Why the frick aren't they cranking out $50 aluminum monocore suppressors for sporting and hunting use by now?
Why the frick aren't they cranking out $50 aluminum monocore suppressors for sporting and hunting use by now?
Why the frick aren't they cranking out $50 aluminum monocore suppressors for sporting and hunting use by now?
why would you buy a cheap piece of shit if you still have to wait 255 days and pay an additional 200 bucks to get it?
>cheap piece of shit
>he actually fell for the "bro this metal tube with holes in it is actually worth $900" marketing
>aluminum has the same properties as steel and titanium.
ya/herb this whole bad faith thread.
In Europe you can get 3d printed, titanium flow through suppressors for like $100 USD off the shelf and with no wait times. The NFA has completely fricked the american suppressor market.
>In Europe you can get 3d printed, titanium flow through suppressors for like $100 USD
May I see one?
u-uh no
> In Europe you can get 3d printed, titanium flow through suppressors for like $100 USD
Really? Like which specific ones?
Black person the titanium alone is worth $100.
Frick ya mudda
Put a stellite blast/secondary baffle, and let the rest be 7075t6. Whole stack removable, steel tube, hub threaded, endcap compatible with silencerco, and the whole thing be $400.
Would be great.
since you are obviously a design engineer, manufacturing expert and marketing genius, go do it. Go do it. you figured it out before anyone else, make a million dollars.
Its nothing about design engineering required. Its literally a scaling question, so someone with the supply line of raw material to build this could easily do it.
I’m but a humble home gamer. If I was palmetto though, I wouldnt scoff at the opportunity since they operate on a scale thats on par with ruger/fn.
Going by this logic nothing ever should be invented ever because the creators of most novel ideas/inventions aren't the ones who end up manufacturing and selling them.
I told him to do it. he's got it all figured out! he's broken the code and will have the market cornered.
>the whole thing be $400
You're an idiot, YHM cans often sell for less than that.
> and the whole thing be $400
YHM and Otter Creek say hello
It's easier to pay $250 than $400-1000. Due to the tax stamp, more advanced suppressors will probably always be more popular, but there will also still be a place for the low-end market.
The $50 mono-core aluminum suppressor might be good enough for certain applications. Some people pay $75 plus tax stamp for a threaded adapter to put automotive oil filters on the end of their gun.
This. I don't need it to be full auto capable, I can't afford a machinegun
Does that work, practically speaking? I thought if you did the the filter would be considered a suppressor part and you couldn’t replace it without doing another Form.
If I can shoot out the filter and then just buy another at autozone, with only the adapter being serialized, I might actually consider doing this.
What the hell are they doing that doesn’t happen with a 4473 check that takes ~20 minutes? I’ve never understood why this takes so long.
>What the hell are they doing that doesn’t happen with a 4473 check that takes ~20 minutes? I’ve never understood why this takes so long.
please understand, the goal was to make the overhead and expense so great that it would effectively be a ban. they are just trying to enforce the spirit of the law.
no you can't.
yes, because that's what reality is. if I could buy a can for 100 bucks on a instantaneous 4473, I would. my 4473s take like, 35 seconds. but I can't, so you bet your ass I'm going to make sure that something that took ~1% of my fricking life to get isn't gonna be a piece of shit like he recommended making. the money is cheaper to me than my time.
>It's easier to pay $250 than $400-1000.
to be totally honest, my purely disposable income with respect to 8-9 months of waiting makes the difference between 250 and 1000 dollars totally irrelevant. that's what the wait does. I suspect most people that can get a luxury recreational good like a suppressor can find 150 bucks when balanced against nearly an entire year's budget.
Preach Anon.
Do you enjoy making figurative dick sucking posts? You absolutely french kissed that guy's glans there. For frick's sake, grow a spine, Anon.
Not him, but getting positive responses is nice. He kept it short, wasn't elaborately sycophantic.
then make a rational argument against any of my points you sniveling assmad homosexual.
the wait, not the stamp cost causes the shift towards higher end suppressors in the United States. that's the reality of the situation. if transfers were rapid there would be a place in the market for used cans, which are obscenely rare now. so people treat suppressor purchases as things more permanent than a fricking home or car. in 10 years I probably won't be driving the same car I am today. I have absolutely no intention of changing my possession of any of the cans I own thus far.
>then make a rational argument
Like "preach anon"?
that was someone agreeing with me. if you can't address the core arguments he is agreeing with, your statement is as vapid and worthless as his.
>oh ehm gee, how could you just agree with him? uhg.
we get it, you can't refute it.
lol I was agreeing with him you idiot. I had nothing to add because I felt his argument was succinct.
>I suspect most people that can get a luxury recreational good like a suppressor can find 150 bucks when balanced against nearly an entire year's budget.
You are correct. For me it was never about the extra money, it’s about paying a good amount of money, getting fingerprinted like a criminal, and waiting 8-12 months for something being artificially held up. I hated the game so I didn’t want to play it.
I don't recall the details, but the thing comes with an oil filter already on it with the paint stripped off. I think the can itself might have been marked. Perhaps people replace the can and counterfeit the markings?
That right there is the mentality behind companies who overprice their suppressors.
>why would you buy a cheap piece of shit if you still have to wait 255 days and pay an additional 200 bucks to get it?
Because some people own more than 1 gun and aren't poor. Which is ironic considering...
You have to pay 200 dollars for a tax stamp on an expensive suppressor too. Why do you WANT to be overcharged?
>muh poorgays
Overspending on luxury goods you don’t need is a good way to guarantee you’ll be permanently poor
buddy it's $200 you can afford a suppressor working a minimum wage job at mcdonalds. those people have xboxes and they cost more than that
people live outside of their means all the time, see hellcats sitting outside of the ghetto housing for an example.
okay what does that have to do with the fact that you can afford the means to buy a supressor even if you're unemployed. its $200. i was like sixteen and bought a computer for $500 and you're telling me that people can't afford a $200 tax stamp
there's so many problems with the nfa and you're just trying to posture over $200 like it makes you not poor. buddy, it's $200. if you think that's a lot of money you're poor.
Would you pay 200 dollars for Cracker Jack box? No? Why not are you poor or something?
Just because you can afford something doesn’t mean that’s what it’s actually worth.
A $1000 suppressor and a $200 tax stamp is between $100-150 per month if you spread that over the wait period of 8-12 months. That’s not very much for a hobby or entertainment for most people with jobs making $70k+ or over the age of 30.
That suppressor will also last your entire life. No one would bat an eye at spending $1200 on a laptop that might last 5 years.
You are missing the point
>something that provides tangible performance increases for a purchase that lasts a lifetime, all for the cost of eating out twice a month is actually just a pile shit
What cans do you own anon?
they're working on other stuff
laws would have to change in order to make it worth their time.
if they could pump out $50 cheapo suppressors and send them right to your door, they would; but they can't so they won't bother to begin with
Since suppressors are NFA items and a pain in the ass to get, the US market has gone high end. The affordable segment just doesn't exist in the US like it does in Europe. Repeal the NFA and that would change over night.
PSA should sell groceries and include a free gun so they can atually accept food stamps as payment
free ar-15 with $250 food purchase
The PSA and Food Lion merger has been in the works for a long time. Give it a few more years, you’ll see what I mean..
There's basically two types of people who want silencers.
People with enough disposable income and/or saving discipline to buy a nice one, and people who couldn't afford the $200 tax if you offered them one for free.
There's no market for a $50 can.
>but I'd buy one
No, you wouldn't.
This.
Several companies make suppressors in Europe for markets where they're either completely unregulated or only require a token sum to register them, and they still cost nowhere near $50.
The absolute cheapest bargain bin .22 LR suppressors are around $250.
>The absolute cheapest bargain bin .22 LR suppressors are around $250.
Lol no most 22lr cans are priced around 50-100 euroshekels
What makes a can good? The F&D ultimate 3d is an excellent can for any type of mobile hunting and its barely 500€. I have zero need for a larperating can rated for mag dumping an entire monthly wage worth of ammo in 60 seconds.
For range fun im thinking about a a-tec prs but that is also a bit below the 1000 mark
are you fricking moronic? what is the point of having money if it isn't to secure your well being and then enjoy your life?
why not drive the cheapest possible shitbox car?
why not never go on vacation?
why not just live in squalor with a dragon's horde in your bank account?
why fricking work hard and make good money unless it's to provide yourself and your family security (first) and enjoyment (second)?
also, show me a cheap suppressor that will handle .458 Lott and we'll discuss what exactly you mean by overpaying.
>also, show me a cheap suppressor that will handle .458 Lott and we'll discuss what exactly you mean by overpaying.
Stalon Whisper Magnum, ~€300
>.30 cal can
>use on a .458 Lott
Tell me how that’s going to work anon
I think it has been made in .458 before, a quick google in Swedish turned up people who use it with .458 WM and Lott
The Stalon website does not list a single .458 diameter can. Let alone one rated for a .458 Lott
>https://www.stalonsilencer.com/
If I missed it point it out. I’m not being a dick, I don’t see it if it exists.
Regardless if they do or don’t, do you honestly not grasp why someone doesn’t mind spending another $500 for something that lasts a lifetime vs an aluminum can which will eventually fail/degrade? You don’t know when that’ll be and having to wait the better part of a year for a replacement is super gay.
It's probably OOP because lots of suppressor models are for whatever reason. A-Tec makes a .458 can but I have no idea what it's rated for, likely .458WM because that's still reasonably common here while Lott isn't.
The mid-tier (€300-400) stuff is mostly titanium or stainless, not aluminium. F&D are the exception because their whole point is being ultralight for fudds
They make 458 Winchester ready suppressors
>not on Stalon's website and not sold in the United States
>458 Winchester ready suppressors
please link to them rating them for Lott and where to buy them in the United States.
>neither posts addresses the core of the argument.
Man, I wonder why I horked out the money for a Banish 46?
yeah+thread killed.
$200 is how much a cheap gun costs, if the barrier was only a $200 tax then i would have a surpressor. the fact that you have to go through a six month background check where you have to jump through hoops, tell them where you live, tell them where you're keeping the supressor, and are legally required by law to tell them where you're keeping it and tell them when you move it across state lines, is only something a moron would do
it's not about $200, it's never been about $200. i impulse purchase $200 all the time. i'd purchase a $200 tax stamp if it wasn't an elaborate scheme to make you justify doing something against your own value system because an authority is dangling something over your head that makes you feel like you're financially responsible if you buy it.
the only people who would do something like that are circumcised, guaranteed
You right in everything you said, except you don’t need tell the ATF when you move it across state lines
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/form/application-transport-interstate-or-temporarily-export-certain-nfa-firearms-atf
>This form is used to obtain permission to temporarily or permanently move your registered National Firearms Act (NFA) machine gun, short barreled rifle or shotgun, or destructive device interstate.
Regulatory overhead is why suppressors are expensive, not manufacturing cost
Not really. High end suppressors are just as expensive in Europe.
You dumb moron, they lean on the expensive side in the US because of the NFA
Genuinely, have you ever been to a gun store in the UK? They've got RC2s and Sakers and all that shit over there as well, they're priced very similarly - if not more expensive, because it's an American product and regarded as being higher quality.
You're fricking moronic, bro.
>High end suppressors are just as expensive in Europe.
Well - no. They cost maybe half of what a similar can goes for in the US. The exception is B&T because the mountain israelites know what they got
>The exception is B&T because the mountain israelites know what they got
What they got is outdated trash that they shill for moronic prices because they have military contracts.
Ase Utra and Silent Steel cans shit all over B&T.
Exactly
But they also have the only NATO flash hider-compatible suppressors for sale in Finland (and Sweden) because AU don't sell theirs here for whatever reason
>Why the frick aren't they cranking out $50 aluminum monocore suppressors for sporting and hunting use by now?
Too much regulatory nonsense, but here's another flat top M4 clone if your interested.
I think if NFA items weren't behind a $200 additional tax that people would complain a lot less about having to wait.
I suggest a two-tiered system of NFA taxes and wait times:
>tier 1: Poverty tier
Free tax stamp, standard wait time.
>tier 2: Gucci NATO deathsquad tier
$200 tax stamp, 90 days at the most guaranteed
How about you suggest abolishing the NFA? What the frick is up with your compromise and appeasement solutions?
I'm 100% in favor of abolishing the AFT and repealing the NFA. I'm also not a head-in-the-sand idealist.
>I'm also not a head-in-the-sand idealist.
The most likely solution to the NFA issue actually is abolishment. Nobody on either side is going to stand for it being merely modified. The only way it goes is with a crushing defeat.
The point of the NFA and BFAT isn't to make sense or make anyone's life easier, it's to make gun ownership as much of an embuggerance as possible. They wanted to ban everything except a shotgun or bolt action hunting rifle and they've been seething about not being able to for nearly a hundred years. If they'd thought they'd lose, they'd have made the tax inflation adjusted.
Explain how’d you be able to remove the tax stamp for basic b***h aluminum monocores for .22s and stuff, but not for everything else. Really I’d like to know how you think that would go down.
I suggest you have a nice day. So you want to change the NFA, have the ability to change it in your scenario, but don’t completely remove the wait times, tax stamps, or the NFA entirely? Cool.
because Wix 24003 and Aliexpress exist now frick right the frick off you little shit
>for sporting and hunting use
what did he mean by this?
NFA and the associated bullshit. In Europe, they would be. They're not doing it for the Euro market either because of ITAR export bullshit, same reason you don't find cheap American guns in Europe.
>release $100 can
>cheapest on the market by far
>even cheaper than low end .22pr cans
>decide to order one
>$100 can
>$200 stamp
>$100 transfer fee
>$400 for a piece of shit
This is why cheap cans don't really take off. A $100 can is also a pipe dream. $2-300 for intermediate cartridges is more likely based in aero's pricing for theirs. That puts you up to $5-600 when you could just get the real thing for 9-1100.
In europe you can get what americans would consider boutique suppressors for pennies.
May I see them?
>In europe you can get what americans would consider boutique suppressors for pennies.
No you can't. Decent cans are upwards of $500, actually good ones are around $1k.
You don't actually own one.
What Europeans consider upmarket is around the €600 mark
Link to two examples of these cans?
Presuming the rule of "you get what you pay for" applies what's the point of a dirt cheap suppressor if hearing protection is cheaper and you have the NFA fee to deal with anyway?
Does this thread really justify 60 posts?
*AHEM*
>Suppressor market is not like other markets
>You have to pay ~400 bucks to be able to partake in the market
>Why would you spend ~400 and then buy a cheap suppressor
It’s simply not cost effective given the current market and restrictions in the US unfortunately