I love how braindead c**ts like OP think an SPG's value lies in how may of them are lost. The reason why you haven't seen any Pzh losses is not because it's better AGAINST drones or counter artillery, but because it's a better SPG than the krab on average, and because of that, Ukies keep them further back than the Krabs. That, and the fact that Poland is essentially pumping Krabs in Ukraine at a regular rate, but have stopped reporting it, so all those losses are replaced tenfold at this point. PZHs on the other hand are much harder to replace because Germans are bureaucratic c**ts.
In conclusion, Krab is easy to get for Ukraine, so they put them in forward positions. PZHs are better performing, and harder to replace, therefore they're placed in the rear, where no counter battery fire or lanclet can get to them. Now stop fricking posting these threads
I love how braindead c**ts like OP think an SPG's value lies in how may of them are lost. The reason why you haven't seen any Pzh losses is not because it's better AGAINST drones or counter artillery, but because it's a better SPG than the krab on average, and because of that, Ukies keep them further back than the Krabs. That, and the fact that Poland is essentially pumping Krabs in Ukraine at a regular rate, but have stopped reporting it, so all those losses are replaced tenfold at this point. PZHs on the other hand are much harder to replace because Germans are bureaucratic c**ts.
In conclusion, Krab is easy to get for Ukraine, so they put them in forward positions. PZHs are better performing, and harder to replace, therefore they're placed in the rear, where no counter battery fire or lanclet can get to them. Now stop fricking posting these threads
Your shitty crabs are crap and your cope posts will not change that.
Pzh wreaks havoc while craps absorb drones
On the contrary, the Krab might be the better of the two, at least for Ukraine’s needs. A lot of the PZHs are down for maintenance and there were some issues with trying to get spare parts shipped to Poland and the Germans weren’t willing to let the poles set up a repair facility for a while in Poland. The PZH 2000 was not designed to fire more than 100 rounds a day and is considered high intensity for that platform. The Ukrainians have been running into issues of it wearing out sooner than the other systems. Adding the fact that there are fewer of them and the difficulty with getting them back into the field. There are just more Krabs in Ukraine for them to lose. Then you also need to consider the Russians improved use of drones, they have gotten a bit better at hunting down artillery systems with things like lancet. There are two constants with fighting the Russians. They are moronic, but after they throw away enough men’s lives and equipment, eventually they learn enough to be dangerous.
>I love how braindead c**ts like OP think an SPG's value lies in how may of them are lost.
Never said that. However PzH2000 is better and you admiited it. Thanks for conceding. >Now stop fricking posting these threads
No.
> thx for conceding
ahh the classic "I'm going to ignore ALL your points" then pretend I won the debate". That's not hot things are in real life friend, which is why you are the absolute loser that you know you are
>hand are much harder to replace because Germans are bureaucratic c**ts.
Come on buddy, you know the actual reason why it's harder to replace damaged PzHs.
Now watch poles climb out of their holes pretending that Poland provided a gazillion Krab to Ukraine, when in reality, there is only verifiable proof of 18 donations. The 54 ordered ones still haven't arrived.
that's cap and you know it. We see the fricking videos of krabs on transport trucks every few weeks from locations in eastern europe. the frick do you think those go to?
Poland and Germany are both based for sending SPGs to kill vatnigs. It's late - should have been working together to kill vatnigs the last time, RIP Pilsudski - but at last nature is healing.
On the contrary, the Krab might be the better of the two, at least for Ukraine’s needs. A lot of the PZHs are down for maintenance and there were some issues with trying to get spare parts shipped to Poland and the Germans weren’t willing to let the poles set up a repair facility for a while in Poland. The PZH 2000 was not designed to fire more than 100 rounds a day and is considered high intensity for that platform. The Ukrainians have been running into issues of it wearing out sooner than the other systems. Adding the fact that there are fewer of them and the difficulty with getting them back into the field. There are just more Krabs in Ukraine for them to lose. Then you also need to consider the Russians improved use of drones, they have gotten a bit better at hunting down artillery systems with things like lancet. There are two constants with fighting the Russians. They are moronic, but after they throw away enough men’s lives and equipment, eventually they learn enough to be dangerous.
I am actually surprised how lopsided some casualty ratios are. People try to justify Krab vs Pzh2000 with maintenance, but there is also something Ceasar vs M109 where Cesar had no real reports of poor availability and has just one proof of damage by a suicide drone in the driver's cabin. Oh yeah and nearly all towed shit also sucks but that's to be expected.
Also a reminder that tracked SPG’s can go where the Caesar can’t, they can get closer to the front line in the rough, moonscape terrain then wheeled systems can. Making them easier to spot, track, and hit.
I'm surprised that trucks with a 155mm gun haven't taken off until this war.
If we are being real here, every form of artillery has taken off during this conflict. Once the war is over and all the battlefield damage assessments are done, I guarantee you just about every military on earth is going to be clambering for more modern, accurate, and mobile artillery systems. We will probably see a significant reduction in the cost of guided munitions, like Excalibur from the increased production due to demand.
I am actually surprised how lopsided some casualty ratios are. People try to justify Krab vs Pzh2000 with maintenance, but there is also something Ceasar vs M109 where Cesar had no real reports of poor availability and has just one proof of damage by a suicide drone in the driver's cabin. Oh yeah and nearly all towed shit also sucks but that's to be expected.
It’s to be expected that the French would know a good Baguette launcher when they see one. It does need to be mentioned that a wheeled platform on what is basically a truck chassis is going to have a lot less maintenance downtime then a tracked vehicle would. Well, I can’t confirm I would suspect they can probably fire for a considerable period of time without a serious maintenance cycle. Being that France was one of the few militaries left on the continent that actually took their defense seriously prewar.
I love how braindead c**ts like OP think an SPG's value lies in how may of them are lost. The reason why you haven't seen any Pzh losses is not because it's better AGAINST drones or counter artillery, but because it's a better SPG than the krab on average, and because of that, Ukies keep them further back than the Krabs. That, and the fact that Poland is essentially pumping Krabs in Ukraine at a regular rate, but have stopped reporting it, so all those losses are replaced tenfold at this point. PZHs on the other hand are much harder to replace because Germans are bureaucratic c**ts.
In conclusion, Krab is easy to get for Ukraine, so they put them in forward positions. PZHs are better performing, and harder to replace, therefore they're placed in the rear, where no counter battery fire or lanclet can get to them. Now stop fricking posting these threads
OP is just trying to stirr up shit to bait polish and german anons into another shitflinging contest.
Your shitty crabs are crap and your cope posts will not change that.
Pzh wreaks havoc while craps absorb drones
There's a certain anon that likes to troll.
If it was a comparison thread you'd be wrong to say such a thing but this is obviously a shill thread.
The only posts worth reading.
>I love how braindead c**ts like OP think an SPG's value lies in how may of them are lost.
Never said that. However PzH2000 is better and you admiited it. Thanks for conceding.
>Now stop fricking posting these threads
No.
t. samegay
> thx for conceding
ahh the classic "I'm going to ignore ALL your points" then pretend I won the debate". That's not hot things are in real life friend, which is why you are the absolute loser that you know you are
weak cope by pole
>Tenfold
Well not really current rate is 25 krabs per year with priority for ukraine so these losses are already covered.
>hand are much harder to replace because Germans are bureaucratic c**ts.
Come on buddy, you know the actual reason why it's harder to replace damaged PzHs.
krab, more like crap haha xd
Now watch poles climb out of their holes pretending that Poland provided a gazillion Krab to Ukraine, when in reality, there is only verifiable proof of 18 donations. The 54 ordered ones still haven't arrived.
that's cap and you know it. We see the fricking videos of krabs on transport trucks every few weeks from locations in eastern europe. the frick do you think those go to?
>there isnt proof that a piece of military hard ware has arrived
>therefore it 100% certianly hasnt arrived
Poland and Germany are both based for sending SPGs to kill vatnigs. It's late - should have been working together to kill vatnigs the last time, RIP Pilsudski - but at last nature is healing.
How the frick do you lose a SPG? lmao like just drive away after shooting from max range, fricking moronic Piggers are getting too wienery.
>implying that Im polish
1/10 bait.
On the contrary, the Krab might be the better of the two, at least for Ukraine’s needs. A lot of the PZHs are down for maintenance and there were some issues with trying to get spare parts shipped to Poland and the Germans weren’t willing to let the poles set up a repair facility for a while in Poland. The PZH 2000 was not designed to fire more than 100 rounds a day and is considered high intensity for that platform. The Ukrainians have been running into issues of it wearing out sooner than the other systems. Adding the fact that there are fewer of them and the difficulty with getting them back into the field. There are just more Krabs in Ukraine for them to lose. Then you also need to consider the Russians improved use of drones, they have gotten a bit better at hunting down artillery systems with things like lancet. There are two constants with fighting the Russians. They are moronic, but after they throw away enough men’s lives and equipment, eventually they learn enough to be dangerous.
There are no reliable stats about the reliability of those systems. Just rumors by PiSs bots on twatter.
I am actually surprised how lopsided some casualty ratios are. People try to justify Krab vs Pzh2000 with maintenance, but there is also something Ceasar vs M109 where Cesar had no real reports of poor availability and has just one proof of damage by a suicide drone in the driver's cabin. Oh yeah and nearly all towed shit also sucks but that's to be expected.
Dennis is on a rampage again I see.
Numbers deployed (currently down for repairs):
PzH 2000: 9 (8)
AHS Krab: +70 (2)
source?
yeah suuuuure xD
Numbers deployed according to Oryx:
PzH 2000: 28
AHS Krab: unknown
So 27 PzHs in the repair shop
0 sources in your posts.
sources for what?
not so long ago pzhs 2k were stuck at Slovak border going for or returning from repairs - it was pretty hilarious really
sources for "So 27 PzHs in the repair shop".
That's literally the only sentence i replied to. Are you moronic?
Not surprised. Most of them Krabs break down in the middle of the field and become easy pray for even Russians.
just a reminder that the Caesars have been in Ukr the longest and not one has been lost despite them not being a "muh tracked SPG scoot and shoot"
I'm surprised that trucks with a 155mm gun haven't taken off until this war.
Also a reminder that tracked SPG’s can go where the Caesar can’t, they can get closer to the front line in the rough, moonscape terrain then wheeled systems can. Making them easier to spot, track, and hit.
If we are being real here, every form of artillery has taken off during this conflict. Once the war is over and all the battlefield damage assessments are done, I guarantee you just about every military on earth is going to be clambering for more modern, accurate, and mobile artillery systems. We will probably see a significant reduction in the cost of guided munitions, like Excalibur from the increased production due to demand.
It’s to be expected that the French would know a good Baguette launcher when they see one. It does need to be mentioned that a wheeled platform on what is basically a truck chassis is going to have a lot less maintenance downtime then a tracked vehicle would. Well, I can’t confirm I would suspect they can probably fire for a considerable period of time without a serious maintenance cycle. Being that France was one of the few militaries left on the continent that actually took their defense seriously prewar.
Ser we are at 50% WW3 now
Ser when do we reach 100% WW3
???
That‘s a Mazda CX-5 dude
this thing seems to be dead for a while - plus its on platform being transported somewhere?
polans can has fried crab