Why is camping so expensive?! You have to buy so many bits and bobs unless you want to be dead or uncomfortable.
How do homeless people survive … unless they're dying on the streets regularly?
Why is camping so expensive?! You have to buy so many bits and bobs unless you want to be dead or uncomfortable.
You forgot to mention paying the state for a small plot of dirt next to the RV family with 5 kids and 2 dogs. Camping is marketed as a fun getaway, so long as you buy a bunch of shit. In truth the less you have the better, go deep into BLM land with enough for yourself for a few nights.
>How do homeless people survive
Drugs are a hell of a drug, hard to notice how pathetic you are when you're half conscious from opiates all day and night.
>Drugs are a hell of a drug, hard to notice how pathetic you are when you're half conscious from opiates all day and night.
I heard that. The internet does the same for me.
The key to camping is to just do it. If it's more trouble for them to bother you than not-bother-you then they're going to leave
you alone.
Why the frick are you posting if you don't know what the frick you're talking about?
I can't answer that for you, anon. You'll have to tell us why you're posting.
What the frick are you talking about?
Why are you posting if you have nothing to contribute?
what is BLM?
Black lives matter
Burn, loot, murder
blessed anon
blueberry lemon muffin
blacks least moronic
Business Leaders Meeting
Bacon Lettuce Marmalade
people who order sandwich like that deserve to be lynched
Bobbi Lee Mason
She was a country singer in the 1950s who invested heavily in land out west when it was cheap, and now owns lots of land in Wyoming, Utah, and Nevada.
Bureau of Land Management. They take care of most federal lands in the USA.
Jesus, anon. No need to troll the newbie that hard.
you fricking .... bet you get invited to all the parties? actually you probably do because everyone is a killjoy now days.
>How do homeless people survive … unless they're dying on the streets regularly?
Am a nurse, most of my patients are homeless.
When you don't have any responsibility in life, you have a lot of free time and access to a lot of resources. Charities and even government programs straight up give out free tents and other supplies. Same with food, with soup kitchens you can eat 3+ meals a day for free and the state of CA will give you several hundred a month on an EBT card as well. On top of the EBT $$$ you can also get SSI if claiming a disability and GR (general relief) if you have low to no income. So you're looking at free supplies, free food and financial subsidies of >$1k per month. Just for not having a job.
Of course there is also the option to just shoplift and steal what you need, which if you keep it under $950, it is a misdemeanor and not only will you probably not get caught, but if caught you probably won't even serve time depending on the county prosecutor.
Not saying it is the right thing to do, but it is what a lot of people do
That won't work in Texas.
Yet
STEERS and QUEERS
In austin it does
I have a friend who ended up homeless in LA due to genuine unfortunate circumstances (battered wife who finally ran away with nothing after 8 years) and yeah it's kinda shocking how much the state gives her. Still not really enough to have a real life in LA but it's a lot of money nonetheless. It's even more shocking because she's not an American Citizen, which kinda frustrates me despite the fact that I like and feel bad for her. (Fwiw she *is* a legal resident and she's a college-educated woman from Western Europe though, not some SEA mail order bride or whatever.)
Just buy cheapo stuff, spending money is for wankers. You don't need gucci expensive stuff to camp, hike or hunt. You don't need even a 4x4 to access most campsites, just learn to avoid rocks.
What would 80% of PrepHole threads be about then?
I have OCD and only buy premium products. There's really no reason because there are plenty of Chinese shit that are 75% as good at 1/4 the price.
Like most hobbies, it's only expensive if you need all the gear RITE NAO. If you're patient, you can go to thrift stores and find all the stuff normies bought and donated because they either tried camping and hated it or loved it and upgraded. The only expensive thing I bought new was my Lowa boots.
So... be a little uncomfortable. The point isn't to be out there in the lap of luxury. It's never going to be comfortable. Get comfortable with being uncomfortable.
Go camping in the summer, all you need is a tarp and a blanket. You probably have these things somewhere in your home already. Heck, half the time in the summer I just cowboy camp.
I've passed out drunk in people's bushes in the middle of August in nothing but a pair of shorts and woke up feeling fine. You don't need shit to go outside.
How do you keep the bugs out while sleeping outside a tent?
Generally when I'm camping alone I just sleep inside my car.
I personally treat my wool blanket and clothing with permethrin. Wear a little bug spray to bed. Haven't particularly had an issue with bugs that way.
BE CAREFUL ANYONE READING THIS
PERMETHRIN KILLS CATS SO IF YOU HAVE A CAT DONT USE IT OTHEREWSE YOU MAY ACCIDENTALLY KILL IT
Good.
Frick cats.
They kill shitloads of wildlife because too many people cant bear the thought of their precious Moofy going to a pound. So they release her into the wild to go feral instead.
Get a noseeum net.
What the frick are you homosexuals even talking about?
A nearby national forest has a pretty sweet campground that’s $7 a night in the primitive area (no water, electrify, or tent pads, and no RV’s allowed).
You don’t. They’ll crawl all over you, into your sleeping bag, in your hair, up your nose… inb4 no they don’t. You homosexuals must all live in Southern California or something.
>want to go on 2 week hike in canadian rockies.
>Need Backcountry permit
>No random camping sites
>Have to use "official" sites which are just a random cleared out square in the middle of nowhere
>Have to also buy a different permit for each individual site for every day I stay.
>Have to have a strict schedule so I can make it to each camp site on the date my permits are for.
Im seriously tempted to just not get any permits at all and just go on a free schedule stopping and camping wherever and whenever I feel like it. Frick national forests and their money grubbing tactics
Also forgot to mention these fricking permits get almost completely sold out for the entire summer within like a day of the new year.
That’s literally every national park. How new are you?
>frick national forests
You weren’t in one.
Bring a rifle. Camp wherever you want. Shoot park ranger if he tries to ticket you. Canadian laws are jokes at this point anyway. Who gives af? No one takes your laws, your people, or your moronic prime minister seriously.
Babbies first park PrepHoleing in Canada? If it weren't for the reservation system people could squat on the camp sites indefinitely. You think it's bad trying to get a reservation for a camp site? Just imagine how bad it would be to show up to a park and not be able to find a place to camp, or have to share with some strangers. if you don't want to deal with that shit your only solution is to hike/canoe further than everyone else, and if it were that easy everyone would be doing it.
I don't know about Canada, I don't go there because it is full of Canadians which I don't like.
But there is a reservation system for the US National Parks for the reasons you cite. But the problem is people make reservations and then don't show up, and they suffer no penalty. This results in loads of empty sites all the time. I was in Big Bend all last week and had the next to last campsite on a dead end backcountry road. The other 4 sites on the road wearer reserved the whole week but only 2 were occupied, and those only 3 days of the 7 I was there.
No shows reserve several months in advance and pay their $10 a day or whatever, and when their plans change they don't bother to cancel and just eat the $70. If they were banned for the next 3 months or something, or if they got hit with a no show fee of $500, maybe they would take the time to cancel.
I reserve sites near where I'm staying just to keep them empty. Better nobody is there at all than some buttholes blaring music and leaving trash everywhere.
Yeah thats why I dont pay for any campsites and just camp wherever I feel like it. Let the paypigs contribute to the upkeep of trails
>have to share
Oh no. The horror.
Yes, sharing a camp site with some random strangers is indeed horrible.
My brother in christ, are you trolling
Also consider what would happen to the parks if anyone could set up camps anywhere. They would be destroyed within a matter of years at which point there would be no point in even visiting them. Restricting camping to designated sites is part of conservation, you total noob.
Just skip the permits entirely. Thats what I did when I hiked the great divide trail up through the entire canadian rockies. I spent 32 days hiking and only like 3 times did I actually see anyone else at any of the designated camping spots. And even then there were a ton of unused ones even though they were apparently all "booked"
I spent 0 dollars on any fees or permits, my only cost was resupplying every 5-10 days
Black folk like you are why reservations are a necessary evil. You just aren't capable of self-governing.
>Noooo! You can't just sleep in an unoccupied spot for free! You have to pay the yuppie tax so the government can build more roads!
Skurka is that you??
Bro... just camp wherever you want a small distance off the trail/road. Unless you are blasting music literally no one will ever find you lol.
Imagine paying to camp
Not that anyone should have music going while outside anyway
>wah! I have to pay for campsites!
That’s how they keep the campsites clear of homeless people and squatters. It’s basically just enough to clear out the yahoos and keep the campsites up.
>wah! I can’t get a campsite!
It’s almost like national parks are for everyone else too. Funny how that happens.
>making honest people pay for camping will keep squatters out
>government employees will actually maintain sites
It's okay if you've never been to a national park, anon. You don't have to pretend.
I live in Ontario and I've never seen squatters at a camp site. And I actually have had park rangers do a random check on me in Algonquin to make sure I was there legally.
>I've never seen squatters at a camp site
>Homeless people
>squatters
>In the middle of nowhere over 60km from the nearest 5 building outpost
Overcrowding never has and never will be a problem on any trail thats more than a 1 day hike from civilization
>up your nose
One time while out camping I was picking my nose and pulled out a small beetle that was encased in hardened snot. Kinda like that scene with the mosquito in amber from jurassic park.
That's pretty dope double O seven.
Woke up once with a snake halfway in my underwear. Luckily it wasnt a biter
how do you winter camp with less
how come in reverent they jump in and out of cold water and still make it through snowy nights on fire alone
You sound like a derelict.
>he doesn't know
milsurp
dont pay for campgrounds
Homeless people die in the streets all the time lol
Camping gear is a trade off. You can have comfort at the expense of skill or money. So get one of those.
If you can't get skill or money you must be tough, and eager to suffer.
you dont need to buy shit
literally everyone already has a sleeping bag, and you can usually get a tent for free from the lost property box in a backpacker's hostel.
>how do homeless survive
they don't go in the middle of the woods and put up a tent thats how
L
Get a minivan and a shotgun and you are FREE
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grandma_Gatewood
It can be as simple as a shower curtain. Although you may at least want a metal pot and a knife too. Leaves and deadfall can make a nice insulating bed, heating stones on a campfire and burying them can keep you warm on cold nights. There’s also swedish torches and ways to burn logs so they roast for the whole night. If you are worried about rangers banning campfires you can look into dakota fire pits for stealth.
Squirrels, berries, edible plants and mushrooms are easy to find on a trail. Water can be purified by boiling or digging a small hole near a stream and letting it fill. And funny enough people can be quite generous with food on the trail, seeing it as extra weight.
Of course a lot of this is WORK. The last thing you want to do after a long hike is work work work. That’s where most of the convenience of camping gear plays in.
According to Earl Schaffer, Grandma Gate was a fraud. They were hiking the trail at the same time, and she was leaving towns after he did but arriving at other towns several days in advance. So basically she was hitch hiking most of the way. She was also making a nuisance of herself, begging for food and even money. He disclosed all of this in an interview at Trail Days like 20 years ago.
This is the same woman who was arrested for domestic violence against her husband and abandoned two of her children to “hike” the AT. All of this is now a forgotten part of her life, and instead we’re supposed to take her on her word that her husband was really the one who was abusive (for no reason) and she really did hike the entire trail in a single pair of Keds. Believe all women! The legend is more entertaining than the truth, I guess.
All you need is the ten essentials. Buy cheap and slowly get more/better stuff with experience.
camping is a hobby. when people moved out of tropics they constructed houses to survive while in Africa people comfortably camp year round to this day. military camping is a different game altogether because of complex logistics, no army ever marched without a shitload of beasts of burden
>You have to buy so many bits and bobs unless you want to be dead or uncomfortable.
yes. unless you bushcraft everything, which you won't have time to do before dark unless you set off at 6am and really know what you are doing and that all the resources you need will be present where you intend to camp.
>How do homeless people survive … unless they're dying on the streets regularly?
yes. they suffer, and do drugs to mask it. then die.
also a lot of them aren't homeless, they just sit out there to pretend to be homeless and scam you.
t. former homeless.
If I was actually homeless and met somebody pretending, I'd probably stab them to death and steal their stuff.
You can get that stuff lightly used for pretty cheap sometimes too.
>If I was actually homeless and met somebody pretending, I'd probably stab them to death and steal their stuff.
problem then is that they might stab you back, it's not a one shot KO, you just piss off a crackhead.
also you're likely to get caught by police unless it's really innawoods in which case people don't pretend to be homeless out there, only in the city, where there's CCTV.
btw these photos are the derelict building i repaired and was squatting in. barely offered any protection from the elements, holes everywhere, including the roof, made the ceiling fall down.
But look on the bright side, if you get caught by the police, you get free food and housing for the next 25 to life.
just fyi being inside is worse. when you're a free man, you're a free man! you can make your situation better, in prison you are locked in with the wolves with no hope of making anything better. and the wolves are stupid and violent.
I'm having a crappy time lately and this comment actually made me feel better, in that at least I'm not in the slammer and can try making things less shitty. Thanks, anon.
glad to be of service anon, i once made a pact with another anon when i was down and out;
>Try to make things better and keep going no matter what.
Want to join me? I made that pact over 5 or 6 years ago and I have remembered it all this time because it had such a huge impact on me. I'll never kill myself, no matter what, because if things are really that hopeless, I have nothing to lose, and I'm totally set free, then I can just go out for the rest of my life.
Will you join me in this pact? To keep on going and try to make things better no matter what?
youre overthinking it
baby steps anon
food, shelter ,proper clothing, heat source
>camping
>expensive
How much would you pay for a night at a hotel? 1 night gets you a backpack. 1-2 nights gets you a sleeping pad. 2-3 nights gets you a sleeping bag. Another 3 gets you a tent. Cooking setup can be had for half a night's money. All of this mid to top of the range. That's a week spent at a hotel plus change. And you can use this stuff for years and years before having to replace any of it. And if you're just camping instead of backpacking, you can get away with spending half the amount.
because people want to larp as outdoorsmen and nomads without leaving the luxuries and commodities of city life, like electricity, running water, air conditioning, and internet access.
That's all comfort material u can just sleep in ur clothes if u want
Through hiking is expensive. Camping, even hiking out to a spot and camping is pretty cheap. I used to use an exclusively Coleman lineup for the longest time. Coleman mummy bag, Coleman sundome, little Coleman self inflating mat and a mini cotton pillow. It was heavy as shit, but I'd rarely go more than 6-8 miles a day with it and it only cost like $150 ish bucks all together. Good times.
>Through hiking
You have to be independently well off to not have to work for months on end.
>You have to be independently well off to have no home and walk around with a tent
Most of it you will only buy once.
I intend to spend £400/~$485 on everything (apart from food/clothing) and that includes a fishing gear. That's a pretty low entry to a hobby and will last a long time with proper care.
you can literally do whatever you want. you are a human. use nature to your advantage. don't have a $200 axe? make one. don't have a $4,000 tent? build a hut. don't have a $500 outer shell for rain? stop being a pussy. use animal hides and forage/hunt for your food. to be honest you don't even need the yt link but 99% of urbanized humans have no idea how to survive without processed food, plastic, electricity, and 4 sources of visual and auditory media being constantly streamed into their brain.
The cost depends on how much discomfort you are willing to endure.