With a 99% defense rate by Israel does this mean the era of long range missiles and drones is over?
With a 99% defense rate by Israel does this mean the era of long range missiles and drones is over?
With a 99% defense rate by Israel does this mean the era of long range missiles and drones is over?
No. Because a saturation attack is basically what happened last night but for weeks on end, the winner is the person who doesn't run out of missiles.
Yes. because if you need to fire munitions in the triple digits with the hopes that a single digit of them will pass through, you are better off investing that money in to other offensive capabilities.
If your missiles are cheaper the interceptors and you think you can make more missiles than the other guy can make interceptors then you do what Iran did. Once you achieve degradation you bring out your "good" stuff so you can start degrading other things.
Except "cheaper" is relative.
A missile interceptor may be more expensive than the missile, but the intercepting nation may not feel it's cost as much as the attacker nation.
Case in point : A Patriot missile costs Zelenski some whining, but the wunderwaffle zirkon gaynife costs monke millions
That's nice. Only if the interceptor costs five times as much as your missiel and your opponent can invest ten times the money, you're the loser.
Do you think it would have gone any better for them if they tried to drop bombs or drive in tanks?
If both have stockpiles and produce missiles, the one with the most in the end stops being intercepted and starts being hit by every single one that comes after.
What part of saturation do you not understand, you just keep going till they have none left as long as your production is higher.
This even includes local saturation, you cannot have infinite missiles all around the country after all, so you can temporarily start getting through as long as you focus one area of attack.
This has always been how modern war works with missiles and men.
If that single digit takes out key infrastructure, then it really doesn't matter how much is shot down
You won't get that with even single digits by shotgunning them randomly like that, and key infrastructure is going to be the MOST defended and likely to shoot down your shit, burqa durka.
Thats not saturation attack, you are describing attrition warfare.
Saturation attack is launching enough missiles at the same time (or at least in very short order) so countermeasures that are ready to use cannot stop them all .
To make it simpler to understand If you have 100 missiles and your enemy has 10 launchers (and has 90 sam missiles for them in storage) , launching 5 missiles day by day until enemy runs out of sams is not a saturation attack.
Saturation attack is launching 15 missiles at one time.
I think its a meaningless distinction because saturation by overwhelming their GBADS or saturation via attrition are both premised on you firing a shitload of missiles. Both rely on you having more missiles than they have interceptors.
if one can expect a ratio of 30:1 in interceptions vs penetrations, than the numbers of munitions required for a sustained campaign is ungodly, and considering that cruise missiles and ballistic missiles can only be so cheap, the costs begin to stack up fast.
The main take away is that once modern western layered defenses are primed, their saturation point is absurdly high, and if your plan was to saturate say....a carrier battle group with such an attack, thats very bad news.
Gazans flew over the border wall with paragliders and pick ups and did considerably more damage
>meaningless distinction
NO YOU STUPID FRICK.
If an S-300 battery has 24 interceptors in TELs and I fire enough missiles to force them to either not engage due to concerns about running out of interceptors, or just run out of interceptors, that battery is now completely useless until it reloads. If I just bring it to 50% every day for a few weeks, it'll still be 100% capable every time I go to attack it.
Holy frick you people are moronic. This is basic math. Did you start posting here last week?
Do you suppose that while you're attempting to attrit your enemy's air defense network, they are going to politely wait because it's "your turn" to attack? How effective do you suppose that will be against a power with modern C4 capabilities?
Have you had a stroke?
Absolute pseud post.
No one on earth, including Cold War and us and current china, have the ability to sustain 100+ conventional mrbms/irbm launches for more that a few days
Isn't attacking cheaper than defending?
Both of these anons are correct.
It's a number game : below a certain volume of fire, the interception will neutralize a large percentage of the projectiles.
Above that volume, every additional projectile will get through.
You can try the saturation strike, which aims at going above the maximum effective interception volume of the defender. It is costly compared to the results and, unless you manage to knock out some of the interception batteries themselves or deliver such a high volume that you level the whole place, it won't achieve anything lasting. So if you do that, it's either that you go nuclear, you don't mean to do other strikes or don't have other options.
Attrition strikes (plural) aim at depleting the stock of interceptors over time. It doesn't try to overwhelm the defense : it plays on probabilities, hoping a projectile will get lucky but that ain't the main aim, which is both to have the defender expand more ammunition that you are sending projectiles and (in option but a much appreciated improvement on the long term) reveal the position of its interception batteries so a second targeted strike can neutralize them permanently.
Israel has the advantage that it has a very limited areas to protect so a lot of interceptors are sharing the same areas, raising the maximum effective interception volume of each area. It also enjoy allies which increase the area over which interception can take place, which further increase the minimum amount of projectiles needed to go through.
>MFW saturation bombing is back on the menu
i don't really get what iran was trying to do if they weren't coordinating with hamas to gain ground
>was trying to do
Make it look like they are not weak (to their own people).
Because it's actually co-ordinated with Russian assaults against Ukraine and a projected culmination of their Winter-Spring offensive.
It was also coordinated with the IRS to happen right before everyone's tax deadline. The bastards.
Yes, because US, UK, Israeli, Jordanian and Saudi interception of Iranian missiles in the Middle East effects the war in Ukraine... As those assets were not capable of being used there... And were never going to be used there... Ever... Meaning the advantage is then given to Russia, somehow.
Anon, I understand you're probably a chud that views every conflict and event in isolation from one another(in this, a globally connected world) but Putin has actually been warming relations with Iran since both his and Israel's war began, so he is inclined to support Iran to keep that goodwill building. It definitely does effect both of the wars. It may not effect it in the battlefield sense, but it does effect it politically, and that could transition(lol) quickly to it affecting the battlefield(i.e Putin is forced to send aid to Iran, taking away munitions from the Ukrainian frontlines; I'm tired and I don't feel like thinking for you anymore on this subject so I'll leave that one possibility there. You can have it be your homework assignment tonight to think up more. I know you can do it Anon I believe in you.)
ok moron
Don't get too mad or your "neovegana" will break open and the fecal smell will make all the girls you're trying to pressure into "lesbian sex" with you run away, troony.
ok moron
>get 3 generals bombed inside an Iranian consulate in Lebanon
>seethe
>know they can’t do shit without escalating but they need to do something in order to not look like pussies
>call up Israel, US, Turkey, Jordan, & Iraq and tell them when and where you’ll be launching missiles
>the missiles get shot down
Yeah, what do (You) think the point of an attack like that was?
It was a symbolic act. Sure made Iranians cheer in the street. Israelis, not so much. The only reason they would march in the streets today would be to burn an effigy of Bibi.
>Sure made Iranians cheer in the street. Israelis, not so much.
Pro-government protesting or cheering in Iran is not organic. It's usually government employees told by their superiors to go on the streets for propaganda purposes.
What are you talking about? Every single person that was on the street crying when Kim jong-il died was 100% authentic and organic.
Respond in a sufficiently violent way to preserve regime stability without giving Israel and/or the US cause to engage in open war against Iran. I hate dirkas but they were entitled to and should be expected to respond to assassinations of high level people.
I’m sure they expected at least enough mrbms get through to do some actual damage to the Israeli af.
Bedouin are a minority that Arabs frick with, not Arabs themselves IIRC.
>thinking hamas is relevant in any way shape or form anymore
They thought they could raise the eyebrow and then everyone would know but then 99% of their shit got intercepted or failed to launch at all with the lone casualty being some unfortunate toddler and now they're playing the 'it was a feint/message/money waster' angle in order to save face.
They wanted to inform Israel that they can in fact reach them while at the same time avoiding escalating into a full blown war. It's a show of force and at the same time an attempt at avoiding further escalation because Iran obviously don't want a war with USA. Iran is most likely very happy with the outcome.
>Iran is most likely very happy with the outcome.
i mean it's not over yet. it'll all depened on what the zio israelites do next. also i don't think they're too happy with so many of their missiles failing and other getting shotdown. that's an utter failure
>Iran obviously don't want a war with USA
kek
oh no, not the war with a nation who can't stop a few terrorists from closing the red sea
kek iranian proxies were attacking us bases non-stop for months with no fatalities until they managed to kill 3 us soldiers. then the us responded by bombing a few storage warhouses and r9xing a kataib hezbollah commander responsible for the attack. they've never bothered since.
doesn't seem like people that want war to me
Holy shit, that's some good footage. Imagine Russia or China trying to pull off a strike like that.
i think china probabbly has the capablities to pull something like this off (although not with a katana missile). the question is, is their intelligence nearly as good. that's what makes the us stands out. they have decent inteligence
What am I looking at? Looks like a car going on nitro or something
>They wanted to inform Israel that they can in fact reach them
I think the message was well received six months ago already :
The fricking houtis targeted Israel with ballistic missiles last year and they are both further away and supplied by Iran.
So there was never any doubt that Iran had the capacity to fire at Tel-Aviv.
If that was the message, firing a single missile would have proven the same.
If the message was "we can hurt you", then it failed.
>It's a show of force
Not a very effective one.
Im not sure it's obvious they don't was a full war. Generally people who want peace don't attack their neighbors.
Frick knows what the normies take will be.
Are the Israelis copying Uke "interception" graphics here or does this style go further back?
>Are the Israelis copying Uke "interception" graphics here
lol noticed that too. Funny how they're taking credit for shit the US (and allies) shot down
The graphic just says "intercepted", which is accurate.
Iran when attacking Israel
t. never hits the diplomacy tab when he plays an RTS
Do we have any information on the planes involved in defense? I want to know if the pilots thought this was just Ace Combat 6
Israel used everything they had. So F-16s, 15s, and 35s.
US used F-15Es. UK used Typhoons. Jordan used F-16s.
>no F-22’s
It’s not fair
>US used F-15Es.
weird that US didn't deploy their carrier air wings. did SA not allow them through?
where were those Strike Eagles deployed from? Jordan?
IDF released some graphic.
https://twitter.com/IDFSpokesperson/status/1779573076864238057/photo/3
defense screen doesn't seem to extend over SA, just Jordan.
those projectiles likely flew over SA unopposed.
also no interceptions over Iraq?
POTUS name-dropped 494th and 335th FS:
https://twitter.com/POTUS/status/1779649726922551565
unclear where exactly there are forward-deployed. Jordan would be a good guess.
>we will use cheap drones to overwhelm and confuse their air defenses
>anglo-american pilots casually intercept the drones before they even come close
KWABOTY
How many got through and any idea on the damage caused? I saw webms of 3 hits but I didn't see any evidence that they hit an airfield or not.
There was light damage to a utility road at Nevatim airbase, since repaired. A Bedouin girl got injured. I think there was a crater in a random road somewhere up north.
Iran somehow caused more damage to itself than it did Israel, thanks to its 50% missile failure rate.
>the only casualty was an Arab
That depends on what you mean by "more expensive", though. What's the difference between Israeli and Iranian purchasing power? (That's not to say economic damage is negligible, or that the answer to OP's question isn't "no").
>What's the difference between Israeli and Iranian purchasing power?
I think this is a question a lot of people seem to be ignoring when sizing up smaller nations with cheaper weapon systems.
Sure an option being cheaper means you can get more, but it all still costs resources, of which everyone has a finite amount.
>iran loses general
>dozens of its people killed in a riot at his funeral
>in retaliation they blow up a bunch of sand and kill no one on US air base
>shoot down one of their own airliners
>israelites grease more generals years later
>retaliation strike kills absolutely nothing in Israel except more sand
>lose more sand in Iran due to poorly manufactured missiles
Iran is the undisputed champion of taking L’s
Every adult of /k/ painstakingly explained why Iran was going to do a cucked symbolic attack only. But the children refused to hear it and got themselves worked into a lather, perhaps because we’re in some weird phase of international decline. But just because the U.S. has been abandoning security for years now did NOT mean Iran would suddenly be okay with launching a serious attack against a country much stronger than them who has is also close allies with the world’s sole superpower. Furthermore Iran has proven itself time and again to be a pest but when push comes to shove they ALWAYS do the bare face-saving minimum, plainly hoping to avoid any serious escalation. Iran is basically helpless against Israel and the US and they clearly know it.
>now a ballistic missile attack with 100+ missiles only stopped by one of the world's best exoatmospheric BMD systems is merely "saving face"
Shut the frick up
Stop talking it up to make it sound like more than it was. Israel doesn't look strong when its enemies are this weak and when the US and UK are babysitting. It was basically the drone equivalent of shitposting.
I know that doesn't work for your shill angle but that's the truth. Now you can go back to fighting women and little kids in rubble with your billions of US gibs.
>With a 99% defense rate by Israel does this mean the era of long range missiles and drones is over?
Anon, it isn't smart have system to defend that mor expensive that one is attacking.
But Dear God, that was too dumb even for Iran standards.
>it isn't smart have system to defend that mor expensive that one is attacking.
True, but Iran isn't just paying for the missiles. You have to take the cost of getting sanctioned by every civilized country on earth into consideration.
Iran isn't sanctioned by Russia or China anymore they trade very freely with them. All their 2-stroke motors on Shaheds come from China. The engine is like $20k retail price and if they aren't shot down with $1m missiles then they have to be shot down with jets in the air.
>brown refuses to see how the cost for everything is still in US dollar
things purchased with US dollars and then shot down with things purchased with US dollars. US wins no matter what
Not really. You just artificially increase the value of the currency as the US inflation becomes the largest export. Then over time you watch all your industries move elsewhere as they become non-competitive. That's why China doesn't promote the Yuan to become the global reserve currency, because they know it's a deathspiral for domestic industry. USA no longer has the capacity to produce the quantities needed for war and its the end result of what you're gloating about.
>Iran isn't sanctioned by Russia or China anymore
>They trade very freely with them.
Both China and Russia are selling to Iran at a premium price whenever they can get away with it.
And it goes the other way for Iran selling to Russia.
China is the only clear winner in this situation. And in typical bugman fashion, instead of using the situation to forge strong alliances, they use it to milk their "partners" dry.
It isn't a mistake but it means that this partnership will only last as long as the partners have no other choices.
>All their 2-stroke motors on Shaheds come from China. The engine is like $20k retail price
There is no way a two stroke engine is $20K new, you can get a high end 100KW diesel generator for that kind of money. A small two stroke engine like this is something you find in chain saws, tuk-tuks and outboard engines.
at one point you could buy the fully made drone from Alibaba for like $56k
https://www.wionews.com/world/chinese-firm-knocked-off-iran-drone-sold-it-on-alibaba-site-report-681096
The motor itself might still be available on alibaba for $20k. Ukrainians posted pics of one that they recovered and it matched 1:1 with 2 stroke engine found on alibaba.
>you've done it now, Israhell!
>the gloves are finally coming off!
>there are stages to this, you will see the might of Iran!
I wish I could see what the muslims crying TKD were saying or feeling after watching everything get intercepted almost instantly and the few missiles that did manage to land on target not do anything catastrophic
The saddest part is as usual they only managed to hurt a civilian, a bedouin girl at that, a muslim, oh right shiites consider bedouins inferior and whatnot, some things never change.
I love going to /misc/ and just being openly white and western and watching the thirdies have meltdowns over it.
You give them too much credit, not admitting that they failed is like 50% of the reasons for their countries being shitholes, they will just delude themselves with the usual:
> Israel is 50% destroyed and just hiding it
> Look how much money we wasted for them
> Haha their allied countries helped them
> They don't retaliate immediately because they scared
> Great lion Iran is stronk because it won't let the west just kill their generals, they will pay with the blood of 12 year old beduins!!!
No, because it was basically for show and for sending a message. Rallying domestic support behind the regime to save face via strongman posturing, making Israel spend money and time intercepting them, and sending a message that they will respond to direct attacks with direct force while at the same time giving Israel little to actually respond to and sowing discord on an already war-weary population. It also serves to gather intelligence on their defensive capabilities.
Iran doesn't truly want a war with Israel, they can't afford it when there are already protests against the regime. At the same time they had to throw the hardliners a bone.
I would be hesitant to thump my chest about this. While Israeli AD is undoubtedly very good, Iran telegraphed the attack for days, gave notification that the drones were in the air many hours before they struck, and didn't mass their drones and missiles on any one target specifically. They also stated before the attack even began that they would not be doing any more attacks. If they had actually wanted to do significant damage, they would be massing waves of drones on a specific targets and coordinating rapid missile strikes to arrive at the same time while AD is preoccupied with the drones, and also coordinating with their proxies to launch short ranged attacks that are much harder to intercept. As it was, it's basically just posturing.
>didn't mass their drones and missiles on any one target specifically
Wouldn't have mattered. Israel is small enough that their AD systems can cover the entire country with ease.
>gave notification that the drones were in the air
Them telegraphing the attack ahead of time was deescalatory but wouldn't have made a difference. There's so much ISR around, Israel and other countries would have had hours to prepare even in a "surprise".
>Largest combined wave of PGMs in recent history
>"Just posturing"
They didn't want escalation beyond their attack, but they very much wanted to do at least some damage with it to send a message, and they failed.
A significant part of that is likely them losing half their ballistic missiles en route to shitty Iranian engineering.
unnamed u.s. officials are not a reliable source. see tower 22 attack.
>An Iranian proxy successfully using a suicide drone is evidence Iran's BM arsenal isn't hot garbage.
>Iran isn't completely riddled with CIA and Mossad intelligence.
>ME airspace during the attack wasn't the most scrutinized airspace on the planet.
Thanks for the laugh Mehdi. We drone strike you last.
>they can't afford it when there are already protests against the regime
lmfao, that un-organic, utterly fake western feminist coup they attempted last year, or the year before, or whenever it was, was a shit-pathetic attempt at 'regime change' perpetrated by an incompetent "west"
>With a 99% defense rate by Israel
Lol
100% drones intercepted
100% cruise missiles intercepted
95% ballistic missiles intercepted
Problem?
https://twitter.com/CENTCOM/status/1779651553789362216
>On April 13 and the morning of April 14, U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM) forces, supported by U.S. European Command destroyers, successfully engaged and destroyed more than 80 one-way attack uncrewed aerial vehicles (OWA UAV) and at least six ballistic missiles intended to strike Israel from Iran and Yemen.
CENTCOM isn't Israel
>My defeat doesn't count if you are using the diplomacy card !
Grow up : it's cheaper for Israel to lease US help than it is to deploy its own systems.
It still does deploy its own systems so that their protection isn't too dependant on Uncle Sam's benevolence.
Israel is completely dependent on USA. If it wasn't clear enough, USA organized that defense.
What does it change for Iran, though ?
It is at odds with both Israel and the USA so there's little to no chance that these two stop cooperating against Iran's ambitions.
Iran steadily takes over the region. Look where Iran was 20 years ago, completely isolated and saanctionedd. Now it controls Iraq, Lebanon, Syria, Algeria, Yemen. Either through proxy or loose alliance.
And we care about this because...? (in before "muh oil")
loads of REE in this thread says everyone except you cares you stupid Black person
I'm sure they do, that still doesn't answer the "why?" though.
>Now it controls Iraq, Lebanon, Syria, Algeria, Yemen.
No it doesn't.
Iraq is still a way station for american troops.
Syria is still a mess in civil war.
Algeria isn't controlled at all by Iran or its militias and isn't even part of "the region".
I'll generously grant you Lebanon and Yemen, though neither matter much, given how inept the local militant groups are at harming Israel.
america completely lost its grip on the middle east a few years ago, iran swooped in a second later.
its one of the reasons why muslims are getting more sure of themselves lately and israel is starting to feel the pressure.
>america completely lost its grip on the middle east
Let's review this :
>Turkey
has always been a interested partner playing "hard to get" so it would get tons of shit. It is still part of NATO and letting the USA use its territory to bomb Syria and Iraq.
>Iraq
Let the USA have two airbases, even begged the USA to come back in force in 2014 and has only asked last month to start talking about the US forces leaving in a few years maybe. US was still bombing Iran-backed rebels there two months ago with the approval of the governement.
>Syria
Its official governement is barely holding to 50% of the territory and, though hostile to the USA, it cannot help to have US camps on its territory while being bombed in total impunity by both Israel and the USA.
>Lebanon
Shithole ruled by Iran-backed Hezbollah with support from Syria's troops.
Get bombed at will by Israel without ever managing to stop it.
>Saudi Arabia
See Iraq only bigger and clearly not friendly at all with Iran
>Jordan
Helped Israel right now against Iran
Also US partner.
>Kuweit and other Gulf monarchies
Not really friendly with USA but definitely not friendly with Iran
>Egypt
Really, really not friend with Iran.
To add, Lebanon is bordering on economic and social collapse, and Yemen's pretty much already collapsed and wiped by war and famine.
USA has 1 base in Iraq. Iran controls it. Why do you think Iraq made it illegal to have any relations with Israel? lol
>USA has 1 base in Iraq
Why are thirdies incapable of understanding that we are on the Internet, where checking their lies takes less than one fricking minute ?
Al-Asad Airbase is currently operating under US command.
Harir Air Base is currently operating under US command.
These are two exemples you can find references in either the recent news.
They are are dozens of other, less relevant and spoken off military infrastructures under US command right now in Iraq.
Which is more than Iran has in all other countries combined.
hezbollah and iranian influence is mostly hated by the other sects in lebanon (sunnis and christians). they're only "control" over lebanon is that they're giving hezbollah a shitton of money, training and weapons
Iran also controls Pakistan, Oman, Singapore, Haiti, Ganymede, and Bofades. Either through blackmail or sissy hypnosis ASMR videos.
>Source: a wojak comic on /misc/
Sorry I only trust the Experts on these things
IT'S OUR BOI
Pic was my reaction when I read the last paragraph, his purple prose never fails to entertain.
"My expectations alone are an indicator of troubling underperformance in a weapon system. No, I will not elaborate on the basis of those expectations."
moron plz.
he literally elaborated on his basis. second paragraph, last sentence.
Which videos, you balding pedo
The Russians must have so, so much pedo evidence on this guy.
Copelord isn't important enough to blackmail.
That implies someone actually bought his book
NOOOOO!!! YOU HEXED IT COPELORD!!!!!
*Verification not required
>Never thought I’d be in favor of cope propaganda
This would be plausible if Iran fired only 14 or so ballistic missiles. But even Iranian media speak of "dozens" of ballistic missiles and we have video evidence of about seven impacts. So what happened to the rest of them?
> copelord say 150 missiles/ drones have penetrated
> all we have are the same 2 impacts from 10 different angles
I can understand coping but this is just pathetic delusion on a completely different level
Israel didn't do that. US and UK and somewhat France were babysitting long before anything reached Israel.
US and UK got the bulk and the rest were shot down by Israel. since they are all allies any one of them can claim to have shot down them all down.
we all just witnessed choreographed realpolitik done with missiles and drones. Iran signaled their attack for nearly 2 weeks, and allowed repositioning of assets to thwart the attack. US allowed it to go forward knowing they can intercept it. The only rogue element in all this is Israel's war cabinet trying to provoke a wider war and distract from their ... whatever you want to call their 6 months in a strip of land called Gaza.
Another major factor that no one talks about is that their drone usage was perhaps this weak because they had sold everything they had to spare to Russia. Whoops! I bet they liked the gold when they sold them though!
>With US and NATO allies support
>Attack was telegraphed way in advance
>First such attack, so AD missile stocks are not low (yet)
If Iran does this once a week for a few months, then it's a big problem. Remember, Hezbollah, right on Israel's doorstep, basically sat this one out. They won't next time
Arrow/Patriot missiles are also notoriously expense and in short supply. Even shorter now thanks to the Congress' bullshit
so basically the eyebrow was raised
They can’t. I don’t think you appreciate how corrupt Iran is; nations are not RTS factions, and corruption is going to be a huge drag on any major industrial activity there. Even if the leadership ordered a national initiative to build a huge fleet of missiles various levels of corruption all the way down the chain of command will severely limit the number of functional missiles which appear, and further limit their actual readiness. Corruption isn’t a defect it’s a feature in sustaining a stable political system in a low-IQ populace which is why it’s the norm in the world generally outside of a handful of high-IQ middle-class democracies.
You could say the same thing about Russia, and they are massively outproducing the US in artillery shells and missiles, and certainly outproducing us in terms of the interceptors we can afford to supply.
Ukraine also had 90%+ interception rates at some point, until the interceptors ran dry. The only defence here is a good offence.
>massively outproducing the US in artillery shells and missiles
>russia
>outproducing the US in missiles
Frick off moron
this. can't outproduce someone that doesn't even produce any SRBMs like the US.
>ATACMS
>PRSM
RATIO'D
lmao is that legit? Are Americans really stupid enough to vote for someone this dumb?
>Georgia
southerners are yes
that person was too moronic even for the freedom caucus and got kicked out.
clean Israel bill already failed to pass in February. only got 250-180 in favor.
She's always in the top 10 for more funds raised by House candidates. Stupid or not, what she's doing works and she has plenty of support, even when it's deranged shit like let's support Israel and not Ukraine
The people of Georgia's 14th Congressional District are.
Georgians are.
There's a proud streak of anti intellectualism in the US that they've never really tried to get rid of.
Well when the 'intellectuals' turn out to be snobby dipshits that look down on people on a constant basis, it's not too farfetched for people to loudly claim to be the opposite.
>it's not too farfetched for people to loudly claim to be the opposite.
why the opposite instead of the near infinite other choices though
America prides themselves of having infinite ideologies to choose from, but in practice it always comes down to a binary choice.
binary system. you are either smart or stupid, and if you don't like what smart people say then you MUST become a lunatic moron. conversly, if you see a group as stupid, you must always act superior to them in every way even when it makes you look like a massive dumbass.
Because when you REALLY don't like someone, admitting they might be right on a few subjects can be a bit difficult.
Yeah, figures, she is a fan of Qanon. Also go check cousin marriage in Georgia, it will explain a lot.
Some butthurt commie replied to his own post like six times here, lmao. She's got a good 20 IQ points on AOC, that's just how dumb leftists are.
No, but it does mean that Iran came off looking like clowns.
> 99%
> a single 30 seconds video shows 4 hits in a row on an israeli military base
i knew muricans are bad at math but this is too much
Which video?
this video. also there was another base hit.
> muh little wounded girl
apparently there are little girls taking a walk at night at israeli military bases.
That video? I can't see shit.
I remember back when anti-western commentators had academic degrees and wrote in major newspapers, look how far they have fallen.
Bruh look at this dood.
>our missiles are cheaper than the corrupted west!
You get what you paid for kek
IDF says some hit the target.
unnamed US officials can't even make up believable lies.
sauce
here's IDF fixing their runway.
https://twitter.com/IDFSpokesperson/status/1779573076864238057/video/1
So Iranian success is putting a pothole in a runway that's fixed in 20 minutes?
yes, same as US's TLAM strikes
yeah
nah lol. look at a crater israel put at a runway in syria for example
and they hit the runway in equidistant increments
I have a really dumb question: Does this actually do anything? Surely you can fill that up with concrete and modern jets can easily take off cause they're so fast?
each of those craters looks like this
so you tell me. also when you hit a runway in equal increments like this it becoms hard for aircraft of all sizes to take off
A jet can't take off if the road is a bit bumpy? Seems like a design flaw
To be clear, I meant the road will be a bit bumpy AFTER those craters are filled with concrete, kek
I didn't mean to suggest they should just drive across the holes
that will take several hours to fix. which is the whole point: to put the airport out of action for sometime
Oh I thought it was supposed to be permanent damage
you can't be serious? wtf is permanent permanent damage?
>which is the whole point: to put the airport out of action
In theory, yes : neutralizing an airfield is useful to temporarily limit the enemy's air capacity, which can help your own operations.
But it isn't the case here :
The airfield wasn't neutralized.
And even if it was, since Iran didn't capitalized with further operations, it was a pointless strike from a tactical, operational and strategical point.
yes iran failed completely.
>a bit bumpy
are we looking at the same crater?
Turbofans produce a LOT of suction, and are full of delicate precision-fit parts. If you've got a way of dealing with it, DARPA would be very happy to hear.
>fixing the runway
lol. it's not even a direct hit on the runway
the power of iran's ballistic missiles
And? A truly embarrassing showing. Out of an estimated 150 ish missiles launched only half actually made it to Israel. 7ish actually making it to the ground, most landing nowhere special. The "major" damage is a shrapnel to a c130. Letting aside the hundreds of drones and cruise missiles, of course.
>the sand was very evil
It's fricking over the the wec
QPR bros, our time is now
exactly.
there's no reason for unnamed US officials to deny those very minor hits and yet they do. making the rest of their statements non-credible..
Those are 'hits'?
>failed to reach their targets
Are you implying they were trying to miss?
https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-797064
You're shadowboxing yourself, moron. No one is denying anything. The US isn't a coon town face saver like your camel kingdom.
that's a different story.
that unnamed American official that talks about 50% failure rate said none hit the target. so the 50% failure rate claim can be dismissed.
Targets are usually something valuable, from this statement we could also conclude nothing valuable got hit.
You're reaching for a life line and desperately so. From what we've seen so far, hundreds of missiles with almost no damage. Maybe more information will be revealed.
>unsourced vague claims about someone allegedly saying something that means that sourced, specific and official claims must all be lies
I legitimately swing between rage at and pity for people who are as unintelligent as you. Life must be really fricking hard and sad when you can't do reliably things like assess the trustworthiness of people, organisations and claims. It must just be a constant battle with a world where the outcomes of all the important and unimportant life decisions you make are like random coin clips and you never know why, but also it's such a fricking drag sharing the world with the dumb shit you cause and the drivel you repeat on the internet.
>a hole
>a conveniently hole-sized pile of dirt right next to it
Hmm...
>a conveniently hole-sized pile of dirt right next to it
the dirt kicked up by the missile had to go somewhere!
sure it all went into one small pile
/k/ keeps telling me that intercepting missiles/drones are almost always more expensive than the missiles/drones themselves.
>/k/ keeps telling me that
stopped reading
>/k/ keeps telling me that intercepting missiles/drones are almost always more expensive than the missiles/drones themselves.
The price of a failed interception isn't the cost of the missile, it's the cost of whatever the weapon was targeting. In the case of an airfield (or a housing complex..) that's a pretty substantial savings. Which is also why modern ADS systems ignore missiles that will be hitting a sand dune or a two-lane dirt road.
>The price of a failed interception isn't the cost of the missile, it's the cost of whatever the weapon was targeting.
This is cope reasoning that works right up until you run out of defensive missiles because they were more expensive/complex to manufacture than the attacking missiles. And when the defensive missile is a $400K Sidewinder/IRIS-T or a $1 million AMRAAM and the attacking missile is a $20K drone propelled with a two stroke engine and guided by cell phone components, it doesnt take long time until your defensive strategy fails, as a sufficient volume of incoming low end drones will drain your high end defensive setup dry.
>$20K drone
$200k*
$2 millions cruise missile
$3-10 millions ballistic missile
the retail parts of the drones can be found on alibaba for a total of $20k. It's a 2 stroke engine in a Styrofoam frame. It costs USA $2 million to produce a cruise missile and $3-10m to produce ballistic. It costs Iran 10% of that.
Hey whatever copes you need to sleep at night.
its not a cope, these things cost a penny pretty much.
america and europe need 10 trillion dollars to sneeze, but the rest of the world doesnt.
/k/ is the most misinformed, most moronic community on the internet when it comes to anything weapons and military related.
>the most misinformed, most moronic community on the internet
most of PrepHole is like that, i only come here for the memes and ukraine webms.
/pol died when covid started, /k died when the ukraine war started.
>/misc/ died when covid started
/misc/ died it's final death during the 2016 elections newfriend, though it was already deteriorating before that.
But that's when I first came to the site, so it can't have been bad!
nah the 2016 elections werent the last nail in the coffin, covid was.
/pol's action against Shia and his HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US campaign was internet gold.
i feel like ebin happenings like that may have retro-actively brought in even more site-killing parasites because of the attention it brought.
what part do you disagree with with? Are you not aware its significantly cheaper to build everything in poorer countries?
Ain't even about the price tag in the end :
Even if the drones costed 1 $US each to make, that wouldn't matter if Iran can only produce a few hundred per months while its targets can produce as much interceptors.
If Iran starts sending waves of hundreds of drones on a monthly basis, they'll quickly face something else than state-of-the-art missiles.
Much like the palestinians needs to hoard rockets for years in between any successful strikes.
>If Iran starts sending waves of hundreds of drones on a monthly basis, they'll quickly face something else than state-of-the-art missiles.
I can't tell whether you meant they'll face worse missiles or that they will get bombed to hell and back
Why not both ? It's not like Iran's economical advantage is huge here.
Though I meant they would face something a lot more crude and meant to intercept a large volume of shitty slow-ass drones rather than fast, short range rockets and missiles.
So the answer is to intercept, and then retaliate with multiple billions in property damage to your enemy/them having to also spend good money on intercepting. Got it. The israelites are probably already planning something along those lines so we'll see I guess.
cant wait for the israelites to reply with a brutal bombing of iran, killing a hundred thousand civilians and then being shocked that antisemitism is growing in the world.
>If you kill your enemies, you lose
I think Tel-Aviv is ok with that kind of defeat.
Rising anti-semitism isn't a problem when it's mostly among people that irrationnaly already hated you anyway
>Rising anti-semitism isn't a problem
it is, if the only reason israel still exists is foreign aid and military assistance.
>it's mostly among people that irrationnaly already hated you anyway
not really, people who were previously neutral on israel are now very strongly against it.
here in spain our foreign ministry made a statement on twitter saying "we spanish condemn iran and its attack on israel".
literally 100% of all comments to this tweet are:
>frick israel
>you homosexuals didnt condemn israel for butchering palestinians
etc etc.
the world is going back to the 1930's, its up to us to decide what to do with it.
>literally 100% of all comments to this tweet are
lol
Checkmark grifters do not represent normalgays
i want to verify and check how much people are rooting for either iran or israel, how can i do that?
>well duh, check social media
>100% of all social media comments are rooting for iran, "frick israel" comments everywhere
>no no no that doesnt count
then what does?
i am shovelling through billions of antisemitic comments on the entire internet, where exactly, in which place, can i find somebody that roots for israel?
besides the white house, of course.
>My sample is Twitter
lmao
Sure, please take a guess if these reddit comments are pro israel or pro iran. Or, go to actual normalgays site like Twitch, and see if any people there even give a shit about gaza or israel. You seriously use twitter as an example, when only paid checkmarks grifters comments are showed on the top.
80% of all twatter traffic is produced by 1 million accounts, stop acting like a congressman taking it for a reliable source of public consensus.
what can i use to verify if the public opinion roots for israel or iran, then?
>everywhere i check people shit in israel
>so it doesnt count
then what counts?
Take a shower, go outside, and talk to your neighbors.
ok i just did, they told me they hate israel.
what now?
>well yeah ok that army recruitment video is a perfect example of people hating israel but uhh....
but what?
>what now?
Keep talking to people, make some friends, get laid, build a social group, have a happy life. Congratulations on taking the first step. The road may be intimidating, but you'll find it more rewarding than anything you could have imagined.
already got all that for the last 40 years, im glad you are super interested in my family well being but we were talking about israel here, please dont change the subject, okay? : )
Well, that's odd. I'd expect a senior such as yourself to be well-versed in the dangers confirmation bias and the ease with which internet consensus can be manufactured, but here you are walking into the most polluted and inorganic parts of the internet and declaring it must be true because you agree with it.
>here in spain our foreign ministry made a statement on twitter saying "we spanish condemn iran and its attack on israel".
And of course, Spain was a vital part of the foreign aid and military assistance to Israel.
Twitter isn't your government and even fricking Saudi Arabia condemned Israel while trading with it.
>only non important countries hate israel!
???
>USA released a new army recruitment video
>100% of comments are "FRICK ISRAEL"
>"IM NOT DYING FOR ISRAEL FRICK OFF"
You're not even trying at this point, moron.
Today, Iran, Palestine and the partisans of the multipolar order won the War of Twitter.
From all around the world, hundreds of millions of fingers typed "Israel isn't very nice and I'm not ok with that"
Meanwhile, none of these people would vote for a candidate based on him also hating Israel.
Hell, most of them wouldn't vote, period.
And so the War on Twitter was won but nothing changed.
candidates that hate israel dont exist, its illegal for politicians to criticise israel.
Well then you have it :
It doesn't matter if people hate Israel if it's illegal for the government to hate it.
Really simple, ain't it ?
>yes the whole bloody planet hates israel and the israelites but our anti-democratic governments dont care about what we the people actually think and do the opposite of what we the people want
clown world, isnt it.
>>yes the whole bloody planet hates israel and the israelites
Who are you quoting?
Vast majority of the world gives no fricks about Israel.
thats not what social media say.
>Social Media
You mean the people that were telling us WWIII was happening the moment Iran launched a missile, and that we'd all immediately be drafted and shipped off to die?
(These things were also said for every geopolitical incident between the Russian Ambassador assassination in Turkey to today)
Truth of the matter is, Israel could take over the entire Middle East and most wouldn't care. Same if Israel was nuked off the map. Too much of the world's population (including the first world) are too busy surviving to care about what happens in a place thousands of miles away with no connections to themselves.
>Israel could take over the entire Middle East and most wouldn't care.
israel exterminating the Gaza Ghetto was enough for gigantic anti-israeli protests around the world.
>Same if Israel was nuked off the map.
the world would have a 1 year old celebratory party.
>Giant protests around the world
We saw these for George Floyd. It's an excuse to get out of work/class
>one cracked-out Black person having a heart attack got more attention and violence than Israel leveling Gaza
holy shit, I didn't even think about that, that's fricking hilarious.
nobody even heard about fentanyl floyd outside of america, let alone start some protests.
most of the world held anti-israel protests when they started exterminating the Gaza Ghetto, though.
>nobody even heard about fentanyl floyd outside of america
C'mon man
>be greek
>read news
>*random american Black person is dead"
>lol
>continue scrolling
thats the most you will get from europeans and floyd.
C'mon man who are you kidding here
>>be greek
>>read news
>>"Israel is killing a bunch of muslims"
>Lol good
>continue scrolling
>Protests took place in over 60 countries and on all seven continents.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_George_Floyd_protests_outside_the_United_States
>4,200 worldwide anti israel protests
>the entire internet hates the israelites
World is healing.
>brown people screech about Israel
imagine my shock
>japanese are brown people now
>pay no attention to the literal shitskin horde
Also, what
said
Guys, it's not a contest.
Also, rather than the number of demonstrations, may we have the number of people in the streets ?
Also, can we just agree that demonstrations in third worlds do not count ?
Agreed
>israel exterminating the Gaza Ghetto was enough for gigantic anti-israeli protests around the world.
and what have the protests achieved exactly? do you think these are the first protests for a war ever?
>and what have the protests achieved exactly?
they showed that in case of shit hitting the fan over there in the desert, nobody will want to come and help the gods chosen people.
thats very good news.
Protestors do not exert absolute control over foreign policy
the whole point of the protests was for israel to stop the war in gaza. the prostests only died down since and the war expended since. a fair portion of gaza is now rubble. the protests achieved zero
>USA released a new army recruitment video
>100% of comments are "FRICK ISRAEL"
>"IM NOT DYING FOR ISRAEL FRICK OFF"
Glad to see that people that will not enlist are the ones commenting the video aiming at people that will enlist.
>Anon discovers what a vocal minority is
Link the video.
the comments are a god damn gold mine.
>No Mr. Rabbi, we are not going to fight in this war for you. Sorry!
>the only reason israel still exists is foreign aid
The same stale brown cope.
Israeli militias beat back multiple Arab militaries with duct tape and bubble gum.
The US providing it an additional 1% of its budget today doesn't move that needle.
No because you don't usually have the most powerful militaries on the planet coming to your rescue against a third world shithole.
The only "damage" inflicted came from ballistic missiles which Israel intercepted almost singlehandedly. That was the hard part.
It's doubtful the Great Shasneed Turkey Shoot would have posed a problem to Israel without intl assistance. Every jet they have carries 4+ stored fox 2 kills on hardpoints. Anything that gets through the CAP would get Iron Domed or Stingered anyway.
Iran was going to fail. They just failed even harder.
No, but it clearly is more difficult than it may have initially been assumed to be.
You can't just lob missiles en mass for a few hours against an enemy that is intentionally prepared for such an attack, you need to fire metric shitloads for days on end to overwhelm the enemy's defense systems and deplete their munitions.
I'm hearing "ebil Iran is le killing us poor peoples!" or "Iran is le stupid and can't even hit anything with its useless missules haha" so which is it?
the first one was before the update on Iran's failed assault, the second one is after
How many times in the next 24 hours am I going to hear tonally conflicting reports do you think?
500 times or no more times. Iran seemingly is backing off after this embarrassment and doing more "right time" bullshit they do when they have appeased their hardliners for the moment.
Why are you so butthurt?
23328 virgin calculators in the silicum heaven
>With a 99% defense rate
*sources claim
It's common propaganda to say your defense systems are great and your enemy's attacks are futile, for obvious reasons. They don't want to get attacked again.
Look, I know you're brown, but in countries where it's not illegal to talk to the press, all it takes is one death certificate to prove the government is full of shit. Besides, you should be happy. If they'd actually hit something worthwhile, you'd be crying about how they're clearly lying about the deaths as an excuse to level Tehran.
It is very difficult to hide successful strikes in an open society with social media, and satellite imagery that you can just buy as a private individual
Drone-chinks and houthigays are on suicide watch, this is what they were bragging about a few weeks ago, and then this happened, copelord tier of the universe mocking at them.
Israel has the infinite ammo and money cheat. Can't compare.
>99%
Yeah, I've seen more than five hits, so that's just a typical bullshit number people give in PR-statements.
Define "hits".
Was it a bright flash over the horizon ? If yes, sure, there were five projectiles that hit the ground somewhere. Whether the projectiles did so in one piece and on their intended target is another story.
Please note that for NATO, improvement in interception technology isn't about hitting the target anymore : it got to a point where increasing the precision on that front is becoming very difficult and not cost-effective.
It is now about calculating as narrowly as possible and as early as possible where the missile is going to hit, so it can be decided if an interception is needed at all :
Why waste interceptor against something that will most probably hit a patch of sand ?
So, you mean to say that they DIDN'T intercept "99%" of the munitions (as they officially claim), but rather that "99%" of the interceptions they conducted were successful?
Sounds like goalpost-shifting to me.
>no damage shown outside of potholes and some girl
Ball is in Iran's court to proof this attack wasn't a total failure
>Sounds like goalpost-shifting to me.
Maybe, though it is not my intention here.
I know neither what Israel included as "intercepted" nor the exact numbers involved for each category.
Though really, if the point is to say "achtually, it wasn't 99% but 95% so it's a lie", I guess you are right but that doesn't change much, unless we are talking future strikes in the five digits missiles.
Why would you intercept a missile that misses and hits a random patch of sand?
Air defense systems cannot calculate the intended target and trajectory of munitions that can maneuver or change their original targets mid-flight. That's why cruise missiles and drones are a huge problem especially when launched in the form of a barrage.
The Iron Dome can probably determine where a tiny bottle rocket launched from Gaza or Southern Lebanon is going to land because it doesn't glide and will stop propelling itself way before it hits it intended target. Anything that doesn't fit that profile is a huge problem for any kind of air defense.
>Air defense systems cannot calculate the intended target and trajectory of munitions that can maneuver or change their original targets mid-flight.
If you know the point of take off, speed, altitude, endurance and manoeuvrability of a given flying object, you can calculate in real time the potential range of said object.
From there, as time elapse and the cone of reachable area become smaller, targets become fewer and fewer.
The faster a projectile, the further range it has in its current trajectory.
The more manoeuvrability it has, the larger the angle at which it can change its trajectory or altitude without losing a large portion of its speed or endurance.
If it loses speed, it will need to expand endurance to regain it.
If it doesn't regain speed, then it will take longer for it to reach its target, increasing interception window.
Ect...
USA has been doing that at least since the 90s and has gotten better at it as time went by.
It doesn't prevent mistakes to happen but it reduces the amount of interceptors wasted on projectiles that would not have reach a juicy target.
>Anything that doesn't fit that profile is a huge problem for any kind of air defense.
It incercepted Iranian ballistic missiles at terminal velocity going down at mach 7. Sure it could not intercept a real ballistic missile, say something like a Peacekeeper which reaches like mach 20 at terminal stage, but still it's a significant feat for a defensive system
All ballistic missiles are very fast when they start coming down after reaching zenith. It's this very high speed that also makes it impossible for them to maneuver which makes their intended target easily calculable by radars. This concept goes back to WW2. All ballistic missiles regardless of size do this.
Now, what if a missile coasts at a height of 50 meters off the ground, flew in different directions and did maneuvers to obscure their intended target during flight, and could change targets mid course? That's what Ukraine is dealing with right now and it's what the Iranians launched at Israel. It's quite hard to shoot them down from what I've read. Drones and cruise missiles have a very similar flight profile with drones being much cheaper and modular.
Please keep in mind most of /k/ is extremely unintelligent and poorly informed about everything in the world which is why the consensus on this board is almost always wrong. For example, the Ukraine War.
What we know is 6 countries spent $1.1b in AA to shoot down around $40m-$50m of Iranian munitions. These were mostly Iran's worst, outdated stuff like liquid state ballistic missiles. A handful of newer solid state ballistics used.
It's not an economic exchange for the west. Iran broke layered defence and hit all 3 targets. They have tens of thousands of these munitions stashed around the country. This isn't economically viable to defend from. If was IRGC that did the attack, completely separate from the Iranian army. IRGC doesn't have any high value targets to strike, everything is underground like the Houthis so they won't be bombed into submission either.
My prediction is Israel cucks and bombs Iran's proxies.
8/10
Remember what happened last time brown people in the Middle East thought they'd be in Tel-Aviv in two weeks?
When was that? 40 years ago?
Israel did well as a society of WW2 veterans fighting unmotivated arab conscript armies. Those days are gone.
I get it USA can print USD. Can't print AA though. It's why Ukraine is out of shells and Russia isn't. The west will run out of AA before Iran runs out of munitions.
>Ukraine is out of shells and Russia isn't.
Who is buying from NORTH KOREA again?
>Who is buying from NORTH KOREA again?
I hear this a lot but to be honest, Russia only did that because its practical. They have guns that can fire those North Korean rounds. North Koreans won't make the rounds very expensive because no one else will buy them. And the Russians can use those rounds to supplement their current ammo expenditure while churning out more from their own factories so by the time that the many North Korean shells run out, you've got plenty of your own locally produced shells stored for a rainy day and your production rate can sustain your war effort without having to buy from foreigners again.
This is an artillery war. Both sides are going to do absolutely whatever they need to do to get ammo. And since Ukraine won't get long range missiles to hit those artillery shell factories in Russia because of "muh escalayshun", they're kinda fricked.
anon i really want you to see the US dollar signs. it doesn't matter how much of anything the missiles cost, because the US controls the world's currency. if the. US had to pay in fricking Yuan then this may have been an issue
>IRGC doesn't have any high value targets to strike,
They have families. They have mosques. They act as part of Iran, they can be punished by bombing Iran in general.
>if you intercept over 90% of your enemy's missiles, they win
>Spending $1.1b in 5 hours to stop $40m
Very sustainable!
>jews
>running out of money
It doesnt matter how much money you have when there's no more AA to purchase. Same issue with Ukraine running out of 120mm shells. Iran and its allies have more drones and missiles than the entirety of the West have in AA to continue shielding Israel.
>Iran and its allies have more drones and missiles than the entirety of the West have in AA to continue shielding Israel.
Right, and that's why they launched again tonight, and will continue doing so for the foreseeable future, right?
Right?
because Iran doesn't want this war to escalate into a hot war and risk things like their oil infrastructure targetted. They want the war to remain low intensity where they stay at arms length. Pretty obvious for anyone IQ >80
>accomplish nothing
>brag about how you could accomplish something but you don't want to because that would take effort
Well, you're on point for sandBlack person logic
Iran plays the long game.. It's how they took influence over Lebanon, Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Algeria. IQ must be at least >80 to understand. Sorry but this discussion was not meant for you 🙁
>no, you see, every time they do something moronic, it's akshually because they're so fricking smart that you can't even comprehend the dimensions of chess they're playing
post hand, gun, and outlet
They also took over Saudi Arabia, Uzbekistan, Morocco, Poland, Laos, Bolivia, Vatican City, and both of Earth's moons.
Oh I thought Houthis, PMU, Hezbollah were Iranian proxies? my bad
Iran also took over Easter Island and the Denny's from the Breaking Bad finale.
>because Iran doesn't want this war to escalate into a hot war and risk things like their oil infrastructure targetted.
>and risk things like their oil infrastructure targetted.
I got bad news for you : no need for an "hot war" for that last one.
Iran is getting bombed for chimping out this weekend.
The only questions are how much and when.
It'd be stupid for Israel to do it. Iran has only one thing worth bombing and that's oil infrastructure. Anyone else is a complete waste of their time.
IRGC is decentralized in command and logistics, everything of value is underground. There aren't any high profile targets related to IRGC to go for.
IRGC also deliberately fired all their missiles and drones from different parts of core Iran likely to encourage any retaliation to those parts of Iran. Consequence would be to rally the population for the cause. In 1 exchange the nation will rally behind the government and the regime becomes legitimized among the muslim world - delegitimizing Israeli friendly Arab governments in the process such as Jordan, Egypt, Morocco and Saudi.
There are variables in this that USA/Israel is fricking awful at understanding and its why the War on Terror was such an abysmal failure ending with Iran taking over the region. Because Iran knows what it is doing, and Israel does not.
>It'd be stupid for Israel to do it
Why ?
What would be the consequence for Israel ?
Getting missiles and drones thrown at it ?
Well, we are past that already.
>There aren't any high profile targets related to IRGC to go for.
The list of every single high-ranking person in Iran is available online.
The only reason they aren't being assassinated by airstrike is because Israel mostly want to be left alone and dropping bombs on foreign elites for the lulz isn't conductive of that goal.
>Iran taking over the region
The thirdiest of thirdie cope.
So let me get this straight, Iran COULD (allegedly) overwhelm Israel's air defenses but it can't because if it does it gets reduced to a crater, so this was its one chance to do damage and it failed. To thirdies, this is "Iran winning."
>Ukraine running out of 120mm shells
tourists go home
Correct.
That's why more often than not, the best defense is offense.
If Iran goes for attrition of the West's AA missiles, the West should level Iran's cities to reduce its capacity to annoy us.
IRGC has the ability to level Tel Aviv. Hezbollah on its own has enough to do it. It's a MAD in place by itself.
>IRGC has the ability to level Tel Aviv.
The last 72 hours, along with OP's picture, tend to put that in doubt.
It took $1.1b in munitions and 6 nations to defend against 90% of Iran's worst 300 munitions. Only a handful of solid state ballistics used and those hit 3 bases. You're an A grade moron if you think they're going to be able to defend against thousands of solid state fuel ballistics with actual payloads on them.
It's not really a hypothetical worth talking. At this point there are nuclear weapons involved. But both Iran and Hezbollah have the conventional capacity to turn Tel Aviv into a pile of rubble. My point was Iran has enough munitions to deplete Israel of AA and destroy their bases. IRGC doesn't really have high value targets for Israel to retaliate against, they will resort to economic targets instead like they always do.
>You're an A grade moron if you think they're going to be able to defend against thousands of solid state fuel ballistics with actual payloads on them.
I guess we'll have to wait to find out.
Probably not. I'm guessing Israel attacks proxies. I was on here saying Iran would attack Israel directly when all this board promised me Iran wouldnt do it.
>They could easily win they just don't want to
that's not what i said you ESL
>solid state ballistics
solid state fuel ballistic missiles, of which iran has <5000 of that can hit within range of Israel.
Sorry if you couldn't understand what I meant. I wrote that for >85 IQ
God, I hope that's bait. I really do.
>those hit 3 bases.
do you really consider damaging the ground here and there a hit? lol you standars are low. when i hear hit i think of pic rel. seems like Irans ballistic missiles aren't very accurate
also the idea that both iran and hezbollah can turn tel aviv into rubble is laughable. iran can only fire so many missiles before israel decides to turn their storage and military sites into rubble (which would happen if large scale fighting happened). and hezbollah doesn't even have enough pgms
They're in mountains. Hidden all over the extremely mountainous country. Surrounded by air defence. They've got proxies even closer to Israel on all sides with even more missiles.
their proxies don't have the number to "turn tel aviv into rubble". i mean look at yemen they've been firing cruise and ballistic missiles at israel for months and they haven't even destroyed a random sidewalk.
as for iran's air defense. it's pretty shitty compared to israel and will be penetrated very easily by low flying cruise missiles and supersonic bombs. israel could even destroy iran's AD at some parts of the country if they wanted. see Syria
Yeah, I'm kinda dubious about the "turn Tel Aviv into rubble" claim but do not be fooled into thinking that the Iranians and their proxies are weak. They're a huge threat in the region. They can bring a lot of direct harm to Israel.
>They're a huge threat in the region. They can bring a lot of direct harm to Israel.
yeah i don't doubt that at all. but remember any harm to israel can be repeated 10 fold by the israelis.
>but remember any harm to israel can be repeated 10 fold by the israelis.
ia gree, israel is currently dealing MASSIVE, irreparable damage to israel, in a virtually ceaseless 24hr cycle of infinite downward spiral live meltdown
and gaza is rubble and will look post-apocolyptic for the best part of the next 2 decades
>israel is currently dealing MASSIVE, irreparable damage to israel
We get it, you're underage and you're excited the first time you see Israel in a war.
>you're excited the first time you see Israel in a war.
israel is in a war now?
I'm sorry, is this supposed to be some "is not war, is Special Needs Operation" gotcha? Or is it that you've completely compartmentalized the Iran strike and THAT only turns into a war when Israel shoots back? You see, this is why stealing memes doesn't work, the context isn't there and it just comes off shallow and confusing.
who is israel at "war" with?
israel's at war with hamas. are you moronic?
hamas has a military?
like do they have tanks or an airforce?
whats the hamas'ian military structure look like?
nta but what a pathetic cope post lmao
>this is not war, this is pest control
Oh, shit, he's even more stupid than I though
they have rockets. they usused to constantly fired rockets that reached deeper into israeli (although that has stopped for sometime now during the war). they also have all sort of ammunition from ATGMs to mortar. you don't need tanks or an airforce to be at war
>they have rockets. they usused to constantly fired rockets
rockets?
hamas has a "rocket" program?
what model of rockets do they make?
may I see one?
>"rockets that reached deeper into israel"
lmfao, how deep? isnt gaza the size of las vegas?
couldnt you launch a toy-model rocket out of the city limits if you wanted to?
is this^ the power of hamas?
>As long as Hamas has hostages Israel wont launch a full on attack.
israel has been attacking all out pants on head moronic since oct.8th
how much "harder" can it go, besides literal chemical weapons or something?
it has pulled absolutely zero punches during this whole tantrum
israel literally dug up Palestinian cemetaries with bulldozers and did donuts on the upturned corpses
>how much "harder" can it go, besides literal chemical weapons or something?
It can stop avoiding places where hostages are or are suspected, which is were Hamas focuses most of their strategic assets, besides kindergardens hospitals and refugees camps. Which yes, Israel decreased even further its historically low tolerance against that bullshit.
lmfao, what places has israel "avoided" or "Spared" in other words?
i re-iterate
>israel literally bulldozed and up-turned the cemetaries in Palestine, played with the bodies and everything
how much "harder" can one nation go than that?
what "mercy" was israel extending before this
>"we will stop avoiding going hard on you and tolerated your bullshit"
escalation occurs?
has any warmaking nation in the history of history ever upturned enemy cemetaries, everyone of them?
did Stalin do that?
Pol-pot?
Temujin?
anyone? did any other nation do that? ever?
>anyone? did any other nation do that? ever?
Yeah, everyone in the sandbox, because muslims are the only people on earth with such low respect for their dead that they will disguise weapon caches as burial sites.
>the palestinian cemetaries are now weapons stash sites
nothing could be more "peak israeli posting" than what you just said
Yes, palestinians are poor defenseless helpless people with no outside financial help and Israelis are dumb evil monsters who commit atrocities that have no strategic value for fun, even tough it makes them look like shit in a modern war where public image is more important than ever.
Brillant analysis. I hope the poor civilians can somehow defeat the evil invading monsters made of pure evil.
>Yes, palestinians are poor defenseless helpless people with no outside financial help and Israelis are dumb evil monsters who commit atrocities that have no strategic value for fun, even tough it makes them look like shit in a modern war where public image is more important than ever.
>Brillant analysis.
hilarious^
and here I just thought i heard the most yiddish post of all time
but here we are, 2 posts later, and the record has been shattered again!
>It’s not true because it hurts my feelings
You are brown.
>hamas has a "rocket" program?
you should pay me for educating your stupid ass
Nah, he's gonna go "oh well where's the declaration of war why are they bombing christian baby girls don't you know that everybody in Gaza is good little boy who dindu nuffin why is Hamas' leadership in the Arabian peninsula not getting bombed etc etc etc", hence why I let him be.
these posts convinced me that israel is actually very strong, and hamas is very weak. israel should have this "war" over in no time at all!
>israel should have this "war" over in no time at all!
who said the war would be quick. counter-gorilla warfare was never quick. even the idf expects to fight hamas for at least another year.
As long as Hamas has hostages Israel wont launch a full on attack. The day the last hostage dies they will probably launch an attack big enough to overthrow Hamas, but gradually a similar organization will take place until surrounding arabs countries decide to stop funding it
>steals memes without understanding them again
Rameesh, please, you will not redeem the rupees if you keep it up like this.
>"oh well where's the declaration of war"
israel legit formally declared war and has a war cabinet
easily. US controls the world currency, so those rules are easier to flub when talking internationally compared to domestic. it is why the US spends frick all in the US but is willing to drop trillions overseas
It can print all the money it wants, it doesnt make more AA available for Israel. Iran will easily deplete it. There's tens of thousands of drones and missiles stashed around the country.
I'm just surprised you morons have so much faith in your Reddit headlines after seeing how much likes you were told about Ukrainian winning for 2 years. How have you morons not realized that everything in the news cycle is about influencing your perception, not informing you?
The missiles required to defend oneself against these attacks are way more expensive than the ones they are destroying.
>no footage exists of any of these things getting shot down
my dissapointment is immeasureable and my day is ruined.
whats more interesting is the global public reaction to the iranian attack.
as far as i can tell, pretty much 100% of the entire planet rooted for iran.
the last 2 years are really shitty for israels public opinion, we're going back to the 30's again.
especially the younger generation has become so incredibly fricking antisemitic, i just cant believe it.
>as far as i can tell, pretty much 100% of the entire planet rooted for iran.
if by the entire planet you exclude the western world then sure
the whole west roots for iran and hates israel, anon, are you living under a rock?
The West doesn't give a frick. US only cares about not spending another dime on bombing brownies, EU only cares about stopping the floods of "gibs gibs gibs!" refugees wailing at their borders, Japan + NZ + AU are more worried about chinks. And that's it, that's the West.
Oh, and there's also Canada I guess, but they're busy turning themselves into Pootopia
>The West doesn't give a frick.
it gives a ton of fricks.
>EU only cares about stopping the floods of "gibs gibs gibs!" refugees wailing at their borders
bringing in brownies is the only reason the EU exists for the last decade.
The gigantic public outlash against Israel in the last 2 years, people are just sick and tired of Israels bullshittery continuing for pretty much 80 years now.
Hi, Westerner here.
I don't root for Israel.
But I do not hate it and I certainly am not rooting for Iran.
"The whole west" doesn't like it when you kill civilians without at least trying to hide it.
But nobody's going to do anything serious against Israel.
And the reason is exactly because, as much as we are not confortable with what they do in Gaza, we know that they are the only stable and reliable government in the region.
>we know that they are the only stable and reliable government in the region.
They're essentially a dictatorship since Netanyahu has been the leader for like 20 years. They bombed a fricking consulate in Syria which is what to led to this Iranian attack. They've been flying all over the Middle East and striking all their neighbors willy nilly and wonder why they're hated.
Why do we even need to support them? Why do we need a "stable and reliable government in the region"? We actually could easily shake hands with the Arabs if we stopped fricking with them. Let me tell ya, Iran will not go down unless there is a boots on the ground full on invasion with a regime change and a new government installed with heavy, and I mean HEAVY, support from the West. There'd need to be pogroms of people who support the old guard and hatred towards the West and Israel that would lock up/kill millions. It's a densely populated and mountainous country. There's 80% of the worlds oil flowing just a few feet away. It's just not possible.
>It's just not possible.
Has been possible for 40+ years since the Sha felt.
No reason it cannot go forward.
>We actually could easily shake hands with the Arabs if we stopped fricking with them.
We are shaking hands with the arabs and have been for nearly a century now.
And we have been fricking with them all the while.
The worst they ever did was raise the price of oil and they would have done that anyway.
>we know that they are the only stable and reliable government in the region.
israel is literally the most unstable, time-bomb shithole in the entire region, primed to explode literally at any second
>The worst they ever did was raise the price of oil
and it literally financially crippled the US so hard we went into a decade of financial despair, and gas prices have STILL not recovered from it, nearly 20 years later
>the whole west roots for iran and hates israel
What mental illness causes a homie to think that?
its called "not living under a rock".
>da jooz rule da worl, but also everyone knows everything and are eagerly awaiting the brownoids to come save the white race
It's all so tiresome
who are you quoting?
you're moronic. lay off the twitter
You can see how much US and NATO cares about Israel lol.
You ain't talking out of my mouth. You'll never see me support a country that beats, lynches and locks women just because a piece of cloth wasn't fricking covering 3 hairs. Hope it does'nt get to ww3, but wouldnt mind seeing iran's regime fall
What if you just send hordes of empty missiles?
Cheaper, indistinguishable, and they'll get shot down anyway (until they don't, in which case you start alternating to give them guessing)
are they gonna be guided? guidence is what makes them expensive not the warheads. so that price offset might not be that huge. and if they aren't guided then they aren't of much use because you can usually tell where a missile will land by tracing its trajectory and whehter to intercept it or not. like iron dome does
A little bit of savings is better than none
No cost of explosives
Less weight, so less fuel
I'm sure it would make a difference in large numbers
meh. it depends on the math. warheads are usually less than 20% of weight of ballistic missiles. the cost is even far less than that compared to the rest of the system. it's possible that you might get diminish returns. it's probabbly not worth it. unless we're talking about guided decoys like MALD but even those are kinda of expensive
>guidence is what makes them expensive not the warheads
I wonder if they have a system somewhere where a "master missile" in a group has the expensive guidance and then the majority of the others have a cheaper "slave" system utilising the guidance
The explosive is like $1000 my dood
Most people "care" insofar that they have an opinion and might be hot for a day. But after that it drifts to the back of their mind because the news is now talking about a Drake diss track, which is the new thing to have an opinion on
you can still use the cheaper drones and missiles first to get the enemy to expend ammunitions, then launch a second salvo with better equipment as the enemy is busy replenishing his launchers.
another option would be to bait the enemy into activating all their radar defenses and aircraft and ambush them with your own antiradiation missiles and interceptors.
in the case of iran, they are too poor and stupid to do either, sadly.
A standard /k/ope is to compare the cost of the cheap drone with the cost of the target to justify the expenditure of munitions many times the value of said drone. That’s incorrect; no matter how you shake it spending 10-100x the amount on intercepting vs a given threat is an economic net loss. You are trading expensive missiles with cheap drones, not missiles with airbase control towers. You are merely losing LESS if you substitute the target with an expensive missile.
Of course, yes, the US prints money so costs at the level of a few billion here and there just disappear into the forever-debt. Because as long as the US makes interest payments when due nobody cares about how much the debt level is. But stop pretending that it’s not a hideously bad tradeoff.
Black person, I will set your house on fire with $15 worth of accelerant and matches and watch you screech about how you don't want to waste your $25 fire extinguiser.
it's funny because this argument has been made a lot since 2011 when the iron dome began operating. yet iron dome interceptors haven't run out in any conflict as far as i remember. they just keep shooting rockets down
its claimed that allies shot down significant share of those - that means that for Israel itself this was too much to handle alone
"a massive ballistic missile attack was carried out"
"a massive ballistic missile attack was succesfuly defended against"
sounds super grandiloquent but they were shitty mach 7 missiles with conventional payload and limited range. The way they are repeating it everywhere makes it sounds like we were close to a nuclear war. and in this case only one side actually has nukes.
Are israelis just israeli ziggers?
The best way to understand Israel right now is post 9/11 America.