The war has been effectively locked in a stalemate for years now. Western Syria is under governmental control and relatively fine, while Eastern Syria is occupied by the US and it's backed forces.
It doesn't. It's on life support from Iran and Russia. Remember once upon a time, Syria+Lebanon was once considered the richest region outside of Egypt.
this isn't trial and error. we live in the age of information, it shouldn't be difficult to not fuck up. they just have to stop caring about the past, focus on whatever they have at that moment.
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>we live in the age of information
yeah.. about that
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garbage_in,_garbage_out
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and we can't sort out the garbage?
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why should anyone try when that garbage is extremely lucrative? It is also very important to have traditionalist sects of people. Say your "progress" leads to ruin, at least then there will be some people left that can provide and survive.
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our journalists think ChatGPT thinks, all hope is lost
Yeah curious how even sand people can scrape out a peaceful and prosperous enough existence when glowmorons aren’t involved
Egypt has not been relatively prosperous for centuries. It is dirt poor, with a lower per capita GDP than Palestine.
The MENA region has more often been under one consolidated rule than literally any other region on Earth. From Persia to the Greek successor states to Rome, to the Caliphates, to the Turks. MENA, aside from a few transitions, has spent centuries as one country. The idea that post WWI borders doomed them is retarded. They were just part of the same country right before the war.
I'm talking about back in the 19th century. Egypt and Syria were the main centers of the Arab World and were the centers of the Arab Revival. Egypt had the most developed economy in the Arab World back then.
Syria still retains enough of its territory that it can maintain itself. The majority of the major cities are still under SAA control. The biggest issue Syria faces it that it still has numerous breakaway regions to the north and east no longer under their administration. The eastern regions particularly hurt because that's where a big chunk of their oil fields are.
The front lines have been static since like 2019, 2017 if you count the defeat of ISIS. Things not in Idlib or the bumfuck nowhere countryside the rebels control were rebuilt a long time ago.
Not until Assad's regime falls, which may be a lot sooner than anyone realizes with the Russians on the backfoot in Ukraine. If Turkey or Israel decided that Assad HAD to go, there's very little Russia could do to prevent it.
erdogan tried to talk with asshat but he refused that cuz there will be elections this year in turkey and erdogan will be gone 99% so asshat prefer talking with new turkish administration in future but that will not change turkish view on ypg/pkk issue. e
It probably won't even change popular Turkish revanchism that says the parts currently occupied by turkey should remain a pay of turkey.
Honestly other than being loud and rude Erdogan isn't really that out of the ordinary in terms of Turkey's foreign policies, except the Turkish Army gets along with Israel better than he does.
Turkey is undergoing a demographic crisis because the Arabs and Kurds are outbreeding them. Many cities in Turkey are majority Kurd now. >t. Married one
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The Syrian refugees in Turkey has literally turned most of the people in the South of Turkey into hating Arabs (and considering them vermin) and who literally believe that the refugees are going to replace them and that Turkey needs a "final solution" with regards to the Syrian Arab problem. I think Watermelon Man's ummah died with the invasion of Syrians into the country.
Many Arabs are taking over parts of Kurd-majority areas too.
Pretty much never. The rebels don't have the capability to dislodge Assad's forces from the major cities, but Assad doesn't have the manpower to send his troops hunting rebels in the desert, especially when said rebels are packing American weaponry and training.
The only real chance of seeing a resolution to the civil war is intervention from Turkey. At this point they're the only country that's positioned and has the capability and means to invade and physically intervene in the conflict. Russia is no longer a player due to them transferring their small contingent to Ukraine and there's only so much under the table assistance Iran can provide.
And given his plummeting approval ratings, Erdogan is definitely the type to invade Northern Syria to prop up his regime.
Could you imagine Turkey attacking a US base or some shit? It feels like only a matter of time until a Bayraktar kills a SOCOM operator and their contingent of Kurds
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> Many cities in Turkey are majority Kurd now.
u aint fooling anyone
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Turkish fertility vs percent Kurd population
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> poor provinces fuck like rabbits
This happens everywhere in the world
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No shit but Turks are being replaced
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So are Europeans everywhere in the world
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And yet still noone bats an eye to circumcision.
Uncut gang rise up
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God that was so cringe
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In the YPG, we actively made fun of people like this.
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>YPG,
What do they even stand for besides Kurdish nationalism
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>What do they even stand for besides Kurdish nationalism
A very specific type of socialism as well as backstabbing other ethnic minorities in the region
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>In the YPG, we actively made fun of people like this >we
Post proof
erdogan tried to talk with asshat but he refused that cuz there will be elections this year in turkey and erdogan will be gone 99% so asshat prefer talking with new turkish administration in future but that will not change turkish view on ypg/pkk issue. e
The Syrian refugees in Turkey has literally turned most of the people in the South of Turkey into hating Arabs (and considering them vermin) and who literally believe that the refugees are going to replace them and that Turkey needs a "final solution" with regards to the Syrian Arab problem. I think Watermelon Man's ummah died with the invasion of Syrians into the country.
There are a fuckton of different racial groups in the Middle East and Central Asia, mate >Arab (Iraq, Syria, etc.) >Persians (Iran) >Kurds >Pashtuns (Afghanistan) >Turks (Turkey)
Can we just nuke that while peninsula already? I can't go on pretending to give a fuck about those subhumans. Now they choose to pretend that there are multiple groups of their subhuman clique? They've gone too far, if you ask me.
There are a fuckton of different racial groups in the Middle East and Central Asia, mate >Arab (Iraq, Syria, etc.) >Persians (Iran) >Kurds >Pashtuns (Afghanistan) >Turks (Turkey)
turks aren't really turkic though, they're like bulgarians. They had a ruling class for a while that was turkic but it's not like vast amounts of centralasians migrated into anatolia and mixed with the locals.
Ethnically, turks are mongrel greco-arabo-persians with a teeny bit of turkic here and there.
Turks are mongrels. They were originally from the Eurasian steppe before they migrated to Persia and Anatolia where they began to interbreed with Persians, Arabs, Greeks and Slavs. Modern day Turks are the mystery meat of the Mediterranean.
Lol go touch grass.
The people that really hate the Arabs are people like you. There is a reason Zafer targets people like you, and not the people in the region.
>Israel doing any of the work
The goy puppets are tired of Middle Eastern adventures for now so Israel won't do anything. >Turkey
Retards don't realize how unpopular the skirmishes with Syria are here in Turkey. We don't want more fucking refugees to flow into here.
Pretty much never. The rebels don't have the capability to dislodge Assad's forces from the major cities, but Assad doesn't have the manpower to send his troops hunting rebels in the desert, especially when said rebels are packing American weaponry and training.
The only real chance of seeing a resolution to the civil war is intervention from Turkey. At this point they're the only country that's positioned and has the capability and means to invade and physically intervene in the conflict. Russia is no longer a player due to them transferring their small contingent to Ukraine and there's only so much under the table assistance Iran can provide.
And given his plummeting approval ratings, Erdogan is definitely the type to invade Northern Syria to prop up his regime.
>????? blue eyes mutations started in the baltic region. every person on this planet with blue eyes has a baltic ancestor.
Sort of yes.
look up Samaritans. garden gnomes, Arabs lots of middle easterners could pass for white. Go to egypt you will find blonde/blue eyed arabs, even in Iraq you find red heads
>look up Samaritans. garden gnomes, Arabs lots of middle easterners could pass for white. Go to egypt you will find blonde/blue eyed arabs, even in Iraq you find red heads
This is the dumbest post in this entire thread. I have seen thousands of arabs, garden gnomes, nafris etc and none of them could be mistaken for an european. garden gnomes in particular have a mutation that makes them prone to have a recessed jaw and protruding bug eyes in addition to the typical v shaped nose, double asymmetric lips and wingnut ears.
>Blue eyes mutation started in gnomish/Arab population so, yes. The US Census Bureau also says they are.
The us census bureau makes no distinction between caucasian and white euro, which is false. Most caucasians in the world arent white europs but various kinds of brown third world people. Its a way to mask the demographic transition of the us population into third world majority because very few euro-americans are intelligent enough to understand how they are being scammed.
look up Samaritans. garden gnomes, Arabs lots of middle easterners could pass for white. Go to egypt you will find blonde/blue eyed arabs, even in Iraq you find red heads
I am italian and often I cannot tell apart levantines from people from the south of the peninsula so, yeah.
I once met a Syrian colleague, the guy looked like my dad in his youth, biggest difference is my dad has green eyes, this guy had blue.
His wife is a Sunni but Bashar belongs to a Shite minority group called the Alawites which is viewed by most muslims as a heretical group so the Assad family has tried to embrace more a secular/sunni image. Marrying a Sunni was probably part of that
you retard, alawites in general have "become shia" as part of their political normalization. despite the actual theology being completely heretical (and unknown to the average alawite themselves, it's a secret religion a bit like druze), shia clerics have basically legitimized them for political reasons. that's partially how iran is backing them. there are pro-assad sunnis but nearly all of his opponents are sunni and see the fight through that lens -to them it is not merely incidental. and in the larger sunni world he is despised as an oppressor of sunnis.
but, yes, his wife comes from a sunni family, you got that one fact right.
I just mean in general. Why do middle eastern leaders always embrace being depraved assholes? It’s like Russia and Southeast Asia constantly having shitty leaders
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It's impossible to govern in a way that is similar to the west and why all attempts at exporting a "liberal democracy" has failed. You can't have a democracy if you are multiethnic, tribal and sectarian country when each ethnic/religious group is always constantly trying to fuck the other one
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The process the west went through is unique and still DEEPLY flawed.
All the others had no revolutions based on specific principles like the American and the French one. Or certain ideas that went from renaissance to illuminism to modernity.
They cargo-cult us but their culture is different and the fact that they are some many and gaining power is scary.
>Why though? Saddam did this too. Why do they antagonize the majority population?
Because playing factions/groups against each other means they have less time to oppose the dictator. In the case of the dictator, "this protection" ensures the loyalty of that particular minority group and prevents the majority+minority from uniting against him.
Remember most of these countries are new states compared to Europe/LatAm/America/Canada/Australia that were previous provinces of a larger Empire and only given independence after decolonization so there was no sense of national identity and it's very much different groups with different ideas/agendas being stuck together. Iraq was for example created from three Ottoman provinces. Syria/Lebanon was a patchwork of different religions/cultures.
Ditto for large pieces of Africa and also the British Raj aka India/Pakistan/Bangladesh.
These countries are inherently unstable because of ethnic tribal divisions, they need to be ruled with an iron fist, especially when the minority is in power.
Typically minorities will side with other minorities to balance power against the majority.
Saddam provoked those external forces.
He waged war with Iran, lost but wasn't satisfied so he went for the Gulf Wa, which basically got Iraq destroyed...
Saddam is basically responsible for Iraq being a huge clusterfuck
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>Be Saddam >Call yourself an Arab nationalist >Invade majority Arab Kuwait
What did he mean by this
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Welcome to the mindset of a dictator
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a) borders are an imperialist construct anon
b) the arab nationalists of the 50s-90s wanted to unify the entire arab world aka conquer everyone so he was just starting small also he had bills to pay (those palaces + the Iran-Iraq War were expensive).
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Wouldn’t that cause trouble between them? Why didn’t that just make NATO but arab?
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Because the Arabs in the street believed in the Arab National Project (an Arab State from Morocco to Iraq) and that the borders were unironically a colonial construct to divide them. There was no effort because the strongest states Syria/Egypt were aligned with the Soviets and Iraq joined them after the Hashemites were murdered and they all believed in an eventual unification through economic/political/military means and not a creation of a status quo with the old borders.
The Monarchs like in Jordan and Saudi Arabia were against this and resisted, but they were seen as Western Collaborators by their own people and aside from Jordan they didn't trust their militaries because they rightfully feared a coup like what happened in Egypt and Iraq.
I was in rehab with a doctor who was in an accident and got hooked in tramadol lol poor guy was not really a drug addict... anyway he was Syrian and told this story about getting the high score in the country on some standardized test and meeting Bashar Alasad in person. I would always joke with him and say he was Asads top guy kek which was fucked up cause he literally fled the country after government troops started bringing beaten protesters to his hospital for "treatment" then threatening to kill him if he did anything to help them
1 The burden of Damascus. Behold Damascus shall cease to be a city, and shall be as a ruinous heap of stones. 2 The cities of Aroer shall be left for flocks, and they shall rest there, and there shall be none to make them afraid. 3 And aid shall cease from Ephraim, and the kingdom from Damascus: and the remnant of Syria shall be as the glory of the children of Israel: saith the Lord of hosts. 4 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the glory of Jacob shall be made thin, and the fatness of his flesh shall grow lean. 5 And it shall be as when one gathereth in the harvest that which remaineth, and his arm shall gather the ears of corn: and it shall be as he that seeketh ears in the vale of Raphaim.
>The word “corn” does appear over a hundred times in the King James Version, because in old English it had a different meaning. At the time the King James Bible was translated, the word “corn” meant grain of any type. The English word “corn” came from the German and Old Norse word korn (meaning grain).
We'll actually meet rebels near Daraa who are in ceasefire with the Assad government, in addition to getting up a castle in Aleppo where you can hear the bombing in Idlib from the distance.
I've researched the topic relatively in depth, and of the things people need to understand about the conflict but don't:
>The Alawites are to Shia as Mormons are to Protestantism - a very weird offshoot that a lot of people think is an insane cult (closed off as well) though they're actually really cool as they can drink alcohol and celebrate Christmas, meaning they are considered heretics and ergo liable for death in an Islamist state (unironically a worse fate than Christians or garden gnomes who just become second class citizens) >Alawites consider that if the Muslim Brotherhood come to power, it's a genocide and they're all going to die - they're like Israel in a way kek >Those tensions were fading in the 2000s due to the economic upswing, tourist income and Syria being an on and off ally during the War on Terror >Syrians generally wanted Assad out in early 2011 due to the zeitgeist at the time, but what happened to Gaddafi was an instant sobering about what could happen, leading to the religious minorities, secular Syrians and nationalists banding together to stop the anti-Assad forces >The Alawites run almost every high ranking part of government, so they were never going to allow Assad to go even if he wanted to >America was burned in Libya and so let Assad get away with shit they whacked Gaddafi for even threatening, getting the worst of all worlds of looking like wreckers, and weak >The Americans genuinely tried to only fund more moderate and pluralistic forces, but the problem was the weapons just got sold or taken by the Islamists >America eventually just cuts their losses after ISIS and helps the Kurds get a slice >Anti-Assad forces by now are basically les horribiles >Ukraine has fucked up normalisation drive
The remnants of the Anti-Assad forces (not the Kurds since they're in quasi-alliance) basically only exist in Idlib at this point. The 'Free Syrian Army' is basically a hollow shell that's completely subservient to Al-Queda alligned Islamists in the region. Idlib is a Sunni Islamist dictatorship full of
genuine Islamists and semi-regular people who have grudges against the Assadists and can't countenance submitting to his authority. The place is under some protection from Turkey, who is stopping the Assadists from just rolling in tanks, hence why the war has slowed down so much. However, the Idlib region is shrinking due to on and off ceasefires. If Assad felt it was safe, he would roll in the tanks to Idlib, but he fears if too many refugees suddenly pour into Turkey that Erdogan would have to counter-invade him.
The country is absolutely overwhelmed with Arab refugees at this point, dwarfing the scale of even Germany. The Turkish economy is badly hurting and the addition of millions more people makes everything even worse.
What you further have to understand is the sense of superiority Turks have over Arabs. Turks only playfully banter the Greeks, but they genuinely despise the Arabs as backward savages who never had their Ataturk to bring them to the next civilisational level - something like 10% of the country openly backs a Far Right Party calling for the mass deportation of all ethnic Arabs. Turks on the whole are pretty secular globally speaking (they are about the only Muslim group in Europe who wouldn't mind inviting non-Muslims to weddings). They do not want more Arabs, let alone Arabs from a Sunni Islamist shithole.
The rebels can not be easily summarized.
You have to imagine the rebels as a collective of dozens of groups that can have as few as 50 and as many as 20000 fighters. These groups on the regular would merge, disband, rename themselves or outright change faction.
It happened quite frequently that several thousand "moderate rebels" split of from the FSA and linked up with Al-Qaeda affiliates to join Al-Nusra.
While you can technically group rebels into mderates and extremists, there is even infighting among these groups. You would often see different sub groups of Al-Qaeda fighting over 3 or 4 villages to prove who is the better Al-Qaeda group, so that they could then fight against the moderates in the aera, to eventually fight the government forces.
Effectively you had a civil war, within a civil war, within a civil war.
The rebels were never a cohesive faction to begin with. Many sub groups ended up joining Al-Qaeda and later ISIS, others outright joined ISIS and the smart ones joined up with the Kurdish YPG to form the SDF.
Some of the ones in the North got turned into the "Syrian" "National" "Army" which is literally a Syrian auxilliary force commanded by Turkey. The SNA has even been deployed to places like Libya to fight wars for Turkey.
Tracking this whole mess is basically impossible though I was mostly describing the situation until 2017.
The rebels however aren't the only ones with infighting and a chaotic structure. The NDF which is fighting for the government is a complete mess as well just like the SDF.
You can see how complicated this is and why sending weapons to moderates and better yet trainining them too, is a terrible idea.
for me the big giveaway about what a cluster fuck this is was when the government started making gains in the south. They would repeatedly surround a town and offer the rebels therein the chance to lay down their arms and stay, get in busses and go north, or join the army.
>Tracking this whole mess is basically impossible though
no it fucking isnt
its actually real easy
The US attempted to coup&kill Assad, Russia stepped in (w/Wagner group 1st time) preventing the whole collapse of the region.
Russia killed ISIS,
"ISIS" fractured into its many politcally diss-affected groups pissed they were pawns of US/israel, and the Turkey deals with the backlash of US "allies" who have been left to their fate to die (betrayed yet again by the US)
Retard spotted.
The whole war is a battle royale proxy war where different regional and global powers fuck around for various reasons. It isn't just America trying to coup Assad.
How has the war affected the country's demographic composition? On one hand a bunch of Sunnis have emigrated but on the other I read that the casualties on the government side have hit the already small Alawi population disproportionately.
All the young men have pretty much left, its literally just young women there now.
https://english.alarabiya.net/features/2018/02/19/-Where-have-the-young-men-gone-Single-Syrian-women-search-for-soulmates
Ukrainian war: women and children flee, the men stay behind and fight.
Arab and African wars: the young men flee and leave the women and children behind.
I'd march them back at the point of a gun.
All the young men have pretty much left, its literally just young women there now.
https://english.alarabiya.net/features/2018/02/19/-Where-have-the-young-men-gone-Single-Syrian-women-search-for-soulmates
None of them should have been allowed to leave. Not one.
The government will most likely not lose any territory they hold unless Russia and Iran collapse and the Syrian rebels get a super bump by the CIA and Israel.
SDF territory and the small area with Rebels in the East will remain at least until international forces pull out there.
Turkey will likely hold on to the territory and Assad will not invade it.
The only place where you may see an offensive "soon" is Idlib.
ISIS is fighting for obscure mystical Islamic eschatology and the commander-in-chief of the US armed forces poops his pants in office. So much confusion and chaos and general fuckery, we are heading for a strange future.
I'm more curious on how the FUCK Syria even has an economy at this point
Humans will always exchange goods and services (e.g. peanuts)
ok Homer's brain
The war has been effectively locked in a stalemate for years now. Western Syria is under governmental control and relatively fine, while Eastern Syria is occupied by the US and it's backed forces.
lol, are you a real human being?
No, sorry, I'm just a Kremlin bot like everyone else.
It doesn't. It's on life support from Iran and Russia. Remember once upon a time, Syria+Lebanon was once considered the richest region outside of Egypt.
Yeah curious how even sand people can scrape out a peaceful and prosperous enough existence when glowmorons aren’t involved
its not glowmorons, its the past. people are too hung up on the past, trying to emulate it instead of forging forwards.
trial and error on societal scale is expensive hobby
this isn't trial and error. we live in the age of information, it shouldn't be difficult to not fuck up. they just have to stop caring about the past, focus on whatever they have at that moment.
>we live in the age of information
yeah.. about that
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garbage_in,_garbage_out
and we can't sort out the garbage?
why should anyone try when that garbage is extremely lucrative? It is also very important to have traditionalist sects of people. Say your "progress" leads to ruin, at least then there will be some people left that can provide and survive.
our journalists think ChatGPT thinks, all hope is lost
think in what way?
Egypt has not been relatively prosperous for centuries. It is dirt poor, with a lower per capita GDP than Palestine.
The MENA region has more often been under one consolidated rule than literally any other region on Earth. From Persia to the Greek successor states to Rome, to the Caliphates, to the Turks. MENA, aside from a few transitions, has spent centuries as one country. The idea that post WWI borders doomed them is retarded. They were just part of the same country right before the war.
I'm talking about back in the 19th century. Egypt and Syria were the main centers of the Arab World and were the centers of the Arab Revival. Egypt had the most developed economy in the Arab World back then.
Does Assad controlled Syria have basic functions and services running still?
Syria still retains enough of its territory that it can maintain itself. The majority of the major cities are still under SAA control. The biggest issue Syria faces it that it still has numerous breakaway regions to the north and east no longer under their administration. The eastern regions particularly hurt because that's where a big chunk of their oil fields are.
Syria has become the worlds largest captagon exporter and that is how it stays afloat somewhat.
The front lines have been static since like 2019, 2017 if you count the defeat of ISIS. Things not in Idlib or the bumfuck nowhere countryside the rebels control were rebuilt a long time ago.
Not if the spirit of Songbird is still using Dan Crenshaw’s body.
Not until Assad's regime falls, which may be a lot sooner than anyone realizes with the Russians on the backfoot in Ukraine. If Turkey or Israel decided that Assad HAD to go, there's very little Russia could do to prevent it.
Considering that neighboring Arab countries are normalising relations with Syria now, I think that's highly unlikely. Even Turkey is normalising.
>Even Turkey is normalising.
erdogan tried to talk with asshat but he refused that cuz there will be elections this year in turkey and erdogan will be gone 99% so asshat prefer talking with new turkish administration in future but that will not change turkish view on ypg/pkk issue. e
It probably won't even change popular Turkish revanchism that says the parts currently occupied by turkey should remain a pay of turkey.
Honestly other than being loud and rude Erdogan isn't really that out of the ordinary in terms of Turkey's foreign policies, except the Turkish Army gets along with Israel better than he does.
theres nothing worthwhile in syria to occupy for turkey and only thing they want is sending 3m syrian back to their motherland
I doubt these people want to go back. Given what Assad did to the country and now the country is propped up/occupied by the IRGCHizbollahPalestinians.
erdogan should have done what wagner does with russians right now with syrians but he was always pussy populist.
Redigan switched to MUH ISLAM because he needed the support of poor farmers and shit
Turkey is undergoing a demographic crisis because the Arabs and Kurds are outbreeding them. Many cities in Turkey are majority Kurd now.
>t. Married one
Many Arabs are taking over parts of Kurd-majority areas too.
Could you imagine Turkey attacking a US base or some shit? It feels like only a matter of time until a Bayraktar kills a SOCOM operator and their contingent of Kurds
> Many cities in Turkey are majority Kurd now.
u aint fooling anyone
Turkish fertility vs percent Kurd population
> poor provinces fuck like rabbits
This happens everywhere in the world
No shit but Turks are being replaced
So are Europeans everywhere in the world
And yet still noone bats an eye to circumcision.
Uncut gang rise up
God that was so cringe
In the YPG, we actively made fun of people like this.
>YPG,
What do they even stand for besides Kurdish nationalism
>What do they even stand for besides Kurdish nationalism
A very specific type of socialism as well as backstabbing other ethnic minorities in the region
>In the YPG, we actively made fun of people like this
>we
Post proof
Erdogan's opposition just dissolved lmao
Goddamnit
no they didnt. just one party "left" the coalition.
>Erdogan will be gone
God I wish. The dude is a pox.
The Syrian refugees in Turkey has literally turned most of the people in the South of Turkey into hating Arabs (and considering them vermin) and who literally believe that the refugees are going to replace them and that Turkey needs a "final solution" with regards to the Syrian Arab problem. I think Watermelon Man's ummah died with the invasion of Syrians into the country.
>hating Arabs
Are Turks not Arabs? What's the ducking difference? They are all brown and Muslim.
There are a fuckton of different racial groups in the Middle East and Central Asia, mate
>Arab (Iraq, Syria, etc.)
>Persians (Iran)
>Kurds
>Pashtuns (Afghanistan)
>Turks (Turkey)
Can we just nuke that while peninsula already? I can't go on pretending to give a fuck about those subhumans. Now they choose to pretend that there are multiple groups of their subhuman clique? They've gone too far, if you ask me.
Turks are actually white people and NATO member
turks are just greeks/anatolians that speak turkish. Very little genetic relations to turkic peoples of central asia
Retard
Turks are central asian, not arab.
turks aren't really turkic though, they're like bulgarians. They had a ruling class for a while that was turkic but it's not like vast amounts of centralasians migrated into anatolia and mixed with the locals.
Ethnically, turks are mongrel greco-arabo-persians with a teeny bit of turkic here and there.
Turks are mongrels. They were originally from the Eurasian steppe before they migrated to Persia and Anatolia where they began to interbreed with Persians, Arabs, Greeks and Slavs. Modern day Turks are the mystery meat of the Mediterranean.
Turks are turkic, separate group from arabs, they come from the steppes of asia and are related to current central asians which are also turkic
Turks are literally Greeks LARPing as central asians.
Lol go touch grass.
The people that really hate the Arabs are people like you. There is a reason Zafer targets people like you, and not the people in the region.
Who must go?
You...
You must go to the produce aisle and fetch me onions, do not fail me.
Turkey could have ended it years ago. Lazy bastards.
>Israel doing any of the work
The goy puppets are tired of Middle Eastern adventures for now so Israel won't do anything.
>Turkey
Retards don't realize how unpopular the skirmishes with Syria are here in Turkey. We don't want more fucking refugees to flow into here.
How’s the economic situation bro? I have family from Iraq and it’s been a while since I’ve been to Turkey. Wish you all the best.
Shitty, Earthquake made it even worse.
Won't happen Erdodog, uses them as bargaining chip against the EU
>We don't want more fucking refugees to flow into here.
Do what your neighbors did.
Meet them with loaded and aimed rifles, you do realize you can just shoot them.
Really crazy the juxtaposition between the text and the webm you posted
>STILL THINKS ASSAD WILL GO AFTER ALL THESE YEARS
5 shekels have been deposited in your account
2 more weeks glow chud.
Pretty much never. The rebels don't have the capability to dislodge Assad's forces from the major cities, but Assad doesn't have the manpower to send his troops hunting rebels in the desert, especially when said rebels are packing American weaponry and training.
The only real chance of seeing a resolution to the civil war is intervention from Turkey. At this point they're the only country that's positioned and has the capability and means to invade and physically intervene in the conflict. Russia is no longer a player due to them transferring their small contingent to Ukraine and there's only so much under the table assistance Iran can provide.
And given his plummeting approval ratings, Erdogan is definitely the type to invade Northern Syria to prop up his regime.
The war has been over for years lol, the only areas not under government control are those with tripwire American and Turkish forces.
Once I can marry Assads daughter the war will be over
Are Arabs white what the fuck?
Blue eyes mutation started in gnomish/Arab population so, yes. The US Census Bureau also says they are.
>Blue eyes mutation started in gnomish/Arab population so, yes.
????? blue eyes mutations started in the baltic region. every person on this planet with blue eyes has a baltic ancestor.
>????? blue eyes mutations started in the baltic region. every person on this planet with blue eyes has a baltic ancestor.
Sort of yes.
>look up Samaritans. garden gnomes, Arabs lots of middle easterners could pass for white. Go to egypt you will find blonde/blue eyed arabs, even in Iraq you find red heads
This is the dumbest post in this entire thread. I have seen thousands of arabs, garden gnomes, nafris etc and none of them could be mistaken for an european. garden gnomes in particular have a mutation that makes them prone to have a recessed jaw and protruding bug eyes in addition to the typical v shaped nose, double asymmetric lips and wingnut ears.
retard, you know nothing about the middle east
>Blue eyes mutation started in gnomish/Arab population so, yes. The US Census Bureau also says they are.
The us census bureau makes no distinction between caucasian and white euro, which is false. Most caucasians in the world arent white europs but various kinds of brown third world people. Its a way to mask the demographic transition of the us population into third world majority because very few euro-americans are intelligent enough to understand how they are being scammed.
Coastal Levantines are generally much more pale due to being mutts compared to the original "arabs"
look up Samaritans. garden gnomes, Arabs lots of middle easterners could pass for white. Go to egypt you will find blonde/blue eyed arabs, even in Iraq you find red heads
>white
isn't that helpful a term really
There are "white" - genetically and visually - populations all over the world
They look like an average midwestern American family on their way to a football game lol
I would say a New jersey family lol
The Sopranos extras
I am italian and often I cannot tell apart levantines from people from the south of the peninsula so, yeah.
I once met a Syrian colleague, the guy looked like my dad in his youth, biggest difference is my dad has green eyes, this guy had blue.
>implying
The fact that anti racioids made this uironically makes me kek
Hedgwik isn't really antiracist, the joke in that comic is that Italians/ Mussolini are black. Sorry you got filtered.
Never ask your Iraqi grandfather what he was doing in WW2
Nobody tell the artist about FDR's ideas on race
His wife is a Sunni but Bashar belongs to a Shite minority group called the Alawites which is viewed by most muslims as a heretical group so the Assad family has tried to embrace more a secular/sunni image. Marrying a Sunni was probably part of that
She’s so hot bros….
well anon does she have any bikini pics
my wife
you retard, alawites in general have "become shia" as part of their political normalization. despite the actual theology being completely heretical (and unknown to the average alawite themselves, it's a secret religion a bit like druze), shia clerics have basically legitimized them for political reasons. that's partially how iran is backing them. there are pro-assad sunnis but nearly all of his opponents are sunni and see the fight through that lens -to them it is not merely incidental. and in the larger sunni world he is despised as an oppressor of sunnis.
but, yes, his wife comes from a sunni family, you got that one fact right.
The only good reason to support ISIS would be hoping she gets raped and turned into an ISIS sex slave.
meds
Assad's daugher looks like THAT?
So in this picture we have Angry Joe in the back, Christopher Moltisanti and Meadow Soprano
Isnt the guy inbred?
it's funny how much his children look like him.
Also his daughter is cute.
holy shit
For me, its mother > daughter
Turkish people have deluded themselves into believing that they're still Central Asians.
Those aren't Turks
Russian and Iranian support will disappear in a year or two. You can guess yourself what that will mean for the state of Syrian civil war.
Why didn’t Russia commit more equipment to Syria? They had a few thousand men there then just pulled out.
they still patrol
Is it like how America has about a thousand troops there too?
>Are Turks not Arabs? What's the ducking difference? They are all brown and Muslim.
roach
> America lives so rent free in the minds of third worlders that the best 'own' they can think of is a png
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high fructose corn cope delux:the post
Does anyone else find it interesting that Assad is actually pretty cool with Christianity?
You Syria used to be Christian right? Also he's a Shia and their usually more liberal compared to Sunnis.
The Middle East is an incredibly interesting region goddamn you learn something new everyday
>You Syria used to be Christian right?
Yeah so was all of the levant and North Africa 1000+ years ago
He's a secular dictator compared to the sunni islamist militants that have started the civil war, he's the best option regular Syrians have.
Why though? Saddam did this too. Why do they antagonize the majority population?
>if I don't persecute Shia and Christians, I am oppressing the Sunni majority
Way to out yourself as a sandmoron
I just mean in general. Why do middle eastern leaders always embrace being depraved assholes? It’s like Russia and Southeast Asia constantly having shitty leaders
It's impossible to govern in a way that is similar to the west and why all attempts at exporting a "liberal democracy" has failed. You can't have a democracy if you are multiethnic, tribal and sectarian country when each ethnic/religious group is always constantly trying to fuck the other one
The process the west went through is unique and still DEEPLY flawed.
All the others had no revolutions based on specific principles like the American and the French one. Or certain ideas that went from renaissance to illuminism to modernity.
They cargo-cult us but their culture is different and the fact that they are some many and gaining power is scary.
>Why though? Saddam did this too. Why do they antagonize the majority population?
Because playing factions/groups against each other means they have less time to oppose the dictator. In the case of the dictator, "this protection" ensures the loyalty of that particular minority group and prevents the majority+minority from uniting against him.
Remember most of these countries are new states compared to Europe/LatAm/America/Canada/Australia that were previous provinces of a larger Empire and only given independence after decolonization so there was no sense of national identity and it's very much different groups with different ideas/agendas being stuck together. Iraq was for example created from three Ottoman provinces. Syria/Lebanon was a patchwork of different religions/cultures.
Ditto for large pieces of Africa and also the British Raj aka India/Pakistan/Bangladesh.
These countries are inherently unstable because of ethnic tribal divisions, they need to be ruled with an iron fist, especially when the minority is in power.
Typically minorities will side with other minorities to balance power against the majority.
Saddam was toppled by external forces not internal, I would imagine Iraq would be much better off under Saddam than the clusterfuck they have now
Saddam provoked those external forces.
He waged war with Iran, lost but wasn't satisfied so he went for the Gulf Wa, which basically got Iraq destroyed...
Saddam is basically responsible for Iraq being a huge clusterfuck
>Be Saddam
>Call yourself an Arab nationalist
>Invade majority Arab Kuwait
What did he mean by this
Welcome to the mindset of a dictator
a) borders are an imperialist construct anon
b) the arab nationalists of the 50s-90s wanted to unify the entire arab world aka conquer everyone so he was just starting small also he had bills to pay (those palaces + the Iran-Iraq War were expensive).
Wouldn’t that cause trouble between them? Why didn’t that just make NATO but arab?
Because the Arabs in the street believed in the Arab National Project (an Arab State from Morocco to Iraq) and that the borders were unironically a colonial construct to divide them. There was no effort because the strongest states Syria/Egypt were aligned with the Soviets and Iraq joined them after the Hashemites were murdered and they all believed in an eventual unification through economic/political/military means and not a creation of a status quo with the old borders.
The Monarchs like in Jordan and Saudi Arabia were against this and resisted, but they were seen as Western Collaborators by their own people and aside from Jordan they didn't trust their militaries because they rightfully feared a coup like what happened in Egypt and Iraq.
Almost all muslim dictators are. They suppress majority of their countries population but ally with minorities.
heck even the garden gnomes of Syria said life improved for them when the Assads came to power
is that why they all left afterwards?
Why does no one talk about the fact that Syria helped out America during the Gulf War and OIF?
The Coalition literally had Mujahadeen vets from Afghanistan. It was the greatest military alliance on the planet
I was in rehab with a doctor who was in an accident and got hooked in tramadol lol poor guy was not really a drug addict... anyway he was Syrian and told this story about getting the high score in the country on some standardized test and meeting Bashar Alasad in person. I would always joke with him and say he was Asads top guy kek which was fucked up cause he literally fled the country after government troops started bringing beaten protesters to his hospital for "treatment" then threatening to kill him if he did anything to help them
Once the US leaves
lllllllmmmmmmmmmmmmaaaaaaaaaaaooooooooo is this even a thing?
like srsly UKRAINE is the new hotness right now, who even gives a shit about Syria lol
that's like, soooo 2016
1 The burden of Damascus. Behold Damascus shall cease to be a city, and shall be as a ruinous heap of stones. 2 The cities of Aroer shall be left for flocks, and they shall rest there, and there shall be none to make them afraid. 3 And aid shall cease from Ephraim, and the kingdom from Damascus: and the remnant of Syria shall be as the glory of the children of Israel: saith the Lord of hosts. 4 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the glory of Jacob shall be made thin, and the fatness of his flesh shall grow lean. 5 And it shall be as when one gathereth in the harvest that which remaineth, and his arm shall gather the ears of corn: and it shall be as he that seeketh ears in the vale of Raphaim.
What the fuck? Corn is a new world crop.
>The word “corn” does appear over a hundred times in the King James Version, because in old English it had a different meaning. At the time the King James Bible was translated, the word “corn” meant grain of any type. The English word “corn” came from the German and Old Norse word korn (meaning grain).
When Israel stops meddling. So no, never. Every Syrian must die to make room for Greater Israel.
This, the 2003 Iraq war was one the biggest step in their plan for Israeli control over the region. So was the Syrian Civil War and all the others
Hola schizos. Are the garden gnomes in the room with us now?
>Are the garden gnomes in the room with us now?
Pretty clear they are, rabbi.
>Tfw going to Syria in two months
We'll actually meet rebels near Daraa who are in ceasefire with the Assad government, in addition to getting up a castle in Aleppo where you can hear the bombing in Idlib from the distance.
I've researched the topic relatively in depth, and of the things people need to understand about the conflict but don't:
>The Alawites are to Shia as Mormons are to Protestantism - a very weird offshoot that a lot of people think is an insane cult (closed off as well) though they're actually really cool as they can drink alcohol and celebrate Christmas, meaning they are considered heretics and ergo liable for death in an Islamist state (unironically a worse fate than Christians or garden gnomes who just become second class citizens)
>Alawites consider that if the Muslim Brotherhood come to power, it's a genocide and they're all going to die - they're like Israel in a way kek
>Those tensions were fading in the 2000s due to the economic upswing, tourist income and Syria being an on and off ally during the War on Terror
>Syrians generally wanted Assad out in early 2011 due to the zeitgeist at the time, but what happened to Gaddafi was an instant sobering about what could happen, leading to the religious minorities, secular Syrians and nationalists banding together to stop the anti-Assad forces
>The Alawites run almost every high ranking part of government, so they were never going to allow Assad to go even if he wanted to
>America was burned in Libya and so let Assad get away with shit they whacked Gaddafi for even threatening, getting the worst of all worlds of looking like wreckers, and weak
>The Americans genuinely tried to only fund more moderate and pluralistic forces, but the problem was the weapons just got sold or taken by the Islamists
>America eventually just cuts their losses after ISIS and helps the Kurds get a slice
>Anti-Assad forces by now are basically les horribiles
>Ukraine has fucked up normalisation drive
It's a mess
I’ve heard that the Free Syrian Army and shit have all collapsed. Only Kurds and Turkey exist as non-Assad powers . No?
The remnants of the Anti-Assad forces (not the Kurds since they're in quasi-alliance) basically only exist in Idlib at this point. The 'Free Syrian Army' is basically a hollow shell that's completely subservient to Al-Queda alligned Islamists in the region. Idlib is a Sunni Islamist dictatorship full of
genuine Islamists and semi-regular people who have grudges against the Assadists and can't countenance submitting to his authority. The place is under some protection from Turkey, who is stopping the Assadists from just rolling in tanks, hence why the war has slowed down so much. However, the Idlib region is shrinking due to on and off ceasefires. If Assad felt it was safe, he would roll in the tanks to Idlib, but he fears if too many refugees suddenly pour into Turkey that Erdogan would have to counter-invade him.
Why would refugees make Turkey invade
The country is absolutely overwhelmed with Arab refugees at this point, dwarfing the scale of even Germany. The Turkish economy is badly hurting and the addition of millions more people makes everything even worse.
What you further have to understand is the sense of superiority Turks have over Arabs. Turks only playfully banter the Greeks, but they genuinely despise the Arabs as backward savages who never had their Ataturk to bring them to the next civilisational level - something like 10% of the country openly backs a Far Right Party calling for the mass deportation of all ethnic Arabs. Turks on the whole are pretty secular globally speaking (they are about the only Muslim group in Europe who wouldn't mind inviting non-Muslims to weddings). They do not want more Arabs, let alone Arabs from a Sunni Islamist shithole.
>all ethnic Arabs.
wrong. we only want syrians to return their homeland so usa/ypg/pkk cant occupy and call the area as kurdistan.
The rebels can not be easily summarized.
You have to imagine the rebels as a collective of dozens of groups that can have as few as 50 and as many as 20000 fighters. These groups on the regular would merge, disband, rename themselves or outright change faction.
It happened quite frequently that several thousand "moderate rebels" split of from the FSA and linked up with Al-Qaeda affiliates to join Al-Nusra.
While you can technically group rebels into mderates and extremists, there is even infighting among these groups. You would often see different sub groups of Al-Qaeda fighting over 3 or 4 villages to prove who is the better Al-Qaeda group, so that they could then fight against the moderates in the aera, to eventually fight the government forces.
Effectively you had a civil war, within a civil war, within a civil war.
The rebels were never a cohesive faction to begin with. Many sub groups ended up joining Al-Qaeda and later ISIS, others outright joined ISIS and the smart ones joined up with the Kurdish YPG to form the SDF.
Some of the ones in the North got turned into the "Syrian" "National" "Army" which is literally a Syrian auxilliary force commanded by Turkey. The SNA has even been deployed to places like Libya to fight wars for Turkey.
Tracking this whole mess is basically impossible though I was mostly describing the situation until 2017.
The rebels however aren't the only ones with infighting and a chaotic structure. The NDF which is fighting for the government is a complete mess as well just like the SDF.
You can see how complicated this is and why sending weapons to moderates and better yet trainining them too, is a terrible idea.
for me the big giveaway about what a cluster fuck this is was when the government started making gains in the south. They would repeatedly surround a town and offer the rebels therein the chance to lay down their arms and stay, get in busses and go north, or join the army.
>Tracking this whole mess is basically impossible though
no it fucking isnt
its actually real easy
The US attempted to coup&kill Assad, Russia stepped in (w/Wagner group 1st time) preventing the whole collapse of the region.
Russia killed ISIS,
"ISIS" fractured into its many politcally diss-affected groups pissed they were pawns of US/israel, and the Turkey deals with the backlash of US "allies" who have been left to their fate to die (betrayed yet again by the US)
when will "allies" of the US finally learn? lol
Retard spotted.
The whole war is a battle royale proxy war where different regional and global powers fuck around for various reasons. It isn't just America trying to coup Assad.
If God is real, there has to come a point where someone is “close enough”, right? Like look at how many Christian offshoots there are.
>Will the Syrian civil war ever end?
Russia is the most useless military ally you can imagine
Once Assad is killed.
this is all America's fault
and Russia is the most useless military ally there is
yes
what rifle?
SVD or a variant of it
How has the war affected the country's demographic composition? On one hand a bunch of Sunnis have emigrated but on the other I read that the casualties on the government side have hit the already small Alawi population disproportionately.
All the young men have pretty much left, its literally just young women there now.
https://english.alarabiya.net/features/2018/02/19/-Where-have-the-young-men-gone-Single-Syrian-women-search-for-soulmates
Ukrainian war: women and children flee, the men stay behind and fight.
Arab and African wars: the young men flee and leave the women and children behind.
I'd march them back at the point of a gun.
None of them should have been allowed to leave. Not one.
The government will most likely not lose any territory they hold unless Russia and Iran collapse and the Syrian rebels get a super bump by the CIA and Israel.
SDF territory and the small area with Rebels in the East will remain at least until international forces pull out there.
Turkey will likely hold on to the territory and Assad will not invade it.
The only place where you may see an offensive "soon" is Idlib.
what rifle is that in the OP pic?
nice.
Dragunov/SVD, but blurry
that pic is so kino
it looks like the menu screen for a game made in Source Engine
Damn janny removed Asma lewds
Lord willing.
Syria and just South of Syria is the region in which people believe the final war of all mankind will take place, the war to end all wars.
ISIS wants Damascus and Damascus is crucial to the Islamic vision of the end times, and many of their end times hadith have already been fulfilled
ISIS is fighting for obscure mystical Islamic eschatology and the commander-in-chief of the US armed forces poops his pants in office. So much confusion and chaos and general fuckery, we are heading for a strange future.
what
When Turkey finds a joint strike with Israel on Iran amenable.