no because it actually has been adopted (to the point they finally dropped the "X" from the name) and barring anything fricky will actually be issued in large numbers to the point of actually being a standard issue arm, XM8 never got that far
secondly i would both of them >but ones a dude
yes? and?
I would them both. Sex? No I’d shoot and loot. Sell their MCX for a better rifle. Probably sell the gear too because it might have fleas or aids.
Unlike Colt, Sig doesn't neglect the consumer market. Colt was too reliant on military contracts so when they lost the M4 contract to FN they had nothing. They hadn't invested in their consumer products so everyone had moved on. Sig isn't making that mistake. And as long as they continue to avoid it they should be fine.
Yes, I've already posted about this and then response was "muh program goals weren't met", which is also seemingly the case for the XM7. .277 fury can't yet pen level IV armor, and probably won't given technical limitations without expensive tungsten.
>regular ass ammo fails to penetrate, though I don't doubt that tungsten-tipped ammo would succeed.
obviously the army is going to issue some 6.8 equivalent of the EPR and not basic b***h ball ammo. with that much bulging on FMJ, looks like the program did succeed with its requirements though its still to be seen how much practical utility this will be
>.277 fury can't yet pen level IV armor, and probably won't given technical limitations without expensive tungsten.
Reminder that penetrating NIJ IV plates without using tungsten was never a design criteria.
. 277 fury was never intended to pen armor, moron.
6.8x51mm with special projectiles can, and the special 6.8mm projectiles were created before any of the weapon systems.
no because it actually has been adopted (to the point they finally dropped the "X" from the name) and barring anything fricky will actually be issued in large numbers to the point of actually being a standard issue arm, XM8 never got that far
secondly i would both of them >but ones a dude
yes? and?
No, its more like this generations SCAR. Insofar as it was supposed to replace all rifles for a whole branch, but ends up only being used in certain roles and configurations; and after a 15 years is a rarity to see. In fact before Socom put out the contract for the Creedmore SCAR sniper this year, I was honestly under the impression they'd stopped using the SCAR entirely. If the XM7 is as good as they say, its going to be hard to justify keeping the M110a1 around, and I suspect that's going to be the XM7s final niche. So in 2038, somebody like me will see the army demanding an XM7A2 to upgrade squad DMRs and be reminded that the XM7 existed at all, and wonder why I haven't seen it in ages.
Its not a lie, that's a meaningless distinction. Just because Marine pogs still use the M16 doesn't mean that the M27 isn't ultimately replacing it. Pog units were still using A2s until the late 2000s, but they all got M4s in the end.
One of the ones that combines the two, like the furry bara superhero world with the latex mind break O denial slave symbiote world or the body fluid furry/monster hive mind mutant world
Yeah, they're building a whole new production building and manufacturing line at Lake City production plant JUST for the new 6.8x51mm ammo, if they're really just going to be used for DMRs, they don't need some massive production line that can pump out millions of rounds a month.
What are you talking about? It's part of a multi-year process of upgrading and updating most of the US's ammo production sites.
The lake city line for 6.8x51mm is supposed to be up and running by 2027/8.
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Anonymous
So if the spear is gonna be the standard service rifle then why is there a mid range gas gun trial going on where brands like Larue and LMT are competing in making AR10s in 6.5?
1 year ago
Anonymous
Probably not for the army, or if it is it's for some special forces group.
1 year ago
Anonymous
As said here its either some dumb misinfo spread somewhere or its a different branch doing some testing and potential acquisition. The navy and air force have their own systems and acquisition protocols after all. They normally fall in line with what the army adopts though because its just easier and cheaper.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Probably not for the army, or if it is it's for some special forces group.
https://events.sofwerx.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/MRGG-S-Objectives-Statement-23JUN21-002.pdf
Making a 6.5 AR-10 is a lot easier than gobbledyasiatic gimmick sigger shit
1 year ago
Anonymous
Oh wow, it's exactly what I said, a contract for special operation groups, not the wider army.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Hey dumdum do you really think jamal abdul hernandez and all other grunts will be armed with a sig spear and that 4lb optic?
1 year ago
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Again, considering procurement numbers they're either gonna have to start making DMRs a LOT more common, or they're actually going to be handing it out to the frontline troops.
Even if they stop procurement after FY 2024, they'll still have like 20-30k rifles and 3500+ LMGs. Which seems like more DMRs than the army would really need.
1 year ago
Anonymous
And what will more likely than not be the case is the NGSW being a DMR like weapon because those things are uncomfortable to shoot full auto and whoever wins the MRGG contract will probably have made/issued more rifles than sig
1 year ago
Anonymous
This is delusional, more than likely the M7 gets an even larger order in FY25.
If they were ACTUALLY going to go with the MRGG gun they wouldn't have bought another 17,000 M7's in FY24.
1 year ago
Anonymous
The SCAR-16 556 was supposed to replace the M4 and look at it now.
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see
Yeah, and they only ever ordered a few thousand and then cancelled it after getting a few hundred delivered.
In total I think they took delivery of less than 3000 SCARs.
1 year ago
Anonymous
H&K isnt ran by israelites or at least not that I’m aware of. Do you think boots will like lugging around a heavier rifle? At best it’ll be the designated marksman’s rifle.
1 year ago
Anonymous
See
Again, considering procurement numbers they're either gonna have to start making DMRs a LOT more common, or they're actually going to be handing it out to the frontline troops.
Even if they stop procurement after FY 2024, they'll still have like 20-30k rifles and 3500+ LMGs. Which seems like more DMRs than the army would really need.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>The lake city line for 6.8x51mm is supposed to be up and running by 2027/8.
So they're going to pay Sig $2.50 per round for basic b***h ball ammo for at least 4 or 5 years? Not to mention the SP round at $20+ a pop. That's one hell of a grift.
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Anonymous
Yup, that's the rub.
Would've been the same situation with True Velocity's polymer ammo too since it also would've required a new production line with new equipment.
I believe the army said they expect their "war reserves" of 6.8x51 to be filled in the early 2030s, but they wouldn't discuss what quantity the "war reserve" was intended to hold, though I'd have to imagine we're talking at LEAST 250,000,000 rounds and potentially even up to 1B rounds.
>SCP is gay as frick. Bring back Creepypastas
Yes. SCP is seeing human life expandable yet celebrating pride month and supporting transgender organizations moronic and cringe. I’ll take Jeff the killer over that bullshit.
No. The Spear is already extant and will be the Army's rifle going forward according to Congress.
i would the one on the left (if they had a penis)
I would them both. Sex? No I’d shoot and loot. Sell their MCX for a better rifle. Probably sell the gear too because it might have fleas or aids.
>Sex? No
>Serves him right, he trusted Ron Cohen!
you can actually do this with a lot of rails on many free float guns.
Okay homosexual
Gun sucks, end of story
yeah, and what are you gonna do about pal
basado
No, but Sig is on the fast track to become Colt USA 2.0.
Unlike Colt, Sig doesn't neglect the consumer market. Colt was too reliant on military contracts so when they lost the M4 contract to FN they had nothing. They hadn't invested in their consumer products so everyone had moved on. Sig isn't making that mistake. And as long as they continue to avoid it they should be fine.
Look up who runs sig
Yes, I've already posted about this and then response was "muh program goals weren't met", which is also seemingly the case for the XM7. .277 fury can't yet pen level IV armor, and probably won't given technical limitations without expensive tungsten.
>.277 fury can't yet pen level IV armor
Source?
No. The XM8 had negligible to zero improvements over the M16/M4. The XM7 is worse than the M4A1. (as a standard service rifle, that is)
regular ass ammo fails to penetrate, though I don't doubt that tungsten-tipped ammo would succeed.
>regular ass ammo fails to penetrate, though I don't doubt that tungsten-tipped ammo would succeed.
obviously the army is going to issue some 6.8 equivalent of the EPR and not basic b***h ball ammo. with that much bulging on FMJ, looks like the program did succeed with its requirements though its still to be seen how much practical utility this will be
>.277 fury can't yet pen level IV armor, and probably won't given technical limitations without expensive tungsten.
Reminder that penetrating NIJ IV plates without using tungsten was never a design criteria.
. 277 fury was never intended to pen armor, moron.
6.8x51mm with special projectiles can, and the special 6.8mm projectiles were created before any of the weapon systems.
I can't believe LSAT died for this shit.
That's how I feel about it too. The hybrid case shit is a complete dead end and already obsolete.
no because it actually has been adopted (to the point they finally dropped the "X" from the name) and barring anything fricky will actually be issued in large numbers to the point of actually being a standard issue arm, XM8 never got that far
secondly i would both of them
>but ones a dude
yes? and?
kys furry
another shit thread that could have been asked in the thread for dumb question
No, its more like this generations SCAR. Insofar as it was supposed to replace all rifles for a whole branch, but ends up only being used in certain roles and configurations; and after a 15 years is a rarity to see. In fact before Socom put out the contract for the Creedmore SCAR sniper this year, I was honestly under the impression they'd stopped using the SCAR entirely. If the XM7 is as good as they say, its going to be hard to justify keeping the M110a1 around, and I suspect that's going to be the XM7s final niche. So in 2038, somebody like me will see the army demanding an XM7A2 to upgrade squad DMRs and be reminded that the XM7 existed at all, and wonder why I haven't seen it in ages.
>Insofar as it was supposed to replace all rifles for a whole branch
Lol why are you making shit up?
The army ONLY ever mentioned replacing M4s for front line combat troops, they have NEVER once said the XM7 was EVER going to fully replace every M4.
So why say this lie?
Its not a lie, that's a meaningless distinction. Just because Marine pogs still use the M16 doesn't mean that the M27 isn't ultimately replacing it. Pog units were still using A2s until the late 2000s, but they all got M4s in the end.
Because that was always the plan with the M4, that was NEVER the plan with the M7.
Jesus you really are moronic and relying on lying through your teeth to try and make your point.
>when you get isekie'd into one of the 5000 various nightmare worlds catering to a single horrific fetish and aren't having any of it
Which ones the furries or lovecraftian SCPs?
One of the ones that combines the two, like the furry bara superhero world with the latex mind break O denial slave symbiote world or the body fluid furry/monster hive mind mutant world
They only ever had a few hundred XM8s over 3-4 years of development and testing.
The XM7 already has over 20,000 guns ordered.
Remember when the SCAR-16 was supposed to replace the M4?
Yeah, and they only ever ordered a few thousand and then cancelled it after getting a few hundred delivered.
In total I think they took delivery of less than 3000 SCARs.
Yeah I’m sure the finicky 12lb rifle will be replacing all the ARs and wont just be a DMR
Considering their FY24 procurement number they're gonna have a LOT of DMRs to go around.
It was the XM5 until they realized Colt already had an M5 rifle. So then it got changed to XM7 so when it enters service it'll be M7.
Yeah, they're building a whole new production building and manufacturing line at Lake City production plant JUST for the new 6.8x51mm ammo, if they're really just going to be used for DMRs, they don't need some massive production line that can pump out millions of rounds a month.
Two more weeks
What are you talking about? It's part of a multi-year process of upgrading and updating most of the US's ammo production sites.
The lake city line for 6.8x51mm is supposed to be up and running by 2027/8.
So if the spear is gonna be the standard service rifle then why is there a mid range gas gun trial going on where brands like Larue and LMT are competing in making AR10s in 6.5?
Probably not for the army, or if it is it's for some special forces group.
As said here its either some dumb misinfo spread somewhere or its a different branch doing some testing and potential acquisition. The navy and air force have their own systems and acquisition protocols after all. They normally fall in line with what the army adopts though because its just easier and cheaper.
https://events.sofwerx.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/MRGG-S-Objectives-Statement-23JUN21-002.pdf
Making a 6.5 AR-10 is a lot easier than gobbledyasiatic gimmick sigger shit
Oh wow, it's exactly what I said, a contract for special operation groups, not the wider army.
Hey dumdum do you really think jamal abdul hernandez and all other grunts will be armed with a sig spear and that 4lb optic?
Again, considering procurement numbers they're either gonna have to start making DMRs a LOT more common, or they're actually going to be handing it out to the frontline troops.
Even if they stop procurement after FY 2024, they'll still have like 20-30k rifles and 3500+ LMGs. Which seems like more DMRs than the army would really need.
And what will more likely than not be the case is the NGSW being a DMR like weapon because those things are uncomfortable to shoot full auto and whoever wins the MRGG contract will probably have made/issued more rifles than sig
This is delusional, more than likely the M7 gets an even larger order in FY25.
If they were ACTUALLY going to go with the MRGG gun they wouldn't have bought another 17,000 M7's in FY24.
The SCAR-16 556 was supposed to replace the M4 and look at it now.
see
H&K isnt ran by israelites or at least not that I’m aware of. Do you think boots will like lugging around a heavier rifle? At best it’ll be the designated marksman’s rifle.
See
>The lake city line for 6.8x51mm is supposed to be up and running by 2027/8.
So they're going to pay Sig $2.50 per round for basic b***h ball ammo for at least 4 or 5 years? Not to mention the SP round at $20+ a pop. That's one hell of a grift.
Yup, that's the rub.
Would've been the same situation with True Velocity's polymer ammo too since it also would've required a new production line with new equipment.
I believe the army said they expect their "war reserves" of 6.8x51 to be filled in the early 2030s, but they wouldn't discuss what quantity the "war reserve" was intended to hold, though I'd have to imagine we're talking at LEAST 250,000,000 rounds and potentially even up to 1B rounds.
>xm8 came before xm7
where are these time travelling gun merchants
The SIG SPEAR, the GROT, and Malyuk will probably be elevated by the last couple years events.
SCP gay as frick. Bring back Creepypastas. They are less embarrassing. Also frick analog horror and the backrooms too.
>SCP is gay as frick. Bring back Creepypastas
Yes. SCP is seeing human life expandable yet celebrating pride month and supporting transgender organizations moronic and cringe. I’ll take Jeff the killer over that bullshit.
Why is zoomer horror so cringe?
>Also frick analog horror
Gemini Home Entertainment is quite good, but a lot of others are pretty shit
No? The XM8 was artistically forced into every trial by HK, and failed.
The sig at least passed the trial.