Why no copperhead for Ukraine? Laser guided shell is even more precise than gps one. And a bit cheaper at that.

Why no copperhead for Ukraine? Laser guided shell is even more precise than gps one. And a bit cheaper at that. Is designator the hard part?

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    but it was sent

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Eh? Haven't seen a single but if info about it

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Range is short (10mi) due to poor aerodynamics and the warhead is a 15lb shaped charge. You need someone or a drone on-site to paint the target and there can't be low clouds.

        I think one of the recent drone-filmed precision strikes was this. Explosion was too small for M982 Excalibur and looked almost like an RPG hit.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Didn't know about the short range, it's a big downside under current circumstances

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why bother when the ukes can just walk 152 or 155mm onto abandooned T-72s in their scrapes because the crew fucked off.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Ammo logistics. Also the level of precision would be very useful against trenches and strong points. Why fire 50 shells at a trench with maybe a couple hitting the mark, when you can airburst single laser guided one directly above, clearing it out

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >when you can airburst single laser guided one directly above, clearing it out
        They are impact or time fuzed only, no proximity fuzing. You can't airburst them. Fragmentation effects are also likely poor due to it being optimized as a impact-fuzed shaped charge warhead.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Ok, then they are not as useful as i thought, i concede. Since you're knowledge about munitions, do you think that USA/rest of NATO still holds a large stock of M26 missiles? They were supposed to be destroyed, but some rus bloggers claim recent use

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I doubt we faked the destruction of the the unguided M26 stockpiles and I doubt Ukraine would use even the guided M30 as they risk scattering uxo all over their own land. Russians maybe confusing the effects of the M30A1 that we know are being used with the older cluster munition GMLRS.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >destruction of the the unguided M26 stockpiles
              i thoughed they were listed as emergency reserve or something.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          shaped charge works really whel against bunker and strongpoints and mg nests

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        You're describing what ukraine already has in the form of krasnopol and those other various laser guided shells plus excalibur
        >logistics
        Actually from a cost and logistics point of view it makes fine sense to hit armour with regular arty. Partly because Ukrainian arty is deadly accurate and they seem to be having great success using single guns for fire missions against point targets with hits gained in only a couple of shots. Ammo isn't an issue as they've been going on about Ukraine running out of shells since at least april and it hasn't happened yet, especially now that they've captured huge russian shell dumps in the current offensives. And yeah, you would use regular arty to attack a trench system, it's an area target. You'd save your excaliburs and krasnopols for any juicy target that pops up, like that counterbattery radar that got murked recently. If you want a precision attack on a trench you can get even better economy by asking the friendly neighbourhood quadcopter to zip over and drop a ghettorigged VOG on them as they cook breakfast.

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    No real point. Excalibir and Bonus best the fuck outta it.

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    They stopped manufacturing copperhead in 1990. They're probably all past their expiration date by now

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Does USA have more modern laser guided shell? Or they decided it doesn't fit their doctrine?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Pretty sure Excalibur got SAL guidance with Increment 1b.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Raytheon developed Excalibur S with a laser seeker and Excalibur N5 127mm for the navy. I think only the navy use it
        For the most part since it was developed, the military have had no problems achieving precision strike on land targets with Hellfire, Paveway, APKWS, Switchblade and Spike NLOS though, so the need for procuring the S seeker for the Army has been minimal.
        I suspect that will change now.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      That's a good reason to dump them on Ukraine.
      The vast majority should still be good for use. Rus are firing shells from more than half a century ago.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        The US only had about 17,000 left in inventory in 1995. I imagine this has decreased significantly in the following 30 years either through US firings, sending them to partner nations like Taiwan and Lebanon, and shells that expired.
        The US were able to replenish around 1000 rounds fired by Lebanon at ISIS targets in 2017, but after that there's no indication of how many are in stock in the US

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    SMART style shells don’t need a designator on the ground

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The real question is why we don't see more tv guidance. Its super cheap you can literally make one at home

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Nobody's watching TV anymore grandpa.

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