So, since it seems we’re heading towards WW3: Battleground Europe, let conduct a quick plebiscite.
In which country/city (You) would like to duke it out with the Russians. Assume nukes are disabled (only conventional warfare) and the field of battle location detached from actual frontlines, i.e. you just pick a city/country disregarding the opposing sides ability to get there. Could be Moscow, could be Lisbon.
What scenery in Europe would you like for Verdun-esque Isonzo style meatgrinder?
Hard mode: no side holds defensive positions (no beach deployments, no islands, no mountainous assault).
Please leave political affiliations at the door, just wanna get the sense where’d you wanna throw your boots in.
Sad bump, I guess, can’t we talk hypotheticals even?
ukraine is prime maneuver warfare country so that's where I'd wanna fight, tbh
Poland is also wide flat terrain, there’s a neat cauldron in Balkans, beautiful mountains around you.
Next battleground is mockba vatnik terrorists will be expunged in the millions.
Ugh
>Please leave political affiliations at the door, just wanna get the sense where’d you wanna throw your boots in.
It's Pannonia
Yeah, t h a t. Also, already blood soaked, so that’s great?
Nope, read the rules
Yes it's ancient battle arena but they say it looked like this few centuries ago lol
True, there was a lof of shit swampy terrain until the river regulations in the 1850s.
So, swampy then, not good. Taking it off the list, bois, or is there some redeeming factors in play?
It's much more comfy now, the Great Hungarian Plain would be perfect for a kino Kursk tier tank battle tho.
It's literally 100.000km2 of this
WE GOTS OURSELVES ANOTHER WINNER for mechanised engagements! Russian plains serve the similar purpose. So far it’s Budapest and Great Hungarians plains, Volgograd volume 2, Kiev, Poland and I’m partial to anons suggesting Western German urban agglomerations. Central France is looking good too.
I’d like more “big river big city” stuff tho.
B-but it's all just t-theoretical, r-right Ivan?
Yep, as stated in the post, not looking for any fights irl, just doing daily mental gymnastics. Your input has been great so far.
I'd also like to see how a picrel Arpad- or Maginot-line like defense system would work against modern military offensives
You don’t have to look far, they’ve been building trenches and defensive positions all over Donbas for 8 years. The attacking side can’t advance properly until those defensive positions are grinder to a dust, so it’s an arty fest with occasional armoured assaults to try and poke some holes. Interesting how counteroffensives would work for defending side.
>would be won or lost in the air
Not sure in Finlands case. AA systems would be deployed quickly and due to the obscured vision (forests, duh) it will quickly slide into forest raids. Gaining ground in a forest engagement is a b***h and a half.
Not the issue at hand here.
Thing is, NATO is really good at fighting anti aircraft weaponry.....with aircraft. Although the troops, tanks, AAVs, and trucks are less naked innawoods they're also not going anywhere in a hurry, and when you have air dominance you have airborne cavalry.
As for the plains of Easter Europe, frick I'd feel safer in picrel than a viable looking target.
>As for the plains of Easter Europe, frick I'd feel safer in picrel than a viable looking target.
Prime setup for an epic “seven figure losses” battle tho, that’s what we’re trying to achieve itt.
Until we’re dropping literal space marines in a pod from the space it ain’t over, fren.
Fixed fortifications are over. Maginot would last about 20 minutes in modern warfare. The future is mobility and not being seen.
Frick, not gonna lie, the more I think about that “ancient battle arena” stuff the more I like the idea.
I had no idea that the topology of MENA was so high wtf
Italy offensive was slow for a reason, anon. As for NA part, topography provides insight into shoreline trade cities evolution in that region: you can only do coastal cities.
>topography provides insight into shoreline trade cities evolution in that region: you can only do coastal cities.
Intradesting, I didn't know that and geography is my strongest point. I would've assumed that there were only coastal cities because the sahara interior was too arid and barren for life to thrive excl. bedouin nomads.
I knew Morocco and Algeria were especially step but I wouldn't have thought it would've been the same east from there.
Come to think of it, whole southern/central Russia is a wide flat terrain, ahem.
fulda gap is my 2nd choice
So, Frankfurt then, or no urban warfare?
Fighting this hypothetical engagement, duh!
I'd like to attack Sweden.
That’s problematic for large scale meatgrinding happening on so many levels, but I kinda get the desire to fight in the forest.
Can I interest you in Ardennes forest vol. 2 maybe?
What the hell would swedes be doing in the Ardennes? Think McFly, think!
The eternal Finngolian shows his true colors. I knew it was a mistake to let you frickers be free.
Okay Muhammed
Borodino
Also cute, but the scenery is not that compelling imo. It’s a field, moreover, it’s a filed in Russia, so I wouldn’t count on sunshine and roses, unless it’s not a factor in your utility function here.
Not about ~~*them*~~, anon, although I wouldn’t pick to fight in a fricking desert to begin with.
removing the israelites would resolve these issues
Germany, though i would rather Join you Guys. Not dieing and fighting for what this country has become.
Political preferences aside, which city/area would you like to dig in?
Black Forest or Bavarian Forest. If Russia doesn't drop a tsunami bomb I'd prefer an island.
No nukes or other WMDs, conventional warfare only!
>Black forest
Ah, so Isonzo light, eh?
Then I would move to a North Sea island. Low population and plenty of sheep and fish.
is the black forest a wild forest?
Don't know what that means.
It has low population, your phone won't get a connection there, many caves, rivers, fishing lakes and close to France and Switzerland.
a forest with no human hands. think of a forest like mirkwood in LOTR basically easy to lose your sense of direntions and hard to travel by foot.
How about an all out proxy war in Africa. We just fund opposing factions and let them kill themselves. Which ever team wins is victor. This way we preserve priceless European art and architecture and eliminate the Black menace from earth.
>Black person genocide
Cute, but let’s stick to the rules here. Also, there’s no sportsmanship in putting Black folks against one another.
Wouldn’t Luxembourg be a much better scenery tho? It’s right there
>Wouldn’t Luxembourg be a much better scenery tho? It’s right there
Why not both?
True true, will the weather be nice?
It will rain fire and ashes that will light the night like it would be day.
Now that’s the spirit I’d like to see itt, hats off to you, good sir!
Could you elaborate as to where you see the ultimate smackdown happening, like a city/area, and why?
Ruhr Metropolitan Area, as it's the most developed, industrial region and would allow heavy war of attrition on urban area
And right next to the metropoles lignite coal stripmines... Moonlike Landscapes, giant steel machines
YASSS DIS you get the spirit of it
I'd fight the Americans in Ramstein, assuming that they haven't pissed of already to fight in the American Civil War: Volume 2.
>I'd fight the Americans in Ramstein, assuming that they haven't pissed of already to fight in the American Civil War: Volume 2
Our military doesn't hold a candle to the military of even 10 years ago
Yes we have some good elite units, but even most of them are getting watered down and sissified
Most of them are extravagantly trained, but have 0 or near 0 combat experience currently, all those guys left for contract work that actually pays
America's fighting capability at scale is zilch, even before another civil war
When the idea of a draft was rolled out the response was so negative the selective service had to send out a tweet saying contentiousness objectors would be given non combat non military jobs
We're at around 1/3 of the recruitment targets with their recruiting year ending in September
We're the most dangerous because we have the most unhinged elites on the planet with the ability to do nothing but press the big red button
Sorry Hans, but your dreams of mowing down burgers in a large scale conflict can only be fulfilled by waiting for the next civil war and hopping on a boat
Alright, if the Americans morals are this low, then I'd face the Russian in Masowia. I'd burn the crops and bushes to rid them of their cover and then storm their trenches until each and everyone of them either surrendered or fled. And the ones fleeing I'd chase in a tank all the the way across the eastern flatlands up to the Ural mountains behind which they belong.
Tell me you never served without telling that you never served....
I'd like to see Germany, they deserve it for their cucked policy.
Volgograd, nothing less.
Oh, a true connoisseur of meatgrinding, that’s almost History channel tiger good. Do we do an old fashioned house-by-house urban warfare or manoeuvre/trench warfare outside the city?
Oh dis good, five cities at once, filled with gun holes, trenches and rat tunnels.
I only said that because many Croatian soldiers died for nothing over there.
NOWHERE TO HIDE
I just finished my apartment, I hope none of you subhumans bomb it
Fellas, it’s not about (You)
Not very relieving considering what Russian word is worth, wouldn’t trust a Russian with a penny, most devious ill natured and lying “””humans””” that there are
what about a new battle for Rzhev?
A LOT of bogs, anon. On the other hand, high proliferation with small rivers severely restricts mechanised warfare and it devolves to the True man-on-man meatgrinder with occasional arty and air support.
Overall, checked, 8/10!
it would be nice if you guys left georgia alone you can fight in black sea and kill each other as much as you want
There will be 3 major theaters, and the pieces have already been moving.
East Aegean and Thrace.
South China Sea
Baltics.
Minor theaters will be, predictably, in North Africa, the middle East, and South America.
That’s your prediction, not the preference! Detach your military mind from The current thing and just go wild: where’s you wanna stand your ground?
a) no nukes
b) where
c) pretty please leave that stuff at the door, I know I’m not the king of you or anything, still
you forgot the senkaku islands major gas reserves and control will blockade Russia. senkaku islands are important for any ICBM detection.
The senkaku islands are no longer defensible ever since the development of self-correcting hypersonic ballistics. The US and JSDF have pivoted as of 2020.
US may have resumed its R&D on hypersonic ballistics ever since Russia demonstrated their hypersonics actually work, but it will be years before they have results. Not to mention China has been buying research from Russia for more than a year now, and their initial tests on hypersonic ICBMs have been relatively okay.
Predictably, the AEGIS deterrence system won't work, and the US would jeopardize their destroyers and carriers for no reason if they were to be deployed around the Senkaku.
senkaku islands are important because of trade between China and Russia. Russia will have problems with Siberian logistics. same thing happened during WWII Russia gave up on defending Kamchatka. only reason the didnt lose it was because of the Alaskan archipelago.
Putin’s mistress and their children live in Switzerland, I assume he’s not attacking there even if nukes are enabled.
poland. flat country good river systems and nice battle field for mechanized troops.
Any place in particular or we just talking broad strokes here?
broad strokes calvery is hard to account for. depends on ground conditions. will mostly avoid fighting in cities. weather is also a major factor.
No good ol fashioned urban killing? Sad, really
Canada!
What? Frick no, stock image
Yo mamma
urban killing is hard. with those old cities it will be like fighting in hedge rows. hard to direct and hard to attack.
Surprisingly, no one mentioned Central France yet: decent road density, flat terrain much like Poland, but less weather risks for mechanised warfare.
central France has great potential but to far and France has a large population. can only see France as a warzone when involving Austria.
I consider this to be a highly hypothetical thread, so imagine we fricking teleporting troops/vehicles there at an instant.
oh okay yeah cenral France is the best battleground. France if it falls the rest of the Europe falls.
>protected by wide mountain ranges in the north and surrounded by water
>difficult and diverse terrain to operate
>no intrinsic strategic value worth the occupation required
God, I love my country.
the Mediterranean is one reason to invde your country. if Spain had a larger Navy you would be the controler of the Mediterranean.
The key point being it is definitely not worth it to gamble the necessary and costly ground invasion required to just secure the strait or gain control of ports or hubs.
Britan would beg to differ. they stole gebralter from you guys.
That's why they are not that important.Iberia without Gibraltar is like a circumsized penis. It works but it's exposed and serves as a daily reminder of your cuckoldry.
>no intrinsic strategic value worth the occupation required
(X) doubt. You and Portugal absolutely will become major logistics hub come WW3, so there that.
Poland, then? Seems to be the prime choice among respondents.
Buuut, but, hear me out, should you find yourself in decision making position for where to stand your ground, where would that be?
Sure, buddy
Ah, so a sentimental appeal, can relate!
>Buuut, but, hear me out, should you find yourself in decision making position for where to stand your ground, where would that be?
I'll be making my last stand in the Lakes District of England. I can live comfortably and peacefully in the woods and farm lands where there is plenty of fresh water and hills to disappear into. Also easy access to slip across the border to Scotland. I will not participate in any war in Europe as did my grandfather and great grandfathers. It was a mistake then and would be a mistake now.
Politically speaking
NATO/EU would issue strongly worded letters if Poland was invaded
Poland would also roll over like a dog in a pile of leaves and shit
It would have to be Germany before a full consensus was reached that a counter was needed
I'm not fighting a war against Russia or any other European war. Hopefully you lot win quickly in Ukraine and thats the end of the matter but you could put the entirety of Europe including the UK under an iron curtain and I still won't fight it. At this point id welcome it. My enemy isn't other European peoples and never was, it is the oligarchs and corporations that wage war on British people. It is the immigrants and foreigners that flood into the country intent on destruction. It is the UK government, civil service, and medical establishment. I will only take arms against my true enemies. Not Russians, French, Germans or any other Europeans.
At your house
did you draw that map?
But to answer honestly, preferably some city build in the last 50 years with no major history or historic landmarks whatsoever. In the Netherlands this would be the whole of Flevoland or the harbour of Rotterdam.
Friesland seems comfy topography wise, any disadvantages?
It’s mostly farmland so there’d be no cover whatsoever. Also it has some pretty towns and it would be a shame if they were destroyed
Meh, frick the North of the Netherlands, full of commies and always b***hing about earthquakes that wouldn't even register in the minds of people like the Japanese. Complaining how they have some cracks in their houses, while people in Holland have had that for years due to the houses slowly sinking.
Rotterdam may be ugly, but it actually provides for the economy. Wouldn't mind having less people there either though.
Seems like you both agree on Rotterdam, what challenges that presents to combatants? Any natural defensive positions, hills overlooking the city or smth?
Black person, why are Romania and Bulgaria mixed up ?
Frick, only caught my attention now. Consider me legally moronic
Now that Russia knows that NATO is a non-threat that they can control by shutting off a gas valve, the first obvious target is Finland. Finland has a navy that consists of 8 coastal defence vessels (picrel)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_equipment_of_the_Finnish_Navy
that the Russian navy can dab on at their leisure. As we all know Sweden is ~~*neutral*~~ and wont do shit.
Also the finnish air force has only 60 F-18s
Too particular, I was rather going for preferential location than current state of affair analysis.
>preferential location
kind of funny considering eastern europe was a pushover in both world wars, not expecting a Verdun in Poland
>not expecting a Verdun in Poland
Give us your location, then
Nope, sticking to the rules
>Give us your location, then
you havent even taken Ukraine yet dumbass, I already said my location is Finland dumbass
>the Russian navy can dab on at their leisure
Son... the ruskies lost their flagship in the black sea to a country that doesn't have a FRICKING NAVY. The only people they dab on are themselves
Isreal
Don't care but it would be epic for Russia to purge Europe of all the shit skins which a war would do as they are cowards
What a god damn homosexual. A war between India and China would dwarf that eurogay shit and at least 250 MILLION would die. MINIMUM. Maybe over 500M. Get over yourselves.
Why can’t y’all be a bit more civilised?
See, this lad
gets it.
Both China and India could use losing 500M people, the world would be better off that way.
>Maybe over 500M
And yet nothing of value would be lost.
Misery, suffering and general horribleness aside, I would love to ambush ruski patrols with my pals in the Viennese Ghettos.
have to blow up New Zealand first, is where all the elites have their bunkers and escape plans
>Bulgaria and Romania switched names
Hmmm
Yeah, see
I know you’re on the map, but aren’t you guys not European anymore, Brexit and all that?
Anyway, somewhat valid answer
My country, then all the shitskins who are here to just parasite of my countrymen would frick off, we get to institute "service means citizenship", the people who matter here would agree with Russia's "no globohomo" stance, the war ends and we close the fricking borders.
>No nukes
Why ? Don't you like really big fireworks ?
I’m more of a “seven figure losses in one place over long period of time” guy myself
Hey op, only the israelites want meatgrinding an northern europeans leughtering each other, adn killing and making each other poor and hateful an ddesperate. Finns baltics, russians and Ukranians have blue eyes and blone hair.
Why do you want us to kill each other, why not just kill our despots and and have peace.
eastern anatolia and thrace
Kinda going on a limb here, but okay, I’ll bite: why there?
It’s a hypothetical, man
Oooh, do we get to see urban parkour brigades? Also, prime choice, anon, one of the biggest agglomerations in Europe, 9/10!
Dem bridges over Danube are not gonna last long, I fear, and then it’s pummelling each other across the river with artillery, I fear, won’t get much consistent fighting there.
Nope
>then it’s pummelling each other across the river with artillery
Literally nothing strategically important place on Buda side, apart from maybe the castle which looks over the whole city. Almost every industrial center, factory and central train stations that connect every major city in Central Europe is on the Pest side, not to mention, that most highways start from there.
>Buda/Pest side
Then we’re talking Stalingrad only on a larger scale, when both sides fight it out house by house on Pest side, and one of the sides trying to reinforce across Danube which is fricking awesome gore-potential wise.
Great answer, 10/10, will take any similar suggestions “large city on a large river” in Germany and Russia then!
Kiew it is, then. This time for real.
>big rivers appreciator itt
You got me good. Any other places in Europe come to mind with set prerequisites?
please let it happen in paris and suburbs
I want all the Black folk and nafri to get glassed
Unironically Budapest downtown for urban warfare. Nice historical buildings, plenty place to organize ambushes from, worked once, will work again. And if you want a bit of stalker experience you can just go out to the outer districts.
Please nuke Poland because PiS and their supporters ruined this country beyond repair.
have a nice day israelite, no more white deaths
Locations don't matter...if more than 500 nukes used up at that war enviroment everywhere is so polluted than no one can survival. No food, no pure water, no vegatation, no animals. Just moon like lifeless world everywhere. No matter are you in bunker because some day you have to come out and see habitat which no longer support life.
Sorry to break your dreams of greatness.
I'd say fr*nch, but we'd just kill Black folk and muzzies and we'd do them a favor.
See
Just do it in russia.
I know you came here to shill, but would you at least do me a favour and read the OP carefully? Thanks. This kind of mental exercise could actually help you to take your mind off things.
Oh, sorry, he did say "Europe". Belarus then.
London
Wow, that’s a first, could you elaborate?
I’ll bite: why Belarus?
Because Ukraine's experience makes it much easier countering russian capabilities in a post-Soviet country with similar terrain.
Hell, but it’s not similar like at al
A very very very narrow theatre, can’t manoeuvre wide enough, no big urban agglomerations to fight in or for. Overall, meh, 3/10.
I would like the war to entirely tale place within the confines of the borders of England and no further thanks
Kinda works, if we’re going Mercia/East Anglia way, but why would you confine this to a such limited in space theatre?
Narva, Estonia. One family member of mine has a great history of killing russian subhumans there,as a part of 5th panzer division "Wiking", first getting flown in to help 3rd panzer division "Totenkopf" breaking out of an encirclement. Killing filthy asiatic orcs for the safety of white europeans at that very spot again, would be both amazing and beautiful.
Time to get it over with
>What scenery in Europe would you like for Verdun-esque Isonzo style meatgrinder?
Will be around Cologne according to a ton of prophecies over the last centuries. Russia will lose.
The obvious choice is Poland. They never fight well, for whatever reasons. The quick capitulation of Poland would strike panic into the rest of Europe and would be enough to get Germany to break away off nato and do deals. Germany is next door plus they need Russian energy anyway so it would be saving themselves twice. Without Germany or France what is the point of nato? UK doesn't even want to be part of EU. War in Poland is very symbollic too because WW2 started there. It's the ultimate sign Russia is not messing around.
>What scenery in Europe would you like for Verdun-esque Isonzo style meatgrinder?
Rhineland most likely
Too mountainous for my taste
Okay, not in Europe technically, but why?
Any specific place comes to mind?
Off topic
Nope
Also no, but I appreciate the effort, anon
Honestly I've always wanted a Fulda redux, It bothers me sometimes never knowing how that would've turned out.
So, Frankfurt then, or we staying out of cities?
Lads, can we just pretty please?
Grebbeberg for my nation.
Novosibirsk
IDK, somehere central. After 2 decades of desert fighting I'd like the boys to have some shade.
Bulgaria shall give back Transylvania immediately
Please attack Stockholm
please note, this is not an all inclusive map and can be further refined, but just to kill most of the israelites, pakis, Black folk, mudslimes, etc.
>So, since it seems we’re heading towards WW3: Battleground Europe
Why do you think this? Is it because of something Putin said because he's full of shit. Him chickening out after sweden and finland joined nato made me lose every shred of respect for him (however small it was before.)
Island hopping in the Adriatic sea.
Amphibious operations on sharp, edgy limestone rocks.
Well, see, that’s exactly what I was trying to avoid, Pacific theatre vibes are pretty boring, although rich in casualties. I’ll say this, I can get behind lightning paratrooper raids, but that’s not the kind of battle I had in mind.
Seeing footage of Russia's naval infantry in action would be top kino.
The location most preferred for war crimes
Well Finland, but that's the reason we're in this mess isn't it. Anyway, such a fight would be won or lost in the air, wherever it is.
No more brother wars, call me when its ww3 against china and i might consider it.