With the war in Ukraine and how more and more liberals are (hopefully) realizing how important it is to have the upper hand against tyrants, do you th...

With the war in Ukraine and how more and more liberals are (hopefully) realizing how important it is to have the upper hand against tyrants, do you think we'll see more cooperation between big-tech and the US military, with less liberal pushback on advanced weapons development?

And I guess also on a broader level, do you forsee the end/decline of Noam Chomsky "But we're just as bad" stuff in academia, and less criticues of American Imperialism (Homelander from The Boys, etc, etc), and a return of the old "Slap a Jap" style stories in media?

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >do you think we'll see more cooperation between big-tech and the US military
    how could they be any closer? they are literally fronts for US government as is, nothing Snowden released came as a surprise to me, I was well warned in advance

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The default for these tech companies was "All weapons development is bad". I thought Prism was just tech companies handing over user data freely to the government, not about weapons development with tech companies. What about Snowden's leaks are you talking about? I don't know what you're referring to.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >I thought Prism was just tech companies handing over user data freely to the government, not about weapons development with tech companies.
        this is a domain in which the line between military and civilian is blurry to nonexistant

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          There is a minimized line, I suppose... But that line doesn't even EXIST in China or Russia.

          That's just handing over data; banks do that freely, too. Banks freely give the government visa purchases in an area, even without the US having a warrant, which I think they did to track down Jan 6th protesters. Google giving over people's emails of their own accord isn't the same as Google developing an AI for the military.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            There is also a performative element. Just because you won't develop directly for the government doesn't mean you won't develop and sell to a private entity who contracts to the government.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It is funny that this one is about hololens, which as I humbly believe, have diminishing industrial results at best. Had them once, not impressed. However,who do you think is the biggest single customer for Microsoft and Amazon? It is the same one that is bankrolling spaceX btw. Yeah, US Federal Gov. What OS do you think 98% of military computers use? Where does FBI have servers?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Sure, but if the FBI orders Pizza, does that mean Papa Johns is now a part a part of the FED? Cooking Pizzas is their job; hosting servers is a lot of what Microsoft does... That is just them not refusing to deliever regular services to the military.

          But as-is, we're not getting any neat robots from Boston Dynamics because they said "Guns bad", and we'll have to settle with a non-industry-leading alternative US company developing them for the military. That's what I'm talking about. The military having to settle for Zunes and not iPods. Could that change because of Ukraine?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            fuck you the Zune was a superior product.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Even companies that didn't mind working with the US MIC in theory or because of ethical reasons, such as Nvidia, found dealing with the mess of red tape and retardation that goes above normal government procurement when dealing with the military to be expensive and not worth their time. You should read the book Killchain where it has a couple of chapters talking about this very topic as viewed by one of McCain's top aides.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I wonder if a solution (if there isn't a political tidal-shift) is to just pass a law where employers cannot pursue legal action for poached employees if they disclose possible "trade secrets" to the government, and the government keeps those trade secrets top secret?

              Sort of a "It's okay for the US to poach talent/secrets, because we'll keep it secret and it won't even hurt your bottom line because it's not even for sale" act.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No? It's far better to contract that work out to skilled companies instead of trying to get the US government to maintain experts in every field and keep them sitting around doing nothing productive for large periods of time, even setting aside that the US government doesn't pay nearly enough to poach meaningfully from industry. The actual solution is to reform the needlessly complicated procurement system and to allow the US mil to have the equivalent of discretionary funds that they can use to help build up and reward friendly companies like they did LockMart, Northram, and General Dynamics amongst many others during the Cold War. The measures that were put in place to fight cost overruns and corruption have had the side effect of making it so that the US mil can't feasibly work with smaller companies who can't survive doing all the development work for free with no guarantee that their product will be purchased, which in turn means that you only have the familiar names and anyone who's trying to get into the market ends up having to be acquired by a familiar name.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Well what about allowing LockMart, etc, to poach people from Bostom Dynamics, with the assurance they won't get sued by Bostom Dynamics, so they can work on military robotos, etc? Sort of "If you won't help defend your own country, we'll let your employees take your secrets with them", act?
                You might think one smart guy isn't so important, but just look at the CPU and GPU markets over the years, and how important a few main engineers switching sides have been.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Because those companies have long established histories and business practices that don't work well the completely different business paradigm that is required for software development, as evidenced by how fucking trash and poorly designed the software they provide for existing project is. It would be far healthier to instead help to nurture a competitor similar to how SpaceX beat the ever loving shit out of LockMart and friends on the private space race. The US MIC companies and mil side both work on far too long of a timescale to handle modern tech and software advancements, which is why you need a smaller, more agile company to come in and provide that service without distracting LockMart from what they're good at. Seriously, go read the book. It's free on the interwebs like everything else.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I have no idea what you're talking about but I can only assume you're talking about contracts that stop an employee from using the knowledge they've gained in a business once they leave. The problem is firmly on the tech industries side since other industries don't have such things despite needing the same degree of secrets. The real solution is to ban such practices since they're highly uncompetitive and extremely ethically dubious. It's probably one of the biggest antitrust issues today, since the highly competitive employment market of the tech industry should never have such punishing terms that no employee would ever want to sign.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Now everyone will just buy foreign counterparts, even shitty Chinese knockoffs. Good job big US corps for being retarded. You aren't original and probably sold half your patents to the chinks anyway.

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I think its great that every liberal is now pro-war and wants to go to any length to destroy Russia, the ultimate enemy of our liberal values.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Exactly! Or at least we can hope for them to realize that there are worse people out there than Trump.
      Their refusing to help develop advanced systems for the military is only helping China/Russia.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What gets me is that the algorithms tech companies that Google and Facebook (now Meta) made and continue to refine have been weaponized by countries such ad Iran, Russia, and China to be able to spread propaganda and sow political discourse more easily than ever before. Do they stand up to that responsibility? Fuck no; they only care about how much money they make in the long run. The fact their employees are so blind to the damage their existing software has on society but then t n around and say “weapons bad >:( we no hurt people” really confirms my belief the majority of techies are children who can’t consider their actions in a bigger picture. The feels have greatly outspoken the reals at this point.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Computer nerds are socially handicapped autistics

          Quelle surprise

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >spriter
      >a known shill that actively gets things wrong and is a contrarian retard
      Just so he knows, nobody wants to return back to the 1800s style of diplomacy. Which involves pillaging and imperialism that he hates so much. The "multipolar" order is nothing more than the 18th/early 20th century of European foreign policy.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >The "multipolar" order is nothing more than the 18th/early 20th century of European foreign policy.
        Indeed. The retards that believe that ending the West's economic hegemony will make the world more peaceful and just are fucking delusional.
        It only took a few years of US/EU being apparently "weak" to make Russia to start invading their neighbours and China to increase saber rattlng in the Pacific.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          the idiots thinking that way are the ones the vatnik union had on the "first to kill" list if they managed to take over some nation. Typically they tended to be pro soviet too

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I suppose a lot of those employees are pajeets.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That article was from 2 years ago

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah, I considered pointing that out, but I felt OP was too wordy as-is. Point is, that is then, and this is now; will the Ukraine war change things in the tech world and stop the protests?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's already changing. The ongoing tech layoff bonanza has in part been an opportunity to discharge anti-Americans from technical positions. Not to mention companies like Anduril are catalyzing greater cooperation between the federal government and the West Coast.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        hopefully it works as a wakeup call that you actually have to use your technological advantage and puts the people that are extremely conscious about morals when the west is doing something, but completely quiet when Russia and China is doing the same for some reason in a tough spot

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >NOOOOO I didn't sign up to create tools that will be used in wars between countries!!! I signed up to create tools to corrupt the very souls of humans themselves and for governments to wage war on their own citizens instead!!!
    I fucking hate tech gays so much they are quite possibly the most evil and corrupted group of non-ruling-elites and even eternal damnation isn't enough to make up for what they're doing

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    imagine working for microsoft and thinking you have any sort of moral high ground

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Liberals always knew this, but 1970-2020 the "liberal" label was taken over by people who were anything but and actual liberals all but disappeared.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This was all the fault of the US for going full retard after 9/11 and invading Iraq with bullshit excuses that nobody believed seriously.
    Up to the initial Afghanistan invasion that sadly failed to catch OBL, the US still had mostly the moral high ground with the fall of the USSR because their own corruption, and forcing serbians to stop being genocidal assholes.
    But Iraq and the "GWOT" rebranded domino theory/anti-commie rethoric triggered liberals like Pavlov dogs with the ghost of the Vietnam war era.
    Thankfully, the even more retarded and evil Putin's Russia has made everyone with common sense remember that despite our many faults, the West and the US world order are still the best, and a powerful military is necessary to safeguard ourselves against wannabe imperialist dictators.

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    le headset... le killed people?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >liberals are (hopefully) realizing how important it is to have the upper hand against tyrants
      OHOHOHOHO no

      I'M GOIN INSANNNNNNNNNEEEEE

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >we did not sign up to develop weapons
    Oppenheimer levels of delusions
    Anyone who worked on that headset knew what their doing
    Anyone that didnt work on it and still says it are just retarded attention whores

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What fucking hubris. Without war, there would be no technology. These silicon valley crackers should know their place.

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >We didn't sign up to develop weapons
    Well that's too bad because weapons are based as they enable you to live your life in an industrialized nation in the first place. Without powerful instruments of death it's law of the jungle.

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Noooooo I just wanted to spy on people why are we also doing MIC shit too nooooooo

  14. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    You've heard of the military industrial complex? That industrial part is the private sector. The government doesn't make fighter jets and tanks - it buys them from private companies it gave permission to make them.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      MIC didn't factor in future tech leftists refusing to work with the MIC because they cannot imagine a war ever not being vietnam/iraq, and school don't teach about how South Korea wouldn't exist without our MIC, or how Taiwan would be under CCP rule without us threatening to nuke China.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >or how Taiwan would be under CCP rule without us threatening to nuke China.
        considering their mentality they see this is a bad thing

  15. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    This is literally just gay zoomers who thought that by redesigning the layout of your home screen every few months, they were going to contribute to global equality or something.

    I doubt there's any single person or group within Microsoft so capable that their opinions register against a federal contract like that.

  16. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Good. The system eats itself. I can picture the shocked, indignant look on the faces of the MIC cronies when the tech nerds their government bombarded with "guns bad, war bad, masculinity bad" propaganda refuses to program weapons.

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