Why isn't .32 popular in small carry handguns anymore? Seems better suited for the job
Why isn't .32 popular in small carry handguns anymore? Seems better suited for the job
Why isn't .32 popular in small carry handguns anymore? Seems better suited for the job
Because its expensive. People who rarely shoot will buy guns chambered in 5.56, 9mm, .38 spl, .22 LR, and .308 because they don't want their investment to be too expensive later on. Why spend so much money on .25 acp, .32 acp, .32 H&R ammo when you can get tiny guns in 9mm nowadays, more power for a similar price.
People who do shoot a lot will buy guns in the same caliber so they can train with cheaper ammo therefore train more. They might own all kinds of guns, but they use the ones chambered in those calibers pretty often.
It would be less expensive if people bought more pistols chambered for it, heck 380 is kind of expensive. Seems like a chicken and the egg argument.
>.38 spl, .22 LR, and .308
can confirm
Because the saturday night specials ban killed the market for very small, concealable pistols; and by the time the market rebounded, 22lr, 380, and 9mm filled the void.
I wish .25 and .32 were more popular though, since carrying 22 lr in anything but revolvers is sketchy.
>the saturday night specials ban killed the market for very small, concealable pistols
If that was true then Kel Tec wouldn't be around. Their original success were the tiny single-stack handguns in tiny calibers.
moron. The dozens of other companies that went bankrupt or stopped importing guns to america are more illustrative of the time.
>The dozens of other companies that went bankrupt or stopped importing guns to america are more illustrative of the time.
The "Ring of Fire" companies were manufacturing guns made of nickel that were blowing up in consumers hands. Don't act like it was the cartridge's fault. Take your jimenez arms, jennings, bryco arms, cobra arms, pheonix arms, and raven arms and shove them up your ass you mongoloid.
phoenix arms rules, nerd
>Because the saturday night specials ban killed the market for very small, concealable pistols; and by the time the market rebounded, 22lr, 380, and 9mm filled the void.
Even though they are apparently American made, I like how nowadays you can get a .380, a 9mm, a .40, a .45, and a 10mm pistol for less than $1,000 from Hi Point.
Honestly more cost effective than trying to get a real glock in each of those calibers, although for practical purposes these days, it would probably make more sense to just get 2 9mm Hi Points.
It’s very fun to shoot and cool but it does kinda suck at actually killing people, where .380 is much more potent even.
The .32 was probably developed to shoot large breed dogs with.
Apparently back when bicycles first became popular, dogs chasing bicyclists and attacking them was a real pervasive problem, plus, there being no SPCA or suchlike to catch and spay/neuter strays, cities were overrun with packs of semi-feral mongrels.
.32 will kill just as well as 9mm or 380 only you're probably more likely to hit the target with a small 32 handgun
Because .380 exists and hits harder from similar size guns.
Could you have picked a worse example of a pocket 380 to post? I say this as someone sitting at my desk with a Pico in the drawer. How Beretta managed to make something like this is baffling. Once you actually practice with it, it works, but you better follow through with your trigger pull or you'll get a light strike. I dread the one range trip a month I actually take it to practice with. It makes 380 feel more like 357 from an airwieght. I can see why they got rid of it from their catalog.
.22 fits more, has the same power, lower recoil and MUCH lower cost per round. .32 is for obstinate gays, not actual use.
Manufacturers have been trying very recently to get 32 back on the market. 30SC is actually just super spicy 32ACP, and only forgoes the 32 connection because 32ACP is seen as an anemic cartridge. Before that, the introduction of 327 Federal Magnum (which is just extra hot 32H&R Mag, which itself is just a magnum of 32S&W) was an attempt to make a 32 cal round the new standard in small frame revolvers.
It obviously has some great advantages. Better capacity, especially in a revolver bringing the number of rounds in a J-Frame sized revolver to 6 (or 7 to 8 in a medium to large revolver). Lightened recoil in 30SC (although only mildly), however, 327FM has equal felt recoil to 38spl load I've found. It really only leaves capacity as the deciding factor, and when it comes to deciding between carrying 13+1 of 9×19 in your hellcat or 16+1 of 30SC in something like a S&W Shield, the difference seems negligible for the regular user. Especially when you need to now buy a more niche, expensive caliber. And, yes, the price would go down if the caliber caught on, but it would never reach 9×19 prices due to the massive number firearms chambered in it over 30SC.
In the case of 32ACP and 32H&R Mag, the market has come to value stopping power, and 38 caliber rounds are seen as the minimum size to be effective. ft/lbs is the name of the game, and 32ACP and 32H&R Mag don't meet the current standard that's been decided. A sad reality of most daily carriers is that most don't shoot their carry gun very often, and pretty much none of them will actually need to use it (that one's at least a good thing). Because of this, even though I find something like an LCP or Hellcat to be a dismal shooter for the range, and I couldn't carry one because I wouldn't trust myself to shoot it enough to become proficient with it, that's not what most buyers are after. They want the most power in the smallest package possible (well still technically being useable), and shootability be damned.
>30SC is actually just super spicy 32ACP
It's spicy 7.65 Long, with 1mm on the case. It's got nothing in common with .32 ACP.
Except it has the same bullet diameter as 32 ACP, which is bigger than 7.65 Long's bullet diameter.
too much SOVL for 2024
So true
> If guns like this were still made it would be worth phasing everything from the 2000s out of existence
I did not mean to greentext that
That must be a sweet shooting revolver, I love .32 S&W Long
You can't be a super cool operator dude with 17+1 capacity and a flashlight like John Wick
because a Black person high on crack might not me stopped by it unless you shoot it in the head like if he was a zombie
People have this weird impression that "ANYTHING SMALLER THAN 9MM WILL GET YOU KILLED"
I think with the new S&W J-Frames in .32 H&R, .32 H&R will start to catch on. .32 H&R is infinitely more shootable than .38 Special in a snub, while offering 6 rounds and similar performance.
You can also shoot .32 S&W Long, which is even lower recoil, and offers good penetration with wadcutters or hardcasts.
I've already retired my 642. .32 is awesome.
Exactly. All handgun calibers suck, nobody chooses a handgun for combat it's a last resort. I'd rather have more rounds with manageable recoil so it's more accurate.
The PPK for example was designed around .32 it's entire service length but the bean counters will tell you it's somehow better in 380 because it just is.
is semi rimmed so you cant double stack it easily and people kept putting it in snappy blowback guns
I've been carrying a North American Arms .32 Guardian since the late 90s as my philosophy is that ease of concealed carry is the #1 aspect of a CPL handgun because if that gat is too big and bulky and a pain in the ass to carry all day erry day, it'll be left at home where it's worse than useless.
How do you like that gun? What's the recoil like?
>How do you like that gun?
I like it. I carry it in a KNJ brand padded nylon pocket holster that slips easily in my back pocket and is no larger then a conventional wallet, which allows me to wear normal clothes and not always have a shit hanging outside by pants like a sloppy wigger punk and because of the convenience, I've always got with me.
>What's the recoil like?
Annoyingly harsh, as it's small and light and you can only hold it with your thumb and middle finger but then its purpose is to be a personal protection CPL carry gun. It's not intended for building clearing missions in Fallujah, it's for shooting a mugger or car jacker at point blank range.
>Why isn't .32 popular in small carry handguns anymore?
Everyone saw what happened to bad, bad, Leroy Brown. He carried a .32 gun in his pocket for fun, but it didn't save him like a .38 would have.
It's easy to make you. You've got your .38 and Book of Revelation.
Almost all the plataforms are badly outdated
Almost
32 h&r magnum is the ultimate boomer caliber for people who don't shoot their guns, because it's like $1.25 a round and there's only two bullets being manufactured. you can buy 32 s&w long for a little bit more than 357 magnum (50 cents per round) but its all lead round nose lol
i think its a fine round but it's filled this weird niche as a snubnose caliber where i feel like the low mass of the bullet and the low velocity of the round through a 1 inch barrel make it an absolutely ass choice for that compromise even if you do get one more shot. 10 rounds in an N frame would be frickin based and the bullets would be screaming out the barrel. but, no, we get 6 shot j frames that fart out subsonic bullets
Because the 90s was full of boomers scared shitless that they were going to get caught in the ghetto after dark and raped by crackhead gangbangers wearing body armor.
There's only two kinds of gun owners: hobbyists and the paranoid. The latter will NEVER feel secure and keep a spare gun up their butthole just so they're never caught off-guard. Gun magazines catered to these idiots and manufacturers responded to it.
also the gun magazines and basically almost all avenues for marketing guns have yet to fulcrum their marketing tactics to younger generations. and i'm not talking about 'young people' i mean they literally haven't even started marketing towards gen x at all, they gun industry is still releasing guns with 60s nostalgia based on fear of missing out. it's insane
so it's not just that it's for hobbyists and the paranoid, it's also the fact that boomers are ridiculously paranoid and do not distinguish 'hobby' and 'lifestyle' so your average gun store experience is generally just you trying to ignore some dork who thinks that guns are only for competition shooting or for concealed carry and the internet is full of people b***hing about it
>.32 the most popular pocket caliber in the first half of the 20th century
>Suddenly concealed carry stops being common for the average citizen
>The main market for concealable revolvers is now the police
>Police departments want only 1 type of ammo for issuing to officers
>Snub nose revolvers abandon .32 S&W Long and double down on 158gr .38 Special to target the police
If you just have a J-frame (or I frame), then yeah it is basically built for .32 long, and for civilians it legitimately is kind of perfect. Now if your a police department who owns a bunch of Official Police's or Model 10s, then yeah when you are getting snub noses your gonna get them in the same ammo, and police sales are what drove the market in the mid 20th century
because 9mm pocket guns are perfectly usable
so usable you apparently need a compensator
why wouldnt i want to make my gun easier to shoot with no downsides?
I would consider the added noise and potential flash from the compensator to be downsides, but to each his own
Because .380 and .38 Spc are better than .32 Acp and .32 H&R.
Your Mom seems suited for the job.