Literally every single primary source we have for Thompson use in WWII says >We 100% needed it to clear out pill boxes/bunkers/houses/ect and it was invaluable in that roll, but FRICK carrying it
There is some story some anon said was fake where a bong soldier threw his tommy gun in a river so he could get a sten because frick the heavy. Also I know I heard some WWII vet on israelitetube say everyone had to take turns carrying it. Like only one guy in the platoon ever actually shot it, but I guess he had an M1 or a carbine most of the time and they would take turns having to carry the thompson and then have to pass it to him if they ran into a pillbox
The army and marine corp independently tried to get the ordnance board to stop issuing submachine guns and just use carbines. Since a Thompson is 2x the weight of a carbine I totally understand.
>everyone had to take turns carrying it
Eugene Sledge mentioned that in With the Old Breed a couple of times. Even the mortar section thought it was useful enough to lug around.
tommy guns was about as rare in the US Army as the MP40 was with the germans
only about 800k M1s and M1A1s were issued to the army
older M1928s were also issued to the US army, but not in the same amount, bringing the total up to about a million
so this compared with the >1M MP40s made by the germans
but americans didnt hand out tommy guns as standard, squad had 0 SMGs by default
they were all held in the company weapons pool an were handed out if you asked for them
while the squad leader of the german squad always got an MP40 when possible
the M1 carbine ended up being issued in place of SMGs
with late-war squad setups having 1 or 2 carbines in a squad
the M2 carbine with full-auto was indistinguishable from a SMG, with 1 or 2 being issued for close combat
>Let me machine a solid slab of metal and call it the receiver and match it with a heafty bolt cuz lmao gas and locking system.
All of them ww2 smg weights like a m4 or more
homie, the Thompson is almost twice as heavy as an M4. The M4 is extremely light compared to most WW2 firearms with the notable exception being the M1 Carbine.
Nice chart but are we talking about dry weights or lock 'n load ones?
Because the latter would make things kinda complicated. For example PPSH41: heavy-ass drum mag or regular one?
gravity was different during the interwar period. after the first nukes were tested it messed with earth's gravitational field and made some things heavier.
Because they knew in the distant future some noodle armed twinkboy might try to shoot it, and they wanted to ensure it would be as uncomfortable as possible for you.
All-milled construction.
When you do the math, the Thompson was the oldest of the "big" submachine guns of WW2. It also went through LOTS of stages that simplified the construction, especially the bolt and firing mechanism.
Loaded weight is roughly the same as a loaded Garand. The real bummer is the awfully long length of pull. I'm no short guy but the time I held a Thompson the angle of my ellbow was a lot larger than 90 degrees. Felt weird and uncomfortable
Thompson had no idea what he was doing. The Tommy is a bad gun and was poorly designed. It doesn't even work according to the supposed principal it was built on. It is heavy, overly complicated, and ludicrously expensive to produce.
It's wildly overbuilt; think of it as the result of somebody taking a late 19th-early 20th century full-size Machine Gun and scaling down, whereas the attitude of most second-generation SMGs was carbinizing a carbine even further
It was built to last
Men were men back then, wasn't heavy back then.
most men were absolute manlets in 1920s
Literally every single primary source we have for Thompson use in WWII says
>We 100% needed it to clear out pill boxes/bunkers/houses/ect and it was invaluable in that roll, but FRICK carrying it
There is some story some anon said was fake where a bong soldier threw his tommy gun in a river so he could get a sten because frick the heavy. Also I know I heard some WWII vet on israelitetube say everyone had to take turns carrying it. Like only one guy in the platoon ever actually shot it, but I guess he had an M1 or a carbine most of the time and they would take turns having to carry the thompson and then have to pass it to him if they ran into a pillbox
The army and marine corp independently tried to get the ordnance board to stop issuing submachine guns and just use carbines. Since a Thompson is 2x the weight of a carbine I totally understand.
>everyone had to take turns carrying it
Eugene Sledge mentioned that in With the Old Breed a couple of times. Even the mortar section thought it was useful enough to lug around.
tommy guns was about as rare in the US Army as the MP40 was with the germans
only about 800k M1s and M1A1s were issued to the army
older M1928s were also issued to the US army, but not in the same amount, bringing the total up to about a million
so this compared with the >1M MP40s made by the germans
but americans didnt hand out tommy guns as standard, squad had 0 SMGs by default
they were all held in the company weapons pool an were handed out if you asked for them
while the squad leader of the german squad always got an MP40 when possible
the M1 carbine ended up being issued in place of SMGs
with late-war squad setups having 1 or 2 carbines in a squad
the M2 carbine with full-auto was indistinguishable from a SMG, with 1 or 2 being issued for close combat
so there would be no recoil
I fired one and I was surprised at how smooth it was
just so you would complain
the 1926 was lighter with a 60 round drum
You think that's heavy? Allow me to introduce myself.
>Let me machine a solid slab of metal and call it the receiver and match it with a heafty bolt cuz lmao gas and locking system.
All of them ww2 smg weights like a m4 or more
>All of them ww2 smg weights like a m4 or more
homie, the Thompson is almost twice as heavy as an M4. The M4 is extremely light compared to most WW2 firearms with the notable exception being the M1 Carbine.
>All of them ww2 smg weights like a m4 or more
an empty thompson is more than an ak with a drum in it
Not OP, but an AK is post WW2. WW2 submachinegun weights:
1. Thompson: 10 lbs
2. Lanchester: 9.5 lbs
3. Owen gun: 9.3 lbs
4. Austen: 8.8 lbs
5. MP40 8.75 lbs
6. PPSH 41: 8 lbs
7. M3 7.95 lbs
8. Sten 7.1 lbs
9. PPD-40 7.1 lbs
10. PPSH 43 6.50 lbs
Other:
1. STG44: 10 lbs
2. M1 Carbine 5.2 lb
No wonder everyone loved the M1 Carnbine
Nice chart but are we talking about dry weights or lock 'n load ones?
Because the latter would make things kinda complicated. For example PPSH41: heavy-ass drum mag or regular one?
Suomi weighs 10.1 lbs
>:DDDDD
gravity was different during the interwar period. after the first nukes were tested it messed with earth's gravitational field and made some things heavier.
Milled steel reciever, heavy bolt. Only later they figured out the optimal amount of firepower, optimal weight, manufacturing procedures etc.
Makes sense.
Because they knew in the distant future some noodle armed twinkboy might try to shoot it, and they wanted to ensure it would be as uncomfortable as possible for you.
>5kg is heavy
Weak ass pussy.
>5kg
In civilized countries we use pounds as a weight of measurement
>civilized country
>no other civilized country than the US uses pounds for weight
keks
>US
>civilized
As much as I fricking hate the US, it is actually civilised.
>> neverserved hasn't carried a rifle around all day before.
it gets heavy by day's end, bud
About the same weight as the Suomi.
The Soumi are defiantly more heavier than the Thompson.
You're firing .45 in full auto anon
Because it's milled from blocks of forged steel.
Shot an mp40 in full auto at a range once and was left astounded at the absolute lack of recoil i could feel. Wonder what a thompsons like.
Nowhere near as smooth
>Wonder what a thompsons like.
the recoil isnt bad but the gun moves around since the ergonomics are horrible. the stock is so bad.
.45 acp gun made out of steel, wood and brass that uses simple blowback to operate
so no modern materials and no locking system
All-milled construction.
When you do the math, the Thompson was the oldest of the "big" submachine guns of WW2. It also went through LOTS of stages that simplified the construction, especially the bolt and firing mechanism.
Loaded weight is roughly the same as a loaded Garand. The real bummer is the awfully long length of pull. I'm no short guy but the time I held a Thompson the angle of my ellbow was a lot larger than 90 degrees. Felt weird and uncomfortable
Its made of steel and wood?
Take a guess, genius.
So is the AKM, and yet that thing weighs about 3 pounds less.
The Thompson is legitimately as heavy if not heavier than the M1 Garand.
Thompson had no idea what he was doing. The Tommy is a bad gun and was poorly designed. It doesn't even work according to the supposed principal it was built on. It is heavy, overly complicated, and ludicrously expensive to produce.
It's wildly overbuilt; think of it as the result of somebody taking a late 19th-early 20th century full-size Machine Gun and scaling down, whereas the attitude of most second-generation SMGs was carbinizing a carbine even further