yugoslavia broke up because it was comprised of 3 distinct groups that never got over their differences, and because they ran out of money.
Tito was a gigachad but he let certain problems grow and fester while he basically just held the nation together with nothing but charisma and telling Stalin (and his assassins) to frick off.
Russia is far too large. Internal division then cutting deals with the victors ensures you deal with the actual winners rather than ineptly attempting to pick them.
no it is fricking not. Vatniks have less meat then Bangladesh, a economy smaller then italy, economic model mimicking african resource colonies with respective development indexes accompanying that. It just looks big on the map since it has a lot of Alaska style wilderness.
It is smallish medium by african-asian nation standards. Its break up would just produce a a bunch of new churkastans like the central asia states. Nooks are no hindrance aside from some short term setbacks. Some of them went missing in the 90s and the world did not end because guess what, the biggest parties that were buying them were other state actors seeking reverse engineering know how.
Russians generally regard themselves as a united people who have the understanding that the individual parts of their country would be substantially weaker than even the current state of things. There are not ethnic tensions between St Petersburg and Vladivostok that will boil over into genocide.
Meanwhile Yugoslavia was composed of multiple groups who had been feuding in varying capacities for all their known histories and had been trying to wipe each other off the face of the Earth as recently as the 40s. Serbs were the only ones pushing for a united Yugoslavia in the 90s and that was under the pretense that they run the place.
St Petersburg and San Francisco comparison is apt. But Moscow doesn't really even have an analog in the Western world. It's a gigantic, super rich, super developed city in the middle of what is essentially an economic wasteland. It has all important railways and roads run towards it. Muscovites don't consider themselves to be peers of the rest of russians. They have jokes like "I wonder if there's intelligent life outside of Moscow", and there's an entire culture of unbelievable arrogance and pride. The Muscovites themselves are stratified heavily, since the country's elites reside there. There are places where a "commoner" can't go.
What Moscow needs is a few nuclear blasts straight to its rotten core.
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>super rich, super developed city
Only compared to the regions surrounding Moscow such as Tver or Ivanovo. In comparison with developed countries (even with Estonia or Poland, i'm not speaking of Germany or the US) Moscow is poor as frick.
>Russians generally regard themselves as a united people
I feel affiliated much more to my native region than to the country in general. Apart from language I barely have anything in common with the people living in Moscow, Petersburg, Syktyvkar or Makhachkala.
>mali and somalia
Mali is because the government didn't want them there. Somalia wasn't a full on peace keeping operation aside from maintaining a stable trading route and suppressing terror groups.
Just arm the Ukrainians to the teeth and declare all of Russia a free-fire zone. If the Russians are that hellbent on bringing back the Eastern Front, I see no reason why we shouldn't bring back Bandenbekämpfung to deal with them.
Peacekeeping in Russia is only possible if a lot of Western countries would suddenly be comfortable with deploying huge segments of their military for a prolonged period of time.
>but peacekeeping?
The only way to turn the russian mongols into productive people would be to buck break them completely, post-ww2 germany style
whether it's worth it is questionable. by the time it would've been done and they sort of integrated with yurop we'll long be made obsolete by AGI
If the west doesn't do peacekeeping in Russia then China will. I'm sorry to disappoint you, but if the Russian state collapses there won't be a century of dabbing and humiliation on them by NATO, it'll be a post-WW2 scenario where nu-Russia will be propped up against China
>I'd agree with removing all nukes, but peacekeeping? No, Somalia or Mali failed, no need to repeat the mistake, this time with snow.
This. These bastards threatened the world with Lenin, Stain, Putin, Marxist-Leninist KGB torture and nuclear Armageddon. Frick them. No nation building, no reconstruction , no peace keeping any sign of advanced offensive weaponry or industry zap it from orbit or with long range drone bombers. No UN no medicines nothing. No9 refugees. Show them the same mercy they showed the Ukrainians
Make no mistake Anon, the Oligarchs may send their kids here, buy our luxury goods, and have plans to escape here.. but they do genuinely hate the West, and the only thing that exceeds a russian's greed is his pettiness, they'll sell to lower bids if it means giving us problems.
Phase 1: Tightly coordinated surgical strikes disable all nuclear strike capability within Russia.
Phase 2: The entire US bomber squadron sweeps Russian airspace and begin dropping massive shipments of assault rifles and explosives.
Phase 3: The planes frick off and the ruscists are simply left starving on their own in a rotting shithole of their own making. Vatnik Battle Royale begins and is broadcast internationally live by drone feed.
>Russian Civil War 2 Electric Boogaloo >Boomer Neo-Bolsheviks >Muslim radicals putting big booby slav bawds in burqas >Oligarchs forming neo-feudalistic states >China trying to set up puppet states in Siberia only for them to get toppled by the US
>Secure nuclear weapons >Move in to ensure China doesn't eat up half of Russia >Protect the splinter states that emerge >Back the "legitimate" Russian government that emerges
Yeah nah, I don't want to see the Chinese empty lake Baikal in a horrifically inefficient way just to get some water to their ridiculously overpopulated (by water stress) dry north.
>Back the "legitimate" Russian government that emerges
It took us 100 years to finally finish this abomination and you want it to rise up again? Whatever states emerge from Russia not a single one of them should have more than 20-30 mil people in it. It's highly preferable that they go through bloody civil wars first so that those splinter states really ducking hate each other.
Germany has only briefly been a nation making it easy to reformat.
Russian culture is an ontological cultural enemy of civilization. There is no comparison. Russia methodically erased and erases its intelligentsia, not just opposing intelligentsia. Russia is what happens when organized crime is the entire society. All prey on all and the loser gets raped which the winners find droll sport and post on video.
Fortunately that's not great for building military professionalism.
>an ontological cultural enemy of civilization. There is no comparison. Russia methodically erased and erases its intelligentsia, not just opposing intelligentsia.
Yes, that would be a bad thing.
Russia already erased its intelligentsia and middle class under Lenin and Stalin. Yes there was a middle class, in fact Lenin was a fairly typical example. Lenin killed them all. Then stalin came and killed anyone who was not a murderer or alcoholic dross then just in time putin and his prison gang of poisoners came and killed any grand children that survived. Russia is just a cargo cul;t for stalin at this stage. Switch it off. I don;t get it at all because with ww2 primitive cargo cults who worshipped americans bringing ice cream and electricity you can kind of get it but stalin was a sadistic mass murderer Beria was a insane serial killer who was addicted to rape murders.
Go and watch this, it was made by a Russia and filmed at the kremlin in the brief window of honesty after communism collapsed and before the kgb crime gang murdered their way back
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>Beria was a insane serial killer who was addicted to rape murders.
I remember when the Tunisian embassy that now occupies his mansion started doing groundwork in the former rose garden. Cant remember how many bones belonging to young females they dug up from there. Even Stalin warned his daughter to stay away from him
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> Vitaly's Gardening Services & Fire Support, how may I help you?
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>Lenin killed the middle class
There wasn’t really one outside of Saint Petersburg. One of the objectives of the NEP was to actually develop a middle class across the country. This was considered necessary so that communism could be achieved. The Tsarist Russian economy was an absolute clusterfrick to the point that Stalinist communism was a genuine improvement in several areas. >but what about collectivization
A good idea in the central Russian heartlands where peasant agriculture was inefficient, backwards, and often resulted in low yields and hardly any surplus. It substantially improved the situation there. Anywhere without the Russian serfdom model of agriculture though? It was a fricking disaster that cut productivity. Tsarist Russia also suffered from famines on the regular, the Soviets just repeated their mistakes.
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>>but what about collectivization >A good idea
My God, there is someone as stupid as (you) alive today
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>There wasn’t really one outside of Saint Petersburg.
He likely meant the tsarist ones - dvorians (hereditary nobility) and chinovniks (members of civil administration) that spawned the intelligentsia, member of which was Lenin. Paradoxically it was the marxism afflicted Intelligentsia that organized bolshevik revolution and then basically suicided themselves during purges leaving the nation as a victim of completely amoral post-revolutionary bureaucrats and security functionaries that came from ethnic minorities and underclass.
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>The Tsarist Russian economy was an absolute clusterfrick to the point that Stalinist communism was a genuine improvement in several areas.
Under reforms passed throughout the latter 19th century Russian GDP was growing by double digits annually, there was intense urbanization and expansion of education and loads of infrastructure was being built; before being derailed by WWI and then gommunism they were going to be peer or near-peer with much of Europe by the 1950s and considering that the middle ages in Russia basically lasted until the 19th century that's nothing to sneeze at. Stalin mostly oversaw a marginal correction of the god-fricking-awful mess that the early Bolshevik governments made of things but progress remained almost entirely derailed.
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the white émigré (russians who fled to france during the revolution) absolutely detest everything russia became after the civil war.
these russians btw were also the crème de la crème of russian cultural, academic and genetic lineage. russia managed to gain a few IQ points on average after they established their satellites in eastern europe but they never truly recovered from that brain drain back in the 1910’s.
lol, tell me you learned hisotry by some shallow western default and overexaggerated "hisotry review" and twitter memes without telling me so
its much more complicated that "le all good creme de la creme migrated and russia became dark grey shithole" kek
Acutally, 20s were harsh(civil war, sanctions, tumoils) but 30s, 40s and 50s are the years of bulding a foundation of prosperoty(60s and 70s lived on the 1930-50s educational system legacy) and a time of rapid economc growth. The life of ordinary Soviet citizens drastically improved when commies seized a power and "creme de la creme" leaved the country.
>Beria was a insane serial killer who was addicted to rape murders.
He was indeed a Georgian pervert in his day to day life stance, but the stories of "rape murders" are just a product of his post-execution defamation.
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tell me sweetie, how did Russia (forma el communista) industrialise?
1 year ago
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Through harsh economic(thus, social too) measures aka NEP.
>i-i need assurances
and that's why you won't be in power, you won't solve to ukraine situation and you will never get out from under china, the russia-west relations were good prior to ukraine the shift to russia being a part of the western powers vs china was already in the works but the ukraine war threw a wrench into that
all they need is a openly "pro west" guy to talk that good shit about freedom in tv and to box in china from russia, if you think nato is bending over backwards for turkey you have no idea how much honey they would jizz if they could landlock china and they would sure as hell try to stay on nice terms with whoever pro west person would help them, and like i said putin could still be useful for that behind the scenes you just need the pro west stooge to be the front man like presidents are in the west
Russia and China are both NATO's, Albrtight's, Bzezshinskiy's and so on enemies. Won't happen.
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then out culture war the west and beat them at their own game already
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>Through harsh economic(thus, social too) measures aka NEP.
wrong! through enslaving kazakh and ukrainian sneeders and selling their own grain to the West for factory imports and know-how
>So that there aren't a dozen Warlord states with rogue nuclear weapons
The strategic thinking has shifted. Putler has been threatening to nuke everyone for a year. Having 7 different warlords with nukes would not be worse, it would be an improvement.
>It's highly preferable that they go through bloody civil wars first so that those splinter states really ducking hate each other.
Thats pretty good: simple and self-limits their growth.
>Move in to ensure China doesn't eat up half of Russia
Its really cute if NATO thinks it can move faster than China in claiming the east when 1) many Chang garrisons are in teh Northern border, including the all important Northern Military Region and 2), all the important Eastern Russian cities are close to the Chinese border.
This is the China Russia border in Inner Mongolia (which is considered a sparsely populated section of China). If Russia folds the changs have enough roads and airports and rails nearby to make a quick grab of the east.
>Move in to ensure China doesn't eat up half of Russia
Its really cute if NATO thinks it can move faster than China in claiming the east when 1) many Chang garrisons are in teh Northern border, including the all important Northern Military Region and 2), all the important Eastern Russian cities are close to the Chinese border.
This is the China Russia border in Inner Mongolia (which is considered a sparsely populated section of China). If Russia folds the changs have enough roads and airports and rails nearby to make a quick grab of the east.
>>Move in to ensure China doesn't eat up half of Russia
The reality is that Chinx are pussies, they won't make a move beyond sending a few recon units to their border with Pussia, like they do in the border with India.
Both Sino-Soviet shitholes are propped up by 5th column perfidy, but their Potemkin Village societies still managed to release Coof and play stupid about it. Even if it was a frickup release, they activated offensive contingency plans that are functionally equivalent to a first bioweapon strike. So even if they aren't or weren't planning on moving on those designs, they're verrrrry nervous - and ought to be, because they're guilty as sin and have the blood millions on their hands
what do russians even want? apart from political orgs, activists, social media youth and opposition politicians, I never see or hear adult russians communicate anything other than edgy doomer drivel or romanization of stalinism
it was always and has always been about "the empire". A continuation of the russian and ussr one. A russian is NOT apolitical, they are imperialist. they dont care about living in poverty as long as they feel about being feared. For they equal fear with respect which is even codified in one of the many, many infamous saying they have. The direct tool for fear is violence and that is where the military comes in. For "if they dont fear us, we will kill them"
There is no empire without ukraine, its military industrial and agricultural heart. Belarus already is shadow occupied which will be formalized with official annexation in the coming years.
i mean some schizo 'we advanced 5 meters and took some noname village, therefore we're winning' that pop up from time to time.
imagine uncontrollable moron like kadyrov getting his own icbm silo in post-monke warlord russia
if kadyrov can be controlled by money from putin he can just as well be controlled by money from elsewhere, and i've heard elsewhere has a lot of them.
What's the rush? They've got two more weeks to prepare.
Got a keep the hopium flowing to minimize the attrition of those who they've groomed to do it for free. Every passing week 50% of nafo r*dditors don't come back
Black Cops Death Squads to go secure all CBRN facilities from the drunken hordes of illiterate monkeys sure to try don't apparate out of thin air, anon
His family are white russian that fled the commies and came to France. He tries to sound like a moderate with no biais but he's pretty anti russia and pro NATO.
Allegedly he's a very good officer, and he wrote some manual about tactics that is like the bible for officers or something.
the white émigré (russians who fled to france during the revolution) absolutely detest everything russia became after the civil war.
these russians btw were also the crème de la crème of russian cultural, academic and genetic lineage. russia managed to gain a few IQ points on average after they established their satellites in eastern europe but they never truly recovered from that brain drain back in the 1910’s.
His family are white russian that fled the commies and came to France. He tries to sound like a moderate with no biais but he's pretty anti russia and pro NATO.
Allegedly he's a very good officer, and he wrote some manual about tactics that is like the bible for officers or something.
>absolutely detest everything russia became after the civil war
lmao
they detest communism, sure, but they are still the same Russian Imperialists as the rest of them.
Frenchier than you Muhamad. And actually nicer to the countries NATO operates in, with an emphasis on a doctrine limiting collateral damage.
Listen to the man talking in 2018 about the way NATO should conduct ground operations in the 21st century
>wants to limit collateral damage >wants politicians to actually have the balls to send boots on the grounds
Big respect for monsieur general
Cares more about the civilians than actual civilians (politicians) themselves
Europe's a weird place. Emperor Franz Joseph was saved from an assassin by an Austrian nobleman named Count Maximilian Karl Lamoral **O'Donnell**. Or how the Chief of Staff of the Swedish Army in WW2 was a named Archibald Douglas. Wars of religion, anti-monarchist revolutions, and communism has led to a lot of emigres over the centuries.
Because a nuclear state in a full collapse has always been a big fear for the U.S. during the fall of the soviet union, america didn't want russia to full collapse and insisted on keeping some of its territory to maintain stability.
Because it will be a huge fricking mess. Particularly, the CIA/etc will need to ensure Russia's nuclear weapons are accounted for and don't end up on the black market. Same shit as when the Soviet Union collapsed. A big fricking mess.
Reminder that the Soviet Union left booby trapped weapons caches around Europe, and according to persistent rumors, some of these included nuclear weapons: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molniya_(explosive_trap)
vatnik union could claim all it wanted. like its successor it too was full of shit. reality for NOOK observers going into the imploded union was finding unguarded launch sites with doors open and no guards. Much like ukranians are burning/exploding/droning rare airframes on airfields since the fence has rotted through and the mobniks guarding it are sleeping in the gate booth
>poccn gonna collapse for real, bro! just wait until they get pushed back across ukraine!
I fricking hate Ziggers and hope to God them and their /misc/ shills suffer a stiff dose of reality, yet this constant shit about "RUSSIA'S GONNA COLLAPSE SOON, TRUST ME BRO" is getting old and completely separated from reality. Putin still has options, he's going to throw his military leaders under the bus if he decides to take the L (which is highly unlikely). And the war won't just end when Russian Forces are driven out of Ukraine (not including Crimea, sorry NAFO troons & Non-credible defense tourists). They're gonna collect themselves and try again because, to their mind, they lost those "Russian territories" and will want them back, and will continue to throw men at Ukraine until something breaks. And if they lose Crimea, the Russians will be eager to go to war for that. Kherson and Zaporizhzhia are expendable, Donetsk and Luhansk are tragedies, but Crimea's the rallying call to send more men, preferably Moscow & St. Petersburg cucks, to go fight and die.
I know my father. Does that count as being white, o' wise anon?
>not including Crimea, sorry NAFO troons & Non-credible defense tourists
Why do you homosexuals always out yourself?
I mean, I wanna see Crimea back under Ukraine. At the same time, it's going to be the last obstacle and will require more force to take, leaving whatever territory taken back along the border with Russia open for an offensive. I will gladly eat my words if I'm proven wrong.
Also >>nafo troons & non-credible defense tourists
They're more often than not cringe. To deny they're not here is blindsided, to say they've taken over /k/ is /misc/ vatBlack person cope
Anyone who uses reddit, telegram, or my beloved chan as a source is a bigger godamned moron than can be adequately expressed within the confines of the english language.
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The world would be a better placed if this shithole closed like today.
1 year ago
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the combatfootage reddit is pretty handy to use. They close most post s after a few replies and with old.reddit.com you can quickly browse sorting from new to old to check out new footage.
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frick off vatBlack person strawman c**t plebbit posting spastic putin anus licking dipshit.
>russians get pushed back across the border into ukraine >"oh damn, guess we lost the war and can't do anything about it now, video game rules are in effect"
Yeah, they'll try another disastrous invasion. Perhaps with a tinge more success, but given they're ziggers, it probably will just be Bakhmut 2: Muscovi Meatgrinder Boogaloo
Then that would also be the point that when they get inevitably beaten back again where Ukraine will just grab the Russian border regions. Both as a buffer for the NEXT attempt at invasion as well as being able to "give" Putin something in negotiations for peace... "stop the war and you can have some of it back. Every time you say no what you can get back is less than before!"
>Russia collaps just NOT gonna happen bro >nope, not uh, nevah, Evah
Why? Explain your reasoning, or are you just here impotently squealing because its more likely than you want us to think
>And if they lose Crimea, the Russians will be eager to go to war for that.
what the frick do you think russians are right now
if they lose crimea it's not like they're gonna be capable of raising the eyebrow anymore
I haven’t been paying attention but this is the first time I’ve seen someone, even a mark milly tier figure, state their worry about russias immanent (tm) collapse.
Tons of memeing about China/Japan taking back the East, but not this.
Tldr btw
It's certainly unlikely but it's something the higher-ups should think about. Nobody really expected the Soviet Union to collapse, and when it happened, nobody had a clear idea on what to do.
youre a vatnik but youre probably right about some things. I doubt the two more weeks russia's gonna collapse anymore than when people say it about any other nation (especially the US). I also doubt Crimea falling but were it to it would act much more as a rallying cry than anything else
>youre probably right about some things
And I will gladly eat my frickin' words if I'm horribly wrong. VatBlack folk are cancer and while I may come off as such with some non-approved takes, at the end of the day, I hate Russia with a passion and love the fact that the country they're fighting and have been losing to was the same one they've exploited for the past 4 centuries.
>And if they lose Crimea, the Russians will be eager to go to war for that
But they're already at war.
They are, I'm not saying it wasn't a war. But Russians will soon drop the SMO euphemism for "WAR" proper if the AFU land in Crimea. And that will be a good thing because then the sissy Zigger men in Moscow and St. Petersburg will be up for drafting, and either they flee like rats or go off to die.
Absence of government breeds chaos, chaos breeds criminals and terrorists. Look at Middle East or Afghanistan for an easy example.
Now imagine if those terrorists live within driving distance of a freshly abandoned military base, munitions warehouse or a nuclear silo
No country under any circumstances should ever willingly surrender nuclear armaments. Doing so is forever damming your country and it's people to being a fricking punching bag for those with nuclear weapons. Fricking detonate them in their silos and force your population upon the world as radioactive refuges if anyone ever demands that. This whole shit show never would have happened if Ukraine had kept her nukes. In addition offlining nuclear power planets is literally the worst fricking thing you can do for you frickers and your green energy bullshit. There is literally no better way to generate power.
This. >This whole shit show never would have happened if Ukraine had kept her nukes.
Exactly.
And who back then told ukies it was fine and nothing would happen? Well russians for starters yes, but also americans.
Really makes you think.
>Fricking detonate them in their silos and force your population upon the world as radioactive refuges if anyone ever demands that.
is Putin a bad enough dude to make an epic ace combat zero reference?
>your population upon the world as radioactive refuges
The problem with your cunning plan is that ionising radiation would kill most of teh Russian population before they were able to walk out of Russia or would weaken them too much to do so. However its certainly the degree of moronic cruel stupid savagery that would be expected of Russia. There is no choice here, Russias nuclear arsenal is currently inoperable and Russia is not being asked nicely. Right now Russias toys are being taken away because its leaders are moronic spastics. They are not getting to keep their nukes either. Count on it. Russia has been a curse to mankind for 100 years. It is over.
CIA has been preparing for this for decades. Wouldn't be surprised if they already had the tentative agreements with people who will be able to sell those nukes.
>Russia. after getting rekt after an incompetent performance in an ill-advised war, is on the brink of collapse >A political dissident living in the west is shipped back to form a new, more liberal government >First as tragedy, then as farce.
I'm telling you, it can't happen any other way. The weight of history is too strong.
>Watch 'em run amuck >Catch 'em as they fall >Never know your luck >When there's a free for all >Here a little dip >There a little touch >Most of them are goners >So they won't miss much
(Two weeks more)
See pajeet, here in white, democratic countries we have a thing called "freedom of speech". You see, here normal people (yes, even you!) can disagree with the governament, and its policies aren't the only ones allowed.
Now go back to sucking Modi's brown wiener whatever his name is.
kek, for those not aware what these establishments are:
kebab is really popular in Poland, especially in the working class. a few years ago some far right nationalists (from the fringe parties with close ties to Russia) got butthurt that their favourite food is en large made by browns of different kinds, and opened a few joints usually called some variation of "Real Kebab Made By Real Poles", and coupled it with some minor vandalism acts against the brown owned kebab places.
As we like to say, Poland is a state of mind.
True worldwide peace will never be achieved until the lasr Russian is strangled with the entrails of the last Chinese. The balkanization of Russia and China should be the goal of the West and their allies.
Vienna conference you mean. All of Russias neighbours should attend and they should all get a fixed percentage and then everyone can debate which minorities are their people and draw decent borders. Russia is over. The world does not need its collapse causing more murder to decent peoples.
Russia's collapse should be encouraged. A large border fence should be built on the NATO border, after diplomatically annexing Belarus and Ukraine into the alliance caging them into the apocalyptic prison cell to suffer for another 100 years.
Modern Western World does not have the balls to do anything from this list.
Can you imagine if the Americans, French and Anglos was pussyfooting around Germans the way they do now with Russia?
8 years of the Phony war in Donbass and were pissing their pants a year ago in Feb and March, pathetic. >Not the heckin rooskies, dem good boys! not the Pushkerinos and Dostoevskis!
>Can you imagine if the Americans, French and Anglos was pussyfooting around Germans the way they do now with Russia?
I mean, England, France and America specifically denied the Netherlands' request to annex parts of Germany's northwest, to avoid the streams of refugees into the rest of the German territory and the whole mess that would cause - mostly because they saw what was happening to (then) East Germany and Poland.
Displacing a population has never not lead to a bunch of problems.
it is simple anon. Germany was right next to them and in their face. Vatnikstan hordes are far, out of sight, out of mind. You saw them changing their tunes immediately when the monster they bailed out in WW2 ended up breathing down their necks with their east euro slave "allies" during the cold war
imo the only way this can end without absolute mayhem is when the russian government will accept surrender on the conditions of return to pre-2014 borders with UN-governed referendum in crimea for joining RU or UA and supervision of all nuclear weapons by UN (i.e. joint US/CN staff on site all the time). Anything other will result in civil war in RU with warlords swinging icbm's around. This is only acceptable to RU if the RU-army is destroyed which will by the looks of it take another 2 years. So 2 years for diplomacy to work and fingers crossed some sensible gents will take control of RU (not very likely, i admit)
It's going to be a god damned shame. The free world was still free in the 80's when they collapsed the first time. Now the nations restructuring Russia will be doing it with totalitarianism as the goal.
Gonna need to set up extra chairs and stock up on snacks in the briefing room. Shit's gonna be fricking fire, like watching a Thunderdome deathmatch between the freakshow casts of multiple TLC series.
I will have some 30000 euros in savings by then. What bussiness should I start in a russian successor state? I was thinking hypermarket chain split between me and some friends (we could get 200000 euros between us) implementing franchise model. Or ISP. But I think I am too poor to become a new oligarch. At least I am learning russian to take advantage of the chaos.
I would need some funs and bodyguards to pacify the drunken natives. I know some economic shock moves that were done in the 90's, perhaps I could cheapo buy small depots or workshops and make more money scrapping them. How could I get AKs from Kalmykia to Somaliland hmm...
You idiots don't see that this "Ukriane war" is exactly a contonuation of USSR collapse.
also - karabakh, abkhazia/ossetia, transnitria wars - its all a reminiscence of USSR
USSR collapse didnt "happen" in 1991 - its still happeneing right now.
Looked up the guy, apparently he's the real deal, ex foreign legion etc Also wrote books about military tactics that are like sacred for officers. If he says this, that means he knows something is brewing, and it will be glorious
>Russian government collapses >Fly planes over Russia spraying aerosolized Antabuse over the entire population >Entire Russian population dies from vomitting and seizures >"woah Alaska was bigger than we previously thought"
Nothing in the geneva conventions about weaponized sobriety.
Experts said they've already collapsed back in April last year. And they also ran out of ammo. And missiles. And Pootin got cancer. And Parkinson's. And he's already dead. But he lost his left testicle before he died. And he shat himself post portem.
>Sadly the scum in the UN do not recognise Siberians as having the right to self determination.
Considering their oil reserves, Dubai with snow would be pretty kino. I fricking hate deserts.
[...] >Voluntary collectivization is based and peasant pilled
you are sickeningly stupid. I can tell you are the child of some sort of utterly worthless civil servant from here
Black folks, pre-bolshevik Russian agriculture was basically built on volutary collectivisation: peasant communes that assigned pieces of land to families, not individuals. This was viable in preindustrial conditions and resulted in surplus of food, that in turn resulted in Russian demographic explosion in XIXth century and enabled the emergence of urban workers class. I advise you to read pic rel, it describes in detail the organization of Russian society before revolution. Russia was always collectivist, it had nothing to do with communism before 1918.
>Voluntary collectivization is based and peasant pilled
you are sickeningly stupid. I can tell you are the child of some sort of utterly worthless civil servant from here
>secure nuclear weapons >secretly support the many splinter groups that form after russia's collapse, specifically ones that have a grudge against china >accidentally "lose" some nuclear missiles which end up in the hands of anti-china splinter groups >act shocked when said groups proceed to nuke china >china has no way to respond as they didn't get attacked by another nation but by a bunch of terrorists that have no central command
It's a fricking brilliant way to screw over China without risking getting nuked in return. You're welcome glowBlack folk, be sure to give me credit in the history books.
Russia collapsing and balkanizing has been a nightmare scenario for NATO for decades. All that military equipment and nukes in different hands ensures a large scale conflict
>All that military equipment
Well, thankfully that is getting spend in Ukraine. What remains is not much of a worry for anyone else than russians themselves. >nukes in different hands
Nukes themselves are not much of a problem. Russian nukes are in relatively well known locations and easy to track, so easy enough to secure. The biggest risk in that regard is russian nuclear submarine deciding to go rogue.
Its the fissile material that could be dangerous as that could end up being smuggled somewhere in chaos.
>The biggest risk in that regard is russian nuclear submarine deciding to go rogue.
No, the biggest risk is one of the dozen or so nations that would now have nukes deciding they're going to start selling them, or they get into a territorial dispute with its new neighbors and starts lobbing them wherever they want. This is the reason why the US and western Europe pumped money into Russia throughout the 90s and kept trying to prop up Yeltsin.
I can see Kaliningrad splitting away as a Baltic Republic in the next 10 years if someone ambitious gets into power there, but Russia will probably retain territorial integrity apart from that, just with more autonomy for the regions. Theres no power base to build an independent state from and the areas with large non-russian racial groups are too dilute and russified to be a basis for separate nation to form.
I do like the idea of a Russian speaking self Konigsberg pissing off the germans as they LARP as modern day Prussians.
is everyone on /k/ a bot? or some sort of brain damaged zogbot mongrel? >twitter screencap thread >IT'S HAPPENING GUISE11!!1 LOOK AT THE SCREENCAP MAN SAID THING! MUST BE REAL YOU GUISE LOOK!
what happened to this place? just go leave
Carefully map out which regions and territories to recognize as independent, sovereign nations. Immediately recognize them when they declare independence, immediately ship in vast amounts of support to ensure their success.
If russias natural resources were to be divided among the population for a second time, I really wonder if Olga (79) would know her stocks worth this time around.
>1. Have civil society organizations ready to take to the streets when Putin dies or is couped.
If I were a potential successor to Putin the first thing I'd do is seize control and do a Belka along the border of Ukraine and Poland. Make the US and NATO shit themselves so hard the CIA and Co. are ordered to cease all operations, buying me time to cull their operatives.
i would just shake hands with the western devil to avoid being annexed by china and fricked in the ass on two fronts
>ran from your conscription call to war threat
they are the citizens of baltic coyntries you dummy
so citizens they're almost allowed to vote fresh off the boat, they're refugees and no matter how many you smuggled in with them they won't be democratically taking over anything in time for putins regime to prolong the war
Are you really thinking russian military invade NATO country?
not likely, even putin knows that's a game of chicken that no one wants, even if he gave the order he would just drag the entire nato military coalition into defensive war vs russia and would frick up for good triggering m.a.d at worst and two front war at best against their former ally who is not going to war with nato over some baltic shithole
nah that's what common sense says, do you really think china wants to start a war in the baltic front just because their ally wanted some nearly worthless land? if they're going to war alongside russia they will pick a slightly more valuable target and maybe try to tickle turkey's anus to get them to flip on the western powers and switch side
they will most definitely not be supporting some balcan invasion intro into war with nato, they would most likely do a first strike to some key chokepoints near their major ports and tell russia to pick a more militarily important target like US west coast, alaska or tell them to blockade baltic sea and go snipe ship convoys that try to reinforce the blockade on china with submarines
>i would just shake hands with the western devil to avoid being annexed by china and fricked in the ass on two fronts
If you attempt to bridge things, you end up in the position of Ukraine where they operate freely and start drawing up plans about which brain-addled popular celebrity is going to replace you to act as a puppet governor.
>if you collaborate with west you will just be replaced by a puppet
like turkey? do you mean like the turkish ruler that is completely being replaced or do you mean the neutral india that is totally being replaced?
you just have to have either a unstable enough government or totalitarian enough regime to avoid west from slipping in with election puppets, unfortunately for EU countries they went into the bullshit with arms wide open and their politicians were already high on the koolaid of globo homosexual world government
It's a two part problem. Even if you remain in power, if you deescalate in Ukraine, Ukraine ends up as an Afghanistan on your central border that is emboldened by the "victory". You can't really allow them to continue to exist if you plan to pull out. The tensions between the nations and the artificial animosities between the people have been stoked too high. It's a geopolitical malignancy. There is no geopolitically tenable situation for Russia where Russia just backs down unless it comes in the form of a unified revolution across both Ukraine and Russia with the result being a united country with a new common bond. Which then spreads across other countries . 1917 all over again. Which won't be allowed by anyone.
1 year ago
Anonymous
or you could you know, sell it as a shift in power and be pro west on TV and spout all that good shit about liberty while actually being turkey tier ruling family totalitarian who will allow people liberties but won't give them full on democracy while you wrangle in the oligarchs and the keys to power in your country with ironfist purge for being "pro-putin" before west can step in to meddle with that, that could work and after that you just show peace sign and be the new gorbatsov (except be competent and only do that as a front until you can solidify power)
the western powers don't really care who actually rules the country as long as they know that you're not against them openly, after that you can just box in china and use the new fake pro west victory in the country as your calling card while everyone who opposes you is a pro-putin loyalist trying to reinstall him back to power, how awful must be violently suppressed or shipped away to prison
if you can't keep your country under your thumb after a change in power you suck at ruling
1 year ago
Anonymous
>There is no geopolitically tenable situation for Russia where Russia just backs down unless it comes in the form of a unified revolution across both Ukraine and Russia with the result being a united country with a new common bond. Which then spreads across other countries . 1917 all over again. Which won't be allowed by anyone.
Though, I will note, if Russia collapses, then it's possible this is how it collapses. An ideological lysis. The contamination of all English speaking countries where existing communist-themed leftist elements are given enough crack where it emboldens them to act.
I really wish we had own sovereign state independent from Moscow, but I understand that it's impossible and the "Siberian Federation" like that would sadly never be a viable and sustained formation.
1. They have to make sure that Russia's nukes don't get sold off to the highest bidder by the oligarchs and high-ranking military officials.
2. Prevent China from annexing parts of Eastern and Central Russia.
3. Prevent and mitigate chaos as warlords try to seize power.
4. Help set up a new government that isn't anti-West.
It means NATO will have to pick between trying to keep Russia's existing government structures afloat through some periods that are gonna make the 90s in Russia look like Japan in the middle of their tech boom, or trying to keep a bunch of moronic balkanized sub states from using or losing their newfound nuclear stockpiles. CIA should have started recruiting around the clock last year either way.
idk about butthurt belt fantazies of "russia collapse" lol
dudes never opened a geography book
there is NO reason for dagestan or tatarstan or sibera to establish yet another borders. all these republics are part of russia, and otherwise they would be enclave'd
world is moving towards globalization and less borders
(getting land bridge to baltics from moscow is a real deal)
>idk about butthurt belt fantazies of "russia collapse" lol
Idk why russia has butthurt belt about baltic states, but I don't really care since russland is going to collapse any time soon
Russians gonna rule Baltic very soon. They are proper citizens, but they are loyal to Russia, not to NATO, and their kids are will flood Baltic police, army and goverments. Soft take over, let's call it so.
I don't know about your mechanisms of coping, but I'm telling you about the demographic shift in Baltic states. Russians aren't leaving, they're not even segregating, but gaining social power.
Lmao
Lithuania is 5% Russian and most of our expats are Russians. You Black folk are literally overrepresented group in emigration. Hell, 70% of crimes done abroad by "Lithuanian" are by Russian emigrants.
You're Black folk, and even 5% that is still here are poor Black person earning minimum wage, contributing only to aids rate and crime rate, and have literally 0 political power.
We beat up Russian ambassadors on the street and perpetrators get away with a small fine for public disturbance.
>russians will tkae over baltic very soon
didn't you guys already rule over baltic and everyone there looks at that time as badly as the parts of south eastern europe that were under ussr rule
i don't think anyone is missing russia leadership with golded nostalgia anon, finland did way better than estonia and they are salty about ussr fricking them over with occupation to this day, any positive memories under russian rule died with the tzar
>i-it's democratic takeover!
good luck annexing a nato member, no one is going to buy your refugees turned pillars of community "democratic" takeover, the only reason there are so many russians there is because they ran from your conscription call to war threat
Yes they love Russia so much they spent all summer blowing up Russian monuments just to trigger Russia.
they love russia so much they ran from a call to arms to fight for the noble cause of annexing ukraine
1 year ago
Anonymous
>ran from your conscription call to war threat
they are the citizens of baltic coyntries you dummy
>demographics
local vatnik colony birth rates are in the strong negative while local populations are stable or rising. Further cancelled out by the hostile toward them local ukranian and belarussian colonies.
You are a idiot, specially when you think they will let the fleeing ziggers have citizenship or any say in local administration/politics. Most of the migrant ziggers want germany anyway like their brothas from africa. Only way russia gets any say in the baltic state internal affairs if it occupies them and genocides them wholesale while replacing them with siberian churkas
hell it is more likely that the war is near taiwan and the island blockades than in baltics, russia is kind of the smaller partner in the eastern alliance and would pretty much have to do what china tells them if they plan to win vs nato, most likely scenario is that the intro would be breaking the island blockade on china from both sides followed up by bombardment or invasion of japan and a push towards india trying to quickly take out the powers near china and russian borders before west gets off their asses and mobilizes for the war, they might try to do some game of chicken with nukes at the intro but both sides know that won't happen it would just be to buy time so they can take care of india and japan, when they have the nearby sea under control and their borders secured they would probably focus on defending land borders and taking out US fast and clean before they can call in any allies, turkey would flip sides immediately when they see the initial success like the opportunist turncoats they are, israel would scramble to secure their own borders for middle-eastern opportunist attack while crying to all their allies for help without giving a shit about the global theater
EU would take forever to mobilize because they would be caught with their pants down and would probably just play the border waiting game letting their strongest ally get fricked while canada and australia + UK would most likely try to help US, french and germany would be too inefficient to do anything outside defense out of fear of war on the european front and china and russia would gang bang US and the posse to the ground because their strongest deterrance is nuclear mutual assured destruction and the island blockade on china
west has been a coalition paper dragon for ages, if the blockade falls and nukes don't fly they're fricked
you could even collaborate with putin behind the scene and make use of his old network while keeping him as a power player behind the scenes, all that really matters is that the war ends, west thinks they won and you can solidify power and shake hands with western powers to ensure you don't get fricked by your own "ally"
if you play your cards right even if the power switches back to putin you'll still be in the inner circle for keeping him around and solving the issue
>i-i need assurances
and that's why you won't be in power, you won't solve to ukraine situation and you will never get out from under china, the russia-west relations were good prior to ukraine the shift to russia being a part of the western powers vs china was already in the works but the ukraine war threw a wrench into that
all they need is a openly "pro west" guy to talk that good shit about freedom in tv and to box in china from russia, if you think nato is bending over backwards for turkey you have no idea how much honey they would jizz if they could landlock china and they would sure as hell try to stay on nice terms with whoever pro west person would help them, and like i said putin could still be useful for that behind the scenes you just need the pro west stooge to be the front man like presidents are in the west
>Won't happen unless Russia welcomed to NATO and Ukraine/Finland/Georgia/Baltics are kicked out.
That some heavy duty fantasies. >There have to be a some kind of buffer.
Why? After puzzia kicked out of Ukraine it will be accepted to NATO.
>WE ARE GOING TO NUKE YOU >WE ARE GOING TO NUKE YOU >WE ARE GOING TO NUKE YOU >wooooooooooow... what are you preparing for???
Kill them, before they kill you.
gotta swoop in and get the nukes
also peacekeeping i guess
I'd agree with removing all nukes, but peacekeeping? No, Somalia or Mali failed, no need to repeat the mistake, this time with snow.
Peacekeeping is how you break up Russia - see: Yugoslavia.
yugoslavia broke up because it was comprised of 3 distinct groups that never got over their differences, and because they ran out of money.
Tito was a gigachad but he let certain problems grow and fester while he basically just held the nation together with nothing but charisma and telling Stalin (and his assassins) to frick off.
Russia has way more distinct groups than Yugoslavia. But you're right in that Russia holds them together via centralisation.
yes but how many of them are backstabbing serbians or the equivalent?
(the answer is all of them)
All the semi-autonomous republics and areas with large Muslim populations.
Russia is far too large. Internal division then cutting deals with the victors ensures you deal with the actual winners rather than ineptly attempting to pick them.
no it is fricking not. Vatniks have less meat then Bangladesh, a economy smaller then italy, economic model mimicking african resource colonies with respective development indexes accompanying that. It just looks big on the map since it has a lot of Alaska style wilderness.
It is smallish medium by african-asian nation standards. Its break up would just produce a a bunch of new churkastans like the central asia states. Nooks are no hindrance aside from some short term setbacks. Some of them went missing in the 90s and the world did not end because guess what, the biggest parties that were buying them were other state actors seeking reverse engineering know how.
Source & date on that map?
Russians generally regard themselves as a united people who have the understanding that the individual parts of their country would be substantially weaker than even the current state of things. There are not ethnic tensions between St Petersburg and Vladivostok that will boil over into genocide.
Meanwhile Yugoslavia was composed of multiple groups who had been feuding in varying capacities for all their known histories and had been trying to wipe each other off the face of the Earth as recently as the 40s. Serbs were the only ones pushing for a united Yugoslavia in the 90s and that was under the pretense that they run the place.
Wrong. I would cut muscovite and st petersburger throats and throw them off cliffs.
t. Central Urals cave dweller
Russia is not a monoculture. Moscow & St. Petersburg are their equivalents of New York & San Francisco.
St Petersburg and San Francisco comparison is apt. But Moscow doesn't really even have an analog in the Western world. It's a gigantic, super rich, super developed city in the middle of what is essentially an economic wasteland. It has all important railways and roads run towards it. Muscovites don't consider themselves to be peers of the rest of russians. They have jokes like "I wonder if there's intelligent life outside of Moscow", and there's an entire culture of unbelievable arrogance and pride. The Muscovites themselves are stratified heavily, since the country's elites reside there. There are places where a "commoner" can't go.
What Moscow needs is a few nuclear blasts straight to its rotten core.
>super rich, super developed city
Only compared to the regions surrounding Moscow such as Tver or Ivanovo. In comparison with developed countries (even with Estonia or Poland, i'm not speaking of Germany or the US) Moscow is poor as frick.
>Russians generally regard themselves as a united people
I feel affiliated much more to my native region than to the country in general. Apart from language I barely have anything in common with the people living in Moscow, Petersburg, Syktyvkar or Makhachkala.
Gotta let Finland and Poland have some fun.
>mali and somalia
Mali is because the government didn't want them there. Somalia wasn't a full on peace keeping operation aside from maintaining a stable trading route and suppressing terror groups.
Just arm the Ukrainians to the teeth and declare all of Russia a free-fire zone. If the Russians are that hellbent on bringing back the Eastern Front, I see no reason why we shouldn't bring back Bandenbekämpfung to deal with them.
Kievan Rus will rise again.
Yes.
But they’re doing that right now? Why isn’t it working?
russians like the boot
russians only understand the boot
boot is good
boot is life
do you want a refugee crisis cus that's how you get one. Doing nothing about shit going bad next to you.
Peacekeeping in Russia is only possible if a lot of Western countries would suddenly be comfortable with deploying huge segments of their military for a prolonged period of time.
>but peacekeeping?
The only way to turn the russian mongols into productive people would be to buck break them completely, post-ww2 germany style
whether it's worth it is questionable. by the time it would've been done and they sort of integrated with yurop we'll long be made obsolete by AGI
If the west doesn't do peacekeeping in Russia then China will. I'm sorry to disappoint you, but if the Russian state collapses there won't be a century of dabbing and humiliation on them by NATO, it'll be a post-WW2 scenario where nu-Russia will be propped up against China
Russia collapsing means Yugoslavia 2.0 but with nukes and leaky drums of nerve gas.
>I'd agree with removing all nukes, but peacekeeping? No, Somalia or Mali failed, no need to repeat the mistake, this time with snow.
This. These bastards threatened the world with Lenin, Stain, Putin, Marxist-Leninist KGB torture and nuclear Armageddon. Frick them. No nation building, no reconstruction , no peace keeping any sign of advanced offensive weaponry or industry zap it from orbit or with long range drone bombers. No UN no medicines nothing. No9 refugees. Show them the same mercy they showed the Ukrainians
>gotta swoop in and get the nukes
This. The oligarchs are gonna sell those fricking things off to anyone that's paying. Iran, NK, Saudis, who knows.
But America can pay more. If you don't think there's 3 CIA glowies at every nuke "auction" you're being ignorant on purpose.
Make no mistake Anon, the Oligarchs may send their kids here, buy our luxury goods, and have plans to escape here.. but they do genuinely hate the West, and the only thing that exceeds a russian's greed is his pettiness, they'll sell to lower bids if it means giving us problems.
Peacekeeping? No more forever wars. Get the nukes and safely disable and study them, then let God sort them out.
Phase 1: Tightly coordinated surgical strikes disable all nuclear strike capability within Russia.
Phase 2: The entire US bomber squadron sweeps Russian airspace and begin dropping massive shipments of assault rifles and explosives.
Phase 3: The planes frick off and the ruscists are simply left starving on their own in a rotting shithole of their own making. Vatnik Battle Royale begins and is broadcast internationally live by drone feed.
I'd like that outcome very much.
I too spout nonsense when i don't have arguments and yet have to deal with my brown skinned heritage.
They will die naturally when their Russian cum deliveries stop.
>Russian Civil War 2 Electric Boogaloo
>Boomer Neo-Bolsheviks
>Muslim radicals putting big booby slav bawds in burqas
>Oligarchs forming neo-feudalistic states
>China trying to set up puppet states in Siberia only for them to get toppled by the US
And the looting! Got to grab all the resources before china does.
>Secure nuclear weapons
>Move in to ensure China doesn't eat up half of Russia
>Protect the splinter states that emerge
>Back the "legitimate" Russian government that emerges
>Move in to ensure China doesn't eat up half of Russia
Not a problem. Only China has the manning to govern otherwise ungovernable areas.
A Chinese Siberia will make Uyghur camps look like Six flags in June.
Shame it's the best solution.
>Enemy gets what it wants and becomes stronger
>not a problem
Yeah nah, I don't want to see the Chinese empty lake Baikal in a horrifically inefficient way just to get some water to their ridiculously overpopulated (by water stress) dry north.
Very true. I don't want the nerpas to go extinct. Give it to Mongolia or something.
>Back the "legitimate" Russian government that emerges
It took us 100 years to finally finish this abomination and you want it to rise up again? Whatever states emerge from Russia not a single one of them should have more than 20-30 mil people in it. It's highly preferable that they go through bloody civil wars first so that those splinter states really ducking hate each other.
So that there aren't a dozen Warlord states with rogue nuclear weapons
It kinda worked with Germany, though there the allies had the benefit of occupation
Germany has only briefly been a nation making it easy to reformat.
Russian culture is an ontological cultural enemy of civilization. There is no comparison. Russia methodically erased and erases its intelligentsia, not just opposing intelligentsia. Russia is what happens when organized crime is the entire society. All prey on all and the loser gets raped which the winners find droll sport and post on video.
Fortunately that's not great for building military professionalism.
>an ontological cultural enemy of civilization. There is no comparison. Russia methodically erased and erases its intelligentsia, not just opposing intelligentsia.
Yes, that would be a bad thing.
Russia already erased its intelligentsia and middle class under Lenin and Stalin. Yes there was a middle class, in fact Lenin was a fairly typical example. Lenin killed them all. Then stalin came and killed anyone who was not a murderer or alcoholic dross then just in time putin and his prison gang of poisoners came and killed any grand children that survived. Russia is just a cargo cul;t for stalin at this stage. Switch it off. I don;t get it at all because with ww2 primitive cargo cults who worshipped americans bringing ice cream and electricity you can kind of get it but stalin was a sadistic mass murderer Beria was a insane serial killer who was addicted to rape murders.
Go and watch this, it was made by a Russia and filmed at the kremlin in the brief window of honesty after communism collapsed and before the kgb crime gang murdered their way back
>Beria was a insane serial killer who was addicted to rape murders.
I remember when the Tunisian embassy that now occupies his mansion started doing groundwork in the former rose garden. Cant remember how many bones belonging to young females they dug up from there. Even Stalin warned his daughter to stay away from him
> Vitaly's Gardening Services & Fire Support, how may I help you?
>Lenin killed the middle class
There wasn’t really one outside of Saint Petersburg. One of the objectives of the NEP was to actually develop a middle class across the country. This was considered necessary so that communism could be achieved. The Tsarist Russian economy was an absolute clusterfrick to the point that Stalinist communism was a genuine improvement in several areas.
>but what about collectivization
A good idea in the central Russian heartlands where peasant agriculture was inefficient, backwards, and often resulted in low yields and hardly any surplus. It substantially improved the situation there. Anywhere without the Russian serfdom model of agriculture though? It was a fricking disaster that cut productivity. Tsarist Russia also suffered from famines on the regular, the Soviets just repeated their mistakes.
>>but what about collectivization
>A good idea
My God, there is someone as stupid as (you) alive today
>There wasn’t really one outside of Saint Petersburg.
He likely meant the tsarist ones - dvorians (hereditary nobility) and chinovniks (members of civil administration) that spawned the intelligentsia, member of which was Lenin. Paradoxically it was the marxism afflicted Intelligentsia that organized bolshevik revolution and then basically suicided themselves during purges leaving the nation as a victim of completely amoral post-revolutionary bureaucrats and security functionaries that came from ethnic minorities and underclass.
>The Tsarist Russian economy was an absolute clusterfrick to the point that Stalinist communism was a genuine improvement in several areas.
Under reforms passed throughout the latter 19th century Russian GDP was growing by double digits annually, there was intense urbanization and expansion of education and loads of infrastructure was being built; before being derailed by WWI and then gommunism they were going to be peer or near-peer with much of Europe by the 1950s and considering that the middle ages in Russia basically lasted until the 19th century that's nothing to sneeze at. Stalin mostly oversaw a marginal correction of the god-fricking-awful mess that the early Bolshevik governments made of things but progress remained almost entirely derailed.
lol, tell me you learned hisotry by some shallow western default and overexaggerated "hisotry review" and twitter memes without telling me so
its much more complicated that "le all good creme de la creme migrated and russia became dark grey shithole" kek
Acutally, 20s were harsh(civil war, sanctions, tumoils) but 30s, 40s and 50s are the years of bulding a foundation of prosperoty(60s and 70s lived on the 1930-50s educational system legacy) and a time of rapid economc growth. The life of ordinary Soviet citizens drastically improved when commies seized a power and "creme de la creme" leaved the country.
>Beria was a insane serial killer who was addicted to rape murders.
He was indeed a Georgian pervert in his day to day life stance, but the stories of "rape murders" are just a product of his post-execution defamation.
tell me sweetie, how did Russia (forma el communista) industrialise?
Through harsh economic(thus, social too) measures aka NEP.
Russia and China are both NATO's, Albrtight's, Bzezshinskiy's and so on enemies. Won't happen.
then out culture war the west and beat them at their own game already
>Through harsh economic(thus, social too) measures aka NEP.
wrong! through enslaving kazakh and ukrainian sneeders and selling their own grain to the West for factory imports and know-how
>So that there aren't a dozen Warlord states with rogue nuclear weapons
The strategic thinking has shifted. Putler has been threatening to nuke everyone for a year. Having 7 different warlords with nukes would not be worse, it would be an improvement.
Frick no. 7 morons with access to nukes is much worse than just one.
>It's highly preferable that they go through bloody civil wars first so that those splinter states really fricking hate each other.
Now that's the kind of Glowie chatter I like to hear.
Unsuspecting Sophie has the Mark of Khorne, go figure.
>It's highly preferable that they go through bloody civil wars first so that those splinter states really ducking hate each other.
Thats pretty good: simple and self-limits their growth.
They have nukes. Imagine a civil war with nukes.
>Move in to ensure China doesn't eat up half of Russia
Its really cute if NATO thinks it can move faster than China in claiming the east when 1) many Chang garrisons are in teh Northern border, including the all important Northern Military Region and 2), all the important Eastern Russian cities are close to the Chinese border.
This is the China Russia border in Inner Mongolia (which is considered a sparsely populated section of China). If Russia folds the changs have enough roads and airports and rails nearby to make a quick grab of the east.
It's not about occupying it before them. It's about getting enough international recognition of borders of whatever would take Russia's place.
Doesn't really mean jack if Russia gets balkanized and China becomes naturally and legitimately worried about chaos in their frontier.
>>Move in to ensure China doesn't eat up half of Russia
The reality is that Chinx are pussies, they won't make a move beyond sending a few recon units to their border with Pussia, like they do in the border with India.
Both Sino-Soviet shitholes are propped up by 5th column perfidy, but their Potemkin Village societies still managed to release Coof and play stupid about it. Even if it was a frickup release, they activated offensive contingency plans that are functionally equivalent to a first bioweapon strike. So even if they aren't or weren't planning on moving on those designs, they're verrrrry nervous - and ought to be, because they're guilty as sin and have the blood millions on their hands
>Back the "legitimate" Russian government that emerges
Gorbachev and Yeltsin tried getting on the west's good side, it didn't work in either case
???
Russia was bailed out in the 90s from complete bankruptcy. How was that not a move of goodwill?
Worked for Poland, Czechia, Slovakia, Hungary, Estonia, etc
Try acting normal for 40 years (a lifetime in Somalia with snow)
>Russia becomes divided like Germany back in the Cold War
Round 2 boyos!
Equal and opposite sabre rattling that all but says "Yea your first strike antics are cute, please try it homosexuals."
>Move in to ensure China doesn't eat up half of Russia
BIGLY
Oh no frick no straight up balkanazacion of russia is the only way to keep that shitshow from starting agian
what do russians even want? apart from political orgs, activists, social media youth and opposition politicians, I never see or hear adult russians communicate anything other than edgy doomer drivel or romanization of stalinism
Russia is a nation without an ideology.
When your government, media, and even religion are run by kleptocrats who're only out for themselves at your expense the only thing left is apathy.
The Russian population is largely apolitical. They want their alcohol and to be left alone.
thats just defeatist self-preservation, I dont believe them for a second. They obviously do have an opinion on how they want their country to be.
>They obviously do have an opinion on how they want their country to be.
They do. That's why they support Putin. They want to see a strong Russia.
>They want to see a strong Russia.
Russia is weaker now than ever before.
Objectively yes, but not many people know that. They associate Putin and his propaganda with strength.
I dislike this meme. They are apolitical because they are afraid, and they drink because they're depressed and there's not much else to do.
Russia as it exists today is the end result of nihilism. The perfect place for an tyrant like Putin to set up shop.
empire
it was always and has always been about "the empire". A continuation of the russian and ussr one. A russian is NOT apolitical, they are imperialist. they dont care about living in poverty as long as they feel about being feared. For they equal fear with respect which is even codified in one of the many, many infamous saying they have. The direct tool for fear is violence and that is where the military comes in. For "if they dont fear us, we will kill them"
There is no empire without ukraine, its military industrial and agricultural heart. Belarus already is shadow occupied which will be formalized with official annexation in the coming years.
A Great Russia from Pacific Ocean to the Baltic Sea and salaries/wealth level of 2004-2011
Will we finally see the rise of mongolia?
it's fricking funny how on the same day we get threads like
>russia is winning look!
and
>gotta prepare for the inevitable collapse of russia
>russia is winning look!
Can I see them? Or do you mean "russia can be losing for 2 more years" by inceldrop.com?
i mean some schizo 'we advanced 5 meters and took some noname village, therefore we're winning' that pop up from time to time.
if kadyrov can be controlled by money from putin he can just as well be controlled by money from elsewhere, and i've heard elsewhere has a lot of them.
>incel
you have to back, ukreddit cancer
>russia is winning look!
Show these threads.
All banned for spamming kek. Because it's just one homosexual spamming it.
victory, at a cost
Hopefully there will be hall of cost for the russians
What's the rush? They've got two more weeks to prepare.
Got a keep the hopium flowing to minimize the attrition of those who they've groomed to do it for free. Every passing week 50% of nafo r*dditors don't come back
ok vatnik troony
yes I also of wonder why NATO need prepare
Black Cops Death Squads to go secure all CBRN facilities from the drunken hordes of illiterate monkeys sure to try don't apparate out of thin air, anon
imagine uncontrollable moron like kadyrov getting his own icbm silo in post-monke warlord russia
very French name, Yakovleff
>very French name, Yakovleff
His family are white russian that fled the commies and came to France. He tries to sound like a moderate with no biais but he's pretty anti russia and pro NATO.
Allegedly he's a very good officer, and he wrote some manual about tactics that is like the bible for officers or something.
the white émigré (russians who fled to france during the revolution) absolutely detest everything russia became after the civil war.
these russians btw were also the crème de la crème of russian cultural, academic and genetic lineage. russia managed to gain a few IQ points on average after they established their satellites in eastern europe but they never truly recovered from that brain drain back in the 1910’s.
>absolutely detest everything russia became after the civil war
lmao
they detest communism, sure, but they are still the same Russian Imperialists as the rest of them.
Are you Polish?
>I can see
On which basis? Are you a Kaliningrad Russia or just baseless wishful thinker from the UK?
>Kaliningrad Russian
Bogdanoff
Frenchier than you Muhamad. And actually nicer to the countries NATO operates in, with an emphasis on a doctrine limiting collateral damage.
Listen to the man talking in 2018 about the way NATO should conduct ground operations in the 21st century
He's a good general.
>wants to limit collateral damage
>wants politicians to actually have the balls to send boots on the grounds
Big respect for monsieur general
Cares more about the civilians than actual civilians (politicians) themselves
Yeah. No shilling, he's a good one.
Europe's a weird place. Emperor Franz Joseph was saved from an assassin by an Austrian nobleman named Count Maximilian Karl Lamoral **O'Donnell**. Or how the Chief of Staff of the Swedish Army in WW2 was a named Archibald Douglas. Wars of religion, anti-monarchist revolutions, and communism has led to a lot of emigres over the centuries.
Novgorod will want to join to protect against their former oppressors.
Because a nuclear state in a full collapse has always been a big fear for the U.S. during the fall of the soviet union, america didn't want russia to full collapse and insisted on keeping some of its territory to maintain stability.
Because it will be a huge fricking mess. Particularly, the CIA/etc will need to ensure Russia's nuclear weapons are accounted for and don't end up on the black market. Same shit as when the Soviet Union collapsed. A big fricking mess.
Reminder that the Soviet Union left booby trapped weapons caches around Europe, and according to persistent rumors, some of these included nuclear weapons: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molniya_(explosive_trap)
vatnik union could claim all it wanted. like its successor it too was full of shit. reality for NOOK observers going into the imploded union was finding unguarded launch sites with doors open and no guards. Much like ukranians are burning/exploding/droning rare airframes on airfields since the fence has rotted through and the mobniks guarding it are sleeping in the gate booth
The weapon caches are a documented fact, several were found. The cached nukes are just rumor though.
>The weapon caches are a documented fact
Is there a better source than Wikipedia?
Degradation of the uranium would render them useless after awhile maintaining Nuclear facilities is very very expensive.
What while? Isn't the half time of uranium measured in billions of years?
Weapons don't use ordinary uranium isotopes and many require plutonium. Many designs also use tritium fuses which have a relatively short half life.
>poccn gonna collapse for real, bro! just wait until they get pushed back across ukraine!
I fricking hate Ziggers and hope to God them and their /misc/ shills suffer a stiff dose of reality, yet this constant shit about "RUSSIA'S GONNA COLLAPSE SOON, TRUST ME BRO" is getting old and completely separated from reality. Putin still has options, he's going to throw his military leaders under the bus if he decides to take the L (which is highly unlikely). And the war won't just end when Russian Forces are driven out of Ukraine (not including Crimea, sorry NAFO troons & Non-credible defense tourists). They're gonna collect themselves and try again because, to their mind, they lost those "Russian territories" and will want them back, and will continue to throw men at Ukraine until something breaks. And if they lose Crimea, the Russians will be eager to go to war for that. Kherson and Zaporizhzhia are expendable, Donetsk and Luhansk are tragedies, but Crimea's the rallying call to send more men, preferably Moscow & St. Petersburg cucks, to go fight and die.
tl;dr Black person
I know my father. Does that count as being white, o' wise anon?
I mean, I wanna see Crimea back under Ukraine. At the same time, it's going to be the last obstacle and will require more force to take, leaving whatever territory taken back along the border with Russia open for an offensive. I will gladly eat my words if I'm proven wrong.
Also
>>nafo troons & non-credible defense tourists
They're more often than not cringe. To deny they're not here is blindsided, to say they've taken over /k/ is /misc/ vatBlack person cope
Crimea will be far easier to take than the donbas because Crimea can be logistically isolated from Russia quite easily.
>not including Crimea, sorry NAFO troons & Non-credible defense tourists
Why do you homosexuals always out yourself?
For the (You)s you stupid Redditor
Speaking of redditors.
Reddit's a good source for Ukrainian war crimes
Anyone who uses reddit, telegram, or my beloved chan as a source is a bigger godamned moron than can be adequately expressed within the confines of the english language.
The world would be a better placed if this shithole closed like today.
the combatfootage reddit is pretty handy to use. They close most post s after a few replies and with old.reddit.com you can quickly browse sorting from new to old to check out new footage.
frick off vatBlack person strawman c**t plebbit posting spastic putin anus licking dipshit.
vkontakte is also a top notch source for staged war crimes filmed by kacaps.
>get pushed back to russia proper
>"we'll just do it again!"
>"couldn't possibly fail this time!"
>russians get pushed back across the border into ukraine
>"oh damn, guess we lost the war and can't do anything about it now, video game rules are in effect"
Yeah, they'll try another disastrous invasion. Perhaps with a tinge more success, but given they're ziggers, it probably will just be Bakhmut 2: Muscovi Meatgrinder Boogaloo
Then that would also be the point that when they get inevitably beaten back again where Ukraine will just grab the Russian border regions. Both as a buffer for the NEXT attempt at invasion as well as being able to "give" Putin something in negotiations for peace... "stop the war and you can have some of it back. Every time you say no what you can get back is less than before!"
ROSTOV ON DON will be renamed GOLDEN ARCHES.
I want to believe that people who post new vegas's caesar do so exclusively ironically, as a joke.
>Russia collaps just NOT gonna happen bro
>nope, not uh, nevah, Evah
Why? Explain your reasoning, or are you just here impotently squealing because its more likely than you want us to think
>And if they lose Crimea, the Russians will be eager to go to war for that.
what the frick do you think russians are right now
if they lose crimea it's not like they're gonna be capable of raising the eyebrow anymore
Nobody cares about your homosexual feelings israelite.
Why are you here?
I haven’t been paying attention but this is the first time I’ve seen someone, even a mark milly tier figure, state their worry about russias immanent (tm) collapse.
Tons of memeing about China/Japan taking back the East, but not this.
Tldr btw
It's certainly unlikely but it's something the higher-ups should think about. Nobody really expected the Soviet Union to collapse, and when it happened, nobody had a clear idea on what to do.
youre a vatnik but youre probably right about some things. I doubt the two more weeks russia's gonna collapse anymore than when people say it about any other nation (especially the US). I also doubt Crimea falling but were it to it would act much more as a rallying cry than anything else
>youre probably right about some things
And I will gladly eat my frickin' words if I'm horribly wrong. VatBlack folk are cancer and while I may come off as such with some non-approved takes, at the end of the day, I hate Russia with a passion and love the fact that the country they're fighting and have been losing to was the same one they've exploited for the past 4 centuries.
They are, I'm not saying it wasn't a war. But Russians will soon drop the SMO euphemism for "WAR" proper if the AFU land in Crimea. And that will be a good thing because then the sissy Zigger men in Moscow and St. Petersburg will be up for drafting, and either they flee like rats or go off to die.
>And if they lose Crimea, the Russians will be eager to go to war for that
But they're already at war.
Because it will be the same shit all over again, some nukes lost and tons of little girls kidnapped and abused
Absence of government breeds chaos, chaos breeds criminals and terrorists. Look at Middle East or Afghanistan for an easy example.
Now imagine if those terrorists live within driving distance of a freshly abandoned military base, munitions warehouse or a nuclear silo
Look on the bright side, we get Lord of War 2 in, lets say, 240.
So when we Marshall Plan Russia, will we get cheap Saigas and VEPRs again? Because that's all I really care about at this point.
>Yakovleff
doesn't sound very french
Nuclear terrorism.
Russian Civil War 2.0: Nuclear Stockpile Boogaloo
Fricking loved these guys.
French Woodland and Desert Camo > Multiscam & and other associated mongrel camos
it do be looking classy as h*ck
>russia collapses
>it gets divided up into nato nations
I for one am looking forward to the new 51st state in the Union.
The new flag of Moscow will be the old Russian flag with a giant McDonalds golden arch over it.
>we are now in the timeline where Russia will be dePutlerized, degommiefied, disarmed, denook'd and decentralized
No country under any circumstances should ever willingly surrender nuclear armaments. Doing so is forever damming your country and it's people to being a fricking punching bag for those with nuclear weapons. Fricking detonate them in their silos and force your population upon the world as radioactive refuges if anyone ever demands that. This whole shit show never would have happened if Ukraine had kept her nukes. In addition offlining nuclear power planets is literally the worst fricking thing you can do for you frickers and your green energy bullshit. There is literally no better way to generate power.
This.
>This whole shit show never would have happened if Ukraine had kept her nukes.
Exactly.
And who back then told ukies it was fine and nothing would happen? Well russians for starters yes, but also americans.
Really makes you think.
>Fricking detonate them in their silos and force your population upon the world as radioactive refuges if anyone ever demands that.
is Putin a bad enough dude to make an epic ace combat zero reference?
>your population upon the world as radioactive refuges
The problem with your cunning plan is that ionising radiation would kill most of teh Russian population before they were able to walk out of Russia or would weaken them too much to do so. However its certainly the degree of moronic cruel stupid savagery that would be expected of Russia. There is no choice here, Russias nuclear arsenal is currently inoperable and Russia is not being asked nicely. Right now Russias toys are being taken away because its leaders are moronic spastics. They are not getting to keep their nukes either. Count on it. Russia has been a curse to mankind for 100 years. It is over.
CIA has been preparing for this for decades. Wouldn't be surprised if they already had the tentative agreements with people who will be able to sell those nukes.
>Russia. after getting rekt after an incompetent performance in an ill-advised war, is on the brink of collapse
>A political dissident living in the west is shipped back to form a new, more liberal government
>First as tragedy, then as farce.
I'm telling you, it can't happen any other way. The weight of history is too strong.
Underrated
I can't think of a single example of this method of nation-building that has worked out well in the end.
>Watch 'em run amuck
>Catch 'em as they fall
>Never know your luck
>When there's a free for all
>Here a little dip
>There a little touch
>Most of them are goners
>So they won't miss much
(Two weeks more)
See pajeet, here in white, democratic countries we have a thing called "freedom of speech". You see, here normal people (yes, even you!) can disagree with the governament, and its policies aren't the only ones allowed.
Now go back to sucking Modi's brown wiener whatever his name is.
lolwut
NATO has countries queueing to get in
kek, for those not aware what these establishments are:
kebab is really popular in Poland, especially in the working class. a few years ago some far right nationalists (from the fringe parties with close ties to Russia) got butthurt that their favourite food is en large made by browns of different kinds, and opened a few joints usually called some variation of "Real Kebab Made By Real Poles", and coupled it with some minor vandalism acts against the brown owned kebab places.
As we like to say, Poland is a state of mind.
Nothing beats a good turkish kebab, frick skinhead Black folk. I'm fine with immigrants as long as they bring good food and don't shit on the streets
of course you are mutt
True worldwide peace will never be achieved until the lasr Russian is strangled with the entrails of the last Chinese. The balkanization of Russia and China should be the goal of the West and their allies.
Aren't you forgetting about a little someone, there?
This, ukranianans are our brothers and they have all.folded over and surrendered to russians without resistance
keeping lukashenko from invading moscow
we should have another Berlin confernce and cut it up like we did with africa in the good old days
Vienna conference you mean. All of Russias neighbours should attend and they should all get a fixed percentage and then everyone can debate which minorities are their people and draw decent borders. Russia is over. The world does not need its collapse causing more murder to decent peoples.
nah we aint caring for that shit, straight recourse extraction rights. Its not like russia is good for anything else.
>Why would NATO need prepare?
If you want peace prepare for war
Russia's collapse should be encouraged. A large border fence should be built on the NATO border, after diplomatically annexing Belarus and Ukraine into the alliance caging them into the apocalyptic prison cell to suffer for another 100 years.
>return to pre-1991 borders
Modern Western World does not have the balls to do anything from this list.
Can you imagine if the Americans, French and Anglos was pussyfooting around Germans the way they do now with Russia?
8 years of the Phony war in Donbass and were pissing their pants a year ago in Feb and March, pathetic.
>Not the heckin rooskies, dem good boys! not the Pushkerinos and Dostoevskis!
>Can you imagine if the Americans, French and Anglos was pussyfooting around Germans the way they do now with Russia?
I mean, England, France and America specifically denied the Netherlands' request to annex parts of Germany's northwest, to avoid the streams of refugees into the rest of the German territory and the whole mess that would cause - mostly because they saw what was happening to (then) East Germany and Poland.
Displacing a population has never not lead to a bunch of problems.
it is simple anon. Germany was right next to them and in their face. Vatnikstan hordes are far, out of sight, out of mind. You saw them changing their tunes immediately when the monster they bailed out in WW2 ended up breathing down their necks with their east euro slave "allies" during the cold war
Always projecting
imo the only way this can end without absolute mayhem is when the russian government will accept surrender on the conditions of return to pre-2014 borders with UN-governed referendum in crimea for joining RU or UA and supervision of all nuclear weapons by UN (i.e. joint US/CN staff on site all the time). Anything other will result in civil war in RU with warlords swinging icbm's around. This is only acceptable to RU if the RU-army is destroyed which will by the looks of it take another 2 years. So 2 years for diplomacy to work and fingers crossed some sensible gents will take control of RU (not very likely, i admit)
It's going to be a god damned shame. The free world was still free in the 80's when they collapsed the first time. Now the nations restructuring Russia will be doing it with totalitarianism as the goal.
Gonna need to set up extra chairs and stock up on snacks in the briefing room. Shit's gonna be fricking fire, like watching a Thunderdome deathmatch between the freakshow casts of multiple TLC series.
I will have some 30000 euros in savings by then. What bussiness should I start in a russian successor state? I was thinking hypermarket chain split between me and some friends (we could get 200000 euros between us) implementing franchise model. Or ISP. But I think I am too poor to become a new oligarch. At least I am learning russian to take advantage of the chaos.
Guns.
I would need some funs and bodyguards to pacify the drunken natives. I know some economic shock moves that were done in the 90's, perhaps I could cheapo buy small depots or workshops and make more money scrapping them. How could I get AKs from Kalmykia to Somaliland hmm...
If Russia collapses, it will be nothing like the collapse of the USSR. So much of the good surplus has already been sold or used in the last 30 years.
It doesn't even seem that winning Ukraine at this rate will help Russia in the long run. The land grab isn't going to fix all their problems
You idiots don't see that this "Ukriane war" is exactly a contonuation of USSR collapse.
also - karabakh, abkhazia/ossetia, transnitria wars - its all a reminiscence of USSR
USSR collapse didnt "happen" in 1991 - its still happeneing right now.
Looked up the guy, apparently he's the real deal, ex foreign legion etc Also wrote books about military tactics that are like sacred for officers. If he says this, that means he knows something is brewing, and it will be glorious
oooh. oooh. i got it!
let's hold referendums.
Get the nukes out then let these subhuman snowgolians slaughter eachother.
>Russian government collapses
>Fly planes over Russia spraying aerosolized Antabuse over the entire population
>Entire Russian population dies from vomitting and seizures
>"woah Alaska was bigger than we previously thought"
Nothing in the geneva conventions about weaponized sobriety.
Probably goes under chemical warfare, still good idea.
underated
Experts said they've already collapsed back in April last year. And they also ran out of ammo. And missiles. And Pootin got cancer. And Parkinson's. And he's already dead. But he lost his left testicle before he died. And he shat himself post portem.
What do you want actual collapse to look like?
Like a switch turning overnight?
It's a process, not one-time event.
If russia collapses the last thing putin does in office is launch all the nukes. Gg ameritards
>Why would NATO need prepare?
To make sure libs, Black folk, troons, German and their sock puppet Navalny won't save the Ruzzian statehood again.
It's balkanisation time.
Hopefully 'Russia;' returns to solely ethnic Russian regions and all the peoples east of the Urals get back control of their own land.
Sadly the scum in the UN do not recognise Siberians as having the right to self determination.
>Sadly the scum in the UN do not recognise Siberians as having the right to self determination.
Considering their oil reserves, Dubai with snow would be pretty kino. I fricking hate deserts.
>Voluntary collectivism is a surprisingly effective method of farming
actually have a nice day now
Black folks, pre-bolshevik Russian agriculture was basically built on volutary collectivisation: peasant communes that assigned pieces of land to families, not individuals. This was viable in preindustrial conditions and resulted in surplus of food, that in turn resulted in Russian demographic explosion in XIXth century and enabled the emergence of urban workers class. I advise you to read pic rel, it describes in detail the organization of Russian society before revolution. Russia was always collectivist, it had nothing to do with communism before 1918.
>Voluntary collectivization is based and peasant pilled
you are sickeningly stupid. I can tell you are the child of some sort of utterly worthless civil servant from here
>secure nuclear weapons
>secretly support the many splinter groups that form after russia's collapse, specifically ones that have a grudge against china
>accidentally "lose" some nuclear missiles which end up in the hands of anti-china splinter groups
>act shocked when said groups proceed to nuke china
>china has no way to respond as they didn't get attacked by another nation but by a bunch of terrorists that have no central command
It's a fricking brilliant way to screw over China without risking getting nuked in return. You're welcome glowBlack folk, be sure to give me credit in the history books.
Russia collapsing and balkanizing has been a nightmare scenario for NATO for decades. All that military equipment and nukes in different hands ensures a large scale conflict
>All that military equipment
Well, thankfully that is getting spend in Ukraine. What remains is not much of a worry for anyone else than russians themselves.
>nukes in different hands
Nukes themselves are not much of a problem. Russian nukes are in relatively well known locations and easy to track, so easy enough to secure. The biggest risk in that regard is russian nuclear submarine deciding to go rogue.
Its the fissile material that could be dangerous as that could end up being smuggled somewhere in chaos.
>The biggest risk in that regard is russian nuclear submarine deciding to go rogue.
No, the biggest risk is one of the dozen or so nations that would now have nukes deciding they're going to start selling them, or they get into a territorial dispute with its new neighbors and starts lobbing them wherever they want. This is the reason why the US and western Europe pumped money into Russia throughout the 90s and kept trying to prop up Yeltsin.
Can't lob shit if nukes are being protected by US forces.
gl w/ that
You need to prepare your post collapse vacation
I can see Kaliningrad splitting away as a Baltic Republic in the next 10 years if someone ambitious gets into power there, but Russia will probably retain territorial integrity apart from that, just with more autonomy for the regions. Theres no power base to build an independent state from and the areas with large non-russian racial groups are too dilute and russified to be a basis for separate nation to form.
I do like the idea of a Russian speaking self Konigsberg pissing off the germans as they LARP as modern day Prussians.
To set up a shoot on sight perimeter so the vermin can't leave their containment zones once Muscovia crumbles apart
is everyone on /k/ a bot? or some sort of brain damaged zogbot mongrel?
>twitter screencap thread
>IT'S HAPPENING GUISE11!!1 LOOK AT THE SCREENCAP MAN SAID THING! MUST BE REAL YOU GUISE LOOK!
what happened to this place? just go leave
>clearly skullfricked glavset drone
>barking something about bots and reprogramming
Does irony have a translation in Russian?
Carefully map out which regions and territories to recognize as independent, sovereign nations. Immediately recognize them when they declare independence, immediately ship in vast amounts of support to ensure their success.
you're a massive homosexual
competent organizations engage in contingency planning
lol
shity france, just go to paris , a 3rd world dump, full of nigg3rs and gypsies
To avoid friendly fire in the land rush to the Chinese border
>much bloodier than the collapse of the ussr.
Based
do you want to let china get its filthy bug legs on siberia?
also, a whole nuclear arsenal in the hands of europes largest muslim population, frick no
>a whole nuclear arsenal in the hands of europes largest muslim population,
it already is? Russia is muzzied as frick
Secure the nukes. Then use them on Russia. Round up the entire population into city centers then glass them. Everyone wins.
If russias natural resources were to be divided among the population for a second time, I really wonder if Olga (79) would know her stocks worth this time around.
1. Have civil society organizations ready to take to the streets when Putin dies or is couped.
2. Be ready to bribe the warden and prison guards to get Navalny out of jail.
3. ???
4. Profit.
I heard in a CSIS video recently that the Russian civil society is minuscule and they had a hard time finding orgs that weren't foreign.
>1. Have civil society organizations ready to take to the streets when Putin dies or is couped.
If I were a potential successor to Putin the first thing I'd do is seize control and do a Belka along the border of Ukraine and Poland. Make the US and NATO shit themselves so hard the CIA and Co. are ordered to cease all operations, buying me time to cull their operatives.
i would just shake hands with the western devil to avoid being annexed by china and fricked in the ass on two fronts
so citizens they're almost allowed to vote fresh off the boat, they're refugees and no matter how many you smuggled in with them they won't be democratically taking over anything in time for putins regime to prolong the war
not likely, even putin knows that's a game of chicken that no one wants, even if he gave the order he would just drag the entire nato military coalition into defensive war vs russia and would frick up for good triggering m.a.d at worst and two front war at best against their former ally who is not going to war with nato over some baltic shithole
>who is not going to war with nato over some baltic shithole
is this what russian propaganda says?
nah that's what common sense says, do you really think china wants to start a war in the baltic front just because their ally wanted some nearly worthless land? if they're going to war alongside russia they will pick a slightly more valuable target and maybe try to tickle turkey's anus to get them to flip on the western powers and switch side
they will most definitely not be supporting some balcan invasion intro into war with nato, they would most likely do a first strike to some key chokepoints near their major ports and tell russia to pick a more militarily important target like US west coast, alaska or tell them to blockade baltic sea and go snipe ship convoys that try to reinforce the blockade on china with submarines
>i would just shake hands with the western devil to avoid being annexed by china and fricked in the ass on two fronts
If you attempt to bridge things, you end up in the position of Ukraine where they operate freely and start drawing up plans about which brain-addled popular celebrity is going to replace you to act as a puppet governor.
>if you collaborate with west you will just be replaced by a puppet
like turkey? do you mean like the turkish ruler that is completely being replaced or do you mean the neutral india that is totally being replaced?
you just have to have either a unstable enough government or totalitarian enough regime to avoid west from slipping in with election puppets, unfortunately for EU countries they went into the bullshit with arms wide open and their politicians were already high on the koolaid of globo homosexual world government
It's a two part problem. Even if you remain in power, if you deescalate in Ukraine, Ukraine ends up as an Afghanistan on your central border that is emboldened by the "victory". You can't really allow them to continue to exist if you plan to pull out. The tensions between the nations and the artificial animosities between the people have been stoked too high. It's a geopolitical malignancy. There is no geopolitically tenable situation for Russia where Russia just backs down unless it comes in the form of a unified revolution across both Ukraine and Russia with the result being a united country with a new common bond. Which then spreads across other countries . 1917 all over again. Which won't be allowed by anyone.
or you could you know, sell it as a shift in power and be pro west on TV and spout all that good shit about liberty while actually being turkey tier ruling family totalitarian who will allow people liberties but won't give them full on democracy while you wrangle in the oligarchs and the keys to power in your country with ironfist purge for being "pro-putin" before west can step in to meddle with that, that could work and after that you just show peace sign and be the new gorbatsov (except be competent and only do that as a front until you can solidify power)
the western powers don't really care who actually rules the country as long as they know that you're not against them openly, after that you can just box in china and use the new fake pro west victory in the country as your calling card while everyone who opposes you is a pro-putin loyalist trying to reinstall him back to power, how awful must be violently suppressed or shipped away to prison
if you can't keep your country under your thumb after a change in power you suck at ruling
>There is no geopolitically tenable situation for Russia where Russia just backs down unless it comes in the form of a unified revolution across both Ukraine and Russia with the result being a united country with a new common bond. Which then spreads across other countries . 1917 all over again. Which won't be allowed by anyone.
Though, I will note, if Russia collapses, then it's possible this is how it collapses. An ideological lysis. The contamination of all English speaking countries where existing communist-themed leftist elements are given enough crack where it emboldens them to act.
who are you going to support
I really wish we had own sovereign state independent from Moscow, but I understand that it's impossible and the "Siberian Federation" like that would sadly never be a viable and sustained formation.
t. siberian
1. They have to make sure that Russia's nukes don't get sold off to the highest bidder by the oligarchs and high-ranking military officials.
2. Prevent China from annexing parts of Eastern and Central Russia.
3. Prevent and mitigate chaos as warlords try to seize power.
4. Help set up a new government that isn't anti-West.
does that mean cheap AKs?
Or just nukes...
It means NATO will have to pick between trying to keep Russia's existing government structures afloat through some periods that are gonna make the 90s in Russia look like Japan in the middle of their tech boom, or trying to keep a bunch of moronic balkanized sub states from using or losing their newfound nuclear stockpiles. CIA should have started recruiting around the clock last year either way.
Get ready to go in and either buy off warlords for their nukes, or steal the nukes. Either way they have to get as much nuclear material as possible.
holy shit shut the frick up with this ridiculous fanfic you stupid fricking Black person
So?
this is just some poojet making replies on chatgpt
idk about butthurt belt fantazies of "russia collapse" lol
dudes never opened a geography book
there is NO reason for dagestan or tatarstan or sibera to establish yet another borders. all these republics are part of russia, and otherwise they would be enclave'd
world is moving towards globalization and less borders
(getting land bridge to baltics from moscow is a real deal)
>idk about butthurt belt fantazies of "russia collapse" lol
Idk why russia has butthurt belt about baltic states, but I don't really care since russland is going to collapse any time soon
Are you new here?
Are you puzzian?
haha another twitter nafoid tourist, frick off
you forgot to add something about globohomosexual russy
Russians gonna rule Baltic very soon. They are proper citizens, but they are loyal to Russia, not to NATO, and their kids are will flood Baltic police, army and goverments. Soft take over, let's call it so.
I doubt that non-existent state rule anything.
I don't know about your mechanisms of coping, but I'm telling you about the demographic shift in Baltic states. Russians aren't leaving, they're not even segregating, but gaining social power.
Demographics mean nothing when you have no political power,
political power comes from social power
look up israelites in usa
Are you russian?
I'm tatar.
Lmao
Lithuania is 5% Russian and most of our expats are Russians. You Black folk are literally overrepresented group in emigration. Hell, 70% of crimes done abroad by "Lithuanian" are by Russian emigrants.
You're Black folk, and even 5% that is still here are poor Black person earning minimum wage, contributing only to aids rate and crime rate, and have literally 0 political power.
We beat up Russian ambassadors on the street and perpetrators get away with a small fine for public disturbance.
>russians will tkae over baltic very soon
didn't you guys already rule over baltic and everyone there looks at that time as badly as the parts of south eastern europe that were under ussr rule
i don't think anyone is missing russia leadership with golded nostalgia anon, finland did way better than estonia and they are salty about ussr fricking them over with occupation to this day, any positive memories under russian rule died with the tzar
Baltics have 1/3 century of independence, idk what are you on about
I'm not talking about USSR 2.0 or incorporating Batlics into Russia, i'm talking about demographics
>i-it's democratic takeover!
good luck annexing a nato member, no one is going to buy your refugees turned pillars of community "democratic" takeover, the only reason there are so many russians there is because they ran from your conscription call to war threat
they love russia so much they ran from a call to arms to fight for the noble cause of annexing ukraine
>ran from your conscription call to war threat
they are the citizens of baltic coyntries you dummy
>demographics
local vatnik colony birth rates are in the strong negative while local populations are stable or rising. Further cancelled out by the hostile toward them local ukranian and belarussian colonies.
You are a idiot, specially when you think they will let the fleeing ziggers have citizenship or any say in local administration/politics. Most of the migrant ziggers want germany anyway like their brothas from africa. Only way russia gets any say in the baltic state internal affairs if it occupies them and genocides them wholesale while replacing them with siberian churkas
Yes they love Russia so much they spent all summer blowing up Russian monuments just to trigger Russia.
they rule them so good in fact that all pro vatnik parties with dubious connections lost the recent elections
so china doesn't annex them after putin's regime loses power and the power vacuum invites foreign invasion, also nukes
Are you really thinking russian military invade NATO country?
hell it is more likely that the war is near taiwan and the island blockades than in baltics, russia is kind of the smaller partner in the eastern alliance and would pretty much have to do what china tells them if they plan to win vs nato, most likely scenario is that the intro would be breaking the island blockade on china from both sides followed up by bombardment or invasion of japan and a push towards india trying to quickly take out the powers near china and russian borders before west gets off their asses and mobilizes for the war, they might try to do some game of chicken with nukes at the intro but both sides know that won't happen it would just be to buy time so they can take care of india and japan, when they have the nearby sea under control and their borders secured they would probably focus on defending land borders and taking out US fast and clean before they can call in any allies, turkey would flip sides immediately when they see the initial success like the opportunist turncoats they are, israel would scramble to secure their own borders for middle-eastern opportunist attack while crying to all their allies for help without giving a shit about the global theater
EU would take forever to mobilize because they would be caught with their pants down and would probably just play the border waiting game letting their strongest ally get fricked while canada and australia + UK would most likely try to help US, french and germany would be too inefficient to do anything outside defense out of fear of war on the european front and china and russia would gang bang US and the posse to the ground because their strongest deterrance is nuclear mutual assured destruction and the island blockade on china
west has been a coalition paper dragon for ages, if the blockade falls and nukes don't fly they're fricked
you could even collaborate with putin behind the scene and make use of his old network while keeping him as a power player behind the scenes, all that really matters is that the war ends, west thinks they won and you can solidify power and shake hands with western powers to ensure you don't get fricked by your own "ally"
if you play your cards right even if the power switches back to putin you'll still be in the inner circle for keeping him around and solving the issue
Won't happen unless Russia welcomed to NATO and Ukraine/Finland/Georgia/Baltics are kicked out.
There have to be a some kind of buffer.
>i-i need assurances
and that's why you won't be in power, you won't solve to ukraine situation and you will never get out from under china, the russia-west relations were good prior to ukraine the shift to russia being a part of the western powers vs china was already in the works but the ukraine war threw a wrench into that
all they need is a openly "pro west" guy to talk that good shit about freedom in tv and to box in china from russia, if you think nato is bending over backwards for turkey you have no idea how much honey they would jizz if they could landlock china and they would sure as hell try to stay on nice terms with whoever pro west person would help them, and like i said putin could still be useful for that behind the scenes you just need the pro west stooge to be the front man like presidents are in the west
>Won't happen unless Russia welcomed to NATO and Ukraine/Finland/Georgia/Baltics are kicked out.
That some heavy duty fantasies.
>There have to be a some kind of buffer.
Why? After puzzia kicked out of Ukraine it will be accepted to NATO.
Just wondering, are you a Pole or some Balt? Curios about your language
>WE ARE GOING TO NUKE YOU
>WE ARE GOING TO NUKE YOU
>WE ARE GOING TO NUKE YOU
>wooooooooooow... what are you preparing for???
Kill them, before they kill you.
China. You always forget about China.
Once they see balance is shifted, they will act as well.
just remove the nooks from those wild mongols then they are harmless