Why villages don't matter

Both Russians and Ukranian supporters are making the same mistake. They are looking at the normal maps, and ignore the topographic ones.

The reason why Ukraine captures all towns along the river within days is because they essentially took the high ground on the left side, essentially pushing Russians out. Not only that, but because Ukranians control the high grounds, they will essentially capture or even encircle 2 strong fortifications that proved to be trickier in the first days.

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  1. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Current status.

    source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idiRrvnVw48

    So far this channel has not been wrong on these reports. Or I can't recall the last time he was (do let me know if and when that happened tho)

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      This channel's good, one of the better places you'd want to check for solid daily updates.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      The Ukrainians continue to run rings about the Vatnik fools, who only seem to be able to....retreat.

  2. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Well anon, no idea if you are right, but it would fit with the worried reaction this specific advance elicited...

  3. 11 months ago
    Anonymous
  4. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't that armor column that got lit up hard that's been getting spammed the last week or so around one of those two areas in the north west of those maps?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yep, which means that if Russia hasn't then Ukies will soon be towing those back

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >soon be towing those back
        Happened two days ago

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Wouldn't the russians shell them, just to be sure?

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Ukrainians have been heavily surpressing Russian arty and its also needed to stop other attacks. Not saying they haven't tried, but it's more likely they try to finish them off with drones.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Russians only have one kind of play really: artillery and lots of expendable manpower.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      How did the Russians get an infantry pic of them next to the leopards then
      Did they just run in after the immidiate fallback? Or is it a drone pic with a guy superimposed.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Did they just run in after the immidiate fallback?
        Yes, that's how you do it. There was no ukies anymore and all the mines are probably AT. Two dudes making a 15 min stroll to take some photos wouldn't risk much.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        The tree line the bradley was firing at in the video was only 200 meters away.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yep, which means that if Russia hasn't then Ukies will soon be towing those back

      It's south of Orikhiv, and there are two columns.
      >east column
      https://twitter.com/poetaetrr/status/1667256394213367810
      >west column
      https://twitter.com/fdov21/status/1668007192807497729

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >https://twitter.com/fdov21/status/1668007192807497729
        i may be dumb, but where are the roads on that map?

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          this map shows the paved roads in yellow
          the dirt paths that these columns are advancing on run alongside the tree lines in the fields

  5. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I wouldn't worry about it the main defensive line is the Urals.

  6. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Its not about the cities. Its about the river.

  7. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Best part is that N->S general direction in that region goes from the (comparative) highlands to the sea level.
    Tokmak has high grounds to its north, Melitopol has high grounds to its north, hell even Mariupol has high grounds to its north. Moving north to south in that region ukies most of the time would have high ground advantage.

  8. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Counterpoint: Roads are more important than hills. And roads go through towns and villages.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      just drive on the grass you worthless citycuck

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        It might take the supply trucks an awful long time to catch up.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      No, control of the surrounding TERRAIN is more important. It's how the Vietnamese smashed the French.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        The Viet Minh had
        A. An absolutely miniscule supply consumption needs compared to a modern army
        B. A million vietnamese coolies they could work together carrying shells on their back
        C. Jungle cover so the said massive columns of supply coolies didn't get merked by French air power and artillery

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >work together
          *work to death

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Roads are important for the rear duty. Directly on the frontline terrain is infinitely more important and you make roads where you want when you advance.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's thinking like this that leads to 40 mile long traffic jams.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        With control of the TERRAIN around roads, you can deny the enemy access to them.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >more important
      If losing the hill is a sufficient condition for losing the town then holding the hill is a necessary condition for holding the town. Therefore the hill is at least as important as the town, and this is true even if the only use of the hill is holding the town.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yes but the town is why you go there in the first place. The hill is only important because it controls the town.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Control the hill, control the town. Area denial.

          The Russian commanders just want their medals from their bosses, hence their addictions to grabbing little towns but NOT controlling the surrounding terrain.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        This is why the Russians are idiots. They have ZERO understanding of the importance of rural terrain. It's all about controlling URBAN shit. Control the hill above a town, and you can blast the enemy to fricking hell.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Blessed post

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        That's just Western thinking. It's better to control the surrounding terrain to deny the enemy access to urban areas and roads.

  9. 11 months ago
    Anonymous
  10. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >The reason why Ukraine captures all towns along the river within days is because they essentially took the high ground on the left side
    Sounds like ukraine was paying attention to the topographic map then?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      The Ukrainians LOVE topography. Every single time they can capture "high ground", they will.

  11. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >it's about the topography only
    What are road nets for $200, Alex?

    The villages control the road which controls the flow of logistics and reinforcements. On an operational level they need that valley. Topography comes into play while they're actually fighting for said villages.

  12. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    You can't collect the taxes if you don't control villages anon.

  13. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why assume we have ever made that mistake?

    Some of us have been watching Bakhmut from the beginning, and even the most ardent tourist who did that would learn about topography.

    It's become particularly interesting given RF's developing habit of destroying dams.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      The emphasis on controlling the togography has become a lost art in the West, I fear.

      You can do so fricking much just by controlling strategic points of terrain.

  14. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    loosing another huh?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >loosing
      How many times have the humans in the thread noticed you were brown today? Are you trying to get fired? Come on Rajneesh, your family is counting on you!

  15. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Didn't Prigozhin complain about this same thing in that one interview about Bakhmut, basically Ru MoD was focusing on roads and towns and ignoring the hills which was fricking up everything.

  16. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    That map is old, but what you are saying still applies

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