Will Finland swap their RK 95s for ARs now that they're on NATO? ARs suck on cold
Are we getting new Valmet parts kits?
Will Finland swap their RK 95s for ARs now that they're on NATO? ARs suck on cold
Will Finland swap their RK 95s for ARs now that they're on NATO? ARs suck on cold
Are we getting new Valmet parts kits?
They're developing new firearms with sweden
Oh for fricks... We shouldn't drag Finland into this shit!
There's been talk of an AK6 since at least 2008 and they've just been walking in circles since
Unlike in 08 there is actually money now. + if spurdos drive this it might actually happen
This
They already picked an AR-10 derivate by Sako as DMR, so it's probably gonna be a similar AR-15 derivate as main service rifle
https://www.berettadefensetechnologies.com/sako-ltd-and-finnish-defence-forces-sign-a-contract-for-the-procurement-of-a-new-rifle-system/
>ARs suck on cold
and yet the US's Alaskan troops, and the Canadian troops haven't had any problems with this for 4 decades now. maybe finland's just incompetent or stupid?
>US's Alaskan troops
use AKs
No, we don't. Do some research, moron.
Those are policemen, you mong.
And they use AK's. Because they operate in the cold full time, unlike the army who just have some short cold weather training mission every now and then.
There are multiple Army units stationed full-time in Alaska, you absolute cretin. They recently got reorganized into one full-sized division.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/11th_Airborne_Division_(United_States)
>airborne
they use planes not rifles bud
Unrelated question, what did the doctor say your IQ was?
not trying to be wienery or anything, but he said im number 1 pal so be more humble
>police
>operate
Only time those fat fricks leave the road is to punch out from their shift
Alaska isn't t*x*s fricktard
>1st and 2nd Brigades of 11th Airborne Division stationed in Alaska full time with the express propose of conducting warfare in the artic
>tard thinks that they only do cold weather maneuvers every once in a while
Lol.
Looks like the use their civilian guns. Why issue two different AK-types in the same unit?
Canadian Diemaco bootleg M16s and M4s are adapted for cold weather usage.
What are the adaptations?
Polymer is different to make it more durable in cold weather and I believe I was told that parts of it is machine to looser tolerances so water has more room to expand upon freezing so prevent it from freezing things in place or breaking things.
Rifle is fine.
Next procurement will probably be NATO standard though.
I doubt they will entirely abandon 7.62x39 anytime soon though, they still have large reserves of both rifles and ammo and have been upgrading old stock RK 62s with modern rails and stocks.
good chunk of ammo reserves are East German corrosive ammo that will expire soon. Some RK62s were indeed "modernized" so they can remain in service for longer but soon it'll be its way out starting from oldest and most worn ones
> good chunk of ammo reserves are East German corrosive ammo that will expire soon.
Lmao moron. Combloc 7.62x39 ammo is lacquer coated and sealed at the neck and primer pocket. It's not expiring within our lifetime, especially if it's stored in a sealed ammo tin.
Corrosive ammo just means the primer compound with cause corrosive salts to be discharged into the gun's barrel and gas system when fired, it doesn't mean that the ammo is slowly corroding in storage. Corrosive berdan primed ammo actually lasts longer than non-corrosive boxer primed ammo, though both will easily last over a century if properly stored.
RK95s might be first ones to go because they are very worn and have seen heavy use. RK62 and 62M will remain in service and in reserve for decades still
No, RK 95 is in limited use to begin with, most are issued an RK 62. RK 62M is a stopgap measure but will likely remain in use for a long time. Only existing bids for new rifles are a new DMR and sniper rifle on AR-10 platform in 7.62 NATO. These will replace the Dragunov and TKIV85.
RK replacement is inevitable but not imminent, I'd expect a new rifle in early 2030s in some NATO caliber, but RK62/95 will remain in reserves for 50 years or something. I think there's still chinese or east german AKs in storage. The cartridge situation is a bit of a shit show since RK is 7.62x39, PKM is 7.62x54r, and now the new DMR would be 7.62 NATO. Atleast they can get rid of 7.62x53r.
As for the fate of the weapons, they'll sit in storage for decades until someone gets sick of them and then they destroy them all.
RK-62M update is slated to keep the old guns in service until 2035.
>Are we getting new Valmet parts kits
No, smelter it is
IIRC the lefties got their panties in a bunch about "selling military weapons to civilians" 15 or so years ago already. Not even deacts have been sold to civvies since then.
>IIRC the lefties got their panties in a bunch about "selling military weapons to civilians" 15 or so years ago already. Not even deacts have been sold to civvies since then.
finns can't own RKs?
you can own and get new licenses to former military weapons but no more AKs or SMGs converted from full auto to single fire. Now only collectors can have them in theory, but since gun surplus isnt sold to civilians anymore so yeah...
>Now only collectors can have them in theory
Well, exactly. Nobody under 50 is getting one, unless you were lucky and bought one (semi conversion) before the arbitrary grandfathering date of June 2017 or whatever it was. At least converted FALs sometimes pass inspection still because the cops don't know how to tell a former full auto FAL apart from a dedicated semi
After the finnish implementation of the EU gun directive you can't own converted to semi guns unless if you have the ability to own it as a fully automatic. There are some SAKO and Valmet rifles floating around but they are generally speaking too expensive for what they are and it's easier to just get a WPB or whatever.
>snowBlack folk would sooner melt down their AK derivatives than sell parts kits
I have wanted an RK95 or close clone for a decade or more.
Black person, if we still could have ex-mil weapons I'd buy one myself instead of selling it to Am*ricans
Oh look, it's this thread again. Yes, RK is getting replaced with an AR variant eventually. No you will not get Valmet parts kits. Ever.
>No you will not get Valmet parts kits. Ever.
you underestimate my power
this, but the more modern ones will likely be kept in reserve. On paper our wartime army is still some 200-300k strong, and we aren't gonna get AR's for every single toilet watchman instantly.
>In September (2021), a procurement will start that affects many people in the Swedish Armed Forces. It will then be determined which firearm will replace the AK5. The new firearm will be purchased together with Finland – which means that the countries will use the same automatic carbine in the future
no theyll go to the reservists and the old type 56:s that we have in storage will get smeltered or sold to some african dictator
They're gonna get HK416 and amerifats will cry about it.
>amerifats will cry about it
why?
No we aren't. We're getting Sako-made AR derivatives that have already been in development for years in conjunction with Sweden.
Allegedly, there hasn't been a trial yet so that remains to be seen
Wouldn't surprise me if the hk433 will be a hot contender because of muh folding stock.
I know I've seen pictures of swedish sof in Afghanistan with g36
The contract for the AR10 variant has already been signed, and the AR15 isn't far behind. Our SF already use a mix of equipment including several AR15 and AR10 derivatives and every time we have an exercise with a country that uses some sort of AR our men prefer them over our Rks. We still have an emphasis on domestic arms procurement for small arms, and Sako is a large enough company with Beretta behind it that it would be doubtful we adopt a 416 after agreeing to adopt a Sako rifle.
Also if this current conflict in Ukraine has showed anything it's that the germs are fully willing to leave their allies high and dry on wartime weapons and parts supply if it gives them the means to weasel themselves into better trade deals, so the less you need to worry about that the better
>and the AR15 isn't far behind
Do you have a source for that? All I've seen in swedish is that there has been a letter of intent. Nothing close to an actual trial. If there actually is a common swedish-finnish rifle its going to be a contract for hundreds of thousands of rifles so there will be a big ass trial.
It wouldn't surprise me if autism take the upper hand and sweden and Finland have a common trial but adopt different rifles in the end.
>have a common trial but adopt different rifles in the end.
Krag vs Mauser 2: Electric Boogaloo
>It wouldn't surprise me if autism take the upper hand and sweden and Finland have a common trial but adopt different rifles in the end.
It will be the same rifle, but when the trial is done and everything is ready to start mass production, Sweden will come with a list of last-minute changes to accommodate left-hand shooters, brass collector attachment points, a stock that can extend/contract 1cm more in either direction and a few other things that will double the cost of the project and delay it by several years.
Låter som ett rimligt förfarande
t. Försvarsmakten
It had better be a side charger. I don't like how we're forgetting all about making it conscript proof just because we want to be like the big boys
>ARs suck on cold
What the frick is this meme? How does it suck being in cold environment?
The Finn's will likely continue to use their current service rifle and cartridge for the time being since they have huge stockpiles of 7.62x39 ammunition, RK rifles, and surplus (East German & Chinese) AKs.
Units that deploy alongside other NATO troops with tightly integrated logistics may be issued 5.56 caliber weapons.
Any future small arms procurement in Finland will probably involve moving to NATO standard cartridges. But there's no rush to do so.
For what it's worth, Romania has been in NATO for over a decade and mainly issues 7.62x39 AKs and deployed units to NATO missions in Afghanistan with 5.45x39 AKs. But also
> Romania
Hk416 is good for winter. I been -40 with it. Its fine. Norwaybro.
the death of finnish ak SOVL
>Are we getting new Valmet parts kits?
im praying bro