Why is it so hard to defend against sea drones?
>not bigger than a tank
>not faster than an APC
>can be destroyed by ATGMs or quadcopter mounted RPGs
>warships have space to store both in good numbers
Why is it so hard to defend against sea drones? >not bigger than a tank. >not faster than an APC
Russia already found a solution
Thaaaat might actually work
it would be as effective as cope cages
Why?
because it's just a cope cage
The first drone makes a hole, the second goes through and finishes it off.
Genius idea. Are we going to see cope skirts around russian navy vessels soon?
why not instal CIWS on ships?
that would require actually making CIWS that consistently works and is competently operated
the tarantul has 2 installed, they just don't work.
>why not instal CIWS on ships?
>the tarantul has 2 installed, they just don't work.
For better context. The older AK630 CWIS doesn't have very good depression (only -12°, and they're placed pretty high up on the Tarantul anyway), and they don't have any thermals/FLIR. If it's night and something that doesn't show up very well on radar comes at them (like these kamikaze boats), I can imagine it not being spotted until it was too close to be engaged with the CWIS.
They unironically need to buy as many Nork 14.5mm gattling guns as they can and bolt them to everything that floats, the 12.7mm Iranian version as well. Probably should get some of those Nork armed tugs as well.
Based on Norks artillery shell performance I would trust cope fishing nets more
Big difference between left over shells and a new gun. Also the shell issues seem to have been fixed, they are showing up refurbished now.
>No nightvision or thermal optics
Useless.
Actually they have both (export monky model to Myamar) and i'd like to remind you that the Russian ship would have survived if it had a few guys with spotlights and KPVs on deck.
14.5mm is the answer to so many problems it isn't funny anymore It is just sad that you don't get it. The solution to the problem is stabbing them with bullets. That is the solution to all problems.
Did all russian depression reserves went into suicide rates? Is there any russian vehicle mounted gun with decent depression?
the fact the Tarantul didn't move into a boomed off area when it had to displace out of the GLSDB raid - they are half assing there is no way they don't have anchorable floating booms of all types including torpedo ones.
>lost technology of the golden age
simply couldn't be made today
wow cope fish nets
>seathe skirts
A fine piece of Lostech.
Those worked so well the last time they tried that, kek
You are aware that you just quoted a source that says that they protected the ship from 104 torpedoes right?
No, he's moronic.
Sad! Many such cases.
Kys /misc/tard
>smoll
>not made out of metal so don't show well on radar
>attack at night
>not made out of metal so don't show well on radar
Chat is this real
what the hell do you think little boats are made out of nowadays
You do know that radar signals only bounce off metal right? It's why radomes are made of fiberglass type of materials so that they're invisible to those frequencies.
Bro, you can see birds and weather cells using radar. Your statement is factually wrong.
>you do know that radar signals only bounce off metal right
I'm sorry, where did you think you learned this?
Black person
They detect weather patterns by picking up metal micro debris kicked up by strong winds you dumb frick,
Don't tell me how weather satalite works, I used to work at a weather detector servicing station for years.
Is that micro-debris made of metal? No? Then what's your fricking point moron?
No wonder the weather forecasts are always wrong. Thank you for your work Mr Fish
>weather satalite
Check the file name
How much metal is in insects?
moron
>Chat is this real
You are supposed to ask this in chat not in active public thead idiot
>attack at night
That one guy was literally right all along
First you need to detect it
Then you need to identify it
Then you need to make a decision to eliminate it
Then you need to eliminate it
Problem is it hits you before step 4. And step 4 is hard anyways, in all of the drone boat footage pretty much you can see bullet impacts in the water from the Russians trying to stop em
>And step 4 is hard anyways, in all of the drone boat footage pretty much you can see bullet impacts in the water from the Russians trying to stop em
Let's be fair here: Russian guns aren't exactly known for their MoA. It's already hard and they're playing with a handicap
Small size, low profile, literal wave height, probably low RCS materials, low IR emissions.
It's just a reality check. Bragging about how your surface radar can detect submarine periscope from miles away? Then you should have no problem detecting a drone boat, comrade.
>The AK-176 is effective against missiles, being able to shoot down AT-2 Swatter (simulating a Harpoon anti-ship missile), taking an average of 25 rounds per kill.
Then you should have no problem hitting a boat, comrade
The vast majority of drone attacks are unsuccessful, but why would you bother sharing the footage of some guy shooting and then the camera goes blank?
>The vast majority of drone attacks are unsuccessful
based on what?
>The vast majority of drone attacks are unsuccessful
That's a moronic take, the vast majority of bullets also miss, but they still kill the target in the end.
Those oilspill tubes would be enough for those types of drones I think most of them got hit while anchored anyways.
not so fast
That's the dukes of hazard shit i want to see
My years of playing Waverace will finally pay off, I am ready to be a seadrone operator
Why am I imagining an orange drone with a confederate flag painted on the hood?
im pretty sure that it wouldve just slipped under it to begin with anon
The Grillo-class MBT says hello
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grillo-class_tracked_torpedo_motorboat
Because they're fighting against Russians. Even a radar from WW2 should be able to detect these things. Of course, range is also a factor, a naval patrol plane would detect these things further out but would just get shot down. Ships are too vulnerable when close to a shore, but it's not like as if the Black Sea fleet has anywhere else to go. I'm surprised there are even any left, but then again they're hardly a threat.
They're hard to detect. One lesson that should come out of all this (and the Red Sea) is that all Western ships need to be refit with some form of DAS with automatic target recognition, in order to pick up future UUVs that might be running semi-autonomous in order to avoid their control signals from being detected or jammed. They'll also need multiple light autocannons and/or laser cannons in order to prosecute drone swarms coming in from any direction with little or no warning.
Id imagine the Iranians are gonna try mass producing these. They went from IEDs to suicide car bombs to kamikaze UAVs to this.
>any US invasion and occupation of Iran would cost thousands of American lives and limbs, trillions of dollars, and certain failure as the will to fight saps out
Nah, Iran suffers from the dictator-disease, they have a pathological need to pretend they can support a conventional navy.
Does Iran even do that? Most of their naval forces are just "larger than a generic dinghy" tier . they have at most 7 frigates and then some 13 submarines with a mess of fast attack boats which is logical for a primarily defensive fleet.
It's mainly Russia and China that plays the cope card for their lack of a navy.
They don't seem to care to pursue a "conventional navy".
Bruh, nobody needs to occupy Iran, a precision strike against the leadership will frick over that country. Same with any dictatorship: the institutions and processes are fake.
>Why is it so hard to defend against sea drones?
they arent
russians are just incompetent
we have an expert here
Unironically he's correct.
CIWS should absolutely mog these slow surface targets.
That would require first world sensor packages though and not crusty ass gen 2 NV that can barely see a frigate at night let alone small drones.
You can see splashes around them when they were approaching the ships so the Russians were TRYING to engage them, they just sucked at it.
>CIWS should absolutely mog these slow surface targets.
dude. ukrainian israelites are flushing their shit into black sea to the level that it goes sewage water quality with a toxic foam around Odessa. there are whole fricking islands every fricking 500 meters of ukrainian shit and derbies floating around. i dunno Russians have problems with sensors.. they just cant clean this shit up because the sea itself is full with shit and sea mines there.
That's an esoteric cope have a (You) for the effort.
oh my gosh. i just realized you are more inbreed moron than i was thinking.. no dude. you are right.. Russians are stupid hahaha.. keep it up pall..
good
crawl back to whatever shithole you came from you moronic poojeet
>Russians are stupid hahaha..
I was giving them a benefit of the doubt since this whole shitshow started but there's only so much you can stretch that before you realize that yes, they're third world morons who will shit the bed 9 times out 10 if given even the slightest chance.
Good post sir!
>a trail of 'jeet poo goes straight into Brazil's beaches
God fricking damn it.
Genuinely what causes this?
Do they just not believe in sewage treatment technology or what?
"the waters of the Ganges are clean and divine"
no it doesn't matter how much waste you put in it. it's clean and divine so it's clean and divine.
They’re afraid of toilets because they think a witch is going to come up out of the sewer and…climb up their butthole or something.
No seriously
Nope.
You can see these things with fricking WW1 tech search lights and then shoot them with deck guns.
Do you know what torpedo boats were?
This is just pure Russian incompetence.
>CIWS should absolutely mog these slow surface targets.
- half of them don't work (e.g. on moskva);
- they have issues pointing them so low as to hit naval targets, since they got made to shoot down missiles;
Western ones have neither of these problems, sounds like a skill issue.
>Why is it so hard to defend against sea drones?
Bomb Norway and London. literally.
>Russian shows up
>irrelevant memes, empty threats, ad hominems and made up bullshit
These people genuinely wonder why the rest of the world doesn't trust or respect them
They are built in such a way that if you don't hit the engine or computer it's really hard to sink with small calibers. The explosive is very insensitive. So you need to hit it with 20mm or larger to reliabily sink the thing. And there are always a dozen of them coming at the same time.
They can take a few hits without sinking fast enough to disable it.
>people were saying we don't need these anymore now that we have missiles
Apologize
>Houthi missle thinks it's going to get to martyr itself and kill many American infidels
>Last thing it sees is either one of these
Kek!
I would be glad to be torn to shreds by Gintama-themed CIWS.
Atleast i´d die laughing.
So by drone boats you just mean suicide boats right? It's not an RC car you can't control it remotely
Ukraine is a terrorist state
Yeah there is a drugged up Russian PoW with his limbs cut off welded shut inside of these things.
They rigged his brain's pleasure center to get stimulated with decreasing proximity to target, and gave him control of the boat via a mouth-operated joystick.
*increasing proximity to target
Frick.
clearly russians are masochists
Some heavy mosquito netting ought to be enuff, shirley?
smol
Oh yeah, they're going to come back, baby.
So i just had a crazy idea; what if you put half a dozen machineguns with big lights on the decks and any time the guys manning them saw a sea drone they shot it?
Come at me
Finally someone who can challenge my power!
Would be really interesting assuming the Nork boat was loaded to the water line with ammo and had a full fuel tank. It would outmanuver any sailship and two 14.5mm gattlings would disable and kill huge numbers of crew but it would struggle to sink a ship of the line. The ships are just too big and they have really good damage control. That said 14.5mm AP-I will go right through them and if it hits the powder magazine the ship will explode.
A single lucky cannon ball would sink the Nork coast guard boat but if they were smart they would kite them.
Nork tactical victory, strategic victory to massed ships of the line.
What is stopping them putting a little ramp on the boat drone to fire over the net?
Why not use drones to defend against drones? Why not deploy a number of small, cheaply costing sea drones that swam their mother-ship to detect and kamikaze into approaching enemy drones like a net of fast, smart mines? Like, just turn some old torpedoes into drones that loiter or can be launched from the traditional, unmodified torpedo systems already in place? It can't be that expensive to mod torpedoes into sea-loitering drones can it?