You may not like it, but this is objectively the best gun for home defence.
Good stopping power (.45 acp)
Compact (good for hallway corridors)
Accurate
Big clip size
easy to repair drywall afterwards
Agreed?
You may not like it, but this is objectively the best gun for home defence. Good stopping power (.45 acp)
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>Big clip size
Frick ya mudda
You may not like it but your opinion is wrong. For me it's the apc10 pro. 10mm is way better than aarp.
I kinda like it actually...
You can get it in acp too if you source more acp. I reload 10mm and buy more of it though. I do like both rounds.
Is it straight blowback or delayed?
A buddy bought a blowback 10mm upper and honestly that thing fricking scares me.
It's just a bit too hot for a non-lock operation. Kind of felt like there was more noise and flame coming out of the ejection port than the end of the barrel. :/
Its direct blowback with some proprietary recoil buffer spring system behind the bolt
See I like the concept in theory for sure, and own a G29 with a G20 length barrel that I'm fond of so I have a bit of 10mm laying around, but that's really pushing the limits of acceptable for me.
S&B 10mm ammo is fine in it, but even the Sig target stuff leaves you wondering if you want to keep going.
Some of the cases come out and won't roll straight on a table anymore because they've got a taper, the bolt is obviously pushing rearward while the pressure is still up there.
I think if he ever shot real service loads or the underwood shit he'd literally be picking pieces of brass out of his forehead.
You need a 20-22lbs recoil spring. Glock is locked breach not blowback.
No my Glock is fine, I've got an aftermarket fully supported extended barrel and heavy recoil spring in there already.
I'm talking about my buddy's 10mm blowback upper.
It's NOT fine. He's got a heavy buffer and spring in there too, and it's still scary.
Straight blowback, basically the modern-day UMP.
Direct hydraulic
Do they make one in .40S&W?
Imagine this with an ak underfolding stock
Black person underfolders are some of the most uncomfortable stocks to use, and are only marginally beneficial if you're mechanised or airborne.
I’d go with an MP5, myself. Submachine guns in general would be ideal home defense weapons if not for the tyrannical jackasses in government
>Submachine guns in general would be ideal home defense weapons if not for the tyrannical jackasses in government
Actually shotguns are. It is just you are a gay.
No good auto shotguns besides benelli tho.
>Good stopping power (.45 acp)
It's no better than any other standard pistol round according to real-world shooting data. Might as well go with 9mm to get more capacity.
>Compact (good for hallway corridors)
True but largely irrelevant.
>Accurate
>Big clip size
Not exceptionally so, but certainly adequate.
>easy to repair drywall afterwards
A hollowpoint fired from a pistol is more of an overpenetration risk than a 556 from a rifle or 00 from a shotgun.
You also didn't even bother to mention the most important thing about your gun for HD: it has a stock.
>Actually shotguns are
Video games and hollywood aren't reality, anon. Nobody is going to tell you a shotgun is a poor home defense weapon, but the idea that it's better than a carbine is just absurd.
There's zero reason to cuck yourself with a pistol round for home defense. At home you have no need to conceal the weapon.
It's not "american" vs "elsewhere". It's "new" vs "old". Old homes are more solid than new homes. USA has mostly new homes because it's a relatively young country. But if you look at new construction going on in Europe and Asia it's just as Ikea-tier as North American 2x4's and sheetrock.
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Doesn't seem to be a problem for real-life shootings.
Pistol calibers are also not a problem for real life shootings.
I mean, unless you’re expecting a home invader in body armor, I don’t see a big disadvantage in using a full auto smg. You could easily hose someone with lead using something like a suppressed MP5.
.45 is subsonic meaning you won't frick your hearing nearly as bad as anything else.
>carbines are better for home defense
wat in tarnation? How in the world is one rifle round better than shot at <50 yards? Please explain.
I appreciate that you're trying, you just need to try harder.
You didn't present any evidence as to why carbines are better. Shotgun is simple
>more projectiles
>more wounding
>more likelyhood of hitting something vital
>more blood loss
Do you own guns?
Yes, do you?
Still haven't provided a single argument for why carbines are superior than shotguns for HD.
I'm starting to think you legitimately don't have one.
Actually I was talking about your fuddlore regarding 45, but I can address carbines too.
Recoil, capacity, and lesser but still more than adequate one shot stopping potential for center mass shots. There's a reason the military doesn't use shotguns.
Tell me, how much do you think shot spreads at HD ranges? And how much quieter do you think 45 is?
I never claimed shotguns were bad at the job, oh master of pussy slaying.
If American house had proper walls. But they don't. Why in a nation that is great in many ways do the houses not have proper walls? Why are American houses built of crap and interior decoration?
At the end of the day the only real thing Euros have in life is to whine about is that walls in houses they don't own in a country they don't live in aren't built to their substandard way.
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Frick my mudda
I mean, I kinda like it. Nice, compact, easy to store and has a stock. Ok, salesanon, what is the name of this firearm?
out of the way homosexuals, best home defense weapon coming through
>9 rounds when ghost loaded
>ergonomic tang mounted safety
>low, receiver mounted red dots
>equipped for a light and a sling out of the box
>most likely one shot stop of any common weapon
why haven’t you seen the superiority of the semi auto shotgun anon?
the only improvement imo would be a twenty inch barrel and eight round tube, same as on certain 590s
that’s not a glock fiddy
The frick is this salvador dali shit?
...what rock do you live under to have never encountered a vector?
>Hey bro you know that gun that was entirely built around compensating the recoil of full auto fire? Yeah let's pay $1500 for one in semi auto!
Binary trigger, homosexual.
More like binary cope. $400 for a trigger that will simulate janky, inconsistent full auto because you can't consistently press the trigger at every shot and even if you could you still couln't reach 1200 rounds per minute.
Seems pretty good to me. Certainly enough to take advantage of the recoil system. But go ahead, show us your full auto guns, anon.
Impressive trigger finger
That doesn't even sound faster than 500 rpm. I've shot faster with single stage triggers on my ar. But you do you, $400 trigger coper.
Lol ok moron
>Getting defensive over a $400 trigger
Not him, but the "binary" trigger for the vector is moronicly unsafe. It's just a stock trigger that they dremel down so that there isn't enough material to catch the hammer on the reset. Been patiently waiting for someone to release a proper one but that'll probably never happen.
Back up your claims. Post guns
You're objectively wrong but I love the vector so I'm not going to correct you
>easy to repair drywall afterwards
If you're actually using this in self-defense there's no way you're going to give a single shit about damage to the drywall.
This just makes me think that you're a paranoid freak who often shoots in his house for little to no reason.
ITT: people suggesting guns theyve never even touched
I own mine, where are yours?
>tfw no full auto p90
cant wait for bruen precedent to knock down machine gun restrictions
>better stopping power
>more compact
>more accurate (longer barrel lmao)
>exactly the same clip
>same drywall to repair (neighbor down the street's drywall is not my problem)
Needs a stock (or brace). The only reason to use a pistol over a pistol+stock/brace (or "pistol caliber carbine") is concealability, which is not an issue in your own home.
The benefits of having a stock are too big to ignore.
>(neighbor down the street's drywall is not my problem)
lol
Good stopping power (because .32 is fine and handgun caliber "stopping power" is a meme anyway)
Compact (compact enough to fit in a holster)
Accurate (enough for any realistic civilian use case)
Big mag size (20 rounds, more than enough)
Easy to repair drywall afterwards
When will America take the Skorpionpill?
When the Hughes Amendment gets challenged and ruled unconstitutional following Bruen.
I'll own many machine pistols once nfa leaves this plane of existence
Don't anon. Don't make me hope. The pain will be too great if it fails.
someone here pointed out to me that having that complicated recoil system in a semi is a bit like owning a sportscar that caps at 70mph
Why would you ever do that to yourself
It isn't complicated. It just moves downward. It isn't even something other than direct blowback. If you want actual recoil mitigation you go roller, the Vector isn't even good at its namesake.
If that's the case, why do competition pistols which are semiauto or manually operated put the barrel down in line with the shooter's hand unless it's disallowed by the ruels? Could it be that lowering the barrel axis is one of the basic, 100% backed-by-physics easy ways to reduce muzzle rise?
Kriss tries to sell the recoil weight as the magic recoil device but the actual stability of the gun comes from the muzzle being inline with the hand instead of above. It's physically impossible to "redirect the recoil" like Kriss says they up/down weight does, while lowering the barrel axis is the simplest trick in the book.
I prefer one-handing my full-auto Yugo M84 like a champ.