Both Russians and Ukranian supporters are making the same mistake. They are looking at the normal maps, and ignore the topographic ones.
The reason why Ukraine captures all towns along the river within days is because they essentially took the high ground on the left side, essentially pushing Russians out. Not only that, but because Ukranians control the high grounds, they will essentially capture or even encircle 2 strong fortifications that proved to be trickier in the first days.
Current status.
source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idiRrvnVw48
So far this channel has not been wrong on these reports. Or I can't recall the last time he was (do let me know if and when that happened tho)
This channel's good, one of the better places you'd want to check for solid daily updates.
The Ukrainians continue to run rings about the Vatnik fools, who only seem to be able to....retreat.
Well anon, no idea if you are right, but it would fit with the worried reaction this specific advance elicited...
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't that armor column that got lit up hard that's been getting spammed the last week or so around one of those two areas in the north west of those maps?
Yep, which means that if Russia hasn't then Ukies will soon be towing those back
>soon be towing those back
Happened two days ago
Wouldn't the russians shell them, just to be sure?
Ukrainians have been heavily surpressing Russian arty and its also needed to stop other attacks. Not saying they haven't tried, but it's more likely they try to finish them off with drones.
Russians only have one kind of play really: artillery and lots of expendable manpower.
How did the Russians get an infantry pic of them next to the leopards then
Did they just run in after the immidiate fallback? Or is it a drone pic with a guy superimposed.
>Did they just run in after the immidiate fallback?
Yes, that's how you do it. There was no ukies anymore and all the mines are probably AT. Two dudes making a 15 min stroll to take some photos wouldn't risk much.
The tree line the bradley was firing at in the video was only 200 meters away.
It's south of Orikhiv, and there are two columns.
>east column
https://twitter.com/poetaetrr/status/1667256394213367810
>west column
https://twitter.com/fdov21/status/1668007192807497729
>https://twitter.com/fdov21/status/1668007192807497729
i may be dumb, but where are the roads on that map?
this map shows the paved roads in yellow
the dirt paths that these columns are advancing on run alongside the tree lines in the fields
I wouldn't worry about it the main defensive line is the Urals.
Its not about the cities. Its about the river.
Best part is that N->S general direction in that region goes from the (comparative) highlands to the sea level.
Tokmak has high grounds to its north, Melitopol has high grounds to its north, hell even Mariupol has high grounds to its north. Moving north to south in that region ukies most of the time would have high ground advantage.
Counterpoint: Roads are more important than hills. And roads go through towns and villages.
just drive on the grass you worthless citycuck
It might take the supply trucks an awful long time to catch up.
No, control of the surrounding TERRAIN is more important. It's how the Vietnamese smashed the French.
The Viet Minh had
A. An absolutely miniscule supply consumption needs compared to a modern army
B. A million vietnamese coolies they could work together carrying shells on their back
C. Jungle cover so the said massive columns of supply coolies didn't get merked by French air power and artillery
>work together
*work to death
Roads are important for the rear duty. Directly on the frontline terrain is infinitely more important and you make roads where you want when you advance.
It's thinking like this that leads to 40 mile long traffic jams.
With control of the TERRAIN around roads, you can deny the enemy access to them.
>more important
If losing the hill is a sufficient condition for losing the town then holding the hill is a necessary condition for holding the town. Therefore the hill is at least as important as the town, and this is true even if the only use of the hill is holding the town.
Yes but the town is why you go there in the first place. The hill is only important because it controls the town.
Control the hill, control the town. Area denial.
The Russian commanders just want their medals from their bosses, hence their addictions to grabbing little towns but NOT controlling the surrounding terrain.
This is why the Russians are idiots. They have ZERO understanding of the importance of rural terrain. It's all about controlling URBAN shit. Control the hill above a town, and you can blast the enemy to fricking hell.
Blessed post
That's just Western thinking. It's better to control the surrounding terrain to deny the enemy access to urban areas and roads.
>The reason why Ukraine captures all towns along the river within days is because they essentially took the high ground on the left side
Sounds like ukraine was paying attention to the topographic map then?
The Ukrainians LOVE topography. Every single time they can capture "high ground", they will.
>it's about the topography only
What are road nets for $200, Alex?
The villages control the road which controls the flow of logistics and reinforcements. On an operational level they need that valley. Topography comes into play while they're actually fighting for said villages.
You can't collect the taxes if you don't control villages anon.
Why assume we have ever made that mistake?
Some of us have been watching Bakhmut from the beginning, and even the most ardent tourist who did that would learn about topography.
It's become particularly interesting given RF's developing habit of destroying dams.
The emphasis on controlling the togography has become a lost art in the West, I fear.
You can do so fricking much just by controlling strategic points of terrain.
loosing another huh?
>loosing
How many times have the humans in the thread noticed you were brown today? Are you trying to get fired? Come on Rajneesh, your family is counting on you!
Didn't Prigozhin complain about this same thing in that one interview about Bakhmut, basically Ru MoD was focusing on roads and towns and ignoring the hills which was fricking up everything.
That map is old, but what you are saying still applies