I’m trying to find a 9mm handgun that has a optic cut, a light rail, manual safety and is DA, does no gun have all these things together or something I don’t get it
Why is this combination impossible to find
I’m trying to find a 9mm handgun that has a optic cut, a light rail, manual safety and is DA, does no gun have all these things together or something I don’t get it
Arex Rex 1 TC
Beretta M9A4
CZ Shadow 2 Optic Ready(dewienerer is convertible to safety)
P226 Legion RXP
I'm pretty sure there are others, you just have to look. I'm only replying because I have the same taste.
dude.
beretta m9a4
it's the m9a3 + an optics cut
get it and quitcher b***hin
It's hard to find a beretta with a frame safety.
because optics on pistols are for gay homosexuals that dont want to learn to shoot and instead want at bulk to their slide and spend 200-700 dollars on a doodad that is equal to irons.
>but muh target focus
yes, do it with irons. front sight focus is not being taught anymore.
>Muh bindon aiming concept.
frick the USMC for teaching it wrong.
Are you actually arguing that irons are better than optics?
lmao
no. im saying they are equal. the biggest talking point with optics is focusing on the target which is easily done with irons, especially fiberoptic irons for a fraction of the price. all other aspects of pistol shooting is trigger control, presentation and recoil control. the only area that dots have a edge is long range pistol shooting. 50yds +.
and in my subjective opinion they are ugly as frick.
>the only area that dots have a edge is long range pistol shooting. 50yds +.
10 yards
https://soldiersystems.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/2011_Norwich_Study_RMRvIronSights.pdf
boomers like you should just be killed already. I wish covid was real.
not him, red dots are shit homosexual.
ok noguns
>the only area that dots have a edge is long range pistol shooting. 50yds +.
Why wouldn't you want to take advantage of this?
because i dont shoot long range pistol matches.
Not that anon but I have an astigmatism. Also poor so holos are a bit outside my budget.
>astigmatism
anti glare coating on your glasses will fix this until it rubs off. also contacts get rid of the glare (not sure why but can confirm it works)
not that guy, but anti glare glasses did 0 for my astigmatism.
On a self defense handgun? Not enough to make a difference. You're adding bulk and weight to have an optic to shoot like 10 feet away. You don't need optics to shoot from spitting distance.
These homies think they’re USPSA masters shooters who need the absolute apex of performance or they can’t use the weapon.
I'll have you know I shot a .40s split with irons once and my dog passed the next day. Never again.
>to shoot like 10 feet away
urbanite detected
The quite literally are... at least when it comes to RDS on pistols, just learn to shoot.
lol, what a moron
DUDE YOU NEED A HIGH PRECISION COMBAT OPTIC FOR SHOOTING PAPER 5 YARDS IN FRONT OF YOU.
Benefits aren't worth it unless you're going beyond 10yards. Not worth it on a CC, but maybe if you were LE.
you've never had to wake up and kill something in the middle of the night
that is what god made lights for.
im a zoomer homosexual.
dont be a luddite, they are equal solutions to the same problem. its the shilling trying to force it on everyone i cant stand.
nice way to miscontrue my opinion.
It's just a waste of money end extra weight.
Sights on a pistol are just lip service anyways most of the time. They're worthless for CC as they provide no benefit at short ranges and in instances where sights aren't regularly used (short distance panic mag dumping typically just comes down to muscle memory, something you should be training to do instead of being a homosexual and wasting cash on mallninja accessories) and anything over that and you should really question why you're just bringing a service pistol.
I mean, the only real exceptions are some police, but frankly that's a tactical debate for another time.
When someone tells me that they'll never see their pistols in a gun fight, I believe them.
Fair enough.
I was having a similar argument to this with some folks the other day.
Most folks don't shoot well enough to justify the expense of an optic anyways, sadly, even for a rifle.
The cash would be better off spent on some damn ammo and actual range time, running drills.
thats why i believe in target focused shooting. my irons are a little blurry but not to the point it effects accuracy. a fiberoptic front and black rear is the best combo IMO.
I agree optic mounted pistols should be long slide competition guns. Everyone else who builds short slide guns with optics are fricking moronic.
>im a zoomer homosexual.
Even worse.
Someone's never shot in low light situations.
You can always legit tell what homosexuals have never had actual training.
Walther has one, doesn't it?
no all walther makes is striker guns outside of .380
Yeah I went with a CZ P-09 but had to have the slide milled. $575 all said and done (excluding optic of course). I sympathize, I love the look of the FNX45 but want it in 9mm with the listed accoutrements
They can cut berettas for optics now.
Literally any DA 9mm sig.
The berettas.
>I jwust nweed mwy gwunny to hawve a hammwer
Rex Zero 1 Tacticool
>I’m trying to find a 9mm handgun that has a optic cut, a light rail, manual safety and is DA,
Bereatta 92X RDO has all those things.
OPtics are for illiterates who use calculators to add and subtract
> It's 1942. Some salty old bastard is explaining to me why the delicate and decadent collimated sight on fighter plane is going to get me killed, and just to learn to shoot irons like a real man
> It's 2002. Some salty fricking old bastard is explaining to me why the Aimpoint RDS on my rifle is going to get me killed, and learn to shoot irons like a real man.
> It's 2022. Some salty old bastard is explaining to me why the RMR on my pistol is going to get me killed, and to just learn to shoot irons like a real man.
>manual safety
>and DA
why
Why not?
double action is perfectly adequate as a safety why not get de wiener only
But if someone wants a safety on it, why not? You can choose to use it or not. And it's not like there's never been a DA/SA gun with a safety before, we're not breaking ground here.
extra shit sticking out of the gun and another potential point of failure
you don't need a fricking safety on a handgun
people who know what they're talking about don't use safeties on handguns
safeties are for libtards who bought their first gun
lets see you carry a sao gun condition 0 if you're so good
you know I don't mean that for single action handguns, moron
Checked but you shouldn't need a gay-ass safety on a DA. Or ever.
hoplophobia
Manual safety with double action is fricking moronic, that’s why.
just get a glock
Buffalo shooter dropped his shit box into P and hopped out, wearing plates, before firing his first round that killed a woman, in less than 5 seconds. This isn't a request for par times, but how fast can you draw and reliably score a 1st round hit on a T box at 10y? 3s? 2s? It's a pretty depressing drill to run, but I've found a dot cuts my time and results in a higher hit percentage.
As for the instinctive vs sighted shooting debate, we should integrate more retention shooting into their training. But even Fairbairn eventually issued bronze front sighted pistols to his Shanghai police units. Fight to your sights, etc.
there is nothing that woman could have dont to save her self.
I know. Doesn't mean I still haven't made that drill part of my training now.
Buffalo shooter used a rifle, not a pistol.
He’s saying you’d have like 5 seconds to fight back against that guy.
5 seconds is being generous. she was shot from the ambush, and never saw it coming.
easily achievable within ~13yards as long as you dont over aim. the front post can be any where in the rear notch and get a hit.
Oh, lol I'm drunk and thought that post was about the efficiency of the shooter.
Yeah, you're definitely dead in that situation. Training to be on a hair trigger and ready for that scenario is just asking for trouble IMO. I'd just accept my death at that point, it's like being hit by lightning.
>the front post can be any where in the rear notch and get a hit.
On a fricking T-box? How long is your front slide here? I can miss a 5" steel plate at 10y if my front sight post is half way down my rear notch, and you're popping shit smaller than an index card anywhere inside your rear notch?
what's DA?
I'm also lookingn to get a 9mm that's optic ready with manual safetyy. was recommended M&P shield + but my buddy got one and said the screws on the optic plate weren't tapped right, had to take it to a gunsmith, look online and seems to be a common problem
any 9mm's that have manual safety, and optic ready
>Manual safety
>DA
Gross dude, Striker fire optics ready all day
Arex Zero One Tactical / Zero Two Tactical
Beretta M9A4
Off the top of my head
are you me? i was just looking for this today too. i would buy that FN if it was 9 mm. would be even better without the manual safety. the p320 and m9 are pretty much the only options that don't have homosexual trigger safeties and threaded barrels.
Manual safeties are gay and will get you killed