Would an average Civil War era regiment of US Army infantry be able to defeat an equal number of Japanese samurai performing a charge with suicidal de...

Would an average Civil War era regiment of US Army infantry be able to defeat an equal number of Japanese samurai performing a charge with suicidal determination?
The Americans have their usual kit with rifled muskets and the Japanese are in full armour and exclusively equipped for melee.
The engagement begins when the Japanese advance out of a forest that blocks visibility 400 yards in front of the Americans who're ready and waiting for them in line formation.

  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i suspect it would be difficult for both sides.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Just buy Fall of the Samurai and try it out

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    bruh samurai got destroyed by smoothbore matchlocks, why do you think they’d do any better against rifled percussion muskets

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      yeah but samurai wunderweapon steel fold thousand times

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They didn't just get destroyed, they converted wholesale. Musketry was the de-facto standard of Japanese, Vietnamese, Thai, Khmer, and even Arabic warfare by the very early 1600s.
      The whole "muh swerds" shit is a total byproduct of the myth of bushido that arose alongside Japanese nationalism in the 1920s. It has zero basis in actual samurai warfare. Even before this, archery was the gold standard of mounted samurai, and polearms the standard of infantry. There was little to no difference between European and Asian warfare methods and tech. Showing off swordsmanship was just screaming, "I can't shoot! I'm an elk!It's elk season!"

      https://i.imgur.com/wYljdxA.png

      Would an average Civil War era regiment of US Army infantry be able to defeat an equal number of Japanese samurai performing a charge with suicidal determination?
      The Americans have their usual kit with rifled muskets and the Japanese are in full armour and exclusively equipped for melee.
      The engagement begins when the Japanese advance out of a forest that blocks visibility 400 yards in front of the Americans who're ready and waiting for them in line formation.

      Confederates win.

      Considering the maxim gun was available during the American Civil War, the melee equipped samurai will get mowed down

      *Gatling gun

      >Almost every rifle recovered at Gettysburg was fully loaded
      >Of the recovered weapons, a staggering 24,000 were found to be loaded, either 87% or 63%, depending on which number you accept for the total number of rifles. Of the loaded rifles, 12,000 were loaded more than once and half of these (6,000 total) had been loaded between three and ten times

      Yep. The Confederate army was 80% draftees. The only ones officially listed as draftees were actually arrested at home and dragged to the battlefield. People don't want to hurt each other.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >exclusively equipped for melee
    Seems strange given that Samurai fucking loved guns and mounted archery before all else.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Japanese samurai
    what era?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Say, Nobunaga's days.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Considering the maxim gun was available during the American Civil War, the melee equipped samurai will get mowed down

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Literally just figure out the numbers, and how long it takes the average warrior nip or horse to cross 400 meters, vs how many times you could fire a rifle in that time. Also wouldn't entirely disregard the capability of the rifle/bayonet in melee

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Samurai instantly fucking die lmao wut. Any advantage they could of had is eliminated from them having no firearms or horses and being out in the open away from their adversaries. They get obliterated by the first volley then picked off.

      I think the main issue here is that the troops weren't really given much target practice and many of them frankly sucked at shooting.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Almost every rifle recovered at Gettysburg was fully loaded
        >Of the recovered weapons, a staggering 24,000 were found to be loaded, either 87% or 63%, depending on which number you accept for the total number of rifles. Of the loaded rifles, 12,000 were loaded more than once and half of these (6,000 total) had been loaded between three and ten times

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          its almost like most people dont want to kill each other. yet ruling class demand it like the puppeteers they are

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Samurai instantly fucking die lmao wut. Any advantage they could of had is eliminated from them having no firearms or horses and being out in the open away from their adversaries. They get obliterated by the first volley then picked off.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >the Americans who're ready and waiting for them in line formation.
    Bad choice.

    Or where these supposed to be straw man samurai combining all the least martial aspects of suicidal WW2 soldiers and 18th century bureaucrats?

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This shit basically happened in the Boshin war/Satsuma Rebellion and that didn't go so well for the samurai

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Is this another one of those retarded weeb threads where weebs think samurai were good warriors?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >samurai were good warriors
      By all accounts, from mongols to korea to 19th century westerners, they were decent melee combatants, at least individually. Much better certainly than american riflemen that often didn't even have bayonets, let alone were trained in using them. A line of samurai would cut through them like butter - if they held ground, which they wouldn't.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >400 yards in front of the Americans who're ready and waiting for them in line formation
    They get all shot do death and that's not even a question. A similar thing happened at culloden a century earlier, with much shorter ranged guns, and the scots lost.
    Now on the other hand, if there's a lot of broken terrain and the japs manage to sneak up close - there is a chance. On the other hand, the riflemen can do skirmishing at long range and spread out to the point where they never get all caught, but slowly wittle the japs down.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      But there were many bayonet charges during the civil war where they managed to make contact while crossing open terrain.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Wouldn't a Inf regiment during the civil war have organic cannons?
    I wanna see those samurai run through a few rounds of canister shot before they even get into range of the riflemen.

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    In the Seven Samurai, the most skilled sword-wielder of the samurai got plinked by a random nobody enemy with a musket. I'm pretty sure there was a big point the director was trying to make with that.
    I'd say the US Army wins

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