Why were bolt action shotguns a thing? Why are they no longer a thing? Were they just in .410 or were they in 20 and 12 gauge? Why didn't poorgays just buy a break action single shot or a used side by side? Were these really that much cheaper than a pump action and why were they so much cheaper than a pump gun?
>Why were bolt action shotguns a thing?
throw it against the wall and see what sticks
>Why are they no longer a thing?
it didn't stick
you can buy them for super cheap now especially with a 03fll and get one straight to home just like god intended. funny enough i got a sears roebuck one it was like im living in the past catalog to home gun purchase
>Sears Roebuck
I got one of their bolt action .22s, made in the 40's. I love that gun, wanted to get one of their bolt action shottys. Do you have anything negative to say about it?
most of the sears guns were made by high standard and were known to be cheap but dependable.
NTA that first replied but no, nothing negative maybe "cheap" looking by older standards just high gloss wood and regular ol blued steel nthing fancy besides that hated cutts looking adjustable choke but I like mine. Overall it looked like someone bought it put it in a safe for 50 years then sold it off no scratches or dents on mine.
tube-fed pump-action simply makes more sense. they are incredibly space efficient and you can operate the action without taking your supporting hand off the grip
>Were these really that much cheaper than a pump action and why were they so much cheaper than a pump gun?
pump actions were high quality luxury items not on the same level as good double but certainly a step above a normal double up until the mid 70s mossberg 500s rem 870s and winchester 1200s are what brought costs down by making the bolt lock into the barrel instead of the bolt locking into the receiver. which required a milled receiver of actual steel with precision cuts in it which was expensive.
They used to be the cheapest way to get a repeating shotgun. Back in the day they were a lot cheaper than a pump. Now that manufacturing has improved pumps have become even cheaper so they're mostly dead.
aside from this isnt a bolt action mechanically more durable than a pump? i know it was cheaper to make a non exploding action that way at least.
>aside from this isnt a bolt action mechanically more durable than a pump?
Depends on how they are made. I'd agree that a typical bolt-action rifle is stronger than the typical pump shotty but I've never seen a bolt-action shotgun built to the same kind of standard as a bolt-action rifle. The bolt action shotties I've handled and shot were nowhere near as strongly built as a bolt-action rifle. They were built more like the standard of low-end 22s. Since shotshells are a lot lower pressure than typical centerfire rifle rounds they could cut a lot of corners in the construction of a bolt-action shotgun. Many parts, even receivers, were just sheet metal stampings. The locking lugs are usually located at the rear and are a lot smaller than on a rifle, etc. Sure, if someone took a classic bolt-action rifle design and scaled it up to shotgun size it would be amazingly durable, but I don't think anyone has ever done that, probably because the cost would be too expensive and it would be heavy as hell.
The exception is battle rifles which have been rechambered in .410, that has been done historically both by governments looking to make less dangerous weapons for guards and also commercially by companies refurbing clapped out surplus into cheap hunting guns. Those are durable as hell but they point like a brick compared to any other .410.
I got this clapped out G98 in .410, in process of refurbing it. Have a .410 lee Enfield too that is good fun for clays, but I gmdo have a purpose built .410 bolt action that is far handier
>Have a .410 lee Enfield too that is good fun for clays
now that's something I want to see
I have a bayonet for it as well. Was using it at a somewhat posh clay ground a few weeks ago, family next to us had all the fancy shooting brand clothes and we're teaching their kids to shoot with expensive 20g O/U's. Plus there was a couple of old boys next to them as well.
I got a lot of sideways looks when I unsling my Lee Enfield, and almost concern when I put the bayonet on it. Then complete suprise when I start popping clays with it and then it dawned on them what it was and they were all laughing . The old boys came to have a look and were gushing over it.
Sounds like you would have at least had to have let the range officer or someone know what you had up your sleeve. My local one would have about had a stroke if he thought a round of .303 brit was about to get launched over the field into the farm right downrange from the clayfield.
That does sound like some godly trolling though; If anyone I knew had one of those .410 lever actions I would definitely bring it to mine.
Enfield .410s were made from shot out .303 and sent to the poos. Ammo was a ball slug.
Nah, the SMLE examples were mostly new production in India, and all the No 4s and some of the SMLEs (and, tragically, more than a few really nice Lee-Speeds) were conversion jobs by Bubba Bubbaton Esq III for the civilian market for legal reasons in the UK or else as Yet Another Surplus Dremeljob elsewhere
Indian Enfield Muskets are different, and usually purpose made at Isaphore.
In the UK lots were sent out ti contractors to convert them into .410 to try and shift the many surplus rifles they had after 1945. Mines marked up being made 1944, and is in really good condition for its age.
Most bolt-action shottys have a bolt like picrel. This is from a Marlin 55, same thing as the "Goose Gun". Look how simple it is. The only locking lug is the base of the bolt handle, the extractor is just a stamped piece of sheetmetal.
The only 12ga I can think of that has a bolt which resembles a typical Mauser style would be the Browning A-Bolt. The Mossberg 695's bolt doesn't rotate, nor does it have typical locking lugs. Instead it has a tilting locking block inside the bolt.
The indian .410s were made in india with indian produced rifles. They weren't "new stock" they were WWII era rifles they modified in the 40s and 50s. The indians never got the data package for the No.4. (the Aussies didn't either, only the Bongs and Canadians had that). So they used mkIIIs the whole war. So far as I know, all the official government made indian .410s are built on indian made guns that were produced before or during WWII. Any No4 or gun not made by the poos was a bubba conversion at some point, especially if the gun has a mag. In bongland, there were regulations and liconces needed to buy guns and ammo so the peasants couldn't revolt after WWII, but those laws didn't apply to smooth bores with a barrel above 20 inches, do enfields with clapped out barrels could easily be drilled out by bubba to .410 and sold to anyone, rather than just some guy with a liconce who obviously would want a not clapped out gun. Also nearly all the poo .410s in the USA were further drilled out by bubba to take actual .410, because indian .410 was just .303 that wasn't necked down and had either a round ball or buck shot
>It's obvious, are you stupid?
so you are a moronic yuro who doesn't know why they were cheaper than the pump guns. Got it
There was an Anon here who claimed his grandad ran a small machine shop that was contracted to convert surplus Enflields.
.410s enflields in the UK aren't just worn out guns that have been bubba'd, they were converted in large numbers. Laws have nothing to do with it either, .303 Lee Enfields are still legal for civilian ownership here and are a popular rifle, until the 80's and 90's as well you could own pretty much anything in the UK as well. The thinking behind it was that farmers and gamekeepers have little use for a .303 rifle, but could make use of a .410 shotgun.
Bolt action shotguns are still a thing though, take this Browning A-Bolt for example. It's just that modern productions are almost entirely slug/sabot guns meant to be a compromise for a rifle due to restrictions. Outside of that, nobody really wants to use a bolt action while doing wing shooting or clays.
They definitely come in more than just .410, but I actually have that same model in your OP out at Dad's place.
I have wanted a tube fed bolt action .410 shotgun for so long. I really can't find any near me. Saw one online once but it was stupid expensive.
That model in OP's pic actually has an internal box magazine, that holds 2 shells+1 in the chamber.
Yeah but those mags are dogshit. Mine jams hard if you try to get two in, works with one tho
I have a 2+1 12g and .410 and they both work fine fully loaded up. Maybe your spring or floor plate is bent.
Spring is fine, the follower is just a tiltomatic. Considering throwing on side plates to prevent it.
Mine tilts a lot, but no problems with jams. Have you tried different cartridges? Different brands are a couple of mm shorter/longer than each other and it might help.
Yeah, tried plenty. Specifically the shells will sit at too low of an angle of attack to hit the chamber, due to the aforementioned tilt. At least reliably anyway, sometimes it cooperates sometimes it doesn't.
Cheap. Reliable and most importantly, fun.
Are the birds okay?
They were just sleepy anon and having a nap
Oh it's this thread again. At least I already had the image and didn't have to Google it for you.
They were profitable. Imagine turkshit shotguns but it's postwar America: factories are cranking out toobs because people buy them.
i have two of these stupid things from when they were $40 on fuddbroker. one of them is in fricking 16 gauge
yeah the 390k thats exactly what i got. i even won it for LESS than that msrp kek
I'm pretty sure Browning still makes the A-bolt shotgun but it might be just a eurogay thing.
>Why were bolt action shotguns a thing
Originally - because governments and private manufacturers wanted to clear space for new guns on the warehouses, and because sometimes there was a task to give civilian hunters a cheap and reliable gun to cover their bare necessities. You can't hunt any bird with a 50 cal black power round or with 7,62x54.
>Why are they no longer a thing?
They're not massive thing because soldiers aren't using bolt actions as their main weapon.
However, there are still some in production. Turks have recently copied a russian bolt action TOZ shorty, but forgot to include the classy wood and magazine.
>Were they just in .410 or were they in 20 and 12 gauge
Frolov shotguns were in 32 and 28 gauge. Single shot Berdans were up to 16 gauge.
Some Mauser 98 shotguns were in 12 gauge iirc
>Why didn't poorgays just buy a break action single shot or a used side by side
You buy what you have in stock and allowed to buy on the decision of government. If all you had before are cap and ball or matchlock guns, and break actions aren't as common in your Nowhere region, then having a 32 gauge centerfire gun is a great advantage.
>Were these really that much cheaper than a pump action and why were they so much cheaper than a pump gun
It's obvious, are you stupid?
Hot take:
Magazine fed, straight pull bolt action, 12 gauge, quality wood furniture shotgun.
YAY or NAY?
>straight pull bolt action
So... a pump. What you're describing is a pump.
No he's describing a straight pull bolt action with a box magazine
A pump is a straight-pull bolt action, just with the bolt handle in a non-moronic location. Nobody said anything about box mags until you just now.
Anyway that exists, Mossberg 590M.
Yay