Why not bring back flak guns in a higher caliber with giga velocity and radar guided proximity fuse munitions.

Why not bring back flak guns in a higher caliber with giga velocity and radar guided proximity fuse munitions. Like would it be possible to make the flak 40 but double the caliber, velocity, and range. It would serve as an additional layer of short range air defense. Would be limited by all the things that limit missiles and radar still, but would be cheaper.

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    doubling the size of the shell and doubling the speed on the range don't go really together, especially when you consider barrel duration.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Erm, dude, what do you think dual-purpose guns on modern warships are doing?

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Oh look, another "teenage/manchild is intentionally moronic" thread.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      He's fundamentally correct about everything.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    What if i told you they already exist but the two countries who could use them the most threw the radar away and use them as light artillery instead?

    Would you also believe that one of those nations has two allies with new modernized versions ready to sell but doesn't buy them because they don't have anyone who can operate them despite being the nation who first built them?

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >make the flak 40 but double the caliber, velocity, and range
    Or I could make an interceptor missile that's ten times as good, requires far less in infrastructure and packs a warhead several times the size of a similar sized shell, meaning I can make it smaller and cheaper

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      No one is going to build a new large scale flak network, besides using legacy systems for protecting single targets or leasing a significant portion of the KPLA it isn't happening.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You can get even better velocity and range if you stick that HE prox fused projectile on the end of a rocket instead of shooting it from a gun.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      To be fair the KS-19 posted above actually outranges most smaller portable missile systems and is significantly faster.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You mean a weapon that weighs 10 tons and requires a 15 man crew outranges a weapon that weighs 30 pounds and requires a 1 man crew?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          For defense of a fixed position it's fine, especially if you can use personnel that are not suited to the front line. Especially as at the moment they aren't using MANPADs they are using Patriots and Gepards which cost far more.

          I am not advocating building new systems, simply using ones that already exist. For that the KS-19 is available in useful numbers.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >8000 rounds to down one bomber
    >VT fuse reduces that number by half
    >Modern 57mm VT fuse frag costs $5000
    Duh.
    $2mil in rounds and needs 8 guns battery firing 20 minutes non stop
    Duh.
    Now you get why SAMs are thing

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      What goes up must come down, including flak.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        No they don't. They have automatically timed fuzes so if they don't get close enough to set off the proximity sensor they airburst anyway.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The Army is trying to do that with 155mm hypersonic projectile cannons with the Multi Domain Artillery Cannon system. The primary use will be air defense.

    https://twitter.com/AirPowerNEW1/status/1779154618208940156?t=l06HsApC97yrHEMaBN3yUw&s=19

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      So yeah. High caliber flak is back. HVP fired from a Paladin has always shot down a cruise missiles in trials.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/rG2onVn.jpeg

      So yeah. High caliber flak is back. HVP fired from a Paladin has always shot down a cruise missiles in trials.

      Ukraine has two KN-19 batteries that are used as ground artillery, they probably scrapped the radar and FCS before the war. Be interesting to see if they are trying to rebuild the fire control system for drones.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      ERCA was just canceled. I am not sure US MIC can handle any complex artillery programs.
      >wheels, lightweight, C-130 transportable
      Heard that song 20 years ago with FCS (remember this future?). DOA.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        ERCA was canceled and this was started in the same budget release.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why don't they just use these to shoot down satellites?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      it would cause kep1er syndrome

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        So you're saying that it terms of making Ace Combat real it would be killing two birds with one stone.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Russia should have some KS-30 in storage however they are probably rusted to junk and it seems they never bothered to make a proximity fuses. Naval ammo should work however the guns are probably inoperable, they kept the KS-19 around alot longer since it was a far more modern weapon.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    God I wish that was used in 9/11

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