>folding stock
Only appreciable advantage of the M16/M4, with all tradeoffs going either way being more or less negligible. It also wasn’t the greatest performer in terms of reliability, and while it did alright in testing it was not the best prototype/trials rifle the US tested.
Basically no point in adopting it.
It's a G36E which wasn't bad
The German's G36s are not as good because they cheaped out.
But they're still insisting its replacement has similar ergonomics by giving G95A1 a fricking stupid dildo grip and a 90 degree selector
its just the german g36 that melts because the kraut morons cheaped out on materials to save a few pennies, everyone else who bought g36s is happy with them.
the G36 is a gun that was made for commercial export
its not a military gun, as much as it can work so
if it had just more metal & polymers, it would be perfectly fine, yet they didn't do it correctly
its no AR15 or AK74/47M, its just a disappointment, thats over taken by the HK416
they literally could have just made their barrel bushing thicker, but they didn't, so frick them
ever gun should have had a "LMG" barrel, thats the end of it
its a "cheap gun" in comparision to what it delivers and absolutly mogs any other competition of its time.
Two optics one for close range and one for medium long range shooting. They are pretty decent for their time but completly outdated for today.
Is pretty reliable and shoots accurate enough for an standart infantry rifle even moreso in due to the scopes.
The competition at the time delivering the same thing did not exist. Even today non EU Nations dont equip they forces with scopes in most cases at least not with that amount
Ok so realistically…wtf is the actual difference between the G36 and the XM8?
They both look and seem to function pretty damn similar to me. Why did HK even bother updating the design? US specific criteria I guess?
all deviations from the G36 were Army requests. they wanted it more rounded and they wanted the negative footprint attachment points. the Army also secured the rights to those attachment points (PCAP).
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
PCAP was doomed from the start. In the era the XM8 might have seen adoption, the AWB ended in 2004 and there was a Cambrian explosion of pic and weaver based rail attachments. I can't seriously see PCAP surviving that market deluge. Almost nothing else did.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
mlok came later and did just fine.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
MLOK is leagues more modular and adaptable than pcaps ever had a chance to be. It had the benefit of a lot more hindsight during its development.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
it's also ITAR. germany didn't want it in their rifles for example because of that.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
That's moronic, government contracts are exempt from ITAR.
Literally everything is on ITAR anyway, every screw, every spring that belongs in a gun is technically illegal to export from the US without a license. >t. got an arsenal's worth of ITAR shit out of the US
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
i think it has something to do if you want to sell the guns to 3rd party nations. the US can interfere with it. fighter planes are a good example - no gripen to finland or norway, they got f-35 in the end. ITAR helped.
that's also why the French have their own systems for just about everything military related (rafale, missiles, bombs...). they want to be indepenent and sell to whomever they want.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
addendum:
sell the guns, planes or whatever. US has the final saying if you can export something with their parts and if they have a competing product, they can block your export or somehow extort you/ buyer (for spare parts for example)
It was a couple of misfires, and field reports seem split. Everyone agrees that it's too heavy to carry in addition to an M4, but some found it viable as a primary weapon and others didn't.
Yeah I really liked Black Ops 2's weapon customization. There was another rifle I put the switch on because for some reason I was better at using it when it was in burst mode.
No, it shouldn't have. >Yet another AR-18 clone >With proprietary fricking everything
Optic: Proprietary mounting. Handguard: Proprietary mounting. Every fricking thing you could ever want to put on it would HAVE to come from the manufacturer, which is shit.
No but anon does have a point. XM8 was based around a free design but was built by H&K who grifts and scams through all their proprietary shit. So even if US got a contract for cheap rifles the aftermarket service and upgrades would be out the wazoo and maybe of subpar quality as well with no alternate options >scope breaks
har har it’s mounted, gibe moniez plz >rail mounts
uhhhh picatinny what now? that’s a weird name for a city. Anyways that’ll be $600 + tip >stocks
ahh yes! stonks are up indeed thank you for asking! >hand guard melts
oops. guess you need a new gun!
…what’s this? heat resistant polymers you say? oh oh ok ok no problem. We’ll get back to you in 2 years.
Why deal with the headache of proprietary shit when 90% of the gun is a modified ar-18…just use a modified ar-18
It had the misfortune to be designed with zero foresight right as rails were about to take over everything. Like how you could be a real highspeed badass with a tactical vest with sewn in place mag pouches in 2000, but look like a moron wearing a fishing vest a few years later when MOLLE and modular was the way to go.
The only country which adapted it in service was the Malaysian army and navy. Their version has no carry handle, different stocks, and they have different configurations, even the DMR one
"The G36 short stroke system" is literally just one of the dozen or so Euro takes on the AR-18.
It works fine but it's not appreciably better or worse than DI, as evidenced by numerous failures of said guns to replace the M4 (and everyone and their dog in Europe phasing out their memeguns and just adopting an AR, either piston or DI, in the end).
t. Euro who owns both
You’re trading accuracy and weight off for (debatably) reliability and keeping the action clean. If that’s a trade off you want to make, fine, but arguably I’d say that DI is a better and more simple system overall
The AK is more complicated than an AR18.
The AK bolt carrier has a lot going on in it, and takes a lot of machining to make right. The AR18 is much simpler.
"The G36 short stroke system" is literally just one of the dozen or so Euro takes on the AR-18.
It works fine but it's not appreciably better or worse than DI, as evidenced by numerous failures of said guns to replace the M4 (and everyone and their dog in Europe phasing out their memeguns and just adopting an AR, either piston or DI, in the end).
t. Euro who owns both
The 416an AR15 with the G36 short stroke system. Accuracy is the same.
>zoomers >being born before 1999
son. Maybe some 7 year olds snuck past and they played Black Ops but…I think of anyone who was able to remember 9/11 as a millennial.
BOps 2 and Skyrim and the like are still late millennial era. Still your stereotypical Xbox lobbies
It'd be pretty cool as long as it was open source. Keeps zero when moving scopes and lasers around, tooless and secure mounting system. Some pretty good benefits for not many drawbacks imo
>change the standard issue rifle for something that does nothing better for a higher markup with proprietary bullshit as a cherry on top
wow yeah what a good idea
AR fanboys need a real fight with HK fanboys
.
The HK XM8 doesn't need to use AR magazines, stocks, grips, rear charging handles, top rails or barrels because it is SUPERIOR.
Exactly
>folding stock
Only appreciable advantage of the M16/M4, with all tradeoffs going either way being more or less negligible. It also wasn’t the greatest performer in terms of reliability, and while it did alright in testing it was not the best prototype/trials rifle the US tested.
Basically no point in adopting it.
In some timeline, the G36 was more fish-like.
ugh it gives me the ick
i can make her ick and ack, with my penis
>homie is u a gay fish
U like fish dicks
The gun
OP IS A GAY FISH WHO ENJOYS FISH DICKS
do you know how le funi memearrows work yet?
lurk
its literally just a G36, you know, the gun thats being abandoned because its not actually that good?
The G36 is being abandoned because of politicians being politicians, its qualities (or lack thereof) have nothing to do with it.
It's a G36E which wasn't bad
The German's G36s are not as good because they cheaped out.
But they're still insisting its replacement has similar ergonomics by giving G95A1 a fricking stupid dildo grip and a 90 degree selector
>the gun thats being abandoned
the only thing any gun enthusiast can say about the G36 is 'duhhh it melts!' without realizing it 'melts' after hilarious sustained full auto fire.
its just the german g36 that melts because the kraut morons cheaped out on materials to save a few pennies, everyone else who bought g36s is happy with them.
the G36 is a gun that was made for commercial export
its not a military gun, as much as it can work so
if it had just more metal & polymers, it would be perfectly fine, yet they didn't do it correctly
its no AR15 or AK74/47M, its just a disappointment, thats over taken by the HK416
they literally could have just made their barrel bushing thicker, but they didn't, so frick them
ever gun should have had a "LMG" barrel, thats the end of it
its a "cheap gun" in comparision to what it delivers and absolutly mogs any other competition of its time.
Two optics one for close range and one for medium long range shooting. They are pretty decent for their time but completly outdated for today.
Is pretty reliable and shoots accurate enough for an standart infantry rifle even moreso in due to the scopes.
The competition at the time delivering the same thing did not exist. Even today non EU Nations dont equip they forces with scopes in most cases at least not with that amount
Ok so realistically…wtf is the actual difference between the G36 and the XM8?
They both look and seem to function pretty damn similar to me. Why did HK even bother updating the design? US specific criteria I guess?
all deviations from the G36 were Army requests. they wanted it more rounded and they wanted the negative footprint attachment points. the Army also secured the rights to those attachment points (PCAP).
PCAP was doomed from the start. In the era the XM8 might have seen adoption, the AWB ended in 2004 and there was a Cambrian explosion of pic and weaver based rail attachments. I can't seriously see PCAP surviving that market deluge. Almost nothing else did.
mlok came later and did just fine.
MLOK is leagues more modular and adaptable than pcaps ever had a chance to be. It had the benefit of a lot more hindsight during its development.
it's also ITAR. germany didn't want it in their rifles for example because of that.
That's moronic, government contracts are exempt from ITAR.
Literally everything is on ITAR anyway, every screw, every spring that belongs in a gun is technically illegal to export from the US without a license.
>t. got an arsenal's worth of ITAR shit out of the US
i think it has something to do if you want to sell the guns to 3rd party nations. the US can interfere with it. fighter planes are a good example - no gripen to finland or norway, they got f-35 in the end. ITAR helped.
that's also why the French have their own systems for just about everything military related (rafale, missiles, bombs...). they want to be indepenent and sell to whomever they want.
addendum:
sell the guns, planes or whatever. US has the final saying if you can export something with their parts and if they have a competing product, they can block your export or somehow extort you/ buyer (for spare parts for example)
>47M
Dumb Black person
>AK74/47M
instead of being a moron next time, just say AKM.
Malaysia uses it
XM8 died the death it deserved. XM25 should have been adopted.
Wasn't XM25 really popular with troops in the field, and it was cancelled over one misfire?
It was a couple of misfires, and field reports seem split. Everyone agrees that it's too heavy to carry in addition to an M4, but some found it viable as a primary weapon and others didn't.
Seems like a fair trade for losing one rifle in a firefight as long as whoever is carrying it is issued a sidearm for personal defense
The ammo is hard to mass-produce and some moron during training blew one up by taking the safety caps off the rounds.
Never buy german trash.
I wanted to see it without its carry handle
frick me it's Even cooler
I miss Crysis
Supposedly they're making a 4th, but I can't imagine it'll be any good
I'll give it a try if its not that bad
Black ops 2 my beloved
Sex. I wish rifles would try to look good instead of the gay mall ninja meal team 6 shit we see today.
I always used the switch to make it full auto
Burst guns switched to full auto was the only way to play that game.
Yeah I really liked Black Ops 2's weapon customization. There was another rifle I put the switch on because for some reason I was better at using it when it was in burst mode.
AN-94 maybe? I remember it having a stupidly quick fire rate on burst, higher than most the SMGs IIRC.
Yes that was it. I wanted to say the AN94 but I had forgotten whether it was in the game or not
No, it shouldn't have.
>Yet another AR-18 clone
>With proprietary fricking everything
Optic: Proprietary mounting. Handguard: Proprietary mounting. Every fricking thing you could ever want to put on it would HAVE to come from the manufacturer, which is shit.
Do you think the AR15 started it's life free and open source?
No but anon does have a point. XM8 was based around a free design but was built by H&K who grifts and scams through all their proprietary shit. So even if US got a contract for cheap rifles the aftermarket service and upgrades would be out the wazoo and maybe of subpar quality as well with no alternate options
>scope breaks
har har it’s mounted, gibe moniez plz
>rail mounts
uhhhh picatinny what now? that’s a weird name for a city. Anyways that’ll be $600 + tip
>stocks
ahh yes! stonks are up indeed thank you for asking!
>hand guard melts
oops. guess you need a new gun!
…what’s this? heat resistant polymers you say? oh oh ok ok no problem. We’ll get back to you in 2 years.
Why deal with the headache of proprietary shit when 90% of the gun is a modified ar-18…just use a modified ar-18
>muh proprietary
It had the misfortune to be designed with zero foresight right as rails were about to take over everything. Like how you could be a real highspeed badass with a tactical vest with sewn in place mag pouches in 2000, but look like a moron wearing a fishing vest a few years later when MOLLE and modular was the way to go.
>heavy
>sights attached to the barrel by PLASTIC
>bulky
>longer OAL for same barrel length
>heavy recoil
nahh it's fricking garbage
>tfw we will never get kino war clips of US infantry killing muzzies with M8s while RAH66s provide support
The only country which adapted it in service was the Malaysian army and navy. Their version has no carry handle, different stocks, and they have different configurations, even the DMR one
What's up with the dudes in the back wearing diapers on their heads?
Dengar cosplay day
Most likely flash gear. PASKAL is the Malaysian navy's special force with their pink beret, so I guess this is a navy parade.
>COMP M4S on top of the Hensoldt carry handle scope
I'm fricking wheezing.
I'm gonna cum
Hopefully Garand Thumb will review the XM8 soon.
Beautiful
Too much soul
Its always the most imaginative designs that get wiped off the face of the earth for more of the same looking shit isnt it?
I miss the OICW. Even if it was as unwieldly as a briefcase with a bayonet, it was some glorious Cyberpunk 2077/Judge Dredd/Aliens shit.
this was the XM8 prototype before the Army wanted it more spacey.
why do they need one with a plastic enclosure?
It was. The XM8 is the predecessor to the G36. Basically the same rifle for all intents and purposes
>excessive plastic that just looks cool
nah
Why must you break my heart so
The insatable urge to put carry handles on pullpup.
Rdb/rfb woth g36 carry handle specifically.
carry-handles are soul.
This gives me the urge to buy an rdb and an airsoft xm8, cut it up and bodge it onto the rifle.
It's just a G36 bodykit (not that the G36 is a bad gun but it's not worth adopting over the M4).
The G36 short stroke system is unironically better than the m4 change my mind.
"The G36 short stroke system" is literally just one of the dozen or so Euro takes on the AR-18.
It works fine but it's not appreciably better or worse than DI, as evidenced by numerous failures of said guns to replace the M4 (and everyone and their dog in Europe phasing out their memeguns and just adopting an AR, either piston or DI, in the end).
t. Euro who owns both
You’re trading accuracy and weight off for (debatably) reliability and keeping the action clean. If that’s a trade off you want to make, fine, but arguably I’d say that DI is a better and more simple system overall
>more simple system overall
oh hello there, are you done being dumb and willing to accept the word of our lord and savior kalashnikov?
The AK is more complicated than an AR18.
The AK bolt carrier has a lot going on in it, and takes a lot of machining to make right. The AR18 is much simpler.
The 416an AR15 with the G36 short stroke system. Accuracy is the same.
Anon I….
…Black Ops 2 was 11 and a half years ago
>zoomers
>being born before 1999
son. Maybe some 7 year olds snuck past and they played Black Ops but…I think of anyone who was able to remember 9/11 as a millennial.
BOps 2 and Skyrim and the like are still late millennial era. Still your stereotypical Xbox lobbies
Zoomers are everyone born after 1995. The primary audience of Blops 2 was 12-16 year olds, aka zoomers.
Zoomers are 1997-2012.
You're all wrong.
Millennials are people who could scream Black person in a CoD lobby and everyone would join in.
Zoomers are people who got banned.
>you're wrong
I guess I just imagined my pre/early teens
Could you imagine how fricked it would be had the army actually adopted it and we ended up using that proprietary bullshit instead of the rail system?
It'd be pretty cool as long as it was open source. Keeps zero when moving scopes and lasers around, tooless and secure mounting system. Some pretty good benefits for not many drawbacks imo
the Army has the rights to PCAP and it would have been quickly become a widespread standard, the very opposite of proprietary.
Just because everyone used it doesn't mean it would be free. People would have to pay HK to use it, and now all accessories are $50 more expensive.
the
Army
secured
the
rights
you
dumb
mother
fricker
Good
for
the
army
NO
ONE
CARES
ABOUT
JARHEAD
moronS
>change the standard issue rifle for something that does nothing better for a higher markup with proprietary bullshit as a cherry on top
wow yeah what a good idea
But enough about the Sig Spear
I have a soft spot for anything HK, what they make may not be perfect but it's always cool as hell.
Do it.
AR fanboys need a real fight with HK fanboys
.
The HK XM8 doesn't need to use AR magazines, stocks, grips, rear charging handles, top rails or barrels because it is SUPERIOR.
I wonder what the xm8 sopmod would have been like
Looks like the iPhone of guns
SOVL..
Is it over?
>worse than the AR in basically every conceivable way
XM8 tards are beyond saving
AK mogs AR anyway
Favourite weapon of my teen years because of this vidya
SOVL