On one hand people say the police don't use their guns much, but on the other hand cops aren't very smart and might fuck them up (like over torquing the WML on a Glock)
Would you trust a police trade-in?
On one hand people say the police don't use their guns much, but on the other hand cops aren't very smart and might fuck them up (like over torquing the WML on a Glock)
I have two of them. Very high quality, have functioned flawlessly for decades. They are my primary carry & home defense weapons.
> tl;dr - Yes.
Fpbp
> be me
> see local pd trade in m&p .40 for sale
> whynot.jpg
> $350 for ammo, mags, holster and gun
> No problems ~500 rounds in.
> even found the armory tag in the box.
I have three:
S&W 6906
Sig P229 with the slide made in Germany
S&W Model 10
I also have a S&W model 64 security company trade in.
All of them have functioned perfectly and are fun to shoot.
Bonus points if you find out what department they came from.
Don't buy anything from those fucks
Classic Firearms? Or are you talking about supporting police in general by buying trade-ins?
>Classic Firearms
They are a really shitty company and are leftist
I'm glad I'm not the only one that noticed that. Also their YouTube channel is extremely cringey and try-hard to be funny and "hip".
What did you notice, exactly? If I Google it all I get are results of leftists complaining about classic firearms sending them pro trump stuff.
There's a couple of MAGAt-tier Qopetards that camp out on PrepHole and constantly scream "LEFTIST!" without any clue what the word actually means. (pro-tip: it has no meaning outside of the Fox fart-huffing hugbox)
Ignore it when you see it and don't give the pathetic little morons oxygen. They're 4chantard trying to masquerade as wolves and are too mentally ill to fit in anywhere outside the Special Needs Board.
wrong, leftists means people who have marxist leninist views, advocate for open borders, illegal immigration, de-funding police, gender identity politics and other issues that subvert and destroy modern society by advocating for communist ideologies.
so freedom
>so freedom
brown hands typed this post
im sorry you have father issues
Sorry you’ve never seen your father
poor excuse for a come back fren care to try again?
Don't forget the only party that has the highest support for gun control are leftists.
That's not what leftist means.
doesn't matter. shades of red are shades of red.
are you sure you're not describing yourself with that last sentence? might want to taper off the chudshine a bit. eat some meat, go for a run, drink some water, and take some super male vitality. something to get those testosterone levels back to normal. you're not you when your hormones are out of whack.
They post in the SRA quite common and decried "racism" in the "gun community"
I'll be sure to buy stuff from Classic just to piss you off.
they had some 1903a3s come and go recently. they were all 1903a3s, but they were listed as 1903/03a3s as though they had plenty of both when it was just the one. Pretty misleading. They still have some broken Finnish m28/30s and M28s for an arm and a leg.
Classic Firearms has always overpriced their milsurp.
Sweaty Ben makes you a deal. You'll pay a bit more, but you'll get what you're looking for today. It's not so bad if milsurp has dried up locally.
>I GOTTA CONSOOOOOOOOM
Pitiful
classic firearms, the pigs already got paid
>supporting police in general by buying trade-ins?
>buying a used gun from a gun store is supporting police
could you find any other excuse to gargle LEO dick?
LEO trade ins can be alright sure it’s not as guaranteed as brand new but I’d say it’s a cut above pre owned from Jim-bob down the way seeing as how cops actually use their firearms even if it’s just for training
As for classic firearms I’ve never dealt with them but I saw this video that made me think they may be less reputable
Good lord I thought they looked somewhat sketchy but now I don't even want to look at them.
99% of those guns will have never seen a round fired outside of qualifications, its like buying a dealer test drive for half price, its free real estate.
Not to mention police guns are usually inspected annually by the armorer and cops aren’t allowed to modify their guns. I had to have the armorer “install” my G-10 grips. I my first duty gun (1989 P228) and I bought a PD Glock and 870 and think they are usually good deals.
Can be a bit of a gamble, especially for ones that are bought sight unseen.
I've only ever had good experiences though.
I bought a PD trade-in USP .45 from King's Firearms for $480 and looked like it had barely ever been fired,
but did have a bit of holster-wear and the mag baseplates looked chewed up from being dropped on the pavement.
Pretty sure cops don’t use WML’s on pistols unless they’re SWAT.
I have a couple. USP45 and two 226s. Buying used guns assuming they haven't been dicked with stupid stuff that compromises safety and reliability is a non issue. Only thing to look out for is what you're getting and what the maintenance intervals on some parts. My old P226 had some springs break on me but it was from '89. You don't have to worry about that on Glocks.
>literally what is almost every video on policeactivity
I've purchased Italian police surplus guns, they generally are low mileage high holster wear guns, so they are perfect for people who want a functional gun that isn't beat to shit but doesn't mind the finish being worn in.
literally purchased my guns from cops
>All in perfect condition
>Two typos in one sentence.
Only one typo, are you trolling or high?
Contains and California
>the boomer typed it in all caps so spell check didn't work
>cointains
idk what a co intain is, but it sure sounds scary
While the majority of my guns are "used," only these can be assumed they come from police.
The beretta was actually a police 40sw 96g centurion i have fucked with beyond all recognition, it's my favorite gun.
The p38 is an import from some police station, the station's precinct number was crossed out as part of the import marking
The HK45c probably belonged to either a fed or a Border Patrol agent, most likely BP since i'm in texas, and the P226 is my duty carry gun, a DAK trigger in 40sw that looks like it's been dropped off the back of a police car. This one i bought directly from a police distributor.
I carry the hk and p226, wouldnt think twice about trusting any of the others.
Police straight up sell guns illegally amigo
If you want one, buy it, just be sure to inspect it, clean it, and replace any small parts.
I have a family member that was in law enforcement from the 90's to mid 2000's, that helped do a little bit of quarter mastering here and there for the department.
Lots of Cops would fire their M5906's and Glocks only once a year for qualification then throw them back in the holster, dirty, until the next year.
He said it wasn't uncommon for them to find fully functioning guns with broken parts or pins inside held together by gunk.
Do they inspect the guns before they're sold? Or are there trade-ins like you just described, so neglected that they're actually broken and held together by gunk?
When my former PD replaced our P228’s with P2229’s, Sig was gonna take the old ones as trade credit and resell to another agency, likely overseas. Just like used cars from a lease, the best will be sold as “factory certified used” (remember the Sig Red boxes?). My G19 is a factory reconditioned red label. (Prob ex-PD)
>Would you trust a police trade-in?
Yeah? Just change out extractors and hammer springs if you're that concerned
Basically all of my guns are police trade ins. I've never had any issues.
I have a USP in .45 date code 99' that was a Maine State Police gun and I have never had an issue with it. Has holster wear but almost no wear on the barrel or internals. I think I paid $500 for it and it it's what I keep in the car.
This is good info.
1. Cop guns will have wear from 20 years of sitting in holsters.
2. Most likely they will be properly cleaned after every shoot
3. They likely won't have dumb modifications
4. They won't be clapped out because they likely only do annual qualifications.
That is for big federal police forces though, small "bring your own gun" ones will be as fucked up as the individual force.
I worked for a 350 man county PD and my SGT. inspected our pistols weekly at lineup for cleanliness. When I was a fed, aside from the range guy( nobody wanted to see my gun Kek.
Pic related: Just like getting hosed by Carmax buying your car, in 2000 dollars, Sig was gonna give the PD $130 credit for every P228 trade in (with box and 3 mags). The leftist county banned trading them in bc of “muh more guns on the street” so the PR let us buy them for $130 if we promised not to resell. Best deal of my life.
They'll show lots of holster wear and the tritium will probably be dead. I would consider them heavily used and expect the pricing to reflect that.
Okay, so don't buy from Classic Firearms.
I also would never buy from Cheaper Than Dirt, super dirty business practices.
Who else doesn't deserve your money due to shady dealings?
It's obviously going to be dependent on each individual gun whether or not it was heavily used or well taken care of.
>like over torquing the WML on a Glock
According to my armorers, who know a shit ton more about Glocks than you do as it's their job to handle them and they handle them everyday, about 1 in 5 Glocks still have issues with mounted lights. This persists into gen 5, they will have failures simply because a light is mounted and when the light is removed it's fine. There's no way to fix it, they just swap the gun out with someone who doesn't want to mount a light, Glock will not take them back or acknowledge the issue. No, they are not over torquing it, a group of armorers, gun experts, has tried everything and concluded they're just cheap pieces of shit and swapped them out for one that doesn't have Glocklight syndrome.
As I understood it over torquing a WML with the .40 cal models would cause malfunctions that persisted even after the light was removed.
Its because Glock Perfection(tm) means designing a pistol so light that you have to deathgrip it to ensure it runs reliably. I miss the days of Smith and Wesson wonder 9s and other metal frame 9mms being more popular, as those guns would just always work.
>Smith and Wesson wonder 9s
>those guns would just always work.
stop talking out your ass
can confirm. I love my model 39 LE trade-in but it needed a lot of TLC and still occasionally has stoppages due to wear.
They're well made and were good inexpensive workhorses for their time but don't deserve to be put on the same pedestal as the great steel-frame 9mms like the CZ-75, 92f and Hi-Power.
I don't care what your armorer's say. I've heard different from other armorer's and dozens of other people and sources about this. WML syndrome absolutely can and does persist after the WML is removed in many instances. I've literally had it happen to myself before.
Over torquing wasn't necessary, they'll do it if properly torqued sometimes too. They shoehorned .40 into the design, the mere existence of the weight of the WML hanging off the front end considerably increases frame flexing in an already marginally designed(for the caliber) firearm. shit starts contacting, wearing, and flexing around in ways it wasn't intended to and reliability can go out the window depending on the tolerance stacking of the particular handgun in question. Supposedly replacing magazine followers were the most common temporary fix(according to Brownells gunsmiths at least), but I've heard different from others, personally I doubt it's 100% consistent gun to gun given the low incidence rate.
If you want to run .40 on a duty grade polymer framed carry gun with a WML then get an M&P2.0, there's a reason they advertise the steel chassis. The Glocks other than 9mm and .45 are a mistake.
Really depends. I have 3 PD trade ins and only 2 needed some light TLC.
One was a gen 2 Glock that needed a new recoil spring and sights. The other was Remington police 870 that I had to replace the furniture because it was so fucked from the Puerto Rican heat. The 870 is pretty rough looking in the inside but all within normal wear. The Glock has really good rifling, so all the wear is from duty carry + some struggle marks.
The last is a Beretta 84BB that was in Italian customs service and spoiler, was basically untouched apart from light holster wear.
>already mounted light to my glock 9
Is it over bros?
Where do you even find them? Is there a wesbtie for this like GB?
>cops don't shoot their guns much
can verify, have a membership at a local SWAT/CERT range and I've met precisely one cop up there in my 3 years of going. Lotta hunting types though, and a few absolute shitshows but outside of a pistol class or two I've practically never seen a cop at a cop range.
they're fine, just inspect for obvious signs of heavy wear and choose accordingly.
Most cops aren't hitting the range constantly, but some do. Trade-ins from the same issue date in the same department can vary wildly in how much use they've had.
tldr treat buying them the same as any other used handgun
I found an OHP Mini-14 at a pawn shop that looks like it just sat in an armory so yeah.
Sweaty Ben's greasy thumb print eats thru stainless finish.
Have a Walther p1(post war p38 basically) that was from the west German police. Haven't had an issue with it, it has scuffs, and such, but mechanically great. No idea about American police, but the Krauts seemed to maintain their stuff fine.
>overtorquing glock wml
Only an issue on early gen 3 .40s, undone by taking the WML off
If you look it over for wear on the extractor and replace the recoil spring and magazine, I'd trust it just as much as a factory gun, maybe more.