With Bakhmut under Russian control the road to Stinky lies open. What weapons and tactics will be used in the battle to come?
With Bakhmut under Russian control the road to Stinky lies open.
With Bakhmut under Russian control the road to Stinky lies open. What weapons and tactics will be used in the battle to come?
>Bakhmut under Russian control
keep dreaming fag. lmao
Uh-oh, Cтiнки!
Fantastic
The roads were also open day 1 of the special operation 450 days ago.
A friend of mine says that if the war goes on it somehow favors Russia because West will stop supporting Ukraine and that Russia has much more manpower.
I think much more advanced weapons, better inte/training gives Ukraine the advantage, especially once they have F-16s for example.
Who's right?
At the end of the day Russia has a lot more bodies to throw into the grinder. Putting all politics aside eventually Russia could kill enough Ukrainians to win. Allowing for some politics Russia could start thermobaric bombarding Ukraine. Allowing for all politics if Russia pushes too hard the regime would be teetering but they still need something for a moral victory back home. Their best case scenario is Zelensky having a heart attack and they get to claim victory and go home. Do not ask for more details tovarish.
>At the end of the day Russia has a lot more bodies to throw into the grinder
Not really.
>Putting all politics aside eventually Russia could kill enough Ukrainians to win
KD is on the Ukrainian side, and the gap will only widen.
>Allowing for some politics Russia could start thermobaric bombarding Ukraine
Patriots have already took that ability.
The US actually wants to kill more Russians and end it as a threat
I heard Wagner is even changing it’s names once it’s relocated to Africa to lessen association with Russia
Even paneets are sending help to Ukraine now
We are watching the destruction of the worlds biggest country in real time
Richard Wagner was German.
this bodies logic always ignores the fact that one is fighting a defensive war and the other an offensive one
I just can't imagine that putin can force the same percentage of men to fight in ukraine than zelensky can
Manpower is not the decisive factor in modern attrition, materiel is.
>muh bodies
That doesn't work in the era of modern armament. It isn't 1942 to 1955 anymore, when some zoomer can vaporize an entire squad from miles away with a VR-piloted heavy quadrotor from Alibaba with a mortar shell, or a single guided missile can hit targets with pinpoint accuracy it doesn't matter if you have 10,000 men or 1,000,000, you're going to struggle.
Each wave of mobilisation is gonna be harder for Puccia. So not really.
>Putting all politics aside eventually Russia could kill enough Ukrainians to win.
That's like discussing who would "win" a nuclear war.
If Russia throws enough bodies to destroy Ukraine, Russia would also stop existing as an entity and probably as a culture. So would Ukraine, but so would Russia.
Manpower is irrelevant when factored against their rate of advance. That is, the Russian economy cannot afford to continue the war the years it would take for manpower to matter without starvation and collapse of their more isolated communities and a drop in living standards that would result in pitchfork induced revolution. 1/3rd of their current budget is an unaccounted 'probably the SMO' black hole, sanctions will only compound the degradation of their infrastructure (i.e. rolling stock is essential to feeding their populace and they're seeing a 5 - 10% yearly reduction in capacity since 2022, and all effort to pivot to China are resulting in the Chinese doubling their prices etc), and they're contending a not insignificant brain drain making economic realignment (away from Europe) all the more difficult. All the problems they're facing can only be solved with money and time, and they're all systemic, compounding issues that will only get worse.
Nothing is pre-ordained retard. Both countries are now very weak. It’s literally two peasant armies fighting each other, except one peasant army gets a trickle of NATO weapons.
Make up your own mind and bet accordingly
Russia simply hoping for some sort of a truce, so that way they can rebuild their strength in 3-5 years and then chew off another chunk of Ukraine.
they will never get to chew on ukraine again, the moment this war is over ukraine is immediately being pushed into NATO
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> A friend of mine says that if the war goes on it somehow favors Russia because West will stop supporting Ukraine and that Russia has much more manpower.
> I think much more advanced weapons, better inte/training gives Ukraine the advantage, especially once they have F-16s for example.
These statements are not mutually exclusive.
>A friend of mine says that if the war goes on it somehow favors Russia because West will stop supporting Ukraine
you know, they keep saying that, but Ukraine only seems to receive more and more weapons, weird
Russia has been hoping that support will wane, that the weather will force Europe back to Gazprom, that nuke threats will stop western support, that suppressing domestic dissent will stop it.
Literal cargo cult.
it would be if they got atacms
The "throw more bodies at the problem" solution worked in the Winter War because Finland was alone, it had to fight the Soviet Union all by itself. Ukraine is not in that situation, it has the entire west backing and arming it.
Manpower losses on both sides so far have been lighter than in most major 20th century wars (ww2, Vietnam, Iraq-Iran etc.). Ukraine is a country of 35-40 million, and at most lost 200 000. In ww2, the Soviet Union lost over 8 million soldiers, 4 percent of its entire population, plus around 14 million more people as civilian casulties. They still won. North Vietnam fought the US in a long war, a country with a much larger population and lost much more men, but they stil won.
So casulties and manpower did not determine the outcome of war even in the past, and they certainly not decisive today. In this war, both sides lose equipment and ammo at much faster rates than they lose soldiers. In a long war, whoever loses the military production race loses.
Alone, Russia would win that easily, however, Ukraine is now supplied by NATO arms industry, something that Russia cannot bomb, so supplies can come steadily as long as those countries are willing to arm Ukraine. Russian arms production is struggling to replace equipment losses (that's why we see a T55s now on the front), and they have few allies that can re-arm them.
The tendency seems to be that the Russian army's equipment is degrading while the Ukrainians' is improving. If this goes on, and casulties stay as relatively light as before, Ukraine will fare better in a long war.
The biggest danger is Western countries cucking out from supporting them further.
Your friend is probably a retard that gave Ukraine 3 days, believed Pozzia stronk meme or didnt know puccia used ukies in most of their wars
>Bakhmut under Russian control
I keep asking for the source, but the only answer I get some russian guy.
Not to mention this is like the 4th day in a row they've been spamming threads treating the loss of Bakhmut as a commonly known and accepted fact with no evidence.
Two BTG in the Stinky
>two in the pisky, one in the stinky
>population of several hundreds
Ok, so the second greatest army in the world might be able conquer it by 2024. Will require two more mobilization rounds, though.
Uh oh.
QRD?
Mandic being a serbmoron as usual.
What is the status of new york?
Uh oh someone did a stinky
UH OH!
>What weapons and tactics will be used in the battle to come?
Probably a lot of mines and artillery
>road to Stinky lies open
>good chunk of bavaria already gone
Shit, I guess the time space anomaly works both ways.
The Cicatrix Maledictum!
Banan
>the road to Stinky
>starring Donald Fagan Uma Thurman
>joke thread about the battle of Stinky
>UUUH ACTUALLY BAKHMUT ISN'T CAPTURED SOURCE?!?!?!?!?
Good lord man, if I wasn't rooting for Ukraine I'd wanna burn the entire board down