will ukraine eventually end up paying for all the weapons or will they do the sam hyde debt method the USSR did and settle for like 3 dollars in 20 years
will ukraine eventually end up paying for all the weapons or will they do the sam hyde debt method the USSR did and settle for like 3 dollars in 20 ye...
Dead Russian is payment enough.
Ukraine will pay the debt back in the form of turning their entire country into an American fob.
This most likely. Only thing they're paying for is the things they actually buy themself ( or mercenaries ). But there will be extremely good oportunities for various western operations in there, bot military and business. It might become europes next cheap industrial goods supplier.
>end up paying
Its not how lend lease works.
>method the USSR did
USSR paid about 2%, for the stuff russia kept after WW2 instead of returning.
>Its not how lend lease works.
Most recipients of lend-lease paid back what they owed. Took a while, but they did it. The Russians being thieving Black folk does not set the norm for everyone else.
They will be offered loans to cover the financial side at very competitive interest rates
Everyone (except Russia) will profit from the reconstruction of Ukraine, but Ukraine will use a lot of its profits paying off this debt
As a one of the many tax payers bankrolling this war I hope we receive repayment in Russian scalps
Crippling your geopolitical enemy's military and economy for decades to come is payment enough.
>geopolitical enemy's
I'll get called a vatnik for going against the grain at all on this I'm sure, but isn't china the bigger enemy?
>but isn't china the bigger enemy
They are now.
You do remember how much Germany and certain countries in Europe were hesitant to join efforts in Ukraine war because gas was cut off right?
Nah, Xi is 69, give it another decade and they will be back in the team, after him and Putin get removed by their own people and Iran and North Korea get a regime change we may finally start talking about UBS, Mars colonization and functional fusion reactors hey, who knows? With an unified front we may actually avoid AI from going out of control, we may finally get all those androids PrepHole keeps talking about without fricking over the lower classes.
i doubt best koreans will change at all. Kim's daughter or sister will take the throne after he dies from the heart attack or something. It will be the same deal with a different name.
There's literally nothing stopping the ruling class from pursuing goals that are good for all of humanity right now. They'll never do that, because all they care about is power.
They're next in line.
Yes but now China can't have Russia helping them out since they'll be super fricked up and lacking in their latest gear. T-54 Obr 2030 will be their mainline in the future with parade float T-90Ms.
Only boomers and schizos think China wants to invade us. They lack both the resources and the will to invade the United States and occupy it afterwards. They are most certainly a threat to the international financial ruling class's global hegemony, but since I'm not a part of that exclusive club, I don't really a give a frick. In fact, I support anything that weakens the position of the sociopaths who rule over my country. Frick Winnie the Pooh, frick chinkbugs, frick the chinkbug government, but frick our ruling class more.
>VatBlack person or vatBlack person adjacent shill shows himself.
Putler's illegal invasion of Ukraine was wrong, but that doesn't mean I support the economic ruling class which controls the government that is supposed to be run by and for the people (not just the rich people).
China's recent uptick in belligerent attitudes probably won't outlive Xi. Assuming he doesn't die in office like most dictators, his wolf warrior morons and other nepotism hires will be purged for new people when he's gone. We should remain vigilant and able to retaliate against China deciding they're gonna do a bit of homosexualry, but I don't think it'll amount to much.
Who cares? Killing Russians (who are responsible for nearly every US casualty since WWII because they aided our enemies or actively fought for them) is a bargain use of old equipment and money.
US GDP is over 22T. The money only impresses poors too stupid to count.
That was before 91 moron, Russians never meddled with American chimp-outs in the middle east.
There is no debt, they are being given shit for free. They havent bothered with lend lease precisely because they dont want to have to pay anything back. The loans they have gotten from europe are deliberately structured so they never have to actually be repaid in any meaningful way
Paying with thousands of lives and destruction to keep the rest of the Europe safe is not enough then?
Russia will pay that like Germany and Japan did.
Peacekeeping duties for two generations my dude. They are going to be in charge of preventing Chinese expansionism North amongst the Ruins of the RF, whilst at the same time caretaking all the little countries it turns into. With the same hodgepodge of materiel.
Neutralizing Russia for the next 50 years so the US can 100% focus on China is probably one of the best deals in geopolitical history.
if the world is entering a decade of high inflation, which it very likely is, since the job markets are doing reasonably well, then the debt will become worthless by itself, by the time its due
They are paying by destroying the Russian army and economy.
They will get to keep the guns and either go for some long-term loan repayment plan or settle it in some non-standard way like letting the US put some bases and McDonald's in Donbas and Crimea for Russians to threaten to nuke.
I will accept Zigger skulls in payment.
The trade isn't our weapons for their money
The trade is our weapons for dead russians
As such, the use of the weapons in itself is compensation for the delivery of the weapons
>our
But you're Polish, not American. Pretending to be American won't actually make you qualified for confidential government jobs that require you to be a native-born American citizen.
It literally doesn't matter at all because both of their populations will be fricked.
>end up paying
They're literally gifted to Ukraine to use on Russians.
Gifted from whom?
Donor countries.
How did these donor countries pay for the equipment?
Ukraine is going to have money poured on it to rebuild by both the EU and inward US investment. Its going to be a boom of epic proportions.
Oil and gas from the Donbas probably. I'm guessing, and this is just a hunch, that people are gonna be a bit wary of Russian petrochem after this whole shindig.
>the sam hyde debt method
Ahhhh jeez dude, 100 billion? I can maybe do, like 100 bucks a month? I got these pills, my back is all fricked up.
they pay the west in dead russians
You do realise everything is being indirectly paid for by the assets seized by Russia right?
>Muh western tax dollars
>Steals Russian assets and says Ukriane still owes all the loaned money despite being used as casus bellus to take the assets in the first place.
We're being richly repaid with webms of mobiks being naded by drones
very heavy weapons and vehicles they will likely be returned back but for small arms i dont see why they would return those nor why anyone would want them back
ukraine will either have to pay very little actual debt or some agreement to give cheap gas to everyone as the destruction of the entire russian army for 0 NATO casualities is more than enough
>will ukraine eventually end up paying for all the weapons
Probably via a profit-sharing scheme on their oil, gas, food, and fertilizer exports. The US + eastern Europe will probably also have the government's ear on who not to sell to when they're being naughty. This would be the less-impactful way to recoup money put in, since it gives supporters a vested interest in ensuring Ukrainian recovery while not sticking them with a huge, unpayable bill up front.
The US and allies are buying hegemony, bringing Ukraine, Georgia and maybe even Belarus (post-Luka) into the EU and NATO in the next 10 years.
It'll basically get forgiven or given some incredibly cheap payment plan that effectively forgives it. People acting like the USA is going to "trap them in debt" is moronic. The USA pours money out hand over fist to people it wants to be friends with. NATO is basically a big subsidy to most of Europe since they get away with not spending much on their militaries while the USA spends more to make up for it. America pays Israel and Egypt to not fight each other, to this day. Etc. None of this is "on loan".
Ukraine will not have to pay back anything more than a token amount at most. And the Ukrainians love America at this point, and there will be lots of American investment in Ukraine, especially natural resource extraction, which both Ukraine and America will make a lot of money off.
What does America get out of this? A steadfast ally with a ton of experienced soldiers, huge amounts of natural resources, and major agricultural production.
US already stole enough Russian assets to pay for it all already.
>will ukraine eventually end up paying for all the weapons or will they do the sam hyde debt method the USSR did and settle for like 3 dollars in 20 years
Russia will be forced to pay the 900 billion reconstruction AND the new lend-lease 🙂
For example, we can de-nationalize the energy industry and sell it to western countries for one dollar. The natural resources, then belonging to western countries, can be used to pay for the heavy interest while whatever funds banks are holding can be taken to pay for the debt itself.
Even free labor does not seem unfamiliar, as people who have nothing still have their bodies. Mining and forest industries require plenty of workers and russian males fit into this equation easily.
>Ahhhh blyad dude ahhhh I'm on this pills man jebaať I can do... I dunno.... three dollas?