The rumor of his firing exploded on Moday, and I got banned for posting about it. Now MSM is widely reporting that he was actually let go in a meeting low-key by Zelensky who offered him another position but declined it. Now they’re reporting it’ll be officially announced sometime in the week.
So, what the FRICK is going on? Wasn’t this guy really popular? Was there internal drama? CNN seems to suggest that it’s over the counteroffensive failing, is there any rumors around that being the center of drama in the government? Why are they doing this it’s a super bad look, can’t they work around whatever issue has come up? Like, could you imagine in Woody was fired?
>source says
>Trusting internet CNN in this day and age
CNN Newswire, which is their online service is pretty solid. It's the 24/7 Cable News network that gives the station a bad name.
Those sources are 100% within Ukraine government, and they ain't going to be saying their names because they'd get fired. Washington Post, CNN, NYT, etc are reporting it so it's looking grim. Valery Zaluzhny is popular, and a potential presidential candidate as well? Can you imagine him replacing Zelenskyy?
>Those sources are 100% within Ukraine government
Didn't the first rumors come from Russians? Where's your source homosexual?
Putin himselve.
Bro, the original rumor got started because some Ukranian politician who was there said so on social media, and then Ukranian journalists got the info from inside sources — but, apparently, those sources were also giving them conflicting info. The rumor exploded in Ukranian media and the government put out a statement clearly denying it. But there’s highly-placed sources who are reporting to journalists that the dismissal definitely happened, who had been talked to as a replacement, when it happened and that they’re going to announce it soon. That’s why Western media is picking it up now, it seems solid, not just a random Russian disinfo bot hacking a Twitter.
RT says it's bcause Zaluzhny is against spring counteroffensive and 500k mobilization while Zelensky and Budanov are for it...
>RT says
that's fine
I was just saying that this specific fact, that five major news agencies start reporting it, shouldn't be counted because they all cross-quote each other
>Those sources are 100% within Ukraine government, and they ain't going to be saying their names because they'd get fired
>trust me bro
Who the frick were you hoping would just buy this?
>Washington Post, CNN, NYT, etc are reporting it
they cross-quote each other so it doesn't mean anything
>Washington Post, CNN, NYT, etc are reporting it so it's looking grim.
you are a moron
Kadyrov will be in Lviv by April.
you know, Ive been gone for a few months, its nice to see that the vatniks online still have not learned that appeals to authority arent going to ducking work when we barely acknowledge that source of authority in the first place.
Its common to see commanders getting switched around from time to time during war. You switch to another commander until it sticks, basically. It becomes a problem if its becoming a common occurrence, though.
>source says
If (IF!) Zaluzhny gets fired it will not be because of the counteroffensive but because of the disagreements between him and Zelensky.
But for now it's just a lot of information noise and it's disappointing to see CNN play into this.
Forgot to add: disagreements between him and Zelensky over mobilisation.
I’ve heard that mobilization in Ukraine is super tough, but it’s hard to tell the difference between legit info and Russian agitprop without actually being in Ukraine to see for one’s self.
It's definitely difficult. I just left, but had been living there for nearly the entire war. The ratio of my male friends that joined the fight vs those that are hiding out inside and not going outside is really bad. Most of my friends are programmers/IT, so maybe that has something to do with it. Fortunately, I personally don't know anyone that died (yet). Most Ukrainian men will donate, raise funds, post support online, and pretty much do anything else for the cause *except* serve, which really sucks. It makes me question if the country is really ready to make the sacrifices needed to build a nation.
I'm not buying the Zaluzhny story either until the Ukrainians report it, but if he gets replaced, Budanov seems like the right guy for the job.
Long live Novorossiya
Here behold hohol confused as to why entire tech sector if his country would not volunteer to be liquidated in a hopeless fight.
Oh well. Hail Putler and a long life to you anon
What makes you think I'm Ukrainian? I still believe that Ukraine will come out on top, as well as join both NATO and the EU. I also believe that russia will be much worse off than before the "3-Day SMO", and will be badly damaged for decades. I am only unsure about what the borders will look like after, but I don't think russia will make any significant gains beyond what they currently hold on to
Because you have sex with men.
but that would make him russian
>I don't think russia will make any significant gains beyond what they currently hold on
It seems ruskies are going for another push, supposedly because US provided Kyiv with long range weapons so now buffer zone is not big enough.
>It seems ruskies are going for another push
They've been doing that for over 3 months now. 300 tanks later they haven't moved anywhere.
idk anons, I'm just saying what ruskies officials are blabbing on RT. Request for anther push and expansion of "sanitary" zone is now official.
They've been saying the same things over and over again for 2 years now.
>Russia needs to create a large “demilitarized zone” in Ukraine, one that is big enough to ensure no longe-range weapons can strike Russian cities, President Vladimir Putin said on Wednesday
This is new...
It's not new. They said the same thing verbatim almost 2 years ago.
ok anon, I didn't know about it.
>expansion of "sanitary" zone is now official
It was supposed to be everything to Dnipro river last year. The "sanitary zone" actually just keeps shrinking.
They're slowly taking Andkiivka, and the plan seems to be just bleed them dry then withdraw. The bigger issue is that the lack of ammo and man-power results in Ukraine in a very tenuous situation. USA may not give Ukraine any more damn ammo until after the 2024 election which may be too late since a handful of Republicans are blocking it.
No, it was the battle for Bakhmut that led to the Wagner rebellion, leading to Putin killing Priggy. There was debate whether it was worth it, and yes, it turns out it was. There was debate whether to simply withdraw or if they should bleed Russia dry or not.
If they just withdrew then Pringles would still be alive. The best of Wagner's forces were killed, and many more were sent to Storm-Z battallions to die afterwards on Putin's orders.
>USA may not give Ukraine any more damn ammo until after the 2024 election
The clown fiesta in the US house may take a while longer but there is no way they keep stalling for a while year.
Anon, Pringles being killed by Russia is indisputable. Ukraine killed most of Wagner but it didn't kill Pringles. He got away pretty clean.
>It seems ruskies are going for another push
They can barely advance in fricking Avdiivka. They've been trying for "another push" this entire winter, just like last winter. They can certainly try.
its Zelenskiy's fault for introducing populist measures at the start like a ridiculously high conscription age, easy ways to evade, "2 more weeks" messaging, lack of domestic production initiatives and lack of media control in wartime
setting the country on a total war footing at the start when everyone was riled up would have been easier than now where people see it as ATO 2.0
unironically makes me wish Russhits would attack Kyiv again (and fail) just so people wake up
also i used to think the Zaluzhny thing was psyop fanfiction by russians (projecting wagner and/or gerasimov drama) but Zelenskiy cucking out of mobilization proposed by him makes me think theres some friction
he is pretty competent, and he didn't send men to the slaughter in the counteroffensive when it was clear it wouldn't work
It's no secret they are not a good terms for some time. Zaluzny also doesn't like Syrsky who is commanding southern front but can't remove him from position because political reasons.
What’s this thing with Syrsky?
He's despised by troops on the ground because he's using trusted Zigger tactics of "assault over minefields" and "holding untanable position" only in smaller scale.
>He's despised by troops on the ground because he's using trusted Zigger tactics of "assault over minefields"
Syrsky commanded single large scale offensive. Izum offensive where 32000 got routed in 5 days. But I'm sure such small details is not a problem for your fanfic
>Butenko
>Tarasova-Markina
What "source" is this, the Kremlin?
>source says
That said, sometimes you need to change your generals. Hitler did it (about a million times too much), Churchill and Stalin also did it. The US should have have ousted MacArthur but didnt for political resons.
Okay sure…but could you imagine what would /k/ do if Woody got sacked? Definitely not this statement.
>The US should have have ousted MacArthur but didnt for political resons.
MacArthur is the reason we have a massive unsinkable aircraft carrier parked next to China, show some respect. Japan could have wound up being a bitter enemy of the US forever, instead they're a close friend on China's doorstep, and we have MacArthur's choice of how to handle the occupation and reconstruction to thank for that.
Douglas MacArthur is probably the best general America ever had.
You can't say that on /k/ anymore anon.
Japan is nothing but a millstone. What business does the United States have with defending everyone else? We don't have the money for it, it's not in our constitution, and there is no will amongst the public to spend blood and treasure to do so. Leave Japan to the fate it deserves after trying to conquer all of Asia.
>frick having allies and shit across the globe, we should just let china take over the planet and pray they'll be merciful to us when we're all that's left!!!
It's so good that morons like you aren't in charge of our foreign affairs.
>What business does the United States have with defending everyone else?
you do it if you keep wanting those favourable trade agreements, for the US Dollar to be the world's reserve currency, for Wall Street to b e the world's biggest capital market, and for all the jobs and high salaries and cheap goods that you get as a result of all this
you don't want it? then surrender the superpower crown to China or Germany, and watch the US economy shrink to a fraction its current size and prepare to pay down that national debt for a couple of Lost Decades
USA gets like 100 dollars back for every dollar they spent into their alliance network, so every idiot saying "it's not worth it" is just an idiot or a vatnik shill.
I know he was assassinated on Putin's orders after the Wagner rebellion. But the Battle of Bakhmut is tied to everything. After Wagner became a shell of its former self, they were no longer needed and Putin was going to put them under the DoD command. That led to the Wagner revolt, leading to his assassination.
If Ukraine had orderly withdrew from Bakhmut, then Wagner would sweep in at full power, get to parade as heroes, and they'd still be fighting in the war.
Anon this part is really important. Putin assassinated someone in broad daylight inside Russian soil. He was not killed, by any means, by Ukraine. He was killed by Russia under Putin's orders.
I agree with you, I agree with the chain of events you've laid out, but we need to put the blame for Priggy's final skydive where it belongs: Putin.
>Douglas MacArthur
He was a virulent antisemite. May his memory be blotted out.
>He was a virulent antisemite.
based?
So he was extra based it seems.
bad if true, he's been doing pretty well given the circumstances
It's the old Soviet concept of keep purging generals till you find a Zhukov.
Not sure if it has any merits today but somehow it worked for Stalin.
If this was a game Zelenski would rolling the dices for a general with better stats
Ukraine has a moronic system where politicians still have the say over the military.
>most likely replacement is Budanov
LET'S FRICKING GOOOO!
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Not a good idea. I have immense respect for the guy but he's not military strategist and he's much more usefull in his current position.
From what I have heard the disagreement between him and Zalensky was that he wanted to moobilize about 500k Ukrainians to which contrary to what vatniks propagandised(that say the little israelite will fight to the last Ukrainian) Zelensky said no because it's too much since it could really hurt the population and damage the economy further.
Also there are rumours that his position was offered to both Budanov and Syrsky but both of the refused so things are leading to a potential leadership crisis internally.
the sad fact (which will probably be lost in all the screeching to follow) is that both are right
mobilising 500,000 Ukrainians will absolutely destroy the economy
not having 500,000 Ukrainian troops leaves a very thin line on the ground in case Russia breaks through
there really is no answer. sad to see them fall out over this.
>not having 500,000 Ukrainian troops leaves a very thin line on the ground in case Russia breaks through
Vatnik shill. Go leave
My mechanized company currently has 65 instead of the nominal 115. You morons have no idea what you're talking about
it's /chug/ falseflagging
that's why I usually don't post on Ukraine threads in /k/
they want to mobilise so they can get rotations going on
lmao i cant wait. he will launch a massive THD counteroffensive until they're all out of men. dont worry though he will do the occassional terrorist attack peremoga so you can celebrate online
>the first source of this news(week ago) was Kim dotcom
Don't worry, /k/ will keep discussing it as if it's real news because someone said it's true
the frick are you taking about the current thread is mocking the idea
Why wouldn't Syrskyi be promoted to that post?
Didn't Ukraine already renounce this rumor once?
I mean, I'm not suggesting that an "anonymous source" would lie, but they might be mistaken.
This is Zelensky purging his political rival.
Zaluzhny has been making moves recently that pissed off Zelensky (his recent MSM article where he called the war a "stalemate" for example) as well as other actions that endanger Zelensky's power.
As you guys point out Zaluzhny is very popular, and if things drag on he'll be replacing Zelensky soon.
If Zaluzhny had any balls he'd stage a coup.
He already declined the resignation initially showing he won't leave without a fight.
You dense motherfricker.
You cannot suddenly manifest the idea that Zaluzhny is interested in the role of President. He is not a political rival to Zelensky in terms of their system, but also, it's just not his deal.
Intellectually he is a contemporary world class general. It's all he has strived to be a craftman at. Zelensky knows that. The Ukrainian people, if they think of their president becoming 'unsuccessful' and 'unable to continue' for whatever reason mention Budanov.
I think Budanov will be a future president, but I think after his current mission is completed, and the war is over.
>Zaluzhny has been making moves recently that pissed off Zelensky (his recent MSM article where he called the war a "stalemate" for example) as well as other actions that endanger Zelensky's power.
The essay was really good, and a very honest appraisal of the war rather than some bullshit spin where they pretend everything is going swimmingly like how the Russians would act. That gave me a lot of respect for Zaluzhny. the article goes on to explain the rational steps needed to secure victory, which had a focus on more of everything. Ergo our goal is to ship as many modern and out-dated equipment to them stat.
Ultimately if zaluzhny is replaced, it will be because Zelensky wants a top commander with a "Do more with less" mindset, as opposed to Zaluzhny's "Do more with more" approach. Zelensky and other major ukrainian figures have been going hard on the idea that Ukraine can't counter the russian death waves with numbers and piles of steel, it has to be done by investing in affordable, high tech systems, or effective lower-tech systems that can be used en masse like ukraine's buzz bombs.
Zelensky will be replaced by April
(With head on stick in presedent palace.)
Will you eat your own shit if you're wrong this time?
I think most Ukrainians secretly want for this to happen and for Zaluzhny to cut some kind of a deal with Ruskies.
>I think most Ukrainians secretly want for thi
i think you're a zigger shill and a massive wienersucker, that you should prolly kys.
>you're zigger! Zigger!!! Aaaaaaa
You're borderline lunatics
That's only my personal opinion and I'm literally nobody and I'm not trying to force my opinion on anyone else so why shill anon?
Depends on the deal, I doubt the Russians are offering any that are close to acceptable
Why do you think that?
But they need more of everything as well as investing in novel high tech solutions that they're already using. They're damn near perfecting FPV UAV's and artillery strikes upon Russian attacks so that there is only a trickle of fighters alive when they reach Ukraine lines. They're taking 1:4 or 1:20 losses in Ankiivky and Krinky because of that. The endless wave of russians to their death eliminates the best Russian tech. Then on top of that, endless barage of cruise missiles into Crimea and elsewhere.
>Zelensky was trying to keep that momentum but Zaluzhny fricked it up. He called it what it is, an unwinnable stalemate unless you want to bleed everyone dry (Ukraine of men, and the west of funds).
It's better than bullshit lies, since the failure to make progress in the south is an utter embarrasment. And it's due to lack of equipment that they previously requested so the stance should be "See? We told you so. We told you we wanted 600+ modern European-American IFV, and hundreds more tanks than we got."
And they should focus on the progress in Crimea, and the good the cruise missiles are doing. When Ukraine has the equipment, they put it to good use.
They've already killed Prigzhozhin, Gerisomov is missing, half of VDV is dead, half of Russia's top tanks are gone, they lose fighters weekly now. The bleeding of Russia's best equipment and talent is ongoing.
>They've already killed Prigzhozhin
They didn't do shit to pringles anon. He was shot down, ahem his plane had a sudden explosive decompression, well inside Russian airspace. If they were capable of killing him in that location they would have killed literally any other Russian general or even Putin/Shoigu.
Again we're talking "I can sneak a bomb onto the plane of whoever I want"/"I can sneak a Buk between Moscow and St Petersburg" level. It was Russia under Putin's orders 100%.
Yes but this is a 2-way street; Russia has been upgrading, improving and getting their act together constantly at the same time. They hustled like crazy to boost military production and bring in foreign-sourced weapons. They mobilized an army of lawyers and consultants to set up sanction evasion on a MASSIVE scale to the point EU’s sanction inspectors admit that they literally don’t have the resources to go after every evasion scam. Putin is flogging all parts of the economy into action for the war and the FSB is up everyone’s asses to control corruption and un-frick their military. The Pentagon made the analysis early in the war that the Russian’s problems were self-inflicted and that they will solve them over time. Ukraine is also improving but they’re starting MASSIVELY behind Russia in this contest.
I know Peter Zeihan said years ago that this was Russia's war to lose, and that Russians start every conflict like this. Bumble through the early parts, lose so many men and equipment it seems hopeless, then they mass mobilize and send wave after wave to overwhelm the defenders until they win. And like past conflicts like The Crimean War they will keep fighting until they literally cannot, so they won't stop after taking insane losses.
So he's turning out to be right again, and I hate it. Russia could lose 3/4 of their top leadership, their best units, their best planes, their best ships, 50% of the black sea fleet, but as long as they either grind Ukraine down or outright annex it they will win.
Ukraine is just too small for this to go solo. They need more. I can't see a way out unless someone sends them a few hundred thousand troops and their modern army along with it.
CNN is claiming insider anonymous sources inside Ukraine government. Could be some secretary, or an officer.
>this was Russia's war to lose
Lose like US in Vietnam or lose like Germany in ww2? I doubt any of those will happen since they'll not leave Ukraine and they'll not capitulate. Everything will probably finish Korea style with what is basically a draw.
You assume the political class likes honesty.
That article was like spitting into Zelensky's soup making it 1000% harder for Zelensky to secure more foreign aid. Remember in the beginning when Europe didn't want to help because they thought it was pointless and the war would be over in a week? Remember how they changed their minds after Ukraine was making quick gains and started sending help? Well they're having serious doubts again.
Zelensky was trying to keep that momentum but Zaluzhny fricked it up. He called it what it is, an unwinnable stalemate unless you want to bleed everyone dry (Ukraine of men, and the west of funds).
Don't get triggered, screenshot the post and in 6 months you'll see I was mostly right.
This is the only correct answer here and everyone will hate you because of that.
>If Zaluzhny had any balls he'd stage a coup.
They would look insane, foolish, and would lose support. The whole point is that this is a democratic system under assault.
If you legitimately browse /k/, and you read those articles, and your vatnik alarm didn't go off, what the frick is wrong with you?
My biggest issue the western journalists who went with this story won't be tarred and feathered. Journos are usually fully aware of what they're doing in terms of the validity of their copy. All of these guys know they're vomiting bullshit from the kremlin.
If I was a Russian glowie though, I would be a little worried though. Because while the world might be capivated by this horseshit, Ukraine has been pulling crazier and crazier shit over the skies of Kherson and Crimea, virtually un opposed. They have been able to bring boats close enough to launch significant drone attacks against Crimea. Closer and closer.
In fact if you look at what has been happening for over a month now you can see a fairly definitive direction this is all heading. But it's like instead of all the hype everyone is nice and distracted? Russia isn't really reacting they're kinda just crumbling? Even for Russia?
Definitely a time to fire a hero of Ukraine. Definitely likely.
They disagree over the fundamental details, which are only really a problem now that they've lost their momentum. Previously, disagreeing over risky manoeuvres and a broader draft were problems for the future, and now it's the future.
Zelensky is willing to risk failure if it means a chance at seriously weakening Russian control over certain areas, if it means keeping the draft from becoming an issue which seriously harms public support. Zaluzhny wants to create an entire new army group, risking public backlash and materiel-shortages, in order replicate the success of previous counter-offensives that didn't require dire concentration of forces.
In the end, Zelensky thinks he has limited time and support from the West, and wants to try to smash softer targets to create openings along the lines. Zaluzhny thinks he can get by with dwindling support and believes he can grind down the frontlines until they collapse.
Gonna go out on a limb and say the general wants the war over and done with, admitting Ukraine can't sustain the current losses, despite the ratios in play, and Zelensky's refusal to discuss a peace accord means more and more Ukrainian men die every day and more infrastructure gets destroyed.
trying too hard moron
>Zaluzhny "wants the war over and done with"
>but is clamoring for 500,000 more conscripts to use
Dumb.
>Gonna go out on a limb and say the general wants the war over and done with
True. By creating a much larger army, and carry out the mass infantry assaults that'll actually allow Ukraine to win the war.
No more super potato?
Russians with Attitude has reported that Ukrainian line has collapsed. 98% of Ukraine is under Russia control.
>source says
Lol you people are so fricking moronic. It was obvious a few days ago when Zaluzhny and zelensky met and there were sources in the presidential administration that leaked it.
But you all were smug and self-indulgent, the mods even deleted the thread. You should be more modest because your smug posting is becoming insufferable.
I'm that Ukrainian who you often call an fsb spy for being skeptical of your moronic optimism
/k/opers usually deny reality until it's 2 weeks old. They'll come around, just give them some time to go through the steps.
>But you all were smug and self-indulgent
I wonder what the reason could have been? Perhaps Zaluzhnyi and Zelensky's office both denying it? But surely you have a better evidence than that, right? This evidence is why you are so smug about this "news m" at the very moment, right? And when nothing happens again you will have a nice day like a moronic troony that you are, right?
I saw this rumor circulate in both UA and RU media and on Twitter a few days back
I wouldn't be surprised if CNN just reported on an already dead rumor
Western media has been terrible when it came to Ukraine since 2014, never trust those morons whether they're reporting on Russian incompetence or doomposting
>Zelensky’s top general, Valery Zaluzhny, described the battlefield situation in November as a “stalemate,” a comment that reportedly angered Zelensky. Acrimony between the two men exploded into the headlines this week when Zelensky reportedly fired – then rehired – Zaluzhny, all while Kiev’s censorship office dismissed the story as a baseless rumor aimed at “destroying the unity of Ukrainian society.”
>According to British newspaper The Times, Zaluzhny’s position was offered to Budanov, who declined. Had Zelensky replaced Zaluzhny with Budanov, he would have swapped a cynic with someone who shares his “messianic” belief in a military victory over Russia, as Zelensky’s aides described his vision in a Time magazine article last year.
>It is unclear whether Zaluzhny, like Budanov, believes that Ukraine will be able to launch a counteroffensive this spring.
Ruskies media saying on the matter...
zelensky is past his expiration date, he has turned into a dictator.. they should have elections, but he has banned all elections. how can we say russia is a dictatorship, and ignore zelensky banning elections and banning the russian language? it appears to me suddenly that both side are not better than the other sides
To summarize the problems of the counter offensive:
1. USA-Europe gave mostly extra equipment meant to be phased out, which is only good enough for a start. They never adopted a war-footing, and they needed to give an order of magnitude more of everything.
2. Ukraine got too wienery with early successes, and let Russia defend for months in the South.
3. USA-Europe also got wienery, and thought an armor blitz in the south could work through minefields.
4. The extent of the mine-fields didn't seem to be known until after the attack started.
5. They kept pushing anyways until Robotyne at great losses.
So it seems that they should have instead kept pushing the south instead of giving the Russians pause, and that NATO countries should have given 10x more IFV and light tanks.
US wanted Ukraine to fail. No other reason. The only question is why.
>IFV and light tanks.
no
the missing piece was always aerial superiority
Delusional Vatnik. Russia's economy is on the brink of imminent collapse. We just need to keep funding Ukraine for a few more months.
You should be asking yourself why you got banned for posting something that was true...