"You absolutely need the priciest gear for serious outings" - Outdoor retail stores and social media influencers, probably
"You absolutely need the priciest gear for serious outings" - Outdoor retail stores and social media influencers, probably
"You absolutely need the priciest gear for serious outings" - Outdoor retail stores and social media influencers, probably
This picture was taken 100 feet from the trailhead.
Why would bring up facts and logic?
>facts
>I have never before encountered people at 4'000 meters wearing sneakers and jeans... and being absolutely ignorant of the risks they were running"
Really? Chinese and Koreans do this all the time in Tahoe and at Whitney. They try to get onto a peak in the snow and they turn into a SAR case. Whitney was having tons of issues with this a few years ago.
4000m in the Sierra is very different from 4000m in the Alps
4000m in the Alps is serious glaciated terrain
Notice how nobody else commented. Think about that next time, before you post.
Of the 9000 times I've seen that photo this is the first time I've seen the article. Congrats on not posting a source. And congrats on posting an article that doesn't describe the picture.
Congrats on being such an idiot that you can't figure out how to search for the article using the text in the image.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/08/24/italian-mountaineers-criticise-day-trippers-tackling-alpine/
Spoonfeeding is exactly why people don't look shit up, anon. Next time let him figure it out on his own; it'll be good for him.
>italians absolutely mogged by chad couple out for a casual stroll at 4K meters
>mario and the gang try to get them to go home so that the pride of italy can remain intact
>tourists won't stop winning, continue their meander without the aid of industrial spaghetti harnesses and sauce reserves
Fricking based
Fr, clutch asl
English motherfricker, do you speak it?
>European mountains are tame as frick
>PrepHole is absolutely shocked
Everything that’s considered cannon or colloquial wisdom regarding the outdoors is from the US. Europeans are fricking clueless.
Yes, like on those easy gainless Alpine routes. Give us a break, mutt.
If there’s a place where climbing to an altitude of 4000 meters is a walk in the park, it’s the US.
t. hiked to the highest point of New Mexico at 9 yrs. old in little boy walking shoes, cargo trousers and a t-shirt
Yeah and you can drive to the summit of Mt. Blue Sky in Colorado. Since the one you did as a child was easy, and there’s one you can literally drive to, that unequivocally proves that literally every tall mountain in the US is easy, right?
Nope, it just goes to show that your initial statement was ill-founded and hypocritical.
Original statement:
>Everything that’s considered cannon or colloquial wisdom regarding the outdoors is from the US. Europeans are fricking clueless.
The rebuttal:
>there are also easy mountain in the US
>and Europe has tall ones!
This isn’t even an attempt at a rebuttal.
Original statement:
>European mountains are tame as frick
Rebuttal:
>a 9-year-old can hike up US mountains in summer clothes at altitudes where European mountains are glaciated and require mountaineering skills and equipment to traverse
>European mountains are glaciated and require mountaineering skills and equipment to traverse
They aren’t. See: OP
Clueless.
>multiple instances of people casually strolling on euroshit mountains, confirmed by euroshit mountaineers
>if you point it out you're clueless
I guess the mountaineers are clueless as well
And moronic. Not that it's a rarity for a mutt.
>anyone who makes fun of europe is obviously american
Rent free
Anyone out of Europe is either a mutt or brown, regardless of that you outed yourself as not having any significant outdoors experience.
>long distance hiking
The US is the premiere destination. Thousands of young people do it every year. The European equivalent is road walking between hostels. Not even close.
>ultralight backpacking
Weird niche, but barely exists in Europe. Nearly all innovative designs and materials are coming from the US.
>mountaineering
Not even a competition. The US is the premier destination of the two, being lightyears beyond what Europe has to offer.
>hunting and fishing
Lol
>kayaking
Outside of sea kayaking, which the US has in spades, does anyone even bother in Europe? The US has vast waterways and truly epic wetlands in the South (Florida has a population of over 20 million).
>access to wilderness
I mean, come on
Which one is better is a matter of opinion. But the fact remains that all outdoor recreation is more popular in the US. And it’s not just a slight edge; it’s a truly vast difference. That’s led to having more people who are more knowledgeable about the subject.
Poor bait.
Can’t counter it, huh?
Stay mad, Eurohomosexual.
Counter what, 52%er? We have some of the most technical climbs in the world. You're either a moron or a troll and a moron. You're wasting everyone's time with inane crap.
>Counter what
Damn, you didn’t even get the point to begin with.
>muh technical climbs that I’ve never even thought of attempting
Cope more
Still blabbering. Not even a mutt can be that stupid.
anyone in europe is dirt poor and getting cucked by a brown
Poor mutt or brown detected.
>I don't know what altitude is: the post
pottery
>picks the ~200th highest peak in the lower 48
>which is also a ski resort
>did it during a season/day with good weather
>implies that this is somehow representative of mountains in the US in general
the fun just never stops here
No you see, physics and weather are different in america because burgers
He's right though. There's a cable cart there which takes you to 3,800 meters.
It’s pointless to argue on PrepHole. It’s populated by hopeless morons. They see an article in response to a picture and assume the two are related. It’s fricking dad.
>I’ve never before encountered people at 4km wearing jeans and sneakers
Just go to the restaurant. Also proves that Europeans don’t give two shits about conservation and it has nothing to do with the country being old and developed. Here they had a pristine mountain top, far removed from everything, so they put a fricking cable car to the top along with a restaurant. “Haha, frick you.”
>Europeans
In the same way mutts "cared" about chestnut trees? People are at the mercy of those with money, everywhere.
Now take your ego babble to congress.
This isn't outside of a conservation measure, so long as it is managed in a way that it is still available for future generations to enjoy. If you wanted it to remain untouched the term is preservation.
What part of "climbing a snow covered peak" in the article's caption don't you understand? Not "went for a quick stroll from a cable car station" but "climbed a snow covered peak". God damn you are fricking stupid.
The only part you're correct about is that PrepHole is populated with hopeless morons (thanks to people like you).
The article doesn’t say that.
The photo and caption ("a woman CLIMBING a snow covered peak in jeans") are both in the article that was was posted here
First, it’s paywalled. So there’s that.
Also
>climbing
>walking up a path
Not the same thing. Please have a nice day.
Not the anon you're replying to but don't move the goalposts. It just makes you sound like a pathetic redditor.
>it said it in the article
Ok, where?
>behind this paywall
She went for a quick stroll. Stop being moronic.
>She went for a quick stroll
You don't know that. The caption right below the photo says otherwise. But no, we should totally believe some random mouthbreathing inbred from PrepHole because he doesn't want to accept that some brown woman in street clothing mogs the everliving frick out of him in the mountains
stfu homosexual
Stay triggered, inbred
Try this then
https://www.yahoo.com/news/italian-mountaineers-criticise-day-trippers-161253553.html
>walking up a path
If you classify that as simply "walking up a path" then that makes those "alpinists" look even more pathetic that they'd need all that gear to do that
>Please have a nice day.
Your mom would get too lonely at night then
Intsall the noscript extention and forget about israeliternos begging for alms. Also get decentraleyes and ublock origin.
Bahahah. In Slovenia we have increasing numbers of serious injuries and deaths every year of ill equipped tourists climbing our two thousenders in flip flops and whatnot, keeping the mountain rescue teams quite busy. To witness someone treading snow intending to summit Matterhorn while dressed for going to the store must be comical.
Pardon me, i didnt know about the station up there.
Accessibility was a mistake
>Be me, volunteer SAR in US rockies
Social media has made people stupid. People do zero research, then set out with a bottle of water, pocket knife (maybe) and some odds and ends in their purse to summit a 14er that's 12 miles in length and gains 6000 feet in elevation. What could go wrong? Then 6 miles in and 4000 feet up they get tired, dehydrated, don't have proper gear, and weather starts to blow in because that's what happens in the afternoons. Or it gets dark and they have no headlamp, and don't get cell service.
I think people are getting stupider too. It's also a major budget concern, Colorado was running expenses at 500% of their SAR budget trying to save the idiots. Helicopters and med staff cost $$$$$$$.
Indeed, there's also many covid tourists that used to be contained in their shithole cities and have now discovered the outdoors exists.
They're also usually grossly out of shape or boomers.
I wonder if things will become normal anywhere in the near future.
Why not just put up a sign like the diver sign
>this is a wilderness zone. abandon all hope ye who enter here. only the strongest will survive (seriously no rescues, no refunds)
Why keep wasting money on morons besides risking increasing the local scavenger population?
In some places on the Alps you have to pay after calling mountain rescue, either in part or in full.
Doesn't stop imbeciles for being that, of course.
The odd thing is that a lot of 14ers are outright easy. I can understand a normie being way out of their depth on a class 4 but I'd imagine most rescue calls are for class 1 or 2s or something. Which is funny since those don't really call for a lot of preparation or physical fitness. Do I give people too much credit?
hey i got a question, what's a decent elevation you are supposed to be able to do in a day for real mountaneering? how much are real alpinists are capable of doing. for example, if i want to summit a high mountain in the alps (say 4k meters high, which is 13k feet high for you americans)
reason i'm asking is i've improved a lot since when i started, the other day i did 1000 meters elevation in a day without getting tired, although knees still hurt in the way back. but i wonder how much more i should aim to improve
There's nothing you're supposed to do unless it's technical terrain, it's a hobby.
There are guides that describe routes, including their difficulty rating and estimated duration. Start with an easy mountain and if you can climb it within the estimated time, you can advance to mountains that require more skill/time.
it only really becomes mountaineering once you get very technical. If you're simply hiking an established trail to the summit then you're more than fine. Doing 1km of elevation gain with minimal effort is pretty good honestly, although there of course are other variables like overall distance and grade. Where would the trail start for your hypothetical 4km peak?
>Where would the trail start for your hypothetical 4km peak?
that's part of my point, that i don't know how it works in real 4km peaks. for example say you park your car at 2km elevation and the terrain is not very technical, do people split it in 3 days and do one km the first day, another the second up the summit, and the third day to go back down? or are the people who are used to do these kind of peaks much stronger than me, and it would be normal to do the whole thing in a single day
2km is doable in one day if it's a YDS class 1, 2 or even 3, but you would have to spend literally all day on the trail. Like it will take 8 hours to ascend and then another 6-7 to descend. To some very capable hikers this would be doable, but you need to know your abilities. I would judge this to be on the limit of my personal capability, so I would choose to split that into an overnighter. Maybe do 1-1.5km the first day, start early on day 2 to get a nice sunrise at the summit, and then the rest of the descent.
But if it gets technical like a YDS class 4 or 5, or like you're crossing any glaciers or something then that would probably require more time.
When we did the Tongariro crossing in NZ I was blown away by the amount of morons there just because it's a day hike. Got down to the other side at 2ish after a solid 5 hours for a bunch of us who were really fit and there were evil black clouds looming over the mountain behind us. Dozens of people were still heading up there to start at 2pm dressed in casual clothes, some without any extra clothes, food or water, no pack at all, including one mother with a fricking baby in a backpack baby carrier who we managed to turn around. They must pull so many moronic c**ts off that mountain.
You can walk any track in good conditions.
Source, walked and other NZ tracks. Some people run them in singlets.
Loads are technical, but there’s a lot of them that are entirely fine to walk in jeans and cotton shirts and without gear, so long as you’re aware, and conditions are good.
Thing is, the longer and higher you go, the higher the odds become of finding not good conditions, and the more likely you are to get mentally drained and stop thinking.
In this sense, the meme is to pack for all foreseeable conditions, so you can push on and not die a noob death to fricking hypothermia. It’s also easier to teach than a risky “I won’t need X” mentality that should be reserved for locals.
This is extra important for guides as they tend to deal with people that are new to walking all day, know next to nothing about outdoorsy stuff, and are a danger to themselves.
For comparison, the landSAR group I’m with ascribes to the whole “gear for everything” philosophy generally, and especially to the public hiker due to missing being impossible to prep for and need to support a lost person, but they don’t give a shit if you as an operative go on a training mission with improper or insufficient gear, so long as you don’t die or show you’re a moron. Everyone’s local, experienced, know the area, and have been caught out without critical shit before.
Mountain guides are well known for being salty c**ts. They hate climbers who prefer to go on their own, and they'll always whine and moan when someone doesn't take every single nanny precaution imaginable. They are uppity and think they own the mountain.
French mountain guides are probably the worst in this regard and were constantly complaining that Kilian Jornet was climbing the Mont Blanc in shorts and trail-running shoes and encouraging copy-cats. That's why he finally emigrated to Norway.
I can only imagine. My first and only rock climbing instructor was a massive prick whose attitude turned me off from the sport as a teenager.
>was a massive prick
What did he say/do?
this underlying condescension and smugness is also why I don't like shopping at REI.
the worse is when they use the same logic on dead or rescued people.
>OMG he had gym shoes and jeans!
meanwhile 10x that numbers of deaths and incidents are overconfident people with hitec gears
In ideal conditions their are a lot of things you can do without expensive equipment.
Better hope those conditions don't deteriorate though, or you are dead.
i agree that op should go into the mountains in winter wearing jeans
You only need gear once you have discovered the real use case for it through first hand experience.
>you only need warm clothes once you've gotten hypothermia and died
Mmm, yes
Nice fallacy
You work up to hardcore winter camping until you can do it in mid-late January and expect to be comfortable.
>once you have discovered
My dad taught me fishing, hiking and climbing. Gramps taught my dad. I'll teach my kids if I ever get any.
>he wasn't 100% self-taught
Self taught is one of those backhanded compliments like "you look like you bought your furniture". It just means you're pretty bad at it and have 50 noob bad habits built in. Not like "school of hard knocks" people actually take on anything contrary to what they believe in so continue to burble and crawl about.
>It just means you're pretty bad at it and have 50 noob bad habits built in
This doesn't apply to everyone. It's not that difficult to learn from videos, reading, and experience.
>i learned from videos and reading, so i'm self taught
>you learned from listening to someone in person, so you're not self taught
You were directly self-taught. There's a huge difference between someone who learns auto mechanics from his father vs. someone who spends his time reading manuals, watching how-to videos, and tinkering with his vehicle in his spare time. The same applies to learning how to fish, hunt, identify plants, climb, kayak, ride MTBs, or whatever.
meant to say directly taught, not self-taught obviously
self taught is trial error and logic. otherwise you learned from someone else
You don't know what you're talking about.
Don't ask me to spoonfeed you the Wikipedia link either.
you don't seriously think that this wiki article is the authority on the blanket concept of self-teaching, right? Also, informal education from a parent grandparent (which was the context of the exchange) would fall outside of the bounds of formal or institutional education that you've cited.
It's more of an authority than some loser on PrepHole posting from his mother's basement.
Show me a definition of autodidacticism that includes parental instruction. You can't because nobody in the world besides autistic, contrarian frickwits on PrepHole would consider that to be self-learning.
Most people would take self taught, at least now-a-days, as "I watched a YouTube video".
But I see your point. Times have changed is all
No feedback loop = self though.
Simple as
OK and hopefully your kids learn through experience that they don't need to spend a fortune on a fishing rod and tackle.
So you don't need shoes until you walk around without them, at which point you do need them? Are your feet super tough up until that point or something?
Disingenuous. The point is that you don't need hiking boots or snow gear until you know they'd be necessary for more demanding activities. And even after you work your way up to those activities, you'll have a more realistic intuition for what is actually essential versus what is just a meme thing to have. Most normies and people on nuPrepHole only stick to manicured trails at their local park which only require a pair of sneakers and jeans, and a hoodie, yet they feel the need to drop a thousand dollars at REI because they only know how to imitate what they see in marketing.
This is probably the best advice for new hikers. It will keep you from spending a shitton on gear you dont actually need. There is a huge disconnect between people's expected use vs actual use. This goes for UL, bushcraft, stealthcamping or whatever.
So a person could go do whatever activities, and as long as nobody told them them that they needed different equipment, they wouldn't actually need it, but as soon as someone pointed out that they needed something, then they would need it. So the goal is to avoid talking to anyone about what you're doing so you need as little gear as possible.
nice reading comprehension
aside from your sophistry, I literally walked around on concrete and gravel and asphalt barefoot as a kid. rode my bike barefoot too. eventually it became socially unacceptable to not wear shoes at a certain age and I started wearing them
Good thing nobody told you that you needed shoes when you were a kid, because then you would have needed them and would have been fricked without them
thought I didn't need spikes on a bit of ice in the Smokies. REI told me that too
2 surgeries later and I avoid ice like the plague
just slow down on ice and keep your balance centered, not forward or back. you're fricked if it's windy though
How you finna get called the n word three times in that other thread and not even respond breh
for day trips? wear whatever makes you comfortable
for 24+ hrs in wilderness? hope you dont mind losing toes
they're right though. why do you hate gears? are you poor?
"I care about how other people are spending their time and money" - Some nerd on the internet who never leaves his basement
they probably went most of the way up in a cable car, no? it's completely normal to do that and then trek outside for a while if there's good weather and the snow is good. i did a similar thing once, on the way back to the cable car a guy saw that i had trail runners and no walking sticks or anything and commented "impressive, impressive" in broken english
I just call them to pick me upm, no biggie.
paki porters in the Karakoram wear jeans and sneakers but YOU need all that expensive gear to navigate your normie trails?
They probably aren't as comfy as me while doing it, though.
Plus it makes me feel happy to wear nice stuff 🙂
Wear don't overlap skills& knowledge.
That's why modern NASA can't do anything.
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All the ones I've encountered are typically day trippers who are about 10km from their cars. They can reach the top of some peaks, but are forced to head back on steeper sections where ice axes, crampons are required.
Kek, he's going to infect you with the Gram counting mind virus.
i just take free gear left in the donation bin left in backpacker's hostels, or for $5 from 2nd hand stores.
when a piece of gear is getting old or starts to fail i donate it and get another freebie
>backpacker's hostels
Is that normal on Europe?
Never heard of them and donating gear to strangers.
They’re normal along the AT and a few other long trails.
Yeah, you usually don't, but I've almost died to hypothermia due to using shit gear (just a jacket and jeans)
Broke through the ice on a lake, in -15 C, had to walk down from the mountain about 5 miles soaking wet.
However, you can get very good gear for decent prices if you know what to look for and how to use it right.
Wool base and mid layers are not necessarily that expensive, your don't need to get some expensive membrane outer layer.
I prefer cotton/poly blend with no membrane and just carry a rain jacket in my pack.
There's one expensive piece of gear that I'll be getting before next fall, Jervenduk, which is basically a heavy duty emergency blanket with a zipper.
Can be used as an emergency blanket, a makeshift shelter, bivvy bag and probably a few more things, very practical.
It's a $3-500 glorified tarp, but I know from search and rescue operations how bad it can get on the tundra here, and this glorified tarp have saved some lives over the years.
You almost died from breaking through ice on a lake.
That too, was pretty stressful, the ice broke many times when I tried to hoist myself up.
Had to spread my wieght out over a larger area to not break the ice, and my brother couldn't come help me up due to the danger.
Hypothermia was far worse than the dip in the water though, that really fricking sucked.
>falls through the ice in cotton jeans
>walks for miles soaking wet and hypothermic
>lives to post about it
Cotton chads just can't stop winning
Gotta be honest with you here, didn't exactly feel like a winner at that point.
But just had to take a quick ride in early winter with my snowmobile, was young and stupid.
Wool actually have some insulative properties when wet, cotton is the worst thing in that scenario, and you usually wear something over that wool.
And if you were wearing wool pants they miraculously wouldn't have gotten soaked or wouldn't have frozen in -15 weather
Your chances of surviving with wet wool pants are much higher than wet jeans or polyester pants.
Couple weeks ago I was wearing my wool lined boots with thick wool socks when I fell through a large iced over puddle on an ATV trail (being a moron obviously). The water went right up to my knees and gave me a full on soaker. I still managed to hike another hour and finish my trip without turning back early. My body heat warmed the wet socks/liner enough so that it was just mildly uncomfortable instead of limb-threatening, which it would have been had I been wearing polyester-lined boots with cotton or polyester socks.
funny because Ive done something similar on more than one occasion while wearing cotton socks and lightweight shoes, and my body heat kept my feet warm for the rest of the trip.
was it an overnight trip? what's the longest you stopped moving?
longer than your hour-long b***h hike, i promise you that
That was a different anon. I'm guessing you weren't in sub-freezing weather. We cotton is a serious net-negative on insulation. You'd be warmer being naked than being clothed in wet cotton.
Im gonna need a citation for that claim. My personal experience is literally the opposite (it was ~20F)
Google: cotton vs wool insulation while wet
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i go outside for days at a time. your conspicuous side step makes me suspicious that you don't.
I managed to dunk both my hands into a frozen ditch in about -5 C weather. I was wearing shitty government issue cotton gloves but somehow they got warmed up and dried. I was totally fine even though I had to spend another 20 hours or so outside after the incident.
Gangrene hands typed this
Shit really sucked at first, let me tell you that. It happened during my conscription in a race between all the squads in our company. We had to build a 13 kilometer long telephone connection and then take it apart as fast as we could. I tripped on a tree branch and fell into the ditch after we had advanced less than a hundred meters from the starting point.
>C
lmao it may as well have been a warm bath u silly homosexual. get outta here with your shitty temperature system
Are you trying to get called a mutt? Just ask for it directly.
That’s right, internet tough guy. I was pointing out that if you mess up and soak your cotton gloves in below freezing temperatures, you’ll be fine. You’re not in threat of losing limbs like one of the other posters said.
Polyester stays warmer than wool when wet and also dries faster.
>Polyester stays warmer than wool when wet
moron
No u. Wool feels less clammy when damp, because it absorbs more moisture before wetting out. We're talking about WET clothing, though. Polyester is lighter than wool, absorbs less moisture, dries quicker and insulates better both dry and wet. Much of the insulating properties depend on the weave. Wool wins on odor control and fire resistance but not much else. Doesn't mean I don't have a wool baselayer, wool socks and boiled wool mittens, though. Wool certainly has it's uses. It just isn't warm when wet.
Both polyester and cotton would be well below baseline if they were on that graph. Curious that you excluded them. The benefit of wool is that it doesn't kill you when it gets wet, not that it keeps you completely warm.
>
No u. Wool feels less clammy when damp, because it absorbs more moisture before wetting out. We're talking about WET clothing, though. Polyester is lighter than wool, absorbs less moisture, dries quicker and insulates better both dry and wet. Much of the insulating properties depend on the weave. Wool wins on odor control and fire resistance but not much else. Doesn't mean I don't have a wool baselayer, wool socks and boiled wool mittens, though. Wool certainly has it's uses. It just isn't warm when wet. #
>Both polyester and cotton would be well below baseline if they were on that graph.
Would they?
yes, they would. It's amazing how many people on PrepHole know so little about PrepHole. If you actually went outside and experimented with different types of socks and base layers you would already know these things.
>if you actually autistically obsessed about something that doesn't really apply to a majority of people the same way that I do then you'd sperg out over factoids too
ftfy
>If you actually went outside
This filters 99% of PrepHole.
If you count synthetic down (Climashield Apex/Primaloft gold ect) as poly, technically yes. Poly isn't just thin fabric weaves.
>well ackshewally
Does anyone actually refer to synthetic down as "polyester"? That would be an exception to the rule.
Wool sucks in the rain and down is 10 times worse. Polyester barely gets wet, dries fast, and stays warm. That's why polyester fill and polar fleece were invented. Stop believing the Big Wool shills.
Wool is great in the rain. My wool jacket keeps me warm and dry in every type of weather except big downpours where even a rainjacket wouldn't do much better. Polyester only dries fast if you give it a chance to. It doesn't matter how fast it dries if you're stuck in the rain. And those are the situations where wool is superior. I couldn't give two fricks how long my wool takes to dry because I can just put it over the fire or on top of a heater if I need to (unlike polyester, which will melt).
wool will shrink you dummy
pfffhahahahaha
you have to put it through a hot dryer to shrink it dumbass, just getting it wet doesn't frickin shrink it, what do you think sheep frickin shrink when they get rained on, frick's sake lol
You've exposed yourself
It's PrepHole, he probably exposes himself all the time
>unlike polyester, which will melt
lmao what kind of polyester are you using. Shit melts at like 200C
Meaning it doesn't even have to be in the flame to melt.
Yet another moron exposing himself. At this point I'm wondering if I should go to reddit myself, because it seems /out has just become a place for all the reddit refugees who got banned for being know-nothing larpers.
>he's laying his wet clothes directly on the coals
>jeans?! what?! how do you even WALK in those?
Didnt realise you guys were a bunch of turbo homosexuals. holy shit
Are people seriously wondering if wool or cotton is better form warmth when wet? Are yall seriously this moronic? Have you never actually been out?
no, we're just doubting that cotton is an automatic death sentence when wet.
That entirely depends on the temp, other layers, your body, and a lot more factors than just "is it cotton". But cotton is pretty shit in cold enviorment if its wet. It will have your body working overtime trying to dry something thats notorious for not drying, and is probably actively freezing due to the moist.
yeah but PrepHole LARPers will unequivocally claim that cotton WILL kill you which is not true. they only know how to argue in hyperbole and whataboutisms
I’ve seen more people saying they used cotton and we’re fine than people saying it will kill you. The former generally give no details about its use (length of use, environmental conditions, or what they were doing).
>yeah but PrepHole LARPers will unequivocally claim that cotton WILL kill you
people throw strawman around a lot, but you rarely see such a perfect example as this one.
hoping it's the same autist who strawmans hard like this in every thread
I only see the most underprepared and overprepared near the trailhead area. Most of the people with designer gear are just dressing the part anyway. They might go out sometimes to "be seen" but it's mostly just an facade to fit the style they are molding for themselves.
Expensive gear is expensive because it’s valuable. But, ironically, the young students who are the people most likely to go out adventuring outdoors are the least able to afford the valuable gear. So they vent thier bitterness on anonymous image boards. Like that anon who TOTALLY goes hot tenting…with a rubber bladder filled with hot water. lol.
>You absolutely need the priciest gear for serious outings
would it be disrepsectful to loot these people? I need a pair of crampons
I think people rationally understand that cotton isn't optimal for cases of being wet, with prolonged idle exposure to cold weather. But on the other hand it's perfectly fine for simple tasks. There's a confluence of circumstances that are needed for wool to genuinely offer you a real chance of "survival" over cotton, but the truth is for most people the risk is incredibly low to begin with. Like that anon earlier itt who claimed that he got his leg wet and wool made the difference between him being "mildly uncomfortable instead of limb-threatening" is just outright wrong.
This basically proves that no matter how prepared you are (gear and attire wise), sometimes, fate has something else in store for you.
Speaking of overly expensive gear, what do you really need to go here?
I'm not going hiking and camping in the wilderness or renting a car and driving out into the unknown. I'm just sitting in meetings and being a tourist in a town then flying home. But we are driving 2h to get there and will be outside sometimes
Last time I fell for the meme and brought thermals that I barely wore because going in and out of buses and buildings they were way too fricking hot. I also took a big bulky ski jacket. Can I get away without even that?
I'm thinking
- Base polyester shirt (1x thermal leggings just in case but I doubt I'll wear them)
- Thin fleece
- Thin soft-shell fleece lined jacket
- Packable real down jacket
- Thin raincoat (snow is forecast 1 day but otherwise it's more for the UK side of the trip honestly and because the down jacket isn't wateproof)
I mean do I really need to bring an entire bulky ski jacket. I don't normally layer fleece AND soft-shell I go one or the other. But if it really is bad I reckon I cold layer all that because the fleece is very thin and light
Last time I went I took a bulky ski jacket but since then I've been outdoors so much hiking in the UK in wet and windy conditions I've learned the power of layers and much prefer it
This would be a good excuse to buy a proper nice parka coat because the ski jacket was too short and my legs got cold last time, but I rarely wear big coats in the UK so probably wouldn't wear it again
You’ll need a qiviut wool sweater. It’s not optional. It’s required.
NGMI
this gotta be in summer right?
Maybe. Obviously it’s warmer but a lot of climbers avoid higher mountains in the summer due to glide avalanches and rock falls.
Yes it's 100% in the summer. That woman took the gondola to the Klein Matterhorn and then presumably started walking toward the Breithorn which is only 300 vertical meters higher than the station itself. Pic related shows the lift station and the Breithorn in the background. There is also all year round skiing on that glacier (known commercially as the "Matterhorn glacier paradise") so taking a stroll there probably isn't as dangerous as that article makes it out to be.
Dystopian hellscape
Wait until you see the hordes of hylics flocking to these places.
thats the swiss for ya
>go to majestic far flung corner of the world where nothing lives
>it’s basically a municipal park with public utilities, a hotel, and a restaurant
FRICK accessibilitygays. That being said, is it worth traveling to europistan to check out the snowboarding? I heard once you're there it’s actually fairly affordable
No.
I had fun in Switzerland
Colorado is better
There isn't anything outside of the Alps that comes remotely close to the PNW and Rockies and the alps comes in a distant third behind the Cascades and Rockies.
Word. I knew it. USA #1. Many such cases
>Pretending Canada doesn't exist
as a Washingtonian I approve this message
C-annexed-a? We’re nice enough to let them think they’re a country
Where do the Appalachians rank?
The runs are shorter but the snow is usually powder and almost never slush. They're good for their accessibility but I'd put them on par with Bear in Montana or something like Loveland in Colorado--those are the low bar of western ski resorts.
If you had to pick a mountain where would you go?
In the US?
Baker; Copper mountain; 49 Degrees North; Vale is nice but over priced.
In Canada I'd go to Whistler and in Switzerland I'd go to Titlis.
I'd avoid Asian resorts like cancer and I don't know anything about the Andes skiing.
I can tell you the worst is picrel.
>picrel
absolutely grim
>asian resorts
even japan? i swear you cant get away from people jerking off le japow. i always wanted to check out hokkaido anyway for other reasons
I've never been to nippon but their mountains are tiny compared to the Cascades and Rockies and they seem on par with the northeast for massive cold fronts pushing though.
weird. i know they get huge totals but it did kinda stink like focused advertising. i like kirkwood but i do smaller mountains because less crowds and still plenty of fun to be had. the one thing i really hate about resorts besides crowds is the turbo commercialization. makes me feel like im in a cattle run, same as stadiums.
I forgot Taho, but it's like Vale--good but over priced.
Hood is pretty awesome as well.
t. never been
Homewood reppin
See you up there my Black
The person on the left in the OP's photo looks BIG MAD though. Like how dare that woman just stroll up in jeans, a cotton hoodie, and sneakers.
Imagine how pathethic and weak you have to be to make walking up a hill an epic world shattering endeavor
It probably would be for you, fatty
Mutts need to get region banned. There are places on the Alps you can easily summit in the good season with relatively low risk by walking. This is not one of them, if anything for the presence of ice which has the tendency of making you trip and fall, sometimes with lethal consequences. The Alps aren't the shitty 50m positive gain, chestnut-less hill behind your mom's boyfriend trailer park you took a stroll in before coming to pester the board.
It's a matter of suitable kit, skill and experience, it doesn't inherently have to be technical and expensive.
Trashcans keep outing themselves as clueless as per board tradition.
>salty that americans casually walk around on mountains instead of wasting a small fortune on branded gear and guide services that they clearly don't need
Cry us a river Lorenzo
Not italian stronzo, try again. Maybe invest the money you're saving in English lessons:
>It's a matter of suitable kit, skill and experience, it doesn't inherently have to be technical and expensive.
>mama mia, mya beautifula mountaina
Wrong post, lol
Of course you do. Yesterday I went in the mountain to do some downhill sledging with the sledge I found and because I am poor I had my poorman's gear on me.
And all the high end rich motherfrickers who were also going trecking were looking down on me.
I hate people. Unfortunately that day there were a lot of them.
Once a guy trie to mock me because I was using plastic nailon to cover my backpack. I sew it myself with a cord and everything. I made it big enough to cover the backpack and the rolled math I was carring with me.
I replied and said to him. What now you have to have the ultra high end gear and equipment to go in the mountains? I think some people go there only to show off their expensive gear.
Mountaineering is for the rich.
If thats true thats gay af. Ive noticed theres two completely different fashion shows that go on in the mountains and they both have their own rules. First, you have the richgays that have 700 dollar expedition shells that they absolutely need so they can stand around and drink and walk on paved trails. Then you got the second group that I would call the “based and redpilled” group that contains hockey jersey wearers, rebellious teens, and wiggers in tie dyed backwood hoodies that just really absolutely need you to know that they dont need all that fancy gear like those rich snobs because theyre hardcore. They’re literally playing the exact same game but I wonder if they recognize it.
And then you got the real homies and poor homies that either dont know or dont care about the social flexing. They’re basically indistinguishable until you talk to them and theres a good chance they fit both categories but they’re there for the love of the sport and at least the real ones have figured out what they do and don't need to just get the job done.
All interesting groups of people with their virtues and vices but the richgays tend to be the most clueless and therefore annoying. They’ll pick up the tab if you’re a good conversationalist, though
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What are these eurotards even doing? Is this how slovenians sled?
They're English-speaking tourists having goofy, potentially lethal accidents as per tradition.
To be fair, locals do this aswell. City folk see nice pictures of mountaintop views on inst***** and think "me too", but havent got a clue. This also swings to the other extreme where they go super prepared equipped head to toe, to walk a hill that takes less than 2 hours top to bottom, kinda funny.
That's a a point. Tourism is destroying the world. The Alps are besieged by hordes of morons who are dying like flies.
I forgot to ask, how crowded is Slovenia compared to the rest of the Alps? Do you have any experience?
For now, Ive only hiked mountains within Slovenia. Went skiing mostly in Italy and Austria, they have totally amazing ski resorts, those can get somewhat crowded. Here, hiking mountains has always been a national sport, during summer you will hardly find any hill/mountain path completely empty. In comparison, half our country is not covered in Alps, so maybe ours have more traffic in summer. Only peak that really obviously stands out in being over crowded is Triglav, our highest one. Always heaps of people, theres a big hut just below the top for wich they decided not to build the wire rail supply cart thing, so theres a helicopter making runs, bringing supplies and taking out garbage constantly, for hours during peak season. This kills the peace, the mood, kills the point of going to mountains in the first place. Its like everest. The mountain itself is nice as any in the Julian Alps, but choose something else if youre around.
Naturally, some peaks have higher traffic than others. But generally people are friendly, helpful in need and ready to greet you with a smile, its a healthy culture at its core. If you wish to not see anyone thats possible with the right time and location, but its unnecessary. For me, summiting a two thousender to see 10-20 hikers resting doesnt feel crowded in the regular sense of the word. Anyone you encounter, you know they came for the air, the views, the challenge, you have that in common, and they know it too. Even to not see other people. I guess the scenic, hardly accessible dangerous enviroment is what filters through specific mindsets and fosters a special atmosphere. Big talk but yes past a certain height it is one wrong step and youre a pancake, maybe rain comes and youre a wet, electrocuted pancake.
Actual mountain climbers and alpinists must be real buddys, imagine that. Come around!
tldr; no,
glissading is a legit mountaineering technique
>AAAAH
>SOMEONE HELP
they're not glissading, anon
Not me.
I've heard wool retains about 80% of its insulation when wet, not sure if that's the real number.
that's the general number, in particular it depends more on the kind of wool and the kind of weave being used and how thick it is, wool has a fairly vast array of types and ways of weaving it, recently learned that denim is actually a kind of weave, and not exclusively cotton like jeans
Saw a dude in only gym sneakers summit about 5 minutes after we did with crampons and axes. Summit was an inclined plane of pure slippery ice and we watched this dude slide around trying to take photos, almost falling to his death several times.
>summit with expensive gear, feel accomplished
>watch in horror as you get mogged by an absolute cotton chad mere minutes later
>he pretends to slip to take some of the sting away
Based sneaker chad
Crampons and axe are not expensive gear moron. Enjoy your Darwin award, not that you go outside anyway.
They cost 100% more than not buying them and mogging mountaincucks in your normal clothes
>mogging
Clear sign you are a moron. As if we didn't already know.
Alright buddy off you go then.
Imagine getting this pooper peeved by an obvious shitposts.
Epic troll, you can leave now
Not the same guy, you sperg.
>you need to LEAVE
One in every thread
And one that should: you.
don't judge people because of using sneakers, sometimes they are the best tool. i know of a guy who climbed the eiger in sneakers, he went up and down in a single day, 3.5k elevation or something, fricking amazing
>italian
Oh no no no, Mario and the gang won't like this one bit
Like I said, a shitposting board.
you don't need $$$$ gear to climb most euro mountains or walk most trails but 99% of SAR cases would be avoided with very few basics like sunscreen, water, some snacks, a hat, scarf, gloves, a nice sweater, sunglasses, adequate footwear, map, compass, extra powerbank - mostly stuff that people already own
i forgot to mention rain jacket and pants
You absolutely need technical gear on most European mountains in winter, and many still in summer.
>Compass
Lmfao.
>You absolutely need technical gear on most European mountains in winter
t. technical gear salesman
Numerous tourists moseying up your little hills in cotton hoodies and sneakers prove otherwise
Trying too hard, bubba.
Seethe harder lorenzo
You're still at it? If only you didn't limit yourself to blabber on the internet and obsess over italians and men more masculine than you, going to these great places once in your little life.
>still at it
>obsess
>says the eurocuck shitting up half the threads in the catalogue with his signature boomer larp
Take a long good look at it, cretin. I give contributions when I want, and when I want I pit bubbas down. Frick you gonna do about it mutt HAHAHAHHAHAHA
>n-noo I'm really cool and I make the board better
>you're just a cretin and y-you're mad that I'm so manly
>I'll pretend to laugh in all caps to show you how not mad I am
Do you seethe this hard when someone mispronounces "mozarella"
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA what a number I've played on your mongrel ass, look at that impotent rage.
Wash your pussy and apply vagisil cream.
Hit the nail on the head with that one
Hit YOU straight in the rectum, look at these temper tantrums you're throwing after you got shut down. You need help, bubba.
The only one throwing a tantrum is you.
>No! No! U!!
HAHAHAHAHA did you lose your pacifier?
You get nothing from me but a paternal virtual spanking and a stern talk HAHAHAHAHA frick you gonna do about it? Stay mad, stay in.
Holy shit, the bubbaposter is at it again
I really think at this point it should be considered avatar/signature posting
>I want men disciplining me banned so I can shit the forum unchallenged.
>It's MOOSARLRLRLRELL'A
My guy, you really came back and reposted the exact same thing after the jannies removed it?
Have I?
>archived.moe/out/thread/2686994
He won't respond to that.
>Lmfao.
opinion discarded
Is this unironically a /k/ reject trying to larp as some SF hard ass?
LMFAO the frick are you even rambling about?
Did he delete his own post out of embarrassment? Holy frick.
No, the jannies did it, instead of canning bovines like you. As I said, you're trying too hard.
Apparently two classes of school boys and their teacher(s) have died while being ill prepared for a hike and a freak snow storm.