You might need the F-35 to do air supremacy until we have gen 6 air to air drones. But yes, a heavy amount of ordinance will come from drone platforms of all types.
Because the NGAD and F/AXX are going to be so spooky and def not near alien tech that 4th gen fighters are going to look like muzzle loading muskets in a world of bolt action repeaters with smokeless powder
Because the only reason the F-15EX was even considered is that Trump appointed an ex Boeing Executive as acting SecDef.
That's it, everyone knew it was less survivable than F-22/F-35, and on a per airframe basis it was even more expensive than F-35.
There was a secondary function of keeping Boeing in the defense Aerospace business after they took L after L. Then Boeing got the MQ-25 contract, which had parameters written for Boeing product vs Northup/Lockheed's. Compared to F-15EX, MQ-25 actually serves a purpose. Boeing also got additional Growler contracts to keep the superhornet lines open longer.
That said, Boeing may be in the running for the new "Permissive Environment" fighter, which is supposed to be a clean sheet, non-stealth fighter for Air National Guard/bombing third world countries. Basically an F-16 replacement designed with modern methods to be as cheap as possible so F-35 airframe hours aren't wasted doing boring shit.
OP, you could at least have posted the link to the article, even if not the key sentence: >The budget request for Fiscal Year 2023 suggests that the F-15EX program may indeed be in trouble; funds were set aside for just 18 aircraft
You fricking mong
>on a per airframe basis it was even more expensive than F-35
the main issue with F-35 now is the operating costs
Contest hasn't been announced, but the Air Force has been throwing around the idea of a low cost/hour 4.5 gen designed with modern techniques for about a decade now. Keeping Boeing in the defense aviation business is an objective of the airforce so the US doesn't end up with a single fighter manufacturer like Russia. So the air force tries to parcel out contracts between the companies. Lockmart got F-22 and F-35, Northrup Grumman got the B-21, there has to be a big contract thrown to Boeing to keep them in business and the low cost fighter seems like the obvious choice.
> Idk when LM last made a bomber
B-17 lol, Lockheed licensed production from Boeing. After that neither the Lockheed or Martin part of Lockheed Martin made a bomber.
If you count General Dynamics as well, that would be the F-111.
Low cost fighter also makes sense. Both for US purposes - NG gotta NG and those browns won't bomb themselves - but also geopolitically, ie F-20 tigershark 2.0
Contest hasn't been announced, but the Air Force has been throwing around the idea of a low cost/hour 4.5 gen designed with modern techniques for about a decade now. Keeping Boeing in the defense aviation business is an objective of the airforce so the US doesn't end up with a single fighter manufacturer like Russia. So the air force tries to parcel out contracts between the companies. Lockmart got F-22 and F-35, Northrup Grumman got the B-21, there has to be a big contract thrown to Boeing to keep them in business and the low cost fighter seems like the obvious choice.
the low cost fighter would immediately solve the problem of chinks getting uppity over the scs, if the harassment costs more for chyna than interception for japan and taiwan then it will be greatly discouraged
Pretty much. If you can shit out something like the Gripen - okay-ish performance and avionics but low acquisition cost and low operational cost and attach it to a very generous funding program (most defence contracts to foreign buyers includes financing, fun fact) then you could flood Asia with planes good enough to be a pain in the ass for China but not good enough to pose a threat if used against you.
>In July of 2018, the F-15EX official twitter account posted "I'll say only this: FRICK MiGGERS. Take it as you will". Naturally, this sparked an enormous amount of outrage, to which the official USAF twitter account responded, "We'll make sure the due consequences are implemented, in light of the unacceptable comments of a certain someone."
Because Pierre Sprey is dead and we can have an intelligent conversation about how drones and F35 will do everything in the next war
>about how drones will do everything in the next war
Fixed
You might need the F-35 to do air supremacy until we have gen 6 air to air drones. But yes, a heavy amount of ordinance will come from drone platforms of all types.
>f-35 air supremacy
Good one!
ok moron
>F-35 dog walks every other aircraft in multiple war exercises
>Not a good air supremacy fighter.
Okay homosexual.
well if ukraine is anything to go by then if your enemy has A/A you can kiss your drones goodbye
this war has proved the usefullness of drones even more wtf are you talking about?
Or, you know, you need even more airforce to suppress it. Numbers are everything.
TWO MORE DRONES
no shit, moron. now answer this, between a piloted plane and a drone, which one is the more acceptable and easier to replace loss?
>200 IQ RICK AND MORTY F35 FOREVER YAAAASSSSSSSSSSSSS
>YAAAAS I LOVE AUTISTIC BRRRT NOISES ON A PLANE THAT STOPPED BEING RELEVANT IN 1989
>1989
Feeling generous today?
It posted a racist tweet.
>have 5ex
NGAD will be first rate
F35 will be second rate
and the US will never accept third rate
F-1SEX? What were they thinking??
They were thinking about 5EX anon.
The 5ex is a feature not a bug
Because the NGAD and F/AXX are going to be so spooky and def not near alien tech that 4th gen fighters are going to look like muzzle loading muskets in a world of bolt action repeaters with smokeless powder
Do American defense companies really need to rely on the gov giving them gibs to survive?
i mean, who do you think they sell to? I can't order a F-35 for my home. The industry basically has to have the government paying them to survive
I feel dumber just for reading this post.
Because the only reason the F-15EX was even considered is that Trump appointed an ex Boeing Executive as acting SecDef.
That's it, everyone knew it was less survivable than F-22/F-35, and on a per airframe basis it was even more expensive than F-35.
There was a secondary function of keeping Boeing in the defense Aerospace business after they took L after L. Then Boeing got the MQ-25 contract, which had parameters written for Boeing product vs Northup/Lockheed's. Compared to F-15EX, MQ-25 actually serves a purpose. Boeing also got additional Growler contracts to keep the superhornet lines open longer.
That said, Boeing may be in the running for the new "Permissive Environment" fighter, which is supposed to be a clean sheet, non-stealth fighter for Air National Guard/bombing third world countries. Basically an F-16 replacement designed with modern methods to be as cheap as possible so F-35 airframe hours aren't wasted doing boring shit.
OP, you could at least have posted the link to the article, even if not the key sentence:
>The budget request for Fiscal Year 2023 suggests that the F-15EX program may indeed be in trouble; funds were set aside for just 18 aircraft
You fricking mong
>on a per airframe basis it was even more expensive than F-35
the main issue with F-35 now is the operating costs
Source on that "permissive environment" fighter contract?
Contest hasn't been announced, but the Air Force has been throwing around the idea of a low cost/hour 4.5 gen designed with modern techniques for about a decade now. Keeping Boeing in the defense aviation business is an objective of the airforce so the US doesn't end up with a single fighter manufacturer like Russia. So the air force tries to parcel out contracts between the companies. Lockmart got F-22 and F-35, Northrup Grumman got the B-21, there has to be a big contract thrown to Boeing to keep them in business and the low cost fighter seems like the obvious choice.
>Northrop got the b21
It helps that their niche just happens to be that style of stealth jet. Idk when LM last made a bomber
> Idk when LM last made a bomber
B-17 lol, Lockheed licensed production from Boeing. After that neither the Lockheed or Martin part of Lockheed Martin made a bomber.
If you count General Dynamics as well, that would be the F-111.
Low cost fighter also makes sense. Both for US purposes - NG gotta NG and those browns won't bomb themselves - but also geopolitically, ie F-20 tigershark 2.0
the low cost fighter would immediately solve the problem of chinks getting uppity over the scs, if the harassment costs more for chyna than interception for japan and taiwan then it will be greatly discouraged
Pretty much. If you can shit out something like the Gripen - okay-ish performance and avionics but low acquisition cost and low operational cost and attach it to a very generous funding program (most defence contracts to foreign buyers includes financing, fun fact) then you could flood Asia with planes good enough to be a pain in the ass for China but not good enough to pose a threat if used against you.
I'm talking "Filipino Airforce announces purchase of 90 fighter jets" flooding.
Turns out as soon as you use non-federated systems in ANY combat aircraft, maintenance becomes a real b***h.
I heard from HR that it slapped someone on the ass rather aggressively. Sexual harassment is a bad thing anon.
Apparently in 2011 it tweeted "homie penis".
Does a drone even exist that can fulfill the "missile truck" role that the F15EX was slated for?
yes but they would never tell you
1. take existing target drone
2. fit missiles to it
The US has been throwing away old fighters by converting them into drones for decades. Surely it's not that hard to retrofit some for combat duties.
Because it hates israelites.
>In July of 2018, the F-15EX official twitter account posted "I'll say only this: FRICK MiGGERS. Take it as you will". Naturally, this sparked an enormous amount of outrage, to which the official USAF twitter account responded, "We'll make sure the due consequences are implemented, in light of the unacceptable comments of a certain someone."
Because an E-3 with a drone swarm is the future of fighting.
>go ahead centcom
>Why is it getting canceled?
It claimed trans women were not real women.
Boeing is shitting out a potential light fighter as we speak. Why do need a new program?
>2 seat
isn't that a trainer?
>who will control the missile truck drones?
someone at the base? We've had datalinks that can work in America and pilot a drone 3/4s of the way around the earth for decades
1979?
Because it turned out that F-35 is actually great and you don't need gen4 planes anymore.
Why bother dumping money into the eagle if the F-35 is replacing it? It cna literally do every single mission the eagle can but better
So give the fricking thing to Ukraine already.
Aging airframes == >$ maintenance.
>F-1SEX
>5EX
it said abortion bad and the libs caught wind