided to say frick it and hand over the Black Hawk's as well.
Might as well give them the Mig-29's in our aviation museum as well, maybe there's still some parts salvageable.
based migaposter
>Rigaposter
I don't understand why the vatBlack person homosexuals going on about european militaries "depleting their stocks".
Why do they think that those countries stock up in the first place? Who do they think could possibly attack them?
It's not like germany needs to have a shitload of shells ready incase they get invaded by france, it's always been to fight russia.
And if our weapons can blow up russians before they even get here that's just even better
To me it's more like some country really don't have anything of value to give but they still come out with such announcements for PR points
It'll take some time to replenish said european stocks, because in the post Cold War era everyone (even the US, although to a far smaller degree than most EU nations) took Fukayama's words a bit too literally and assumed that there would never again be a real threat to liberal democracy and significantly lowered defense spending, closed down factories, etc.
Although if you take a look at countries like Poland, buying a ton of shit in the short term from the US and SK is a good way to re-militarize quickly and not too expensively. Maybe the others will follow suit; Lithuania spent a lot on HIMARS.
>8000 Gavin's
Just make them fly already
Better yet just turn them into armored cruise missiles.
m113 will never be gavin
but nobody really needs to replenish those stocks, especially the us. Most of these donations are of old stock that are harder to maintain, or are simply costing taxp[ayers money languishing in a hanger.
By fielding them to Ukraine it's a net benefit to everybody who isn't a 2nd or 3rd world nation who needs those things to have a functioning airforce/navy/military/etc.
>It's not like germany needs to have a shitload of shells ready incase they get invaded by france
I see you never heard about european history.
France isn't going to invade though. Nobody is. It just isn't financially viable to do it. Europe was the most peaceful it had been for centuries with only the odd minor conflict until the Ukraine War.
>Europe was the most peaceful it had been for centuries until it wasn't anymore
Exactly.
>It just isn't financially viable to do it.
War is extremely profitable.
>War is extremely profitable.
Not if you are bombing your own factories. A war between EU members would be as damaging as a civil war given how interconnected they are.
>suddenly all the Euros are going to start declaring war on each because... THEY JUST WILL OK
I love this cope.
The closest two Euro nations have come to actual war in the last 80 years is the Cod Wars, when Iceland and the UK got into a slapfight over fishing grounds and drove their ships into each other because nobody wanted to be the guy who shot first.
If you win, sure. Why waste the effort in Europe when there are far easier targets in Africa, with still untapped mineral wealth. It is america and it's stranglehold over Europe which has tapered European aggression and ambition. Europe will not grow a spine as long as america is still standing.
You're taking current political stances as unmovable facts. This isn't how it always was and this won't be how it's always going to be. Strong bonds and alliances have always existed, periods of peace and prosperity have always existed, strong empires that keep the world in a forced state of peace have always existed. And yet history still turned out how it always did.
Royalty back then married into each others families and yet they still eventually turned against each other. The EU, the western alliances, none of that infallible.
1. Democracies don't declare war on each other
2.Shit doesn't suddenly just happen. Once Euros perceive their neighbours might be eyeing up their land they'll arm up again very quickly. It's not like a new Hitler can arise overnight and be like "We're invading France TOMORROW MUAHAHAHA!"
Hell, even the real Hitler needed like 2 decades to both set the preconditions for his rise and ready the country. And he was coming from a much less stable place in an era that still had significant numbers of people who embraced the concept of wars of aggression.
>1. Democracies don't declare war on each other
That's an empty statement
>2.
I didn't say anything is going to happen overnight.
Germanies population never embraced a war of aggression. Hitler never declared it one. Hitler's speech to go to war was about the continued aggression and harrassment from polish soldiers at the border.
>Germanies population never embraced a war of aggression. Hitler never declared it one. Hitler's speech to go to war was about the continued aggression and harrassment from polish soldiers at the border.
A fig leaf more for foreign consumption than anything else. Every single German knew it was a war for land. Hitler explicitly stated so in Mein Kampf with the concept of lebensraum
>That's an empty statement
It's really not. It's a statement that assumes a degree of knowledge about how democracies work and the systems they have in place.
>Every single German knew it was a war for land
Damn, you're omniscient it seems.
>the systems they have in place.
That can be changed from one day to the next depending on who is ruling at the moment and what tickles his fancy at whatever time. "The systems" are some pieces of paper and a variety of real life human beings who interprete them differently at different times in different circumstances. If you want to believe it was a fig leave then you admit this exact concept of how worthless those systems are due to them being ultimately controlled and protected by humans.
>I belive that can change only when the defence is gone and a new threat emerged where they can no longer rely on america.
Well, there you seem to agree with me. It can change. I believe it can also change just from generational and demographic change. Children and young adults are increasingly getting more and more dissatisfied because the systems that served their predecessors well are not serving them in any way. That's happening across all of the west and while the current powers to be still have a strong hold on any potentially emerging opposition it will be difficult to maintain that for long in my opinion.
>That can be changed from one day to the next
Yeah I thought you didn't know anything about democracies and this confirms it.
single German knew it was a war for land
>Damn, you're omniscient it seems.
Yeah, just admit you're a moron by completely ignoring the point that anon made about lebensraum.
>«Nur ein genügend grosser Raum auf dieser Erde sichert einem Volke die Freiheit des Daseins»
That's not a lie or a call for war.
>«Nicht West- und nicht Ostorientierung darf das künftige Ziel unserer Aussenpolitik sein, sondern Ostpolitik im Sinne der Erwerbung der notwendigen Scholle für unser deutsches Volk»
>Die Scholle ist im Ackerbau eine häufig nur noch in der Agrargeschichte des deutschsprachigen Raums verwendete Bezeichnung für den eigenen oder gepachteten Grundbesitz eines Bauern.
Huh, interesting. Didn't know that word before. You never learn. I don't see a call for war in wanting to lend or own farmland in the east?
>lend
Sorry, my bad. "Gepachtet" means to rent something including all of the equipment and the right to use it commercially.
>That can be changed from one day to the next depending on who is ruling at the moment and what tickles his fancy at whatever time
Do you not actually live in a democracy or something?
>Meanwhile Merkel has a nice and comfy private dinner with the judges of the Bundesverfassungsgericht before they decide on wether or not the "optionality" of constitutional rights is contistutional or not
>Merely months before every judicial expert was shocked about chinese restrictions and how they could never ever be implemented in Germany
>Taking a silent walk through town with a group of people is now worthy of being harrassed by police and something of interest to the Verfassungschutz
>Datenschutz, Datenschutz and more Datenschutz!!!
>But you must show your employer and every frickwit business and their goons your ID and medical information
>Also your location, time and date needs to be recorded and saved for future reference
I mean I'm from pastaland so it's a bit hypocritical for me to speak about this but Germany is one of the few nations where its politicians just fervently hate the native German people. Must be some guilt leftover from WW2.
Our hard working, disciplined and good men died in the war. All that's left are bureaucrats. Hitler knew and hated them and honestly maybe he should have prioritized them over the israelites.
Well, if it's any consolation to you, the German people here in Italy are really respected. Your politicians less so, but there's a sort of kinship we feel with good peoples under the heel of crooked men and women. For as much good as it'll do to you, keep fighting the good fight, bruder.
Thanks, it's a bit of a relief that not everyone hates us yet.
Oh, no kidding. Them and Gypsies before israelites.
They are one and the same
I'm not taking current stances at all, america had ambition to dismatle empire and outproduce europe since the revolution, with particular aim at britain. After the world wars they could do it more effectively through loans with stipulations to de-colonize. america had already been doing focusing efforts to expell spain from south america through supporting rebels and actively taking over spanish colonies such as the philippines. britain had lost the will to fight after ww2. It's quite sad with only a handful of exceptions being better off. europe has grown soft on being able to rely on america to defend it for 80 years, I belive that can change only when the defence is gone and a new threat emerged where they can no longer rely on america.
You clearly haven't read the history of Central banking if you think those families were the ones deciding to hate each other
>War is extremely profitable.
An actual moron. Wow.
>Europe was the most peaceful it had been for centuries
.. says the fricking AZOV Nazi shill without blushing
>Was a Designated Cuck for the Ottomans for four centuries
>Killed 8000 civilians
>"We are the kebab removers!"
you're next serbo zigger
You gonna repay them for starting WW1?
>Foolish HATO is depleting their stocks
>BTW we're firing 6 million shells a second
because they're delusional vatBlack person homosexuals, there really is nothing more to it.
Well some very small nations have sent all of their X, but russians pretending NATO is depleted while they at the same time have plenty of gas in the tank is comical.
>It's not like germany needs to have a shitload of shells ready incase they get invaded by france
Sure thing kraut, don't worry about that 🙂
The moronic talking points are strictly for their useful idiots. They never stop shitting them out, and the useful idiots never stop lapping them up.
Claiming you're depleting NATO militaries when you've never even seen a stealth fighter is like claiming you're depleting the mongol empire when you've never even seen a horse archer
The West and friends have hundreds of attack helicopters they're likely going to just scrap in favour of drones in the coming decade.
The couple of Kamovs Portugal donated at the start of the war haven't even arrived yet,
Portugal had Kamovs??
they're civil Ka-32 helicopters, meant for firefighting services. dunno why they're sending them, guess they can be refit for military purposes, but that sounds like it'd take precious manpower, and those old clunkers were grounded due to lack of maintenance...
Yes for firefighting. They were grounded because, surprise, Russhit is a maintenance sink whole when operated by countries that actually do the maintenance.
sinkhole*
meant for
https://www.defensenews.com/smr/defending-the-pacific/2023/02/09/japan-to-replace-attack-observation-helos-with-drone-fleet/
Japan is retiring its whole attack and observation (light attack) helicopter fleet in favour of drones. Would be nice to them to gift to Ukraine.
Japs would never give them. They want to help Ukraine, otherwise they wouldn't sink billions of non-military aids, but they still have the pacifism stick up their ass
They also have the tactical requirements to threaten to give the helos to. . .
Other people.
Yeeeeeah unless they amend their constitutuion they can't send shit unfortunately
Give them to the US and the US will donate them in their stead.
>sell 1 heli for 1 symbolic JPY
Problem, Constitution?
They find loopholes any time they can, don't worry about it. *cough*helicopter carriers*cough*
>Captcha JAV2K
they are doing it because they sympathize with other people facing the prospect of Russian "governance"
You can't possibly believe that.
Having spoken to Balts and Poles I absolutely believe it.
Latvia signed a deal for 4 Blackhawks in 2018 and first two got delivered at the very end of 2022.
For most part the Air"force" flew Mi-17s on Search and Rescue or Express Hospital transport, and it was these 2-3 Mi-17s being replaced by Blackhawks.
Mi-2s were retired long ago
Baltics were delivering arms such as stingers hours before the sudden invasion began and Western support was not guaranteed.
this is basically what Russian propaganda for internal purposes states - Russian propaganda in those states has different message that all those arms ar on loans that their grandchildren will still repay...
so ymmv depending on place you live youll get different narration
>Country that was fricked over by the commies wants to kill their grandkids
Makes sense to me. Does anyone have
>That greetext written from the perspective on an MG42 that was used to kill ziggers in the 40s and gets unboxed 80 years later
And
>That screencap of the Estonian(?) kid posing with the MG42 that a bunch of israelites and russians were kvetching about
Whoa ... is that the piece of shit soviet monstrosity that was in Riga? Did they demolish that? I had to walk past that fricking eyesore almost every day for five fricking years. I always dreamed of wrapping cords of C4 around the base and taking it down.
nazi
Yep, that's the one
That is immensely satisfying. Thanks for sharing.
I noticed you didn't post the reason why they demolished it.....
You wouldn't want to appear biased now, would you?
how fricking moronic are you shitskin? every last non 5-th columnist in the Baltics/Poland knows what ru**ian genocidal conquering entails and acts accordingly to their national/family history. you are writing out some of the dumbest possible take you could produce about geopolitics if YOU honestly believe what Black folkhit you wrote out. TZD
Perhaps the threat of russia could force the Baltics/Poland to reconsider their civilian firearm ownership laws to adopt a more Czech/American stance.
Weekend warriors get to own full auto rifles here in Lithuania. Our gun laws are pretty good.
Hopefully Lithuania is chock-full of weekend warriors as with Latvia and Estonia, they'll be necessary soon enough.
The other two baltic nations obviously need to get on your level, perhaps the poles might be generous with their WBP and Beryl rifles.
I like seeing Russian soldiers getting killed
Lmao
Have you even met an east euro/finn?
Most of them have stories from the last time russia visited them
>When the russian army passes through even dogs hide their asses in the kennel
there's a reason why russians call the former soviet satellite states the butthurt belt, and it ain't because they're jealous of shit.
>there's a reason why russians call the former soviet satellite states the butthurt belt, and it ain't because they're jealous of shit.
Are you serious?
That's Greece, that wanted Patriots before sending their S-300 battery to Ukraine. Balts want new shit in return, but are ready to risk having their bare asses in the meanwhile.
There is no "risk" or "meanwhile". These are states only rivaled by the great Pidorussian Federation in corruption. They have no interest in protecting their own country. They know they can't do it by themselves (Which is why Russia is partly right that they are not sovereign states), so why bother. I can't wait for when the realization hits that these funds have been embezzled, but by that point Russia is likely no longer a threat, so it will likely be swept under the rug.
Holy shit you're a moron 5th columnist commie wienersucker with no idea on what you are talking about. But I will take a bait and ask this.
Are smaller countries that have been fricked over by much larger neighbors, demographically and economically, not allowed to be independent and seek security by teaming up with whoever is opposed to the said neighbor?
Why bother engaging with another moron burger that's never met an actual Eastern European. They've no idea whatosever how viscerally those frickers hate Russia.
If they wanted to just get away with corruption they'd cosy up to Russia, it's basically in the Russian DNA. EU, UK, US are the ones who try and stop countries being corrupt.
>If they wanted to just get away with corruption they'd cosy up to Russia, it's basically in the Russian DNA.
so Hungary?
>Hungary
Sad but true. For some reason every hungarian I've spoken to online is a rabid schizo and overwhelming Russian & Chink supporter even more than Serbs somehow
Yeah really sad.
Tho there are some hungarians with brain activity who voluntarily send drones and other supplies to ukrainian brigades.
t. hungarian who already paid for 2 maviks
Based, you give me hope that there are still sane & good Hungarians left. Care to tell why your country seems to have disproportionate number of schizos online? Hell even two girls I tried hooking up with eventually dropped the facade and started acting crazy (but that's expected from women)
Most of the nation is full of anger and feel miserable because the nation is stagnating. The government funneled these feelings towards minorities, sexual minorities and overall the west by government sponsored hate campaigns instead of taking responsibility. And most people accept this instead of facing the truth and reality that they voted for a corrupt party who stole every EU gibs and now even the romanians live better than us.
Sad. Thank you for elaborating and confirming what I mostly already was suspecting as an observer
sometimes i can only laugh at the absurdity of it. For example theres a gov sponsored ad campaign for peace talks and armistrice, like our nation have any impact on it. In the meantime talkshows on gov media openly roots for russians and promoting vatnik propaganda about biolabs, ukrainians blowing the dam, the bucha massacre was staged etc. Have many stories of schizo stuff happening in state media.
And then all that drivel eventually seeps in the minds of general populace normies
>general populace normies
>Hell even two girls I tried hooking up with
The push for peace talks is also vatnik propaganda, their idea of peace is "give Russia every inch of land it wants, sign treaty with entire world promising to not join NATO for next billion years and to not arm so much as a door guard without Russia's say-so, pledge to eradicate Ukrainian as a language, and then bend over and wait for further instructions for the sake of "peace". Also no binding resolutions on Russia's side, just in case they change their minds."
Peace talks are just Russia's way of propagandizing the unconditional surrender they want out of Ukraine.
Funny but if we went forward with the negotiations in March Ukraine could have kept Mariupol, Severodonestk, Lisichansk, Bakhmut etc
>believing any treaty russia signs is worth anything
if you give them an inch they'll be back in a decade or so to take a mile and so on.
If you give them an inch, they'll be conquer a minor town that's 10km wide in 2 more weeks
I get it, but the average voter here cant comprehend the concept of fighting against invaders. They are beyond help and full brainwashed by schizo vatnik psyop. Im not kidding there are guys in the media who openly propagate flat earth theories
The average voter also has issues understanding why we should sacrifice so much for a country that is not even part of either UE or nato. What's next, paying 5 euro for 1 kg of bread in order to have regime change in Belarus?
T. anon from a country that actually contributes to the European project since the '50s
have a nice day "European". Go back to Morocco instead of immigrating in our proud countries. We're not spending shit for Ukraine, the price fluctuations were results of a Russian import ban and the war itself, not the governments giving aid to the Ukes.
>sacrifice so much
Leftovers from the 80s that were going to be scrapped anyway.
>sacrifice so much
We really don't. Price hikes are a direct result of monkee's ape out combined (and of course covid lockdowns).
Sending a few moldy man pads and some gepards that were already mothballed costs next to nothing. After ukies take back the gas fields, we'll go back to having access to cheap energy.
Everyone who's not completely moronic understands this.
> After ukies take back the gas fields
Implying
Lel I already pay 6,5€ per kg for premium bread and sure as shit would rather funnel that money to regime changes instead of K-shops owner. We could have pretty much everything cost 1€ in eurozone if Russia was a trustful trade partner with quality goods.
The "peace talk proponents" russians are unbelievable. They know Russia=STRONK so ruskies don't have to keep any deals because keeping your end of a bargain is weakness.
Before the invasion I was on the no NATO boat because USA fricked up in Iraq so badly and make no mistake US takes countries for everything they have when given a chance but oh boy I'm glad we got into NATO now. Russia cannot be trusted. Even with their big oil bucks they couldn't resist war.
Same here. The ziggers really fricked up.
They can try it but it's hard. A small country would need the capability to mobilize its entire society to fend off the invader. Sure, freeloading and allying is the easier option, but that also means their entire freedom might depend on some hick sitting at their porch in Texas voting some nutjob into the White House that has had enough of freeloaders and hands their country on a silver platter to that invader.
People learn from mistakes. If they had known that letting in commies in the interwar period would have led to such destruction & population loss they would have rather gone out in full scorched earth style instead of letting be rolled over, looted and massacred. It's why cooperation between the Baltics has improved greatly now along with attempts to follow closer to the Finnish style of military training & conscription for defense. Even if funding is much more limited and hard to balance due to the slow recovery of the absolute abysmal state of post USSR collapse and the 2000s economic crisis.
I don't know where you keep getting this "freeloading" idea from but you should probably stop following RT news or whatever /chug/ says.
Not protecting smaller friendly nations by military guarantees eventually means that someone can invade them and turn their resources against you. Its cheaper for the US to pinky promise to fight for a free Latvia and sell them some weapons now and then; that it is to arm itself to fight a now occupied and hostile Latvia on top of its other enemies.
Yet it's tankies who are the heart and soul of vatnikdom. Curious that you are once again trying to shill for the Democrats on the weapons board
>Muh hick
You're a gunless urban dangerhair.
Notice how it's only democrats who support Ukraine?
No. Because thats not true.
https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-estonia-bumper-arms-reimbursement-ukraine-european-peace-facility/
better use for estonians than g*rms
true true
What the frick is this horrible shop?
They are on a aircraft carrier
Look at the immediate edges of the helis. Especially the one in the rear, where there's grass
Yeah, I was joking. Weird picture, i agree
Probably just opsec to hide where they are parked. Military can be really autistic about that
So it's true... All of Russia's supporters are white...
So, like, 2 Mi-2s?
What would you know about that, Rajvanesh from Uttar Pradesh oblast?
They're referring to thug hunters, the largest pro-russia organization in america.
>here in America
Hello there, Dzhonni Volker from Ohio Oblast.
Anon the entire Russian argument for the war is asspained historical revanchist seething, anyone who genuinely believes NATO was a threat to Russia should stop and ask themselves why neither Russia nor NATO station sizeable armed forces on each other's borders. Russia has been removing troops from the Finland border to use in Ukraine because they know NATO was never going to attack Russia.
and that word is russian
It's Black person, i.e (you)
Thread theme: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lHeHeBoj7NQ
Someone seems to be asking for Daddy NATO to bomb them again.
Russia has no standing when it comes to following old agreements and treaties. Also has no business calling things that were never treaties or even informal agreements promises, but that happens all the time too.
>show me nato's borders in 1991, and show me them today?
That is up for member states to decide whether they want to join, Russia has no say in it
>its almost as if ukraine was explicitly told to never entertain nato, and specific treaties were drawn up and signed by ukraine, that no such attempts would be made
>specific treaties were drawn up and signed by ukraine
Where? What treaties? Minsk agreements had no word about NATO, Budapest memorandum was just Ukraine giving all its nukes to Russia in exchange for, and I quote here "Respect the signatory's independence and sovereignty in the existing borders" and "Refrain from the threat or the use of force against the signatory", there are four more of these, none mention NATO either
>russia has no say in it
You can eat shit for breakfast, buddy
>muh nato expansionism
gtfo zigger, just frick off to pol - low iq shitbags will undoubtedly appreciate your half assed lies and revisionist fantasies but we've no use for them here.
Why does Russia get to tell Ukraine who it can and can't talk to? Russia already violated the Budapest Memorandum.
>fuming brownoid
>moronic post
Third worlders should be rangebanned.
>brown
are you American?
>According to some gay guys social media
>"fleet"
>no number mentioned in the OP or anywhere in the thread
BTW doesn’t anyone find the "zigger" meme lame? There’s the obvious roots of "Z" plus "Black person" but replacing the "n" with a "z" softens the harshness of "Black person" which makes it sound silly like a Dr Seuss rhyme.
theres always tibla
you can get banned from PrepHole for racism with this magic word
it's a meme for western audience
there are plenty of slurs for ziggers in slavic languages
moskal is more apt than zigger considering the vast majority of them are posting from moscow
I like it because it's not even changing a letter, it's just rotating it 90 degrees
Nah it's great, frick you zigger.
I like calling them zegroes.
You're brown.
you American?
Family's been here since the 17th century
>17th century
lol, you knew what to expect, that's a laugh
mutt until proven otherwise
Nice ESL, shitskin.
muh ESL, the last redoubt of a cornered mutt
>Family's been here since the 17th century
Based. Which state did they settle in?
Tamaulipas
no standing to call anyone brown until proven otherwise, then
Wah wah, revenge for 1945.
The owner of that cat is probably long gone.
>we left our soldier in the field to be eaten by cat, but we (probably) managed to kill some random granny that owned tha cat befre the war
>overall this balances things out for us for us, and actually is another succes for russian pidoration
>MOM HES CALLING ME BROWN AGAIN!
>HE WANTS ME TO SHOW HIM MY HANDS
>they expect EU gibs to replace everything they send
that's how it should be. who is portugal, belgium, denmark, etc. going to defend against?
it's eastern EU countries that are at most risk of russian aggression, and russians regularly make threats against EU as a whole, plus western EU countries directly too (see recent "nuke paris" seethe)
>specific treaties were drawn up and signed
This horseshit AGAIN?
Damn, european country emptying their stock.
I can possibly see use in the Mi-17s, but why the Mi-2s?
America oblast? Perhaps some province of China named America?
>NATO could never going to attack Russia.
Guys! Guys... He's okay, he's going to be fine. His brain is returning to port under it's own power, and will be making legible sentences again in as little as two weeks time.
Country by country, full demilitarisation of NATO will happen. Latvia is just the first.
Z
This image forgets the fact that Finns or Swedes did not vote to become part of NATO.
>what is representative democracy
We voted for politicians that represent us, and thanks to that we quickly joined NATO. After that we voted out all Russia sympathizers and in many new politicians with military backgrounds, pro NATO of course. Weird and difficult to understand how democracy works, isn't it?
>b-but you had to do a kansanäänestys so that russia could try to interfere, it's not real democracy without it
lol
https://www.iltalehti.fi/politiikka/a/5b601857-3eaf-4619-bd33-848fc0ed02df
Russia taking the "GWOT America" approach to other countries joining them
Remind me when GWB announced that Iraq wasn't a real country and insisted that Iraqi citizens were American citizens and that Baghdad was "Eternally American"
Not russian, but that sounds exactly like what he'd say (in a 2000s parody film no less.) While america wanted foreign oil like russia wants their old territory back, no glowBlack person for either country is willing to admit how similar the opposite country is to their own.
>The more you hate something the more like it you become
>Don't forget that disgust is an entirely seperate emotion from hate
Both Bush and Putin have moronic rhetoric to justify invasion, only difference being Bush was nice enough to let counterculture america roast him for a good decade or so.
There's probably a huge overlap in the boomers that blindly supported Iraqi Freedom Fries and the current wave of QTard Russian sympathizers
They are the exact same demographic, both vatnik and boomer alike, polar opposites yet spitting images.
The entire Rogue Nation moniker was essentially that, declaring these countries illegitimate to justify a "preemptive strike" which we now know to be unwarranted hostilities against a sovereign nation for no good reason.
Gotta be honest, Bush would never have done this, though. You couldn't get away with 100k+ casualties in 16 months with America's "free press", not unless the Lunar Nazis were in the capitol.
t. Levi McDonalds from Montanya oblast
>Ukraine supposedly buddies up to alliance that protects from Russian invasion (they were never gonna join because of border disputes but who cares about facts)
>Russia invades to prove that Ukraine shouldn't try to join NATO
k
Hello helo, meet R-37M.
1. We spend more on defence than almost all other NATO countries
2. Ukraine gets equipment with which to kill Russians and we get new stuff with which to scare Russia aeay from invading the EU
It' a win-win for everyone involved
>No I'm not brown
>Barely coherent post full of simple grammar mistakes
What did he mean by this?
The Balts I have been drinking with seem to be always half a bottle of vodka away from "tie me to a missile and fire me at moscow i am ready". They are very sincere about fricking with ziggers.
>tfw watching Russia draining the western countries military equipment surplus through the war of attrition
Blitzkrieg will the slowest takeover possible compared to how quickly they will march through Europe once they are done shooting everything you send here down. It's a lost cause and to hell with lost sunk phallucy, save yourself before it's too late.
t. ukie
They're draining themselves much, much faster.
>Latvia is sending BOTH of their helicopters
it's fricking over