Why is U.S.A. not giving cluster bombs to Ukraine? Afraid of provoking Russia? Also would these munitions play a decisive factor in the war?
Why is U.S.A. not giving cluster bombs to Ukraine? Afraid of provoking Russia?
Why is U.S.A. not giving cluster bombs to Ukraine? Afraid of provoking Russia? Also would these munitions play a decisive factor in the war?
Because they're politically unpalatable and leave a ton of uxo.
that's not a cluster bomb dumbass.
with what planes do you think the ukrainians have ro drop cluster bombs
Artillery planes, like AC-130
>disassemble cluster
>put bomblets on drones
common sense innit
most cluster bombs are lobbed from artillery shells dumbass.
Because we have laws that forbid us from exporting cluster munitions.
Because Turkey is filling that need for Ukraine already
Why? So the Russians can capture those too?
that's NERVE GAS
It's a Sarin Warhead for the Honest John long range missile that only Turkey still uses.
based Turkey.
imagine the kino if turkey and greece fight
turkey is supplying ukraine with cluster munitions
they actually do. case closed
the US does not have any cluster munitions in either storage or in active use. the closet thing we gave them was an artillery shell that will deploy anti-armor mines.
Yes they do. There are piles and piles of ICM projectiles and air dropped dispensers in inventory.
Turkey's been supplying them with DPICM since November.
because they are really shitty and really bad.
>we stopped using them because they gave us problems, not war crimes.
list of items the US would use even though most countries consider it a war crime:
>mines
>flame throwers
>cluster bombs
>nerve gas
>nukes
>hollow-point munitions
>shotguns
>thermobaric bombs
>radioactive bombs (dirty nuclear bombs)
list of items that are stupid because they are ineffective in warfare so the US doesn't use them:
>nerve gas
>cluster bombs
>flame throwers
>hollow-point munitions
>radioactive bombs (dirty nuclear bombs)
list of items that have a practical purpose in US military doctrine, and are war-crimes, but we want a better alternative because it would be cheaper and less ASS-sucking.
>nukes
>mines
>stupidity
Oh neat, a moron with no idea what they're talking about!
Your entire post is fricking stupid.
>there is that weaponized stupidity. stop committing war-crimes
the US military stop using cluster munitions because too many of them didn't detonate. which meant we had to do land clearing operations every-time we dropped one. because it was like 20% of munitions malfunctioned which is not acceptable for the US military.
>using the Convention on Cluster Munitions definition.
>ass fricking moronic definition and the reason the US doesn't sign.
ICBMS are not cluster bombs, they are multiple guided missiles. ICBM stands for intercontinental ballistic missile. what you are thinking of is the MIRV Multiple Independent Reentry Vehicle, these are independent guided munitions.
>air dropped dispensers
you are talking about rapid dragon, again independent guided munitions that are launched from a delivery vehicle.
cluster bombs are "dumb bombs"
We have something like 10,000 rockeye CBUs that are still inventoried and haven't been decommissioned yet. That's why the US said they didn't want to send them, not "we don't have any"
What the actual frick is this post. Are you 13?
>ICBMS are not cluster bombs
ICM moron, Improved Cluster Munition. More commonly known as Dual-Purpose Improved Cluster Munition, or DPICM.
>the US military stop using cluster munitions because too many of them didn't detonate.
IIRC although they're in the process of being decommissioned and destroyed (just like nerve gas and nuclear artillery shells were) they're still in war stocks. Just like we saw 1940s production dumb bombs used in Vietnam. They weren't recommended for use in peace time due to safety/cookoff concerns (obviously unwarranted concern though probably by libcucks am I right :*~~) ) but the moment a war began they were used.
>what you are thinking of
Dude if someone uses a term that you're completely unfamiliar with please google it.
>you are talking about rapid dragon
No he's not.
>cluster bombs are "dumb bombs"
Bro the WCMD exists and so do the CBU-103 and CBU-105.
>because they are really shitty and really bad.
LMAO what an absolutely stupid fricking post. Cluster munitions are """banned""" by second-rate countries that have zero expectation to use their militaries in an actual hot war. Cluster munitions are magnitude better than conventional artillery rounds and why some countries have banned them are for ethical reasons not practical ones.
>eww moronic shit post
no these countries ban them because clean-up of the unexploded ordinance is really time consuming and expensive. the rich like their money and governments like a population that they can tax and doesn't randomly explode.
cluster munitions are for full on war - if you need to stop millions of mobiks then this is last stop before tactical nukes - its for scenarios when you think about survival first and clean-up cost after the war second
The A is really the only part of the ABC worth getting, and even that is more for deterrence than actual use.
>why no Cluster Bombs from uncle sam
because Jake Sullivan and Mark Milley are giant homosexuals.
>would it play a decisive factor?
no idea but why not
Russia is already using cluster munitions. Honestly, we have a massive stock of these that we have been trying to de-commission for years. We should just give it away to them rather than just paying to dispose of them.
>muh warcrimes
Neither the US nor Ukraine is on that Hauge treaty so lick my balls.
Cluster munitions are outlawed in most of the world, but the m270's m26 rockets were originally packed with bomblets.
at 07:30, from my fricking childhood
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Closes thing we have is downward-projectile tungsten-ball rain.
>giving cluster bombs to a cluster frick
That's too much cluster
We should give them chemical weapons.
Ukraine has access to cluster munitions already - most Russia's neighbours refused to ban weapons that are meant to stop human waves tactics Russia is so fond of.