Why is American tech performing so well in Ukraine? From javelins knocking out multiple armored vehicles in one sitting to HIMARS blowing up ammo dumps 70km Devine enemy lines. The Ukrainians have even started painting murals of the javelin and naming their babies after it. How long until the first HIMARS mural?
>why actual modern tech and proven and continuously updated equipment wrecking outdated cold war slav shit and tech that had 90% of their development cost embezzled away
It's a mystery.
Because russians suck and use outdated equipment
Yeah that didnt work in vietnam
>Yeah that didnt work in vietnam
Vietnamese are an intelligent and hard working people. Russians are russians.
Vietnamese were tough bastards that had a battle-hardened core of men who had spent their entire lives fighting for their country's freedom. They were actually fighting for a cause that even the most braindead moron can get behind (namely: freedom from foreign occupiers). Meanwhile, they were fighting South Vietnamese (who often didn't even have food or ammo because South Vietnam's government corruption was on the same level as Russia's) and an increasingly unmotivated US army. The US kept things from falling apart, but as soon as they left (because the US lost any motivation to stay), South Vietnam got eaten.
Russia is now facing the same problem. Russia is fighting a highly motivated army whose soldiers are often literally defending the land and cities they were born in and have family in, while all that Russia has is a bunch of buttholes that are just there for the paycheck and some morons who were dumb enough to swallow propaganda.
Superior technology is definitely helpful, but Ukraine's will to fight has been absolutely instrumental in actually making that tech a worthwhile advantage.
Ukrainians HATE the Russian invader. This is personal.
Actually, it did. The US won every battle. It was only political hobbling that kept us from winning the war.
Stop coping ffs. We didn't "win every battle" in the strategic sense dipshit. Shooting asiatics doesnt win wars, it just wins firefights. War is politics continued by other means. We lost the frickin war. Accept it and move on.
>His retort concedes that they won every battle and failed politically
What did he mean by this?
You can't seperate the two as you inhale copium. Militarily, we failed. Politically we failed. The two are not seperate arenas. Even tactically the extreme waste that went into killing relatively small numbers of asiatics was a military failure. Every "won battle" was a defeat in the truer sense. Tired of seeing people thump their chests over how we totally definitely would have won we just didnt because we didnt feel like it.
>Militarily, we failed
point out where
>killing relatively small numbers of asiatics
lol
it was a political loss and net loss, but you've been buck broken by the moron spam
No, you very much can seperate the two you fricking spastic.
>Military: did you win every battle and dominate the area of operations? Y/N
>Political: did you solve the underlying socio-political issues causing the insurgency? Y/N
The US lost the war in Vietnam. Just accept it and keep it moving.
And since the entire war was about politics and regime change, the US lost its primary objective, while the North Vietnamese won theirs. Killing random people doesn't make a winner. A side can lose more people but win as long as their primary objectives are met.
>The US lost the war in Vietnam.
Literally every single person in this thread is in agreement. No one has disputed this. You are arguing with ghosts.
>A whole load of cope conflating political objectives with military objectives
I'm sorry America did whatever it did to you, your people or whatever shit hole you come from.
>We didn't "win every battle" in the strategic sense
Point out the lost battles, then, dipshit. Pushing north vietnamese back into their part of the jungle was very much a military success while it lasted.
And then we lost the fricking war you absolute morons. Its not the Napoleonic age where wars are decided in major battles. Its like 1960s staff officers are literally posting in this thread. Its an insurgency. Win as many set piece battles as you want, you didn't move the front, because the front is all around you. The NVA and the Viet Cong represent the same enemy in a different disciplines. Like branches of their military. You can beat the NVA up and down the country. And they did. But that. doesn't. matter. The fact that that is still not understood is so painful and a reason we lost in the middle east too. Killing shitskins and asiatics accomplishes absolutely nothing. Stop talking about the bodycount, they tried that in the 60s too. It doesn't matter.
>did we kill a lot of asiatics? (yes)
>did we lose the fricking war anyway by not defeating the insurgency? (yes)
>SEEEEEEE THEY"RE TOTALLY DIFFERENT!
Goddamn anon. Suck Westmoreland's dick some more lol
>>did we kill a lot of asiatics? (yes)
>>did we lose the fricking war anyway by not defeating the insurgency? (yes)
Correct. The military operation was a success the political operation was a failure.
This level of idiocy on your behalf suggests some sort of alterior motivation as no one could possibly be this idiotic.
>Win as many set piece battles as you want, you didn't move the front, because the front is all around you. The NVA and the Viet Cong represent the same enemy in a different disciplines. Like branches of their military. You can beat the NVA up and down the country. And they did
You're literally agreeing verbatim with their premise you fricking autist.
I'm saying that factually those two premises are correct but the seperation of the two is wrong. Clausewitz even said that war and politics are the same thing. They're linked inseperably. Strategically the military lost just as much as they won tactically. That doesn't divest blame from the military to the politicians at all. Trying to do so is horseshit Pentagon copium.
>But Clausewitz
>But Clausewitz
No one is saying the war was won you fricking moron. They are saying that despite losing the war due to political failings the military aspect was a success in that the military was able to win their battles and dominate the battle space. This being in relation to the application of military equipment and technilogy. Which YOU FRICKING AGREED WITH.
http://www.g2mil.com/lost_vietnam.htm
>hippie homosexual misinterprets shit and lies about history
i'm gonna need a better source than that
If you don't bomb every road and field in the country and drive the entire population out with starvation, it really isn't total war. Unironically.
>Conventional weapons don't win political victories
Shocking.
>Yeah that didnt work in vietnam
the modern technology absolutely worked, the politics didn't
Even the ancient stinger has put in great work. A beautiful end to a long and storied career
>This post is advertising or begging
Daily reminder to bet on your national industry
It's not that they're overperforming, it's that Russian convoys are underperforming. They are specifically being used against soft convoys who don't post actual lookouts and infantry support to suppress the operators before they got a chance to set up and use them.
I think that's changing now, but it takes a lot of work to change sloppy behavior, they could keep locating and hitting convoys while they're unaware and never run out.
tldr never make fun of truckers again, their jobs are a lot harder than they look
>They are specifically being used against soft convoys who don't post actual lookouts
no russian convoys are doing their job due to terrible training and equipment. besides, we've already seen dozens of videos of tanks and ifvs eating javelins
Americans are very generous, Putin thanks you all (a Christian nation indeed!)
Why Russia is capturing those spent tubes?
What does "nato weapons" even mean?
If they are not operated by a troop under nato command, they can not be nato weapons.
Damned vatniki and their newspeak. You keep on spouting these phrases that are just plain wrong.
nato has standards for its weapons
>nato weapons vs warsaw pact weapons
>newspeak
The frick is wrong with you dude
Bro NATO uses standardized calibers/weapon systems so all NATO nations can share weapons and ammo.
Are Japan, Mexico or South Korea in NATO, now? They also use weapons in NATO calibers.
They really treat the NATO stuff like alien tech wunderwaffes its hilarious
>They really treat the NATO stuff like alien tech wunderwaffes its hilarious
Because they really are compared to their stuff.
oh no they captured pallets
did we got too wienery natosisters?
they don't know what they are, no need to worry
they'll just use them as firewood
Send more tanks, it's good deal
Lmao, most of the war is fought with soviet era Russian equipment, western equipment gets all the attention because Ukrops hope to get even more weapons if they advertise them, even absolutly useless pieces of trash like the switchblades.
The high quality low number western equipment has truly shown its supremacy by defeating high number soviet Russian equipment that is why the Oinkrainians have stopped the Russian advance and succesfully counter-attacked..... Oh wait,kek.
Our military industrial complex is #1!
do it makes up for short cutted penis?
Imagine not siding with the israelites. They’re chosen by GOD. You think they’re gonna lose? Hah read a book.
Lol why do you think about our penises so much? I don't think about yours at all.
Imagine for a moment that you make an ArmA scenario where the attacking side has only things that were in vanilla ArmA 2 and the defending side has weapons/equipment from vanilla Arma 3
>Spend more money than the third world has combined on developing weapons specifically to kill thirides
>The weapons are good at killing thirdies
Gee, anon
You are watching US media, while I'm sure the gear is good always keep in mind propaganda is always useful.
Switchblades flopped, while WarMates are getting a public funding campaign in Ukraine to buy them.
Switchblades are alright. The javelins and HIMARS are the 2 really impressive systems
Javelin is so fricking kino. Being able to pop armor from range with a dismounted weapon that can be carried on patrol is huge. It really is no wonder why the javelin is held in such high regard amongst Ukrainian regulars
There was that one article that said SOME units preferred civilian drones over switchblade but other Ukie operators have had a lot of success with them.
It’s preference, not failure.
Is it possible we're just not seeing switchblade footage because they're only going to elite units who don't film engagements and/or the US forbids filming of their employment?
What's the point of having two redundant sensors on Javlin? Why can't be there just one - on the missile?
Because having the missile be the primary sensor means that it has to be exposed while scouting. Having an optic on the CLU allows you to 1. Have a more expensive optic on the CLU 2. Have the CLU double up as independent surveillance equipment 3. Keep the missile safe and protected until it's ready to fire.
I can't think of any modern ATGMs that use the missile as the optic.
There's also the plain boring simple thing that always applies when you're talking about any rocket at all: weight. Grams of optic are grams that aren't fuel or high explosive, end of story. There is every reason to put as little on the missile as possible while still having it do its job so it can go as far/fast/bang as much as possible.
Also the sensor needs to be cooled, this is done in the missile with a single use nitrogen bottle so once the sensor is activated you only have ~15 minutes that seeker can see for.
The CLU can be reloaded with extra cooling in the field without expecting a grunt to crack open a missile without killing himself or fricking it.
Because Russians STILL DO SHIT LIKE THIS 4 MONTHS INTO THE WAR:
https://twitter.com/TpyxaNews/status/1541349565949005824
> sending tank columns with absolutely no intel/recon/IFVs/infantry ANYTHING
What has me fricked here is the other vehicles see the lead hit a mine and instead of getting back on the road where it's hard to hide mines they all keep pushing up the field.
Am I moronic?
those are donations
>technology developed for a war with the Russians excels at a war with the Russians
America is unironically 100 years ahead of Russia and China, and 50 years ahead of the UK/Germany in military tech. Look at this beauty, it's ancient tech and the cucniks/chinks still have no counter or equivalent to it.
Subsonic death trap piece of shit that maneuvers like waterlogged plywood.
sour grapes, lol
Nah, burger here. This plane is trash. The ancient starfighter would mog this turd.
They had to limit how the plane maneuvers to keep pilots from killing themselves. Who makes a spy plane incapable of mach speeds?
>Devine enemy lines.
bc it was designed to fight russian equipment during the multi-decade cold war of the previous century and its finally being used to that end
Is it? I assume that its successes are simply reported more to encourage Americans to send more (so that the Ukrainians will need their toes as well as their fingers to count them lmao) and to make Ukrainians think that they have a technological advantage. And obviously, nobody except Russia is going to report on its failures.
>t.
More, they even dedicated a classic Euro dance pop song to the Javelin.
>Javelin to the maximum
>The orcs will not feel very well.
>I left on a tractor
>Came back with a tank.
The night is moon, starry, clear!
Apparently, though orcs collect
Come out, Russian orc, ours tired
Though on a minute in the grove
Javelin on the maximum
Orkam will be so much
He left on the tractor
Returned with tanks
Where did you take not ask
I won't turn it
Better take out in the field
I will give the Armed Forces
The orka body will lie in the soil
The Armed Forces will help
The Armed Forces will help
Gives on the pedal of the Bandorovtomobi
BITCH
Rides on the road and maybe on the water
Neptune woke up
And the trident gave the brazen
He drove the ship
Glory to Ukraine
The orka body will lie in the soil
The Armed Forces will help
The Armed Forces will help
>marry qt ukie blonde that worships my rich white peen
>mind-blowingly depraved sex
>name all kids after NATO weapons in reverse chronological order
>run out of names, start having to name kids after WW2 Naval vessels
russian women will give you vatBlack person sons tho. Its worse then racemixing.
>name all kids after NATO weapons
>run out of names
bruh, you're not a fricking amoeba