Wrong. You may not shoot at anyone with a protected symbol even if they are carrying a weapon. They are only availed of their protected status if they are actively engage in combat operations.
Coincidentally rolling up to an enemy position to pick up casualties counts, they arent immune to being attacked and you have to basically open fire on an undefended triage site to get war crime allegations.
>Coincidentally rolling up to an enemy position to pick up casualties counts
You may not shoot at marked vehicles unless they are actively engaged in combat operations >they arent immune to being attacked
They are unless they engage in combat operation
>being at a firing position is being engaged in combat >being at a firing position >The only times these symbols matter is when breakthroughs happen
So the enemy can kill any medic present at a firing position when they attack, but not after they break through?
If an armed medic is charging your position, you can engage them.
If an armed medic is defending his position against your attack, you can engage them.
If you attack a position, and an armed medic is treating wounded who are no longer capable of fighting, you can not attack him or the wounded under his care, but you can disarm all involved.
3 months ago
Anonymous
If the medic is visibly armed (or even just the casualty being treated), you can still shoot him. They're still a moment away from shooting you and they're not actually surrendering at that point. If the medic has all the weapons unloaded and piled up in the corner of the room (or otherwise has clearly disarmed himself and his casualties), that is when it becomes a war crime to shoot him, even if he keeps treating the casualty instead of putting his hands up. >t. medic
Medics usually just carry a sidearm because the the backpack full of medical supplies is fricking heavy and nobody wants to carry more weight than they have to. If you get into a firefight then you're told to get back and let the grunts do their thing. It's also worth mentioning that most grunts are very protective of Doc in a combat scenario. >t. US Army 68W line medic
I have literally never met a 68W who deployed and did not carry a rifle. The closest I've heard is a secondhand account of a guy who carried a shotgun and a pistol in Iraq, which was also the squad breaching tool.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Also, to add about carrying a rifle - yes weight is an issue, but if you're with a mounted unit then you can keep most of it in vehicles. In light infantry, you divide up some of the equipment, so that one infantryman is carrying a sked and another has extra IV fluids etc.
Really the only point of the symbol is that maybe when retreating you may not get shot at. Outside of a situation where someone takes pity on you the cross does little.
>be Pvt. Chud >see enemy medic >"haha war doesn't have rules, untermensch" >takes potshot at medic >medic fricking annihilates him with an LMG in self-defense
they carry/use guns when their enemies do not follow the geneva convention
If the enemy is "guaranteed"*** to not shoot at your medics, your medics can't shoot anybody in return thus they don't need to carry a gun. If the enemy doesn't give a frick, medics are strapping up.
***literally every single engagement since the conventions were established has seen a good bit of specifically targeting medics
We carry them against all enemies, even those that strictly follow laws of war. The reality is that in most circumstances, you can't tell whether a guy you're shooting at, who is wearing the same uniform as everyone else, is carrying a weapon or not. Especially when the guys around him carry guns. And at that point, if you're going to be shot at anyways, you might as well be an extra gun to lay fire downrange until someone gets hit. Nowadays the only medics who do not carry (and use) guns are the rare conscientious objectors. I didn't have a single one in my 300+ medic training cycle. >t. US army medic
Medics usually just carry a sidearm because the the backpack full of medical supplies is fricking heavy and nobody wants to carry more weight than they have to. If you get into a firefight then you're told to get back and let the grunts do their thing. It's also worth mentioning that most grunts are very protective of Doc in a combat scenario. >t. US Army 68W line medic
Funny story. I was a corpsman back in the day. One of my buddies at camp Lejeune had told his gunny at one point (jokingly) that he thought he should have a M32 GL to put down smoke for hiding pt movement. They issued him the weapon card for it and he had to carry it with his M4 every time he went to the field. I sometimes miss the clowns, just not the circus
Many ways to help people. Sometimes treat and care for the injured and sick. Sometimes kill dangerous people (aka the frickers attacking your aid station)
I find it amusing that all the arguements here are based on the foundation laid by GWOT, and also Vietnam, and even further back during the Pacific of WWII when Medics and Corpsmen were either swapping out or painting over the red cross symbols on their helmets during the island hopping campaigns in the Pacific because it was a giant "shoot here" target for snipers. We were fighting against an enemy who either hadn't even thought of the idea of the Hague Convention or decided it did not apply, so everyone got a gun because the enemy viewed you as an equal combatant. Medics/Corpsman, on paper are A. never armed or B. armed only with a pistol in order defend themselves against an enemy that do not view them as protected.
Actual former combat medic here (91W). We carried a standard b***h A2 and we often trained along side the 11B's. What we were told was that the insurgents don't give a shit about Geneva Conventions so going in unarmed is just suicide. We were taught that we would use our rifle if needed but our primary goal is the treatment of wounded. I was in plenty of firefights will there but never fired my rifle once. I was usually too busy treating wounded.
Always remember that the U.S. Army is pretty big so individual units or divisions may have trained differently. I can only speak for 3rd Infantry Division in the early 2000's.
I should also add that, while I carried a frick huge medic bag, I never war any sort of Red Cross or any specific markings. To my knowledge, the only thing we had with the Red Cross was our dedicated ambulatory vehicles. My M113 may have had a cross on the side. I honestly can't remember and I only drove it in sector once or twice. 99% of the time I was in a Humvee or Bradley with my infantry bro's. I was also assigned to an infantry company so keep that in mind. Dedicated medic squads may have been different. For all intents and purposes I was infantry until someone got hit. Whether that be one of my guys, a civilian, or even an enemy combatant.
Actual former combat medic here (91W). We carried a standard b***h A2 and we often trained along side the 11B's. What we were told was that the insurgents don't give a shit about Geneva Conventions so going in unarmed is just suicide. We were taught that we would use our rifle if needed but our primary goal is the treatment of wounded. I was in plenty of firefights will there but never fired my rifle once. I was usually too busy treating wounded.
Always remember that the U.S. Army is pretty big so individual units or divisions may have trained differently. I can only speak for 3rd Infantry Division in the early 2000's.
They must do needful
When they carry a gun, you are allowed to shoot them.
Wrong. You may not shoot at anyone with a protected symbol even if they are carrying a weapon. They are only availed of their protected status if they are actively engage in combat operations.
Coincidentally rolling up to an enemy position to pick up casualties counts, they arent immune to being attacked and you have to basically open fire on an undefended triage site to get war crime allegations.
>Coincidentally rolling up to an enemy position to pick up casualties counts
You may not shoot at marked vehicles unless they are actively engaged in combat operations
>they arent immune to being attacked
They are unless they engage in combat operation
Being at a firing position is being engaged in combat operations. The only times these symbols matter is when breakthroughs happen or medics get lost
>Being at a firing position is being engaged in combat operations
No. Feel free to check the Hague Convention.
>being at a firing position is being engaged in combat
>being at a firing position
>The only times these symbols matter is when breakthroughs happen
So the enemy can kill any medic present at a firing position when they attack, but not after they break through?
If an armed medic is charging your position, you can engage them.
If an armed medic is defending his position against your attack, you can engage them.
If you attack a position, and an armed medic is treating wounded who are no longer capable of fighting, you can not attack him or the wounded under his care, but you can disarm all involved.
If the medic is visibly armed (or even just the casualty being treated), you can still shoot him. They're still a moment away from shooting you and they're not actually surrendering at that point. If the medic has all the weapons unloaded and piled up in the corner of the room (or otherwise has clearly disarmed himself and his casualties), that is when it becomes a war crime to shoot him, even if he keeps treating the casualty instead of putting his hands up.
>t. medic
I have literally never met a 68W who deployed and did not carry a rifle. The closest I've heard is a secondhand account of a guy who carried a shotgun and a pistol in Iraq, which was also the squad breaching tool.
Also, to add about carrying a rifle - yes weight is an issue, but if you're with a mounted unit then you can keep most of it in vehicles. In light infantry, you divide up some of the equipment, so that one infantryman is carrying a sked and another has extra IV fluids etc.
>t. pidor
Sometimes in order to protect what you love you must attack first
>i must apologise for pau lo. we have purposely trained him wrong, as a joke.
https://www.army.mil/article/262507/combat_medic_is_armys_best_shooter
Really the only point of the symbol is that maybe when retreating you may not get shot at. Outside of a situation where someone takes pity on you the cross does little.
It's not a warcrime to kill the medics if nobody catches you and your buddies don't rat you out
>Be combat medic
>moron enemy opens fire despite being against da rules
>Have no gun to fire back
>Die
medics get shot at all the time
To kill stupid moron like the ones ITT who would open fire one someone with a protected symbol.
>be Pvt. Chud
>see enemy medic
>"haha war doesn't have rules, untermensch"
>takes potshot at medic
>medic fricking annihilates him with an LMG in self-defense
What kind of an butthole platoon makes the medic carry an aid bag and the machine gun?
they carry/use guns when their enemies do not follow the geneva convention
If the enemy is "guaranteed"*** to not shoot at your medics, your medics can't shoot anybody in return thus they don't need to carry a gun. If the enemy doesn't give a frick, medics are strapping up.
***literally every single engagement since the conventions were established has seen a good bit of specifically targeting medics
We carry them against all enemies, even those that strictly follow laws of war. The reality is that in most circumstances, you can't tell whether a guy you're shooting at, who is wearing the same uniform as everyone else, is carrying a weapon or not. Especially when the guys around him carry guns. And at that point, if you're going to be shot at anyways, you might as well be an extra gun to lay fire downrange until someone gets hit. Nowadays the only medics who do not carry (and use) guns are the rare conscientious objectors. I didn't have a single one in my 300+ medic training cycle.
>t. US army medic
I think they start the war. I'll quote the warrior poet manowar.
THERE HAS BEEN MUCH KILLING
THERE WILL BE MUCH MORE
THE MEDICINE MAN IS DANCING
HE'S CALLING US TO WAR
HATCHES SING WITH PRIDE
LET THE WHITE MAN DIE
Best medicines is not fire superiorities, it is motrin and fresh socks
Don't forget water, staying hydrated is very important.
Medics usually just carry a sidearm because the the backpack full of medical supplies is fricking heavy and nobody wants to carry more weight than they have to. If you get into a firefight then you're told to get back and let the grunts do their thing. It's also worth mentioning that most grunts are very protective of Doc in a combat scenario.
>t. US Army 68W line medic
Funny story. I was a corpsman back in the day. One of my buddies at camp Lejeune had told his gunny at one point (jokingly) that he thought he should have a M32 GL to put down smoke for hiding pt movement. They issued him the weapon card for it and he had to carry it with his M4 every time he went to the field. I sometimes miss the clowns, just not the circus
Many ways to help people. Sometimes treat and care for the injured and sick. Sometimes kill dangerous people (aka the frickers attacking your aid station)
OP, what untamed African shithole are you posting from? Even Pajeets know the word "medic"
I find it amusing that all the arguements here are based on the foundation laid by GWOT, and also Vietnam, and even further back during the Pacific of WWII when Medics and Corpsmen were either swapping out or painting over the red cross symbols on their helmets during the island hopping campaigns in the Pacific because it was a giant "shoot here" target for snipers. We were fighting against an enemy who either hadn't even thought of the idea of the Hague Convention or decided it did not apply, so everyone got a gun because the enemy viewed you as an equal combatant. Medics/Corpsman, on paper are A. never armed or B. armed only with a pistol in order defend themselves against an enemy that do not view them as protected.
I should also add that, while I carried a frick huge medic bag, I never war any sort of Red Cross or any specific markings. To my knowledge, the only thing we had with the Red Cross was our dedicated ambulatory vehicles. My M113 may have had a cross on the side. I honestly can't remember and I only drove it in sector once or twice. 99% of the time I was in a Humvee or Bradley with my infantry bro's. I was also assigned to an infantry company so keep that in mind. Dedicated medic squads may have been different. For all intents and purposes I was infantry until someone got hit. Whether that be one of my guys, a civilian, or even an enemy combatant.
Actual former combat medic here (91W). We carried a standard b***h A2 and we often trained along side the 11B's. What we were told was that the insurgents don't give a shit about Geneva Conventions so going in unarmed is just suicide. We were taught that we would use our rifle if needed but our primary goal is the treatment of wounded. I was in plenty of firefights will there but never fired my rifle once. I was usually too busy treating wounded.
Always remember that the U.S. Army is pretty big so individual units or divisions may have trained differently. I can only speak for 3rd Infantry Division in the early 2000's.
The only way to kill a medic is to jerk them off to death
t. Medic