Why is it so hard to defend against sea drones? >not bigger than a tank. >not faster than an APC

Why is it so hard to defend against sea drones?
>not bigger than a tank
>not faster than an APC
>can be destroyed by ATGMs or quadcopter mounted RPGs
>warships have space to store both in good numbers

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Russia already found a solution

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Thaaaat might actually work

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        it would be as effective as cope cages

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Why?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            because it's just a cope cage

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/rk1bakl.jpg

        Russia already found a solution

        The first drone makes a hole, the second goes through and finishes it off.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Genius idea. Are we going to see cope skirts around russian navy vessels soon?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      why not instal CIWS on ships?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        that would require actually making CIWS that consistently works and is competently operated

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        the tarantul has 2 installed, they just don't work.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >why not instal CIWS on ships?

        the tarantul has 2 installed, they just don't work.

        >the tarantul has 2 installed, they just don't work.
        For better context. The older AK630 CWIS doesn't have very good depression (only -12°, and they're placed pretty high up on the Tarantul anyway), and they don't have any thermals/FLIR. If it's night and something that doesn't show up very well on radar comes at them (like these kamikaze boats), I can imagine it not being spotted until it was too close to be engaged with the CWIS.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          https://i.imgur.com/c549Zho.png

          why not instal CIWS on ships?

          They unironically need to buy as many Nork 14.5mm gattling guns as they can and bolt them to everything that floats, the 12.7mm Iranian version as well. Probably should get some of those Nork armed tugs as well.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Based on Norks artillery shell performance I would trust cope fishing nets more

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Big difference between left over shells and a new gun. Also the shell issues seem to have been fixed, they are showing up refurbished now.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >No nightvision or thermal optics
            Useless.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Actually they have both (export monky model to Myamar) and i'd like to remind you that the Russian ship would have survived if it had a few guys with spotlights and KPVs on deck.

              14.5mm is the answer to so many problems it isn't funny anymore It is just sad that you don't get it. The solution to the problem is stabbing them with bullets. That is the solution to all problems.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Did all russian depression reserves went into suicide rates? Is there any russian vehicle mounted gun with decent depression?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/NWusCSu.jpg

      Those oilspill tubes would be enough for those types of drones I think most of them got hit while anchored anyways.

      the fact the Tarantul didn't move into a boomed off area when it had to displace out of the GLSDB raid - they are half assing there is no way they don't have anchorable floating booms of all types including torpedo ones.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >lost technology of the golden age
      simply couldn't be made today

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      wow cope fish nets

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >seathe skirts

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      A fine piece of Lostech.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Those worked so well the last time they tried that, kek

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You are aware that you just quoted a source that says that they protected the ship from 104 torpedoes right?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          No, he's moronic.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Sad! Many such cases.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Kys /misc/tard

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >smoll
    >not made out of metal so don't show well on radar
    >attack at night

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >not made out of metal so don't show well on radar
      Chat is this real

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        what the hell do you think little boats are made out of nowadays

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You do know that radar signals only bounce off metal right? It's why radomes are made of fiberglass type of materials so that they're invisible to those frequencies.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Bro, you can see birds and weather cells using radar. Your statement is factually wrong.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >you do know that radar signals only bounce off metal right

          I'm sorry, where did you think you learned this?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Black person

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous
          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            They detect weather patterns by picking up metal micro debris kicked up by strong winds you dumb frick,
            Don't tell me how weather satalite works, I used to work at a weather detector servicing station for years.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Is that micro-debris made of metal? No? Then what's your fricking point moron?

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              No wonder the weather forecasts are always wrong. Thank you for your work Mr Fish

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >weather satalite
              Check the file name

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              How much metal is in insects?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          moron

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Chat is this real
        You are supposed to ask this in chat not in active public thead idiot

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >attack at night
      That one guy was literally right all along

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    First you need to detect it
    Then you need to identify it
    Then you need to make a decision to eliminate it
    Then you need to eliminate it

    Problem is it hits you before step 4. And step 4 is hard anyways, in all of the drone boat footage pretty much you can see bullet impacts in the water from the Russians trying to stop em

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >And step 4 is hard anyways, in all of the drone boat footage pretty much you can see bullet impacts in the water from the Russians trying to stop em
      Let's be fair here: Russian guns aren't exactly known for their MoA. It's already hard and they're playing with a handicap

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Small size, low profile, literal wave height, probably low RCS materials, low IR emissions.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's just a reality check. Bragging about how your surface radar can detect submarine periscope from miles away? Then you should have no problem detecting a drone boat, comrade.
    >The AK-176 is effective against missiles, being able to shoot down AT-2 Swatter (simulating a Harpoon anti-ship missile), taking an average of 25 rounds per kill.
    Then you should have no problem hitting a boat, comrade

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The vast majority of drone attacks are unsuccessful, but why would you bother sharing the footage of some guy shooting and then the camera goes blank?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The vast majority of drone attacks are unsuccessful
      based on what?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The vast majority of drone attacks are unsuccessful
      That's a moronic take, the vast majority of bullets also miss, but they still kill the target in the end.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Those oilspill tubes would be enough for those types of drones I think most of them got hit while anchored anyways.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      not so fast

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That's the dukes of hazard shit i want to see

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        My years of playing Waverace will finally pay off, I am ready to be a seadrone operator

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Why am I imagining an orange drone with a confederate flag painted on the hood?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        im pretty sure that it wouldve just slipped under it to begin with anon

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The Grillo-class MBT says hello

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grillo-class_tracked_torpedo_motorboat

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because they're fighting against Russians. Even a radar from WW2 should be able to detect these things. Of course, range is also a factor, a naval patrol plane would detect these things further out but would just get shot down. Ships are too vulnerable when close to a shore, but it's not like as if the Black Sea fleet has anywhere else to go. I'm surprised there are even any left, but then again they're hardly a threat.

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They're hard to detect. One lesson that should come out of all this (and the Red Sea) is that all Western ships need to be refit with some form of DAS with automatic target recognition, in order to pick up future UUVs that might be running semi-autonomous in order to avoid their control signals from being detected or jammed. They'll also need multiple light autocannons and/or laser cannons in order to prosecute drone swarms coming in from any direction with little or no warning.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Id imagine the Iranians are gonna try mass producing these. They went from IEDs to suicide car bombs to kamikaze UAVs to this.
    >any US invasion and occupation of Iran would cost thousands of American lives and limbs, trillions of dollars, and certain failure as the will to fight saps out

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nah, Iran suffers from the dictator-disease, they have a pathological need to pretend they can support a conventional navy.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Does Iran even do that? Most of their naval forces are just "larger than a generic dinghy" tier . they have at most 7 frigates and then some 13 submarines with a mess of fast attack boats which is logical for a primarily defensive fleet.
        It's mainly Russia and China that plays the cope card for their lack of a navy.
        They don't seem to care to pursue a "conventional navy".

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Bruh, nobody needs to occupy Iran, a precision strike against the leadership will frick over that country. Same with any dictatorship: the institutions and processes are fake.

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Why is it so hard to defend against sea drones?
    they arent
    russians are just incompetent

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      we have an expert here

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      we have an expert here

      Unironically he's correct.
      CIWS should absolutely mog these slow surface targets.
      That would require first world sensor packages though and not crusty ass gen 2 NV that can barely see a frigate at night let alone small drones.
      You can see splashes around them when they were approaching the ships so the Russians were TRYING to engage them, they just sucked at it.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >CIWS should absolutely mog these slow surface targets.

        dude. ukrainian israelites are flushing their shit into black sea to the level that it goes sewage water quality with a toxic foam around Odessa. there are whole fricking islands every fricking 500 meters of ukrainian shit and derbies floating around. i dunno Russians have problems with sensors.. they just cant clean this shit up because the sea itself is full with shit and sea mines there.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That's an esoteric cope have a (You) for the effort.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            oh my gosh. i just realized you are more inbreed moron than i was thinking.. no dude. you are right.. Russians are stupid hahaha.. keep it up pall..

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              good
              crawl back to whatever shithole you came from you moronic poojeet

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Russians are stupid hahaha..

              I was giving them a benefit of the doubt since this whole shitshow started but there's only so much you can stretch that before you realize that yes, they're third world morons who will shit the bed 9 times out 10 if given even the slightest chance.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Good post sir!

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >a trail of 'jeet poo goes straight into Brazil's beaches
            God fricking damn it.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Genuinely what causes this?
            Do they just not believe in sewage treatment technology or what?

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              "the waters of the Ganges are clean and divine"
              no it doesn't matter how much waste you put in it. it's clean and divine so it's clean and divine.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              They’re afraid of toilets because they think a witch is going to come up out of the sewer and…climb up their butthole or something.

              No seriously

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Nope.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You can see these things with fricking WW1 tech search lights and then shoot them with deck guns.
        Do you know what torpedo boats were?
        This is just pure Russian incompetence.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >CIWS should absolutely mog these slow surface targets.
        - half of them don't work (e.g. on moskva);
        - they have issues pointing them so low as to hit naval targets, since they got made to shoot down missiles;

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Western ones have neither of these problems, sounds like a skill issue.

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Why is it so hard to defend against sea drones?

    Bomb Norway and London. literally.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/XVenPp8.jpg

      >CIWS should absolutely mog these slow surface targets.

      dude. ukrainian israelites are flushing their shit into black sea to the level that it goes sewage water quality with a toxic foam around Odessa. there are whole fricking islands every fricking 500 meters of ukrainian shit and derbies floating around. i dunno Russians have problems with sensors.. they just cant clean this shit up because the sea itself is full with shit and sea mines there.

      https://i.imgur.com/5XOK8p4.jpg

      oh my gosh. i just realized you are more inbreed moron than i was thinking.. no dude. you are right.. Russians are stupid hahaha.. keep it up pall..

      >Russian shows up
      >irrelevant memes, empty threats, ad hominems and made up bullshit
      These people genuinely wonder why the rest of the world doesn't trust or respect them

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They are built in such a way that if you don't hit the engine or computer it's really hard to sink with small calibers. The explosive is very insensitive. So you need to hit it with 20mm or larger to reliabily sink the thing. And there are always a dozen of them coming at the same time.

    They can take a few hits without sinking fast enough to disable it.

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >people were saying we don't need these anymore now that we have missiles
    Apologize

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      Anonymous
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        Anonymous
      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/aNB7l2u.jpg

        >Houthi missle thinks it's going to get to martyr itself and kill many American infidels
        >Last thing it sees is either one of these
        Kek!

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I would be glad to be torn to shreds by Gintama-themed CIWS.
        Atleast i´d die laughing.

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So by drone boats you just mean suicide boats right? It's not an RC car you can't control it remotely
    Ukraine is a terrorist state

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah there is a drugged up Russian PoW with his limbs cut off welded shut inside of these things.
      They rigged his brain's pleasure center to get stimulated with decreasing proximity to target, and gave him control of the boat via a mouth-operated joystick.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        *increasing proximity to target

        Frick.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          clearly russians are masochists

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Some heavy mosquito netting ought to be enuff, shirley?

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    smol

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Oh yeah, they're going to come back, baby.

  19. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So i just had a crazy idea; what if you put half a dozen machineguns with big lights on the decks and any time the guys manning them saw a sea drone they shot it?

  20. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Come at me

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Finally someone who can challenge my power!

      Would be really interesting assuming the Nork boat was loaded to the water line with ammo and had a full fuel tank. It would outmanuver any sailship and two 14.5mm gattlings would disable and kill huge numbers of crew but it would struggle to sink a ship of the line. The ships are just too big and they have really good damage control. That said 14.5mm AP-I will go right through them and if it hits the powder magazine the ship will explode.

      A single lucky cannon ball would sink the Nork coast guard boat but if they were smart they would kite them.

      Nork tactical victory, strategic victory to massed ships of the line.

  21. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What is stopping them putting a little ramp on the boat drone to fire over the net?

  22. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why not use drones to defend against drones? Why not deploy a number of small, cheaply costing sea drones that swam their mother-ship to detect and kamikaze into approaching enemy drones like a net of fast, smart mines? Like, just turn some old torpedoes into drones that loiter or can be launched from the traditional, unmodified torpedo systems already in place? It can't be that expensive to mod torpedoes into sea-loitering drones can it?

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