Someone hired me to install one of those fake mini electronic grand piano. It has like 12 large bolts and it came with a 1/2" drive ratchet and a 22 mm socket. The ratchet isn't that bad, I'm still using it.
Mufricka u stack tens I stack twennies, I got a few tens tho on god, I have the most missmatched and random set of tools imaginable, from my grandpa as a kid to what I aquired wrenching on 50cc's as a kid. What is a good brand for a set of metric/sae wrenches that wont buckbreak the bank?
>won’t buckbreak the bank
Just go Craftsman-Kobalt-Husky-Gearwrench-Tekton-Sunex
Gearwrench and Tekton are good for no skipped sizes. And they both have ratcheting wrench sets, which are far nicer than regular wrenches. And flex head ratcheting wrenches are the beez kneez
I’ve been waiting to see a sale/clearance on those Craftsman Overdrive wrenches, sort of want to try that bolt biting type wrench.
Also if you want to go a little more premium than the Husky, there’s the Milwaukee or Icon, they’re from the same factory so whoever has the better price. Or there’s Craftsman V-Series, which are exactly the same as Mac and Facom wrenches, and there’s some Italian company whose name escapes me and you can find them under the Craftsman V-Series or that Italian brand for 1/3 the price of the Mac truck.
I’ve actually shilled the Tektons over the Gearwrench because of the 6pt. 12pt is good for general use, might fit better on an odd fastener, and it makes sense for regular combination wrenches so you have more positions to place the wrench. But on automotive-focused ratcheting wrenches with 72+ teeth, the 6pt makes more sense. I got the Gearwrench set for a really good price and that Tekton is an add-on, but if I were to buy a full set at full price, assuming they cost about the same, I would get 6pt Tektons over 12pt.
That being said, 12pt wrenches aren’t as bad as people make them out to be. If a bolt is so bad that the proper sized 12pt fits, there’s a good chance the 6pt will slip as well.
Maybe for 5 minutes they had a line of sockets coming from the same factory. Only a couple places in Taiwan do all those tools. But HF is always going to the cheaper supplier, the Pittsburgh impact sockets definitely aren’t from the GW line, their ratchets and wrenches aren’t either.
Wouldn’t be surprised to see a Quinn/ Gearwrench mis-stamp these days and Pitt sockets coming from mainland China.
Craftsman RBRT == Mac RBRT it’s looser tolerances and missing a feature
Usag is the brand you’re thinking of,
The biggest problem with MAC/USAG/facom/mu-craftsman is that they’re owned by the Stanley black and decker/dewalt/proto conglomerate whose quality typically sucks dick.
>looser tolerances
Needs supporting evidence.
As if the same wrenches coming off the same line are different, like the Friday night drunk ass crew is making the Craftsman V-Series and the sober Tuesday Morning crew makes Mac and Facom.
3 months ago
Sieg
The tolerances are looser. So at my day job we have good better best.
Top tier is 0.0005 of an inch either way
Lowest tier is 0.01 of an inch either way.
So more of our parts are sold as good and in tolerance same as these tools
The craftsman wrench also has less features than the mac RBRT , not all geometries are identical in the RBRT range and it’s evident in the marketing
3 months ago
Anonymous
the tolerances on the bolts and nuts are looser than on the cheapest wrench you csn find homosexual
12 points give you much more access room in confined areas
the only people who should be using 6 point ratcheting wrenches are people working on rusty junk
You just pay for better warranty and finish with Matco
It’s all around a nicer socket with a better warranty…
3 months ago
Bepis
Who said Matco sucks? Also lifetime warranty on the Sunex so whatever you want.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>lifetime warranty
Shipping costs more than a new socket.
3 months ago
Bepis
Which is why they will normally ship you a new socket for free without ever requesting you to send the broken one back. And reputable companies don’t charge shipping on warranty replacements.
The tolerances are looser. So at my day job we have good better best.
Top tier is 0.0005 of an inch either way
Lowest tier is 0.01 of an inch either way.
So more of our parts are sold as good and in tolerance same as these tools
The craftsman wrench also has less features than the mac RBRT , not all geometries are identical in the RBRT range and it’s evident in the marketing
Needs supporting evidence
Also you brought up the RBRT, and the Craftsman and Facom hex bit sockets are the same as the RBRT, but the RBRT wrenches aren’t the same as the non-RBRT wrenches, and the non-RBRT wrenches are the same as the ones restamped with other brand names.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Needs supporting evidence
The difference between a Hazet 8 mm box end and an early 2000 Craftsman 8 mm box end is night and day. There is no slop in the Hazet on the nut. The Craftsman is looser than a $50 prostitute.
3 months ago
Anonymous
After Eddie Lampert murdered Sears everything turned to shit. Frick that guy.
3 months ago
Bepis
>early 2000s worst years of Craftsman offshoring isn’t as good on the QC and tolerances as top tier German hand tools
Holy shit people on the internet are good at rebutting statements I never made.
3 months ago
Sieg
Your statement: craftsman tools are good…
Truth no they’re not even lowes rejecting the sbd Warranty
3 months ago
Sieg
The craftsman overdrive are not the same as facom/Usag/Mac RBRT.
It’s trickle down technology made to a price.
Craftsman doesn’t make an RBRT hex socket, they make the “-v- series rounded head technology” hex socket which is different than the RBRT hex sockets
I THINK it’s the knock off of the snap-on flank drive plus (flank drive plus is different than flank drive) but don’t quote me on that.
I’m not a fan of nu-craftsman and it’s been about 30 years since I had a made in USA craftsman socket wrench in my box ….
I went all tool truck some time ago, I’m not saying you should do that…I work in a trade so It makes my life easier
You work in an office and a nice mount blanc pen makes your life easier or a nice loro piana sweater to wear to the office improves your work
But I wouldn’t have anywhere to utilize those items in my field
3 months ago
Bepis
>Overdrive is not the same as RBRT
You’re right tripgay friend, the thing I never said isn’t true.
Craftsman RBRT == Mac RBRT it’s looser tolerances and missing a feature
Usag is the brand you’re thinking of,
The biggest problem with MAC/USAG/facom/mu-craftsman is that they’re owned by the Stanley black and decker/dewalt/proto conglomerate whose quality typically sucks dick.
you need a proper set of spanners (i just go to my local tool store and buy the taiwanese stuff with a three letter acronym name in a shitty vinyl pouch), but picrel has saved me so much time and energy
two good craftsmen's and 5 chinky's. I picked up a couple of junk chinese wrench/socket sets cheap. Obviously they're garbage, but they're good for kamikaze runs into junkyards and hammering them onto rusted out bolts.
What annoys me is dudes that can’t afford snap-on, Matco, mac or whatever by choosing to live pay-check to pay check and blab non stop about how much better their harbor freight stuff is than a tool truck or random Amazon brands they get recommended from this group.
That’s cool and all, but I’m not about to take life advice from a guy who’s shit is so far from being together that he can’t even afford the tools to do his damn job…
I don’t want to be in his situation paycheck to paycheck and nothing but harbor freight in my box when my method of income is working with my hands and the tools I own
Well I mean it’s multiple thousands of dollars and people come in here going nah dollar store tools are the same
And when I tell them no they’re not they think I am either lying, bragging or trolling
Like that stripped bolt thread, use a good tool and it will remove it
>no it won’t Sieg you’re just bragging about your tools
No I’m not I was 14 and dirt poor modifying my Honda civic once too… you know why at 34 I own a box full of snap on?
Because when I had nothing but craftsman and struggled on motor mount bolts, head bolts, or brake caliper bolts, the guy I was apprenticing for walked up casually broke the bolt loose with a snap-on socket everytime
When my craftsman shit was flaring out or flexing and rounding the bolt head with a cheater pipe on it
Thinking I was too smart for quality tools and a pipe I found in the garage is being too smart to buy a breaker bar…
You know why breaker bars exist? It’s because they work better than rusty pipes and sears wrenches
Trust me man you’re not smarter or better at wrenching than the people who make money doing this shit
You think these dudes never heard of those bullshit low quality apex and sata coming out of Taiwan with different brand names on it.
Oh this one says fricking sunex on it it’s totally better man, oh this one is branded vim and is green!!! Ohhh gear wrench sew gud
Thread so far: >It's either Snap-On or it's Ching-Chong
Is there a middle ground? Maybe not as excellently good and expensive as Snampon but not as bad and cheap as X top ramen noodol brandu
>Is there a middle ground?
Yeah, Milwaukee and Carlyle wrenches
Lets be real here, ChinkChong IS pretty much the middle ground now. And tool truck brands are the definition of diminishing returns.
We are in a day and age where you cannot really walk into a regular big box store and buy a wrench set thats unusable. And youd have to go out of your way to do it on amazon or ebay.
Manufacturing technology is so mature and cheap, pretty much everything on the market is decent and 100% usuable.
Cheap house brand wrenches at lowes or menards or home depot or even walmart are as surprisingly nice.
You pretty much have to walk into a dollar tree nowadays to see a hand tool thats really bad.
Speaking of craftsman, I have craftsman tools I bought right before/during the outsourcing, back when you look behind the chinese tools and USA stuff was on the shelf.
I was just starting to buy tools, they were kits with gaps, lost them, got some duplicates from my brother who too was starting to buy them.
I have a weird random collection, and I know its all from right before outsourcing.
80% of its really nice, the other 20% is mediocre to really bad.
For wrenches specifically, I have wrenches stamped VV and V^ (upside down V).
Looking it up, they are both Danaher.
Most of the VV stuff is really nicely made, straight, nice stamps. There are a handful that look pretty poor in comparison.
I only have a few V^ but they are all HORRIBLE. Like genuinely bad.
I dont get how they had the same OEM with 2 different lines, with one being far better than the other, and even the nice line still had odd ducks in it.
Its really sad because some of it is really good.
A few, I guess.
Along with some 1/2s, etc.
Sometimes I buy something and it comes with a wrench to assemble it.
Like I think my bicycle came with one, and maybe my mitre saw stand ...
Not talking about a cheap stamped steel "wrench" some things come with ...
But sometimes things come with an actual solid tool.
When a wrench comes with something, what do you do with it? Throw it away?
actual people past their teens buy wrench sets. But then they don't post on /newdiy/
I haven't seen something come with a good tool in a long time. Just picrel. All I've seen in the past decade.
Someone hired me to install one of those fake mini electronic grand piano. It has like 12 large bolts and it came with a 1/2" drive ratchet and a 22 mm socket. The ratchet isn't that bad, I'm still using it.
Mufricka u stack tens I stack twennies, I got a few tens tho on god, I have the most missmatched and random set of tools imaginable, from my grandpa as a kid to what I aquired wrenching on 50cc's as a kid. What is a good brand for a set of metric/sae wrenches that wont buckbreak the bank?
just go to harder taint and get the shittsburgh
>won’t buckbreak the bank
Just go Craftsman-Kobalt-Husky-Gearwrench-Tekton-Sunex
Gearwrench and Tekton are good for no skipped sizes. And they both have ratcheting wrench sets, which are far nicer than regular wrenches. And flex head ratcheting wrenches are the beez kneez
I’ve been waiting to see a sale/clearance on those Craftsman Overdrive wrenches, sort of want to try that bolt biting type wrench.
Also if you want to go a little more premium than the Husky, there’s the Milwaukee or Icon, they’re from the same factory so whoever has the better price. Or there’s Craftsman V-Series, which are exactly the same as Mac and Facom wrenches, and there’s some Italian company whose name escapes me and you can find them under the Craftsman V-Series or that Italian brand for 1/3 the price of the Mac truck.
Whats the benefit to using a 12 point ratchet vs hex
I’ve actually shilled the Tektons over the Gearwrench because of the 6pt. 12pt is good for general use, might fit better on an odd fastener, and it makes sense for regular combination wrenches so you have more positions to place the wrench. But on automotive-focused ratcheting wrenches with 72+ teeth, the 6pt makes more sense. I got the Gearwrench set for a really good price and that Tekton is an add-on, but if I were to buy a full set at full price, assuming they cost about the same, I would get 6pt Tektons over 12pt.
That being said, 12pt wrenches aren’t as bad as people make them out to be. If a bolt is so bad that the proper sized 12pt fits, there’s a good chance the 6pt will slip as well.
Gearwrench = rebranded Pittsburgh pro
Maybe for 5 minutes they had a line of sockets coming from the same factory. Only a couple places in Taiwan do all those tools. But HF is always going to the cheaper supplier, the Pittsburgh impact sockets definitely aren’t from the GW line, their ratchets and wrenches aren’t either.
Wouldn’t be surprised to see a Quinn/ Gearwrench mis-stamp these days and Pitt sockets coming from mainland China.
>looser tolerances
Needs supporting evidence.
As if the same wrenches coming off the same line are different, like the Friday night drunk ass crew is making the Craftsman V-Series and the sober Tuesday Morning crew makes Mac and Facom.
The tolerances are looser. So at my day job we have good better best.
Top tier is 0.0005 of an inch either way
Lowest tier is 0.01 of an inch either way.
So more of our parts are sold as good and in tolerance same as these tools
The craftsman wrench also has less features than the mac RBRT , not all geometries are identical in the RBRT range and it’s evident in the marketing
the tolerances on the bolts and nuts are looser than on the cheapest wrench you csn find homosexual
sometimes you have less than 60 degrees of wrench freedom
That's when you use the 12-point box.
Removing driveshaft bolts
12 points give you much more access room in confined areas
the only people who should be using 6 point ratcheting wrenches are people working on rusty junk
See
Pretty much this, but it’s very limited. Dudes who drop driveshafts a lot like tow drivers will get that Sunex kit with an extension and flex head.
>Matco sucks
>recommends sunex
You know sunex is the oem for Matco
You just pay for better warranty and finish with Matco
It’s all around a nicer socket with a better warranty…
Who said Matco sucks? Also lifetime warranty on the Sunex so whatever you want.
>lifetime warranty
Shipping costs more than a new socket.
Which is why they will normally ship you a new socket for free without ever requesting you to send the broken one back. And reputable companies don’t charge shipping on warranty replacements.
Needs supporting evidence
Also you brought up the RBRT, and the Craftsman and Facom hex bit sockets are the same as the RBRT, but the RBRT wrenches aren’t the same as the non-RBRT wrenches, and the non-RBRT wrenches are the same as the ones restamped with other brand names.
>Needs supporting evidence
The difference between a Hazet 8 mm box end and an early 2000 Craftsman 8 mm box end is night and day. There is no slop in the Hazet on the nut. The Craftsman is looser than a $50 prostitute.
After Eddie Lampert murdered Sears everything turned to shit. Frick that guy.
>early 2000s worst years of Craftsman offshoring isn’t as good on the QC and tolerances as top tier German hand tools
Holy shit people on the internet are good at rebutting statements I never made.
Your statement: craftsman tools are good…
Truth no they’re not even lowes rejecting the sbd Warranty
The craftsman overdrive are not the same as facom/Usag/Mac RBRT.
It’s trickle down technology made to a price.
Craftsman doesn’t make an RBRT hex socket, they make the “-v- series rounded head technology” hex socket which is different than the RBRT hex sockets
I THINK it’s the knock off of the snap-on flank drive plus (flank drive plus is different than flank drive) but don’t quote me on that.
I’m not a fan of nu-craftsman and it’s been about 30 years since I had a made in USA craftsman socket wrench in my box ….
I went all tool truck some time ago, I’m not saying you should do that…I work in a trade so It makes my life easier
You work in an office and a nice mount blanc pen makes your life easier or a nice loro piana sweater to wear to the office improves your work
But I wouldn’t have anywhere to utilize those items in my field
>Overdrive is not the same as RBRT
You’re right tripgay friend, the thing I never said isn’t true.
Out dated, that’s only true for 36 tooth and lower ratchets.
Most people with nicer ratchets (snap on 100 tooth and the like) have more access with six point
Higher chance of rounding off lower end bolts with 12 point.
See when you poorgays start buying cheap tools it locks you into bad decisions.
“Nobody needs six point” nobody needs Matco 88 tooth or 90 tooth ratchets
Then whahappens you’re stuck with Chinese 12 point sockets with a higher likelihood of rounding bolts with a shitty socket wrench with high backdrag
Craftsman RBRT == Mac RBRT it’s looser tolerances and missing a feature
Usag is the brand you’re thinking of,
The biggest problem with MAC/USAG/facom/mu-craftsman is that they’re owned by the Stanley black and decker/dewalt/proto conglomerate whose quality typically sucks dick.
you need a proper set of spanners (i just go to my local tool store and buy the taiwanese stuff with a three letter acronym name in a shitty vinyl pouch), but picrel has saved me so much time and energy
I got a 10, a 9.76, 10.32, 10.08, 9.91, whatever it takes because real men only use crescent wrenches!
two good craftsmen's and 5 chinky's. I picked up a couple of junk chinese wrench/socket sets cheap. Obviously they're garbage, but they're good for kamikaze runs into junkyards and hammering them onto rusted out bolts.
Snap-on, Matco , gold plated harbor freight ratchet
Poorgays
>gold plated harbor freight
>calling someone else a poorgay
LOL
like -3
whats the difference between tube wrenches and socket sets
What annoys me is dudes that can’t afford snap-on, Matco, mac or whatever by choosing to live pay-check to pay check and blab non stop about how much better their harbor freight stuff is than a tool truck or random Amazon brands they get recommended from this group.
That’s cool and all, but I’m not about to take life advice from a guy who’s shit is so far from being together that he can’t even afford the tools to do his damn job…
I don’t want to be in his situation paycheck to paycheck and nothing but harbor freight in my box when my method of income is working with my hands and the tools I own
yet another thread full of tripgays bragging about their tools.
Well I mean it’s multiple thousands of dollars and people come in here going nah dollar store tools are the same
And when I tell them no they’re not they think I am either lying, bragging or trolling
Like that stripped bolt thread, use a good tool and it will remove it
>no it won’t Sieg you’re just bragging about your tools
No I’m not I was 14 and dirt poor modifying my Honda civic once too… you know why at 34 I own a box full of snap on?
Because when I had nothing but craftsman and struggled on motor mount bolts, head bolts, or brake caliper bolts, the guy I was apprenticing for walked up casually broke the bolt loose with a snap-on socket everytime
When my craftsman shit was flaring out or flexing and rounding the bolt head with a cheater pipe on it
Thinking I was too smart for quality tools and a pipe I found in the garage is being too smart to buy a breaker bar…
You know why breaker bars exist? It’s because they work better than rusty pipes and sears wrenches
Trust me man you’re not smarter or better at wrenching than the people who make money doing this shit
You think these dudes never heard of those bullshit low quality apex and sata coming out of Taiwan with different brand names on it.
Oh this one says fricking sunex on it it’s totally better man, oh this one is branded vim and is green!!! Ohhh gear wrench sew gud
>Yes, but how many 10s do you have.
The same amount as any other wrench in my sets.
The joke about people losing 10mm wrenches and sockets is stupid.
Thread so far:
>It's either Snap-On or it's Ching-Chong
Is there a middle ground? Maybe not as excellently good and expensive as Snampon but not as bad and cheap as X top ramen noodol brandu
>Is there a middle ground?
Yeah, Milwaukee and Carlyle wrenches
Lets be real here, ChinkChong IS pretty much the middle ground now. And tool truck brands are the definition of diminishing returns.
We are in a day and age where you cannot really walk into a regular big box store and buy a wrench set thats unusable. And youd have to go out of your way to do it on amazon or ebay.
Manufacturing technology is so mature and cheap, pretty much everything on the market is decent and 100% usuable.
Cheap house brand wrenches at lowes or menards or home depot or even walmart are as surprisingly nice.
You pretty much have to walk into a dollar tree nowadays to see a hand tool thats really bad.
Walmarts tools are shit the duck are you talking about. Same with most of harbor freight non-icon stuff
Even some of the icon stuff is trash, like their sockets
Post toolbox with timestamps
Speaking of craftsman, I have craftsman tools I bought right before/during the outsourcing, back when you look behind the chinese tools and USA stuff was on the shelf.
I was just starting to buy tools, they were kits with gaps, lost them, got some duplicates from my brother who too was starting to buy them.
I have a weird random collection, and I know its all from right before outsourcing.
80% of its really nice, the other 20% is mediocre to really bad.
For wrenches specifically, I have wrenches stamped VV and V^ (upside down V).
Looking it up, they are both Danaher.
Most of the VV stuff is really nicely made, straight, nice stamps. There are a handful that look pretty poor in comparison.
I only have a few V^ but they are all HORRIBLE. Like genuinely bad.
I dont get how they had the same OEM with 2 different lines, with one being far better than the other, and even the nice line still had odd ducks in it.
Its really sad because some of it is really good.
I would discuss my tool / wrench situation but I have a life
>on PrepHole at 4am on a friday night
4 am at night
Get off the dope Cletus
Kek
You’re here forever