Will NGAD just be a 5th gen fighter with capability to control drones?

Will NGAD just be a 5th gen fighter with capability to control drones?

  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    why you think that usa defines what a generation is and what not?

    lmao

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It needs long range and high speed to fight in the pacific. USAF says the F22 will be obsolete in the 2030s so it needs to be a flying wing

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I know dog fighting is dead, but how would a flying wing do in a dog fight?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It would do very poorly. That said, it seems the name of the game is stealth and lots of missiles. The sixth-gen fighter could be a more conventional design with a fast-moving flying-wing missile truck companion drone.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It would snap an AIM-9X straight behind it, or launch missiles from it's accompanying drones, or engage the enemy directly behind it with a laser

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Flying wings aren't conducive to high transsonic or supersonic flight.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          What's the line between a flying wing and a delta wing? Maybe NGAD looks like a Draken sans vertical stabilizer.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It'll have the air intakes on top in order to make It more stealthy, but at expense of maneuverability. So NGAD will be going long range, stealth, interceptor which will leverage long range missiles, longer combat range and drones to achieve superiority over 4.5th and 5th gens

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            This is more of a lifting body than a true delta wing. Kinda like the J-20.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        who says anything about the flying wing participating in a dog fight? Unleashing it's drones to dogfight would be much more effective.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    NGAD will be a fat f35 , maybe even use the same engine but 2 of them that way they can save money developing and improving engines for both.
    more weapons,more range, possibly a 2 man plane.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Literally describing the B-21 raider.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        B-21 is a little -too- fat for a fighter
        F35 is 30 ton max takeoff, NGAD will be ~60-70.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >NGAD will be ~60-70.
          I assume the source here is your ass.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Adaptive cycle engine seems to be a definite thing about NGAD, and that will also be adapted for the F-35 according to public information

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        also having the widely exported f35, the b21 and the NGAD fighter use the same engines is gonna save a shitton in spending and logistics.

        IMO it's gonna be a twin engined,faster F35 with a lot more internal space (usable with either weapons or extra fuel) and/or some kind of stealthy drop tank built into the design to give it 3000km+ combat radius (vs the f35s 1200km) before aerial refueling considerations.

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Sixth Gen is undefined right now. It will definitely include drone wingman integration. The other thing that seems like it will be common is a very powerful power plant so that it can utilize lasers for interception, both for its own defense and screening friendly positions and ships.

    I think talk about ramjets and significantly higher speeds is bullshit. We will probably just see iterative improvements here.

    Shit like mostly electric power and beaming energy in from satalites with solar panels is pure sci-fi. A California company is just now doing that for stationary commercial power and it is a long ways away from viable. Stuff like jets being able to climb to low orbit are also fantasy. I've only seen this truly retarded shit mentioned for the new Mig, which is supposedly capable of space flight and Mach 6-7 with ramjets lol.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >California company is just now doing that for stationary commercial power and it is a long ways away from viable
      so that means darpa had been doing it for twenty years

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        If DARPA had an efficient means of sending energy from solar satalites down to Earth we'd be seeing it already. It's too valuable not to use commercially. That and fusion are two of the best bets for energy independence and curbing use of fossil fuels. That tech would be a massive tool against Russia. The biggest threat to Russia isn't NATO, it's working tocamaks that are going up in the US and southern France. Once Europe's heating can be done without gas, Russia becomes irrelevant and collapses if it doesn't modernize.

        They need to learn 2 code, not take more gas for long term security.

        Plus, you still need better batteries, sulfur-lithium or something better to make it possible to run your military off them. I think we will get there, but not for 20-30 years.

        At that point there will be big changes. For one, once you have efficient coil guns and batteries that will keep them working for days, plus a way to deliver power, conventional firearms and artillery are out. Coil guns are way quieter, shoot way faster (negating armor) can have far lighter ammo, and make no smoke. DARPA did have a 120mm coil gun mortar for a hybrid engine Humvee replacement, but it go dropped in procurement. Pretty beat though.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          phase locked masers + rectennas are efficient. The trick is getting the large mass into space in the first place.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Rockets will never be efficient for the amount of mass needed for a full solar grid.

            They need to get working on the coil gun/mass driver space catapult. There is a cool new thing that's been done where the tube of the coil gun is filled gas, allowing a ramjet to turn on once the launch vehicle hits suitable velocity.

            Space catapult is the way to go. Also for nukes since interceptors best hopes of eliminating ICBMs is early in the flight path, but hitting Mach 6-9 out the gate makes that significantly more difficult.

            I also want these so battleships can come back and lob projectiles at each other or land targets from potentially hundreds of miles away at insane velocities.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              DARPA had a working plasma railgun and deep sixed it. I don't even care if it was expensive and fragile, they should have at least kept a few up so that we could send them to Ukraine. I want drone footage of a Russian tank column wandering into another ambush, and this time a donut shaped bolt of energy blows up one of the tanks while shooting ball lightning everywhere.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      RAM/SCRAM has no use in a fighter anyways. The operation modes require design drawbacks that would limit all purpose capability. High alt, high speed, high temperature flight is a totally different regime than 50k feet at mach 2+
      You make a fighter a RAM mach 5 plane and it is very limited with only one purpose, intercept, which is a dead doctrine because of modern missile defense.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Checklist for 6th gen.

    No vertical tail
    Super cruise
    High output generators
    Directed energy defensive abilities
    Optionally manned
    Agile wingman integration
    Combined cycle

    Anything above that probably won't make it in

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >No vertical tail
      All the 6th gens are likely to have tails.
      >Super cruise
      >High output generators
      yep
      >Directed energy defensive abilities
      none of these will have mature systems at IOC
      >Optionally manned
      >Agile wingman integration
      yep
      >Combined cycle
      I think you mean variable cycle/bypass, combined cycle is something difference entirely.

      The main thing you're leaving out is the software "cloud" that all the jets, drones and missiles will be working within. A big part of that will be how much we let AI take over. Tempest has shown some interesting peaks at neural and vitals monitoring by the plane to determine when someone is becoming overloaded at which point it steps in to manage peripheral tasks.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Pathetic. The MiG-41 has defensive lasers, a max speed of Mach 4.3 and can enter space, while also being optionally manned and likely having a full complement of hypersonic weapons by then.

        And initial flight is planned for 2025, not years and years from now like Western jets. The Mitsubishi F-3 isn't going to be ready until the 2030s lol. Looks like the F-35 is already obsolete.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The Russians can't afford to produce that at scale if they test it successfully.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >The MiG-41 has
          >And initial flight is planned

          lmao. It's also using bootleg Pentium 2 CPU comrade

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The Russians can't afford to produce that at scale if they test it successfully.

          They need to swallow their pride and produce a joint 5.5-6th gen with China or just not have more than 1 or 2 of them

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Literally less believable than Space Marines. Good luck with your wet brain though Sasha

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >our 5th gen fighter is in the single digits of production numbers but our ultra advanced 6th gen superplane is right around the corner guys I swear

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It'll have drone wingmen. Probably one variant that's a missile truck and one that's very stealthy for forward recon. It'll also probably have longer range than the f35 for use in the pacific.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    yeah

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Will a 5th gen just be a 4th gen with stealth?

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So how fast will it actually be?

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    We have absolutely no idea, bro. All we're going off of is that they're making an aircraft that's such an improvement over the F-35 that it's considered "next gen". The thing could phase shift into another plane of existence for stealth and countermeasure purposes. It could attack enemy aircraft directly with its radar waves. It could achieve FTL travel with an internal warp drive. We simply don't know.

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Flying wing carrier that shitout drones would be kino.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      A flying wind drone that has an enormous missile armament is likely, imo.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >ace combat in real life
      I hope not

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why would you want to control drones while piloting a jet?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Send in drones to hunt/destroy SAM sites, send in drones as decoys for SAMs and then engage w/ HARMS, send in drones for recon, send in drones to harass enemy fighters and then engage from BVR from a safe distance

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They can carry an enormous amount of missiles and would be more stealthy than an airframe with a cockpit.
      >alternatively
      They could be extremely fast, stealthy, and be used to do dangerous recon.
      One drone type to scout, another to carry lots of missiles. The piloted aircraft engages enemy aircraft and calls for missiles from the drones.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I wonder if this means we'll see 2 seaters again with one person focused on piloting and the 2nd on everything drone related.

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It’ll be large, slower flying and less maneuverable than a standard fighter jet. It’s going to have massive range and internal weapons bay. It’s going to be optionally manned with lasers to shoot down incoming missiles. It’s going to have great EW and sensor integration. It’ll command drones. It will be the stealthiest plane by far from a radar and infrared standpoint.
    It’s going to be hard to detect and if you detect it, you won’t get a lock on it. If you manage to get a lock on it, lasers will destroy the missile.
    It’s going to completely change how people think of fighters. It’s more of a air dominance platform than a traditional fighter.
    This is my prediction.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      So it's going to be a B-21? Drones can carry the radars, there should be full sensor fusion. Imagine a B-52 worth of AIM-260s, or you could go bigger and air launch SM-6.

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