In that case, no. I wouldn't.
Because I don't know anything about them.
There are small brands who make good quality stuff that's every bit as good as the big brands.
And there are small brands who make terrible cheap shit.
Since I've never heard of Total or Ingco, I don't know which category they fall under.
So my honest opinion on the brands really isn't worth anything, since I've never worked with them. I have no opinion.
But my honest answer of whether I'd buy them or not is "no." Ironically, for the same reason.
>moron thinks PrepHole is a monolithic entity.
Go post brand adverts on youtube you goonie. >muh google phone number!
You can't get one? What are you, 12?
Future scientists manage to have 4 burners at a time. It takes your average diy'er 5 years in industry to get a second phone number.
I might buy Lidl's Parkside since they have good warranty and really good prices. Don't want too much clutter with chargers and batteries so for now I'm sticking to Makita only.
Im sticking to Bosch cordless line (due to availability in my area), but my dad's been rocking the Parkside cordless drill for the last 4 years pretty regularly.
The drills are great for the price, I got a couple of their 12v ones at 15E each just for light drilling and driving screws without having to swap bits
I thought about grabbing one of the ~$40 AvidPower routers for a minute because the Ridgid is like $150. But then I realized Ryobi is only like $60 or free if I buy 2 batteries for $99, and then I saw a real good deal on a full size Kobalt router with a table for like $120, so it’s almost never really worth getting the cheapest unknown option unless you need it immediately and only need it to make it through one job.
yeah I just checked these mfs are huge > bought every euro brand except BP and Shell > 140B market cap > 24 billion cubic feet of proven reserves
absolute monsters
Ryobi is the dopest homeowner brand. Even if you own high quality Ridgid drills and saws like myself, Ryobi is an awesome second platform for all this random bullshit that you never knew you needed.
Pic related is an ad for the “Ryobi Beard Starter Kit”
I have no problem with Ryobi, most homegamers like me don't need much more. But why the gay yellow neon green color ? Use the old dark blue green or even plain black would be better. Who in marketing thinks this is a good idea?
No. Even on the off chance that they're as good as Milwaukee/Makita/Dewault there's the pretty high possibility of the company not being in business by the time I've got to buy new batteries
>A bunch of these amazon brands can use makita batteries
I don't know about makita but with milwaukee the battery itself tells the tool when to shut off to prevent over discharge of the battery, which will damage the li-ion battery cells.
A cheap amazon brand might not perform that feature. When you pull the trigger it might just run until the battery is fully drained, and thus could kill the expensive battery on the spot.
I'd do some research before mixing expensive batteries with cheap tools or vice versa.
This is the same shit I try to explain to the dumbasses who use a bunch of adapters but they’re the smartest people on the internet so they’re 100% positive that Chinese factory #729961 cares about your DeWalt batteries that rely on the tool for temp control and low voltage cutoff.
No joke my entire tool collection is total and INGCO they are made in the same factory and the batteries are interchangeable, they make quality tools at a solid very reasonable price. Love these tools and I literally can't recommend them enough, quite honestly frick Dewalt amd makita this total brand is soo worth.
I bought a $50 HYCHIKA sawzall and took out a 2' diameter tree on two batteries. I was impressed. The thing is if you buy shitty chinese garbage and it BREAKS then and only then do you invest in a better tool. Your are not a tradie, you aren't going to wear that shit out running it for 8 hours a day on half charges.
Just buy it. They’re probably Chinesium cells but unless you want to pony up for real name brand, then pull the trigger on the cheaper stuff. If they’re available and have been around for a few years and you think you will be able to buy new batteries in a couple years when needed, that’s half the battle
I have never heard of them. I bought a Hitachi cordless drill and a chop saw years ago. They have been good to me, so I bought a nice kit from Menards 2byears ago. They are not top of the line, but they will probably last the rest of my life.
Well, can you buy more reliably?
Can you get more batteries? Extra charger?
If not and yours dies, you are quite screwed.
Another tool compatible with the battery when you need one?
If not you will have to pay for both tool and battery in different system, without option to buy tool only.
Speaking of, can you buy them as tool only?
This may not apply to anyone, but once you outgrow them, will there be anyone willing to buy them off you?
>Well, can you buy more reliably?
yes, but older models could be replaced by newer ones, which could potentially eradicate older models from the market.
>Can you get more batteries? Extra charger?
Yes.
>Another tool compatible with the battery when you need one?
I haven't checked if the same battery could be used for other models, but Total / Ingco have interchangeable batteries.
>Speaking of, can you buy them as tool only?
in the used market only.
>but once you outgrow them, will there be anyone willing to buy them off you?
Depends on where you live. If you're in a place like India or the middle east, Total is viewed in positive light. But since PrepHole seems oblivious to them, I'd say you wouldn't be able to pass them around in western countries.
What? You've never been using a sander or grinder or something for a long period of time and noticed your hands start to get numb, tingly, and (if you're really pushing it) your grip weakens?
>Would you bother with lesser brands like Total / Ingco?
Me? No of course not because I have enough funds for "buy once cry once" expensive tools I plan on using for many years and for heavy projects. If I were poor or if I wanted to buy a starter kit for a child or someone who is very new to DIY I might buy chinesium junk that's highly limited and likely to burn out after a few real uses.
>isn't bosch made in china?
Yes pretty much all tools not meant for high end craftsmanship or industrial production are made in china.
Every tool brand is manufactured in china lmaoooooooo
>Every tool brand is manufactured in china lmaoooooooo
Fein, Festool, and Mafell are not but I know what you mean. "Chinesium" is slang for Chinese junk made on the Chinese philosophy of racing to the bottom to be cheaper than competitors. Some stuff from china can be acceptable quality if an American company is guiding the process.
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holy hell. is it just perceived quality then?
>holy hell. is it just perceived quality then?
No, higher cost tools made in china typically but not always have noticeably better QC, plastics, metals, batteries, electrical components, warranties and are better engineered to mitigate heat and common point-of-failure issues in designs (Milwaukee's recent heavy duty impact gun had a huge design flaw but they supposedly fixed it after enough customers/youtubers complained).
Is Bosch good for home renovation and garden work? I just bought a 18v 6A battery with charger for a wireless garden tool and plan to buy more of their tools.
>isn't bosch made in china?
Yes pretty much all tools not meant for high end craftsmanship or industrial production are made in china.
[...] >Every tool brand is manufactured in china lmaoooooooo
Fein, Festool, and Mafell are not but I know what you mean. "Chinesium" is slang for Chinese junk made on the Chinese philosophy of racing to the bottom to be cheaper than competitors. Some stuff from china can be acceptable quality if an American company is guiding the process.
[...] >holy hell. is it just perceived quality then?
No, higher cost tools made in china typically but not always have noticeably better QC, plastics, metals, batteries, electrical components, warranties and are better engineered to mitigate heat and common point-of-failure issues in designs (Milwaukee's recent heavy duty impact gun had a huge design flaw but they supposedly fixed it after enough customers/youtubers complained).
I work at Bosch (not Powertools, but another division).
Don't EVER buy the green tools. They're cheap shit.
ALWAYS buy the blue tools. First class tools that will last you decades. They're expensive, but in the long run will end up being much cheaper than the green stuff.
Lmao thanks anon. I bought the green grass cutterthing but i kind of expected it was cheap but ill only use it for some light yard work. Ill definitely buy the blue tools from now on, thanks!
>Would you bother with lesser brands like Total / Ingco?
Me? No of course not because I have enough funds for "buy once cry once" expensive tools I plan on using for many years and for heavy projects. If I were poor or if I wanted to buy a starter kit for a child or someone who is very new to DIY I might buy chinesium junk that's highly limited and likely to burn out after a few real uses.
Nah it's moreso the facts that
1. Dewault generally stays ahead/neck to neck with the best and newest power tools
2. Has a very large variety of tools for sale
3. Is guaranteed to stay in business do you don't have to worry about not being able to replace your batteries or get your warranty honored
i think it's more about the market you're in.
In places where total operates, it's pretty much the go to brand, has a ton of products, and have operated there for years.
You can pay for decent QC and tooling in China, and a lot of large companies will own their own factories over there, or you can outsource manufacturing to the cheapest possible third party factory im China like Harbor Freight does and the no-name companies,
They would have better control in the US if the factory were down the road from the engineers, but it’s 2023 and that would end up with $400 drills.
i meant there are no "impact drills". there's either hammer drills or impact drivers. how can a company that makes power tools make that mistake [...] and never correct it.
That’s not HomeDepot.de or whatever yuro shit
If yuros weren’t dumb enough, the “impact drill” thing makes talking to them even more confusing.
I bought a cheap Biltema one
It did its job... And that's really all I can say about it. Ought to get some drill bits before I attach things to walls again
Maybe in the past. But these days I'm pretty sure they have enough qualified engineers to design a thing with a motor, battery and some gearbox from scratch.
That is the difference between the soviet union and China, is that soviets never got past reverse engineering, while chinks either grown up out of this (for the most part, in case of semiconductors they are even reverse engineering chink products lol), or just bought western companies (like idk, IBM, Volvo, etc.) and didn't fire engineering dept. just yet.
>while chinks either grown up out of this (for the most part, in case of semiconductors they are even reverse engineering chink products lol), or just bought western companies (like idk, IBM, Volvo, etc.) and didn't fire engineering dept. just yet.
Two words: industrial espionage.
They try to buy military secrets all the time from people risking decades in prison. I can't imagine how much more they try to buy or steal non-classified proprietary R&D from US companies where the employees face less consequences for selling out the company secrets for $20k a pop.
There is a difference between stealing (commie method) and just buying a company.
There is a chinese company, Ninebot, they got sued by Segway because of a patent on a self-balancing things... In the end chinks just bought Segway lol.
But yeah, there isn't much classified R&D in drill. Electric motors existed since forever, lithium batteries are figured out too, even new brushless stuff is solved too. So drill manufacturing boils down to picking sort of plastic, shape of the drill, and where to source components (i.e. Shenzhen battery vs LG, or idk, Mabuchi vs Shenzhen).
Some manufacturers are somewhat naughty (go to aliexpress, search drill, and you will get bunch of 1:1 clones of Makita HP330 from the outside, but internally they are different).
>spend weeks searching for used cordless tools with batteries of unknown health and pay more for “good condition” tools than you would if you got them on sale at Home Depot
I’ve wasted too much time in pawn shops
I didn’t buy shit from the pawn shop because they all wanted 80% of MSRP for beat ass old tools. The only deal I found was something where they priced it as a lesser model, but when I went to the store to grab the thing, they had transferred it to another one of their locations on the other side of town and I said “frick it”.
>spend weeks searching for used cordless tools with batteries of unknown health and pay more for “good condition” tools than you would if you got them on sale at Home Depot
lmao this. used tools can be cool for sure, but the best sales of the year at HD and Lowe's or free battery/tool deals edge the frick out of trying to buy someone's heavily-used M18 Fuel tools
I wanted an angle grinder for small diameter rods and other small things, and bought this.
>all reviews b***h how it barely cuts rebar with both batteries used >people b***hing about it not working way out of its intended use.
Its chinese brand, they will exaggerate what its capable of. I bought it, and it cut through 4mm like butter.
The reviews said batteries are crap, and I wouldn't be surprised they used 18650 that don't have discharge rate needed for power tools.
I plan to source some batteries from ipact power tools, buy bms thats widely available for these and 3d print a housing I found online, see if better rated batteries can make this better for the price.
any idea if those batteries match with M12 or Bosch 12v at all? Same form factor and I don't know why they would reinvent the wheel when they could just invest in a different set of stickers and make "for M12" or whatever batteries too
They don’t look the same. The Bosch and M12 batteries have the center cell sticking up a little higher than the left and right.
Tons of those Chinese knockoffs with 18V batteries run off Makita clone batteries, and you can use real Makita batteries on them. That 12V tool does’t look quite like the old Makita 12V either though, but that screengrab isn’t very high-res
They’re built to different standards. One is made to survive the warranty period of a weekender using it a couple times a month, the others are made to survive 40hrs a week on a jobsite. Better materials, better fasteners, better parts. Cheap thin ABS plastic vs fiberglass reinforced stuff, cheap brushed generic motor and trigger vs new brushless motor and circuits all coated to keep the elements out and a well-sealed trigger, plastic chuck vs all metal name brand chuck, better cooling vents and fans and heat sinks on the better tool, etc.
But for the weekender, you’re going to run Milwaukee and DeWalt tools until the battery platform goes extinct as long as you don’t do anything dumb.
Kek no, open up a Milwaukee tool and battery and then open up a Harbor Freight Warrior or even Bauer next to it, they definitely use better parts in the better tools, and then another part of the premium cost goes to extra features.
I hate to say it, but if you watch a couple videos from the annoying AvE guy tearing down tools, he mentions where they spend money building a tool and where they save money.
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Here’s a Milwaukee. Even without getting into materials and machining and QC, there’s a whole lot more extra stuff in the red drill that is more compact and far more powerful.
>both have plastic chuck (grips) >one is brushless, therefore needs more electronics (controllers n' sheeit)
Waow!
Take apart a cheap and expensive corded tool and they are both simple and have similar parts. Only the more expensive one will (generally) be made from better quality parts and materials.
8 months ago
Bepis
>the more expensive one will be made from better quality parts and materials
What the hell do you think I said? And there’s going to be small features a simpleton like yourself wouldn’t see that make the thing function better and/or survive longer.
And when you mention corded, you’re trying to move goalposts because the big companies don’t care about corded and the designs are old, so the no-name versions are copies with worse materials and no QC. Newer cordless tools have a ton more recent R&D put into them and the difference in parts and design is more stark. But even comparing an old model and a cheap copy, there’s going to be cheap wiring or cheap contacts or motor windings and a shitty bearing here and a lower quality Chinesium plastic there and missing a bushing that keeps dust out over the years.
8 months ago
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>there’s going to be small features a simpleton like yourself wouldn’t see >t. tool and tripgaygery expert* (collector) extraordinaire.
8 months ago
Bepis
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>Bepis !n/ZnkB9jUw
(You) are now filtered!
> block people who point out your ignorance
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8 months ago
Bepis
>Only the more expensive one will (generally) be made from better quality parts and materials.
Here’s a Milwaukee. Even without getting into materials and machining and QC, there’s a whole lot more extra stuff in the red drill that is more compact and far more powerful.
>Even without getting into materials and machining and QC,
Oh you mean the things that would make a concrete statement, as opposed to just conjecture?
No matter how many blogposts you read, you personally would have no clue how to articulate a signifigant difference between the internals in a Hercules and a Milwaukee drill. >it looks better, just because it does OK!
The reality is all the brands, harbor freight brands like Bauer and Hercules included, are a lot closer in build quality than you are trying to make it seem.
8 months ago
Bepis
>it’s true that cheaper tools use worse components and materials >but Bepis saying they use cheaper components and materials is conjecture
So dumb.
Also now you’re trying to compare Hercules and Milwaukee… so you’re comparing a Red drill that costs $150-$200 with a charger and two batteries to a Blue drill that costs $70, plus $90 for two basic 5 cell batteries and $45 for a charger? Oh and because logic isn’t your thing, that’s $205 for the Hercules setup.
And Bauer is most definitely built to a lower standard than Hercules and Milwaukee, which is why Milwaukee and Hercules are in the $$$ price range and Bauer is more of a $$ DIYer and boomer tool, similar to Ryobi and Craftsman.
Something about goalposts, you really love picking those things up and moving them around.
>Imagine you are on a job site and your tool breaks, you are fricked. Imagine you are doing something important at home and the tool breaks.
literally just drive to harbor freight and get another one, or borrow someone else's
it's not rocket science
I have literally never seen anyone using a battery powered tool here in south america. I’m sure some people have them, but frick consumable chinesium batteries.
i went and got one today (total tdli20051). here's my experience: > the grey parts of the body feel rubberized to the touch, but they're made of plastic. > it's 1.28kg in weight which makes it feel like a toy somewhat, and because of the flashy green color. > performance wise it hasn't met a screw it couldn't handle. > the led light is pretty much useless, the shadow of the chuck is right where you're drilling. > you can turn on the led light by halfway pressing the trigger. > even though this isn't made for drilling walls, i thought i'd put an 8mm drill bit and go sideways through a brick, it went through it easily. > the box it came in was too tight, all the pieces were squeezed in to the point that the carton box was bulging somewhat on one side. > i don't know why that is, but the body smells .. "sweet". i own a total hammer and it smells the same. it's like petroleum type of sweet.
Why do tool manufacturers have to try to make their tools look like moronic sci-fi laser guns and shit? It didn't used to be this way. Why can't it just be a simple useful tool instead of something that looks like a transformer's dick?
It’s because they are marketed to one-time-user woke renters that identify with shiea lebeuaff and others with similarly nonsensical names nobody can spell.
Pro tools and stuff used in factories don’t look like that. Period. When they grow up, they stay with the the brand and models they devote their religious zealotry towards with looking at what actual pros use.
Also, those rubber overmolds leak out their plasticizers, get sticky, smelly, and crumble so as to promote planned obsolescence due to intentionally poor construction, like dewilt’s “bumblebee” motif which has to be sent over from the u.s. becuase transformer movies are probably banned in china, and dewalt is a 100% chinese company.
> woke shit power tool mfgs doo
Even from a malfeasance/woke/marketing/scam/rip-off-the-consumer perspective, they’re even dumber than dumb. Instead of making new mold tooling every fricking year at $1M a crack, just make it plain, and sell silicone skins with, say, X-Man motifs (or whatever) for a $100 a crack.
Worked for smart phones and tablets.
Huh.
Well, at least it doesn’t have overmolding.
So people are really buying things that look like laser guns from whatever era they heydayed in. Interesting.
I just buy corded chicago electric trash tools from harbor freight with the intention of returning them when they break. Surprisingly I've had much better luck with their power tools than their hand tools. Only problem I've had is burning out an electric screwdriver, impact/jigsaw/reciprocating saw/orbital sander/ have all been great. The batteries have been baking in my uninsulated phoenix az garage for 4 summers and still zero issues.
spent years fricking with different brands... am now convinced there are only three brands of drills worth buying, in order: Milwaukee, Mikita, and Dewalt. Everything else is shit.
Hercules cordless tools aren’t any cheaper than the competition when you factor in a Milwaukee kit price (and their costant sales).
Sure, you can buy a basic brushed Hercules drill and impact driver for $60ea, and $40 for a charger for $40ea for two compact batteries ($240), or you can go buy a trusted brand with a 3-5 year warranty and get a brushless drill, impact driver, two batteries, and a charger for $150-$200.
Also Hercules has the slide pack batteries. If you’re not already invested in a brand, just go M12 where the battery design actually makes sense on tools like that, plus their 12V lineup is way larger than any other 12V lineup. You can get the M12 non-Fuel ratchets for pretty cheap, especially considering it’s always offered as a free tool with a Hackzall kit or the Fuel drill and impact kit, and probably the Fuel ratchets with 2 better batteries for <$200 if you grab one of their deals.
i will admit i have been approached by a certain company. they'll pay me some $5000 to go to some dead beat ass board online, and discuss their brand. absolutely. you got me.
> mum needs to completely redo her kitchen / bathroom > hires ukrainian guy (instead of the hundreds of arabs / asiatics readily available in this country) > hohol mujik motherfricker fricks up everything > kitchen is a disaster, mum stopped him before he could do more damage > calls on me and my friend to fix everything > no tools in this appartment > have to do a complete overhaul from scratch, repurposing the ikea furniture he ruined > budget is tight because already paid Hohol half the contracted amount > mum buys me a full set of tools from no-name brand Dexter
Honestly, not bad. Good enough for casual work.
It's not Bosch or Makita, but it gets the job done. The saws and drills worked fine, their toolbox is okay...She spent less than 400€ for a very complete kit including plumbing tools and I was able to do everything.
Is it a good idea to get refurbished tools? If so, where do you recommend getting them?
Are you in the US? Depends on the prices because the cordless tools go on sale so often that it might not be worth it.
There’s a website that sells the refurb and scratch & dent Ryobi and Ridgid tools and looking at it, the only real deals are tools that are 3 generations old, the refurb and damaged stuff is real close to what you would pay if you waited a couple weeks for a free battery or tool sale at Home Depot and I doubt you get anywhere near the same warranty on those damaged tools as the new ones.
I just changed tactic. Been working with battery tool for 12 years as an employee and was given freedom of choice. Been rolling with Dewalt, Milwaukee and Bosch. All have their ups and downs but generally real good shit overall. But this was when I wasn't paying for them myself. I quit my job and started building a homestead and I have an hour drive to get to a store to by any of former mentioned brand but only 10 min lowprice version of homedepot which only sell Einhell at 1/4 of price of the "good brands". There tools are decent, about the same power and they get the job done but not same quality ofc but since the cheap homedepot styled store is so much closer I can replace them much quicker and every time I run in to a problem which require a tool I don't already have I can solve it much quicker by going to the cheap store. Same with faulty batteries are much easier to get a hold off/replace. As I said, not as good quality but still have at least 50% lifetime of good brands and a quarter of the price so in the end I get more actual toollife at the same price. Store also gives 1 year warranty and if registered to einhell I get 3 years. Have not noticed any difference when It comes to battery lifetime. My situation is of course pretty specific but maybe it will works for others. I don't know if I would reason like this if I was doing commercial stuff.
Honestly Einhell/Ozito are based. Have never met another tradie who actually has something bad to say about them other than you'll get made fun of for using them. They are fun to abuse because they are so cheap.
Also for the nerds, the battery is technically the best for other DIY use, them (and ryobi, but frick that shape...) are the only one with the protection circuitry on the battery instead of on the tool.
Why do modern tools all look like they've been designed by a toy company? This looks like something designed to unfold into a robot from the 80's. It's even infecting hand tools.
I bought a Walmart Hypertough impact driver for $35 with the intention of working it to death and getting something better. 18 months later it still works like a champ although I did kick it off a ladder and cracked the plastic so the battery will pop loose easily.
Pretty much every review of the nu-Skil has been really good and it’s a lot of bang for your buck. Amazon has deals on them for the low all the time. I would shill them instead of Ryobi if they had a larger lineup, assuming you have faith that they will still be in production by Chervon or whoever in another 5 years.
if you want to change over batteries there is a good chance all you need is a battery kit and to cannibalize the electronics and with a few sawdered wires you can solve your problem.
yes, i got one of these and they work just fine. with the sole exception of a small wobble. i found makitas online that suffer the same problem so it's not so bad.
>lesser brands
"lesser brands?"
LESSER BRANDS??!
The patriarchal microaggressions of Tool Privilege.
Just want an honest opinion from PrepHole. Yes or No and why.
In that case, no. I wouldn't.
Because I don't know anything about them.
There are small brands who make good quality stuff that's every bit as good as the big brands.
And there are small brands who make terrible cheap shit.
Since I've never heard of Total or Ingco, I don't know which category they fall under.
So my honest opinion on the brands really isn't worth anything, since I've never worked with them. I have no opinion.
But my honest answer of whether I'd buy them or not is "no." Ironically, for the same reason.
>moron thinks PrepHole is a monolithic entity.
Go post brand adverts on youtube you goonie.
>muh google phone number!
You can't get one? What are you, 12?
Future scientists manage to have 4 burners at a time. It takes your average diy'er 5 years in industry to get a second phone number.
Why would you even bother to great a troll thread?
I might buy Lidl's Parkside since they have good warranty and really good prices. Don't want too much clutter with chargers and batteries so for now I'm sticking to Makita only.
Im sticking to Bosch cordless line (due to availability in my area), but my dad's been rocking the Parkside cordless drill for the last 4 years pretty regularly.
The drills are great for the price, I got a couple of their 12v ones at 15E each just for light drilling and driving screws without having to swap bits
>Total
I thought they only make engine oil.
I thought about grabbing one of the ~$40 AvidPower routers for a minute because the Ridgid is like $150. But then I realized Ryobi is only like $60 or free if I buy 2 batteries for $99, and then I saw a real good deal on a full size Kobalt router with a table for like $120, so it’s almost never really worth getting the cheapest unknown option unless you need it immediately and only need it to make it through one job.
No because im not a moron
>Would you bother with lesser brands
No, I would never buy lesser brands like Ryobi
Your loss
i would grind her angle if you know what i mean
Oh baby girl your battery is dead? I got a 6.0 HP right here for ya!
isn't Total a french oil megacorp that got so big it's now punching against Exxon?
yeah I just checked these mfs are huge
> bought every euro brand except BP and Shell
> 140B market cap
> 24 billion cubic feet of proven reserves
absolute monsters
Ryobi is the dopest homeowner brand. Even if you own high quality Ridgid drills and saws like myself, Ryobi is an awesome second platform for all this random bullshit that you never knew you needed.
Pic related is an ad for the “Ryobi Beard Starter Kit”
those brushes are good for washing away your bloodline eh bepis?
Tbqhwy they don’t work that great. Drills just aren’t good with the spinning motion. My wife isn’t a fan.
A beard who just rented his first apartment? Nah.
You never thought to buy a tape measure before? kek
nice feet
I have no problem with Ryobi, most homegamers like me don't need much more. But why the gay yellow neon green color ? Use the old dark blue green or even plain black would be better. Who in marketing thinks this is a good idea?
Hi vis yellow isn't "gay." It's a serious worker's color.
if you cant even afford a piece of shit ryobi or craftsman then you have no business doing diy
No. Even on the off chance that they're as good as Milwaukee/Makita/Dewault there's the pretty high possibility of the company not being in business by the time I've got to buy new batteries
A bunch of these Amazon brands can use makita batteries
>A bunch of these amazon brands can use makita batteries
I don't know about makita but with milwaukee the battery itself tells the tool when to shut off to prevent over discharge of the battery, which will damage the li-ion battery cells.
A cheap amazon brand might not perform that feature. When you pull the trigger it might just run until the battery is fully drained, and thus could kill the expensive battery on the spot.
I'd do some research before mixing expensive batteries with cheap tools or vice versa.
This is the same shit I try to explain to the dumbasses who use a bunch of adapters but they’re the smartest people on the internet so they’re 100% positive that Chinese factory #729961 cares about your DeWalt batteries that rely on the tool for temp control and low voltage cutoff.
>TOTAL
No joke my entire tool collection is total and INGCO they are made in the same factory and the batteries are interchangeable, they make quality tools at a solid very reasonable price. Love these tools and I literally can't recommend them enough, quite honestly frick Dewalt amd makita this total brand is soo worth.
OK. Does anyone else vouch for TOTAL?
I bought a $50 HYCHIKA sawzall and took out a 2' diameter tree on two batteries. I was impressed. The thing is if you buy shitty chinese garbage and it BREAKS then and only then do you invest in a better tool. Your are not a tradie, you aren't going to wear that shit out running it for 8 hours a day on half charges.
2" diameter is tiny. You should be able to get that done in like 5-10 minutes not including prep time.
Just buy it. They’re probably Chinesium cells but unless you want to pony up for real name brand, then pull the trigger on the cheaper stuff. If they’re available and have been around for a few years and you think you will be able to buy new batteries in a couple years when needed, that’s half the battle
Same shit, different sticker. Buy whatever you want.
I have never heard of them. I bought a Hitachi cordless drill and a chop saw years ago. They have been good to me, so I bought a nice kit from Menards 2byears ago. They are not top of the line, but they will probably last the rest of my life.
Well, can you buy more reliably?
Can you get more batteries? Extra charger?
If not and yours dies, you are quite screwed.
Another tool compatible with the battery when you need one?
If not you will have to pay for both tool and battery in different system, without option to buy tool only.
Speaking of, can you buy them as tool only?
This may not apply to anyone, but once you outgrow them, will there be anyone willing to buy them off you?
>Well, can you buy more reliably?
yes, but older models could be replaced by newer ones, which could potentially eradicate older models from the market.
>Can you get more batteries? Extra charger?
Yes.
>Another tool compatible with the battery when you need one?
I haven't checked if the same battery could be used for other models, but Total / Ingco have interchangeable batteries.
>Speaking of, can you buy them as tool only?
in the used market only.
>but once you outgrow them, will there be anyone willing to buy them off you?
Depends on where you live. If you're in a place like India or the middle east, Total is viewed in positive light. But since PrepHole seems oblivious to them, I'd say you wouldn't be able to pass them around in western countries.
wtf
What? You've never been using a sander or grinder or something for a long period of time and noticed your hands start to get numb, tingly, and (if you're really pushing it) your grip weakens?
I thought by "emissions", they meant vapors coming out from the tool being carcinogenic.
its a risk, not a guarantee
never heard of white finger?
>Would you bother with lesser brands like Total / Ingco?
Me? No of course not because I have enough funds for "buy once cry once" expensive tools I plan on using for many years and for heavy projects. If I were poor or if I wanted to buy a starter kit for a child or someone who is very new to DIY I might buy chinesium junk that's highly limited and likely to burn out after a few real uses.
isn't bosch made in china?
>isn't bosch made in china?
Yes pretty much all tools not meant for high end craftsmanship or industrial production are made in china.
>Every tool brand is manufactured in china lmaoooooooo
Fein, Festool, and Mafell are not but I know what you mean. "Chinesium" is slang for Chinese junk made on the Chinese philosophy of racing to the bottom to be cheaper than competitors. Some stuff from china can be acceptable quality if an American company is guiding the process.
>holy hell. is it just perceived quality then?
No, higher cost tools made in china typically but not always have noticeably better QC, plastics, metals, batteries, electrical components, warranties and are better engineered to mitigate heat and common point-of-failure issues in designs (Milwaukee's recent heavy duty impact gun had a huge design flaw but they supposedly fixed it after enough customers/youtubers complained).
Is Bosch good for home renovation and garden work? I just bought a 18v 6A battery with charger for a wireless garden tool and plan to buy more of their tools.
I work at Bosch (not Powertools, but another division).
Don't EVER buy the green tools. They're cheap shit.
ALWAYS buy the blue tools. First class tools that will last you decades. They're expensive, but in the long run will end up being much cheaper than the green stuff.
Lmao thanks anon. I bought the green grass cutterthing but i kind of expected it was cheap but ill only use it for some light yard work. Ill definitely buy the blue tools from now on, thanks!
Every tool brand is manufactured in china lmaoooooooo
holy hell. is it just perceived quality then?
Nah it's moreso the facts that
1. Dewault generally stays ahead/neck to neck with the best and newest power tools
2. Has a very large variety of tools for sale
3. Is guaranteed to stay in business do you don't have to worry about not being able to replace your batteries or get your warranty honored
i think it's more about the market you're in.
In places where total operates, it's pretty much the go to brand, has a ton of products, and have operated there for years.
You can pay for decent QC and tooling in China, and a lot of large companies will own their own factories over there, or you can outsource manufacturing to the cheapest possible third party factory im China like Harbor Freight does and the no-name companies,
They would have better control in the US if the factory were down the road from the engineers, but it’s 2023 and that would end up with $400 drills.
this doesn't look right.
That’s what Yuros call a “Hammer Drill”
But there's no such thing.
well no, of course not in romania
i meant there are no "impact drills". there's either hammer drills or impact drivers. how can a company that makes power tools make that mistake
and never correct it.
That’s not HomeDepot.de or whatever yuro shit
If yuros weren’t dumb enough, the “impact drill” thing makes talking to them even more confusing.
It's a translation thing.
i got so confused.
> "is there such a thing as impact drill?"
google;
> no, no such thing. it's a driver.
do you think someone made a mistake long ago, and they stuck with it because europe?
I like to buy the $20 18v li-ion drills for stocking stuffers and white elephants. Everyone says they work fine
I bought a cheap Biltema one
It did its job... And that's really all I can say about it. Ought to get some drill bits before I attach things to walls again
mostly reverse engineers
Maybe in the past. But these days I'm pretty sure they have enough qualified engineers to design a thing with a motor, battery and some gearbox from scratch.
That is the difference between the soviet union and China, is that soviets never got past reverse engineering, while chinks either grown up out of this (for the most part, in case of semiconductors they are even reverse engineering chink products lol), or just bought western companies (like idk, IBM, Volvo, etc.) and didn't fire engineering dept. just yet.
>while chinks either grown up out of this (for the most part, in case of semiconductors they are even reverse engineering chink products lol), or just bought western companies (like idk, IBM, Volvo, etc.) and didn't fire engineering dept. just yet.
Two words: industrial espionage.
They try to buy military secrets all the time from people risking decades in prison. I can't imagine how much more they try to buy or steal non-classified proprietary R&D from US companies where the employees face less consequences for selling out the company secrets for $20k a pop.
There is a difference between stealing (commie method) and just buying a company.
There is a chinese company, Ninebot, they got sued by Segway because of a patent on a self-balancing things... In the end chinks just bought Segway lol.
But yeah, there isn't much classified R&D in drill. Electric motors existed since forever, lithium batteries are figured out too, even new brushless stuff is solved too. So drill manufacturing boils down to picking sort of plastic, shape of the drill, and where to source components (i.e. Shenzhen battery vs LG, or idk, Mabuchi vs Shenzhen).
Some manufacturers are somewhat naughty (go to aliexpress, search drill, and you will get bunch of 1:1 clones of Makita HP330 from the outside, but internally they are different).
The BMS IP is in their chipsets so when they source the chips they get the IP—it’s paid for in the cost of the chips.
Power tool mfgs are so far away from fabbing and designing their own stuff it’s not even funny. And getting further.
buy used in good condition
>spend weeks searching for used cordless tools with batteries of unknown health and pay more for “good condition” tools than you would if you got them on sale at Home Depot
I’ve wasted too much time in pawn shops
Your pawned tools will get used just as much as your home depot tools, so it would be fine.
I didn’t buy shit from the pawn shop because they all wanted 80% of MSRP for beat ass old tools. The only deal I found was something where they priced it as a lesser model, but when I went to the store to grab the thing, they had transferred it to another one of their locations on the other side of town and I said “frick it”.
>spend weeks searching for used cordless tools with batteries of unknown health and pay more for “good condition” tools than you would if you got them on sale at Home Depot
lmao this. used tools can be cool for sure, but the best sales of the year at HD and Lowe's or free battery/tool deals edge the frick out of trying to buy someone's heavily-used M18 Fuel tools
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>sparks
Pretty sure every brushed tool creates some spark.
I wanted an angle grinder for small diameter rods and other small things, and bought this.
>all reviews b***h how it barely cuts rebar with both batteries used
>people b***hing about it not working way out of its intended use.
Its chinese brand, they will exaggerate what its capable of. I bought it, and it cut through 4mm like butter.
The reviews said batteries are crap, and I wouldn't be surprised they used 18650 that don't have discharge rate needed for power tools.
I plan to source some batteries from ipact power tools, buy bms thats widely available for these and 3d print a housing I found online, see if better rated batteries can make this better for the price.
>https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BTNPDDBQ
m'lady
>pic related
Anyways, read filename as well.
I like to build shit with 3d printed parts, I hate those type of people trying to make it fully 3d printable "tools" or whatever.
>rando mini angle grinder
any idea if those batteries match with M12 or Bosch 12v at all? Same form factor and I don't know why they would reinvent the wheel when they could just invest in a different set of stickers and make "for M12" or whatever batteries too
They don’t look the same. The Bosch and M12 batteries have the center cell sticking up a little higher than the left and right.
Tons of those Chinese knockoffs with 18V batteries run off Makita clone batteries, and you can use real Makita batteries on them. That 12V tool does’t look quite like the old Makita 12V either though, but that screengrab isn’t very high-res
Absolutely not.
Imagine you are on a job site and your tool breaks, you are fricked. Imagine you are doing something important at home and the tool breaks.
Milwaukee is best. Makita is great. Ridgid will do fine. Frick everything else.
why would it be more prone to breakage?
They’re built to different standards. One is made to survive the warranty period of a weekender using it a couple times a month, the others are made to survive 40hrs a week on a jobsite. Better materials, better fasteners, better parts. Cheap thin ABS plastic vs fiberglass reinforced stuff, cheap brushed generic motor and trigger vs new brushless motor and circuits all coated to keep the elements out and a well-sealed trigger, plastic chuck vs all metal name brand chuck, better cooling vents and fans and heat sinks on the better tool, etc.
But for the weekender, you’re going to run Milwaukee and DeWalt tools until the battery platform goes extinct as long as you don’t do anything dumb.
This is all pure conjecture
Kek no, open up a Milwaukee tool and battery and then open up a Harbor Freight Warrior or even Bauer next to it, they definitely use better parts in the better tools, and then another part of the premium cost goes to extra features.
I hate to say it, but if you watch a couple videos from the annoying AvE guy tearing down tools, he mentions where they spend money building a tool and where they save money.
Here’s a cheap drill opened up
>both have plastic chuck (grips)
>one is brushless, therefore needs more electronics (controllers n' sheeit)
Waow!
Take apart a cheap and expensive corded tool and they are both simple and have similar parts. Only the more expensive one will (generally) be made from better quality parts and materials.
>the more expensive one will be made from better quality parts and materials
What the hell do you think I said? And there’s going to be small features a simpleton like yourself wouldn’t see that make the thing function better and/or survive longer.
And when you mention corded, you’re trying to move goalposts because the big companies don’t care about corded and the designs are old, so the no-name versions are copies with worse materials and no QC. Newer cordless tools have a ton more recent R&D put into them and the difference in parts and design is more stark. But even comparing an old model and a cheap copy, there’s going to be cheap wiring or cheap contacts or motor windings and a shitty bearing here and a lower quality Chinesium plastic there and missing a bushing that keeps dust out over the years.
>there’s going to be small features a simpleton like yourself wouldn’t see
>t. tool and tripgaygery expert* (collector) extraordinaire.
> block people who point out your ignorance
Pottery
>Only the more expensive one will (generally) be made from better quality parts and materials.
Here’s a Milwaukee. Even without getting into materials and machining and QC, there’s a whole lot more extra stuff in the red drill that is more compact and far more powerful.
>Even without getting into materials and machining and QC,
Oh you mean the things that would make a concrete statement, as opposed to just conjecture?
No matter how many blogposts you read, you personally would have no clue how to articulate a signifigant difference between the internals in a Hercules and a Milwaukee drill.
>it looks better, just because it does OK!
The reality is all the brands, harbor freight brands like Bauer and Hercules included, are a lot closer in build quality than you are trying to make it seem.
>it’s true that cheaper tools use worse components and materials
>but Bepis saying they use cheaper components and materials is conjecture
So dumb.
Also now you’re trying to compare Hercules and Milwaukee… so you’re comparing a Red drill that costs $150-$200 with a charger and two batteries to a Blue drill that costs $70, plus $90 for two basic 5 cell batteries and $45 for a charger? Oh and because logic isn’t your thing, that’s $205 for the Hercules setup.
And Bauer is most definitely built to a lower standard than Hercules and Milwaukee, which is why Milwaukee and Hercules are in the $$$ price range and Bauer is more of a $$ DIYer and boomer tool, similar to Ryobi and Craftsman.
Something about goalposts, you really love picking those things up and moving them around.
>Bepis !n/ZnkB9jUw
(You) are now filtered!
>Imagine you are on a job site and your tool breaks, you are fricked. Imagine you are doing something important at home and the tool breaks.
literally just drive to harbor freight and get another one, or borrow someone else's
it's not rocket science
I have literally never seen anyone using a battery powered tool here in south america. I’m sure some people have them, but frick consumable chinesium batteries.
i went and got one today (total tdli20051). here's my experience:
> the grey parts of the body feel rubberized to the touch, but they're made of plastic.
> it's 1.28kg in weight which makes it feel like a toy somewhat, and because of the flashy green color.
> performance wise it hasn't met a screw it couldn't handle.
> the led light is pretty much useless, the shadow of the chuck is right where you're drilling.
> you can turn on the led light by halfway pressing the trigger.
> even though this isn't made for drilling walls, i thought i'd put an 8mm drill bit and go sideways through a brick, it went through it easily.
> the box it came in was too tight, all the pieces were squeezed in to the point that the carton box was bulging somewhat on one side.
> i don't know why that is, but the body smells .. "sweet". i own a total hammer and it smells the same. it's like petroleum type of sweet.
Why do tool manufacturers have to try to make their tools look like moronic sci-fi laser guns and shit? It didn't used to be this way. Why can't it just be a simple useful tool instead of something that looks like a transformer's dick?
It’s because they are marketed to one-time-user woke renters that identify with shiea lebeuaff and others with similarly nonsensical names nobody can spell.
Pro tools and stuff used in factories don’t look like that. Period. When they grow up, they stay with the the brand and models they devote their religious zealotry towards with looking at what actual pros use.
Also, those rubber overmolds leak out their plasticizers, get sticky, smelly, and crumble so as to promote planned obsolescence due to intentionally poor construction, like dewilt’s “bumblebee” motif which has to be sent over from the u.s. becuase transformer movies are probably banned in china, and dewalt is a 100% chinese company.
You don’t like the big “X” they put on a bunch of orange tools to remind you it’s “Gen5X” even though this was the Octane line which is like gen 6?
They’re pretty damn ergonomic though and some of the odd corner soft parts actually help when you try to set it on a sloped car hood or something.
I feel like they went the worst with it 5-8 years ago and it’s settling back down.
> woke shit power tool mfgs doo
Even from a malfeasance/woke/marketing/scam/rip-off-the-consumer perspective, they’re even dumber than dumb. Instead of making new mold tooling every fricking year at $1M a crack, just make it plain, and sell silicone skins with, say, X-Man motifs (or whatever) for a $100 a crack.
Worked for smart phones and tablets.
Tell me this doesn't look like a 1950s laser gun
Huh.
Well, at least it doesn’t have overmolding.
So people are really buying things that look like laser guns from whatever era they heydayed in. Interesting.
It doesn't. A 1950s laser gun looks like it.
DON'T TALK SHIT ABOUT TOTAL
I just buy corded chicago electric trash tools from harbor freight with the intention of returning them when they break. Surprisingly I've had much better luck with their power tools than their hand tools. Only problem I've had is burning out an electric screwdriver, impact/jigsaw/reciprocating saw/orbital sander/ have all been great. The batteries have been baking in my uninsulated phoenix az garage for 4 summers and still zero issues.
spent years fricking with different brands... am now convinced there are only three brands of drills worth buying, in order: Milwaukee, Mikita, and Dewalt. Everything else is shit.
Currently eyeballing a cheap metabo trim router. But i cant find any reviews.
For me its Hyundai
No thank you. I’m a Ford man.
WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON?!
I consider DeWalt to be a lesser brand
my personal test
is the name embossed: decent brand
is the name stickered: shit non brand with some kinda drop shipping like setup
so wait is Hercules trash or OK? I'd like a cordless ratchet for home auto stuff and somehow I think they're probably on par with ryobi
you'll be fine using it at home man
dont let brand prostitutes dictate how you spend your money
Hercules cordless tools aren’t any cheaper than the competition when you factor in a Milwaukee kit price (and their costant sales).
Sure, you can buy a basic brushed Hercules drill and impact driver for $60ea, and $40 for a charger for $40ea for two compact batteries ($240), or you can go buy a trusted brand with a 3-5 year warranty and get a brushless drill, impact driver, two batteries, and a charger for $150-$200.
Also Hercules has the slide pack batteries. If you’re not already invested in a brand, just go M12 where the battery design actually makes sense on tools like that, plus their 12V lineup is way larger than any other 12V lineup. You can get the M12 non-Fuel ratchets for pretty cheap, especially considering it’s always offered as a free tool with a Hackzall kit or the Fuel drill and impact kit, and probably the Fuel ratchets with 2 better batteries for <$200 if you grab one of their deals.
Smaller one is a voltage tester and voltage (induction) detector. No battery. Only $2, cool novelty item
Voltage detector goes for $6, I trust my life on that
i tried total but it made me feel like a piece of SHIT!
why does it matter which brand of tool you use? paint it blue and pretend it's bosch.
Yeah they're fine. I know some contractors who use them (shithole country) and the tools do pretty well for them.
>shithole country
aww
i will admit i have been approached by a certain company. they'll pay me some $5000 to go to some dead beat ass board online, and discuss their brand. absolutely. you got me.
But do they offer a Lifetime Service Agreement?
yes absolutely, free wedding planning also.
I got a toy drill bit to be fair I knew it was going to be bad
I only buy anime-sponsored tool brands
i don't see a brand.
https://www.takagi-plc.co.jp/
> mum needs to completely redo her kitchen / bathroom
> hires ukrainian guy (instead of the hundreds of arabs / asiatics readily available in this country)
> hohol mujik motherfricker fricks up everything
> kitchen is a disaster, mum stopped him before he could do more damage
> calls on me and my friend to fix everything
> no tools in this appartment
> have to do a complete overhaul from scratch, repurposing the ikea furniture he ruined
> budget is tight because already paid Hohol half the contracted amount
> mum buys me a full set of tools from no-name brand Dexter
Honestly, not bad. Good enough for casual work.
It's not Bosch or Makita, but it gets the job done. The saws and drills worked fine, their toolbox is okay...She spent less than 400€ for a very complete kit including plumbing tools and I was able to do everything.
>Dexter
toolgay thread
Sí señor
Are you in the US? Depends on the prices because the cordless tools go on sale so often that it might not be worth it.
There’s a website that sells the refurb and scratch & dent Ryobi and Ridgid tools and looking at it, the only real deals are tools that are 3 generations old, the refurb and damaged stuff is real close to what you would pay if you waited a couple weeks for a free battery or tool sale at Home Depot and I doubt you get anywhere near the same warranty on those damaged tools as the new ones.
yeah, I live in the US, just kinda poor is all and have the poorgay mindset of I'd rather look for a deal and check the sale/ cheaper stuff first.
I just changed tactic. Been working with battery tool for 12 years as an employee and was given freedom of choice. Been rolling with Dewalt, Milwaukee and Bosch. All have their ups and downs but generally real good shit overall. But this was when I wasn't paying for them myself. I quit my job and started building a homestead and I have an hour drive to get to a store to by any of former mentioned brand but only 10 min lowprice version of homedepot which only sell Einhell at 1/4 of price of the "good brands". There tools are decent, about the same power and they get the job done but not same quality ofc but since the cheap homedepot styled store is so much closer I can replace them much quicker and every time I run in to a problem which require a tool I don't already have I can solve it much quicker by going to the cheap store. Same with faulty batteries are much easier to get a hold off/replace. As I said, not as good quality but still have at least 50% lifetime of good brands and a quarter of the price so in the end I get more actual toollife at the same price. Store also gives 1 year warranty and if registered to einhell I get 3 years. Have not noticed any difference when It comes to battery lifetime. My situation is of course pretty specific but maybe it will works for others. I don't know if I would reason like this if I was doing commercial stuff.
Honestly Einhell/Ozito are based. Have never met another tradie who actually has something bad to say about them other than you'll get made fun of for using them. They are fun to abuse because they are so cheap.
Also for the nerds, the battery is technically the best for other DIY use, them (and ryobi, but frick that shape...) are the only one with the protection circuitry on the battery instead of on the tool.
Is it a good idea to get refurbished tools? If so, where do you recommend getting them?
Why do modern tools all look like they've been designed by a toy company? This looks like something designed to unfold into a robot from the 80's. It's even infecting hand tools.
I frickin love getting Japanese tools in the mail because the packaging looks like candy.
admit it gays, you thought of it.
>tfw no longer corded in yellow
I bought a Walmart Hypertough impact driver for $35 with the intention of working it to death and getting something better. 18 months later it still works like a champ although I did kick it off a ladder and cracked the plastic so the battery will pop loose easily.
this thing is absolutely worth every penny of $100
it really is a great all around tool
Pretty much every review of the nu-Skil has been really good and it’s a lot of bang for your buck. Amazon has deals on them for the low all the time. I would shill them instead of Ryobi if they had a larger lineup, assuming you have faith that they will still be in production by Chervon or whoever in another 5 years.
if you want to change over batteries there is a good chance all you need is a battery kit and to cannibalize the electronics and with a few sawdered wires you can solve your problem.
yes, i got one of these and they work just fine. with the sole exception of a small wobble. i found makitas online that suffer the same problem so it's not so bad.
How is this shit tier shill thread still going?
talking brands isn't shilling anon. you're welcome to shit on them too.
Ive only ever bought Ryobi, Dewault, Rigid and Milwaukee