Why have things like GLSDB, Switchblades and Brimstones been such ineffective memes?

Why have things like GLSDB, Switchblades and Brimstones been such ineffective memes?

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >GLSDB
    It would be interesting know details about why the GL was disliked by ukranians, maybe it can't get GPS lock if there's EW and the timeframe is limited. The GPS receiver and accelerometer are 3-4 order of magnitude more precise than the UMPK to give a comparison (tbf the UMPK isn't very precise, that's why russia uses them with FAB 1500 kek).

    >Swtichblade
    for nth time, that's a AP drone designed for SOF, it works but not at the desired price point for this war.

    >Brimstones
    That missile is unironically pure sexo, reportedly out-ranges the lastests Hellfires. But they didn't receive a lot and their use was kinda classified/no recorded, as most missiles in Ukraine. Compared to the number of NLAW, Stingers and Javelins received the number of videos is 'scarce' because they aren't FPV always recording.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Caius

      >It would be interesting know details about why the GL was disliked by ukranians
      I still haven't heard anything negative from people I know who are actually using them. Keep in mind that ukraine's defense press is full of idiotic doomer clickbait. I saw an "analysis" the other day that all but said point-blank that GLSDB amounts to a glorified FAB-50.

      They extrapolate these clickbait takes from things like offhand commentary from a US under-secretary of who gives a shit, speaking at a Conference on The Dicksucking of Tomorrow. Which the yooks often hear about first via russian demoralization troll farms.

      >maybe it can't get GPS lock if there's EW and the timeframe is limited.
      The thing about this is that it's well-understood by the operators that YMMV under extremely GPS-degraded environments. You do your best to avoid being put in scenarios where super scarce PGMs are your best option, of course. There's well-defined ukie doctrine concerning when to scrub a launch over russian jamming. So I don't see GLSDB accuracy issues being a plausible problem. If the environment is too degraded for a reliable strike, the guys aren't gonna launch...

      I see a "backlash effect" happening with weapons that had a long time-lag between MSM reporting and first deliveries that doesn't appear to track any actual performance issues with the weapons themselves. I think that's the main thing happening here. MSM wants razzle-dazzle. And in some twisted sense, they feel morally robbed by the failure of their own hype cycle to have a nice resolution with lots of high-profile followup coverage for them to bask in.

      After all - most journos don't think of themselves as deeply cynical, scum-of-the-earth bottomfeeders. They want to believe they are amplifying directionally-correct things. So when it comes time to rationalize why their editor is asking them for updates on their clickbait and nothing new has materialized, they will find many explanations before blaming themselves.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Caius

        >I saw an "analysis" the other day that all but said point-blank that GLSDB amounts to a glorified FAB-50.
        https://defence-ua.com/weapon_and_tech/chomu_pentagon_spokijno_ignoruje_nepridatnist_glsdb_do_realij_vijni-15166.html

        Re UMPK - sometimes I get the feeling that ukraine's defense cheerleaders would love nothing more than ten thousand MOABs of their own per month. It's like they think you can win the war by emulating the plan to carve chunks out of alaska with nukes.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          we should ship our MOABs to them

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          we should give them nukes

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >all but said point-blank that GLSDB amounts to a glorified FAB-50.
        Isn't that more or less exactly what it is? Isn't that the point?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Caius

          No, it's significantly more capable than a FAB of comparable weight.

          The only news about GLSDB is how it failed. Considering the fact that there was no positive reviews of it at all and zero footage. For that people decided that it failed

          Apart from the fact that there is footage. 0/10

          >I don't see GLSDB accuracy issues being a plausible problem. If the environment is too degraded for a reliable strike, the guys aren't gonna launch.
          >It's not like the accuracy is a problem, but it's so inaccurate that it isn't worth to launch
          clap-clap-clap
          nice equilibristics

          You never have to launch under adverse conditions if you don't want to. VKS sortie rate is extremely weather dependent. They practically don't fly at all when limited to IFR. But you wouldn't know that, because you don't know anything. You don't even know how to formulate the bait to make sense. negative points / 10.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Apart from the fact that there is footage. 0/10
            I have seen dozen GLMRS videos but have seen maybe ONE GLSDB strike on house in Kherson region. If there's more videos I'd like to see them

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The only news about GLSDB is how it failed. Considering the fact that there was no positive reviews of it at all and zero footage. For that people decided that it failed

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >I don't see GLSDB accuracy issues being a plausible problem. If the environment is too degraded for a reliable strike, the guys aren't gonna launch.
        >It's not like the accuracy is a problem, but it's so inaccurate that it isn't worth to launch
        clap-clap-clap
        nice equilibristics

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The brouhaha over GLSDB started when Bill LaPlante, a pentagon undersecretary for procurement mentioned some weapons system had underperformed in Ukraine
        >"One company, I won't say who they are, they came up with a really cool idea of taking an air-to-ground weapon and doing a ground-launched version of it, and it would be a long-range fire weapon,"
        >"We said, look, just test for safety. Otherwise the operational testing will be non-cooperative with the Russians," according to LaPlante. "And so then we sent it to Ukrainians. It didn't work."
        >"It didn't work for multiple reasons, including [the] EMI [electromagnetic interference] environment, including just really ... doing it on [the] ground, the TTPs [tactics, techniques, and procedures], the DOTML [the doctrine, organization, training, and materiel] – it just didn't work," LaPlante explained. "And what happens is, when you send something to people in the fight of their lives, [and] it doesn't work, they'll try it three times and then they just throw it aside. So that's happened, too."

        So based on that it sounds like Boeing rushed a half baked product. Jamming is a problem but they didn't even have the damn user manual written. Hopefully they can fix the issues and bring it back.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Sounds like most of the issues are doctrinal in nature. The Ukrainians would rather just use GMLRS and ATACMS rather than learn to use a completely new rocket that competes for space in a HIMARS cell.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >…speaking at a Conference on The Dicksucking of Tomorrow.<

        Playa, I am SO stealing that line…

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      GPS is more accurate and redundant, but is easy to jam. GLONASS isn’t as accurate but is more resistant to jamming, and also since Russia controls is more secure against back-end messing with. GPS can hardened but I don’t think Ukraine benefits from that — unless the US or someone in NATO is helping them with beacons — if those are even possible in such a warzone I’m not sure. We know from that leak last year that some in Ukraine thinks that GPS has been degraded which is why there were issues with their JDAM-ERs — but that Pentagon experts pushed back saying that shouldn’t be the case and that it’s just user error. I would really like it if we ever found out what the actual situation is. Anyway the new Kometa module the Russians are using appears to be a lot better in terms of accuracy but I have no idea how many of them they’re making or what their actual performance is.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >GPS is more accurate and redundant, but is easy to jam

        Old GPS anyway, the newer electronics that US military is upgrading to are jamming resistant.

        Many products sadly use the older variant though.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          there is no such thing as new gps

          the only true "new" gps if you wanna even call it a gps will be starshield

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        GPS and GLONASS have woughly the same basic accuracy. GPS is sometimes better because they have more ground stations in some regions.
        All modern commercial satnav chips are multiband and automatically use signals from all four satnav systems. Yes, including your iPhone too.
        GPS is already an umbrella term for satnav in many languages, so when you read GPS translate it as Satnav.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        GLONASS is no more resistant to jamming... they still use a similar sized band almost on the same wavelength.
        You think you can come in here and spout bullshit like muh glonass superior axaxaxa and not get called out for it?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yes yes I made it all up and failed to pretend that I had an authoritative knowledge on the subject by extrapolating a surface-level understanding.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Caius

            They're assessing GLONASS within the high north (more specifically, 2 degrees above the artic circle) in that paper. It's true that GLONASS has comparative strengths in the high north - the constellation was designed for that. Coverage took heavy hits everywhere else though. The findings don't generalize in the context of the ukraine war.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Caius

              arctic

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            We’ve seen how effective Russian PGMs are over the course of this war, which is to say we authoritatively know they suck hot wiener. No amount of lying about GLONASS will change this, Rasheed.

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    To my knowledge brimstone was shipped in very low quantities. It's possible it's held back in case of emergency. IIRC it came in truck mounted launchers so I can see the logic of holding back a small and relatively fast asset with huge armored killing power for if a breakthrough were to occur, especially given the low quantity but I'm just speculating.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >GLSDB
    Small Diameter Bombs = Shit in actual war because if your enemies spread themselves out, good luck. War in open areas need the extra boom.

    >Switchblade
    Its introduced at a time where cheap drones are no cheap at all.

    >Brimstone
    The Brits likely don't even produce enough to make a difference.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Make a difference
      Every little helps. Especially from a Tescos van.
      If they send 250 a year that's 200 dead tanks and 600 more dead tankists. 200 out of 30,000 isn't a whole lot, but it comes with no cost to Ukrianian lives, and that adds up.

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >I POSTED IT AGAIN!

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Why have things like GLSDB, Switchblades and Brimstones been such ineffective memes?
    Jamming. Russians didn't have ECM at the start and suffered heavy losses because of it. They learned. Now they are slapping jammers on everything to frick with all guided weapons. It fricks with their radio too, but they don't care because they're still using human and tank waves sent in a general westerly direction and carpet bombing everything to clear the way. It's not efficient and it means they only get to capture piles of shattered concrete, but they seem okay with that.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Russian EW is very extensive. The only reason why the Ukies have a dedicated battlefield communications link at all is because of Starlink. The Russians have reportedly also began “stealing” Starlink via hacked terminals they acquired from elsewhere and the Pentagon has been working with Starlink to see how they can stop that. Also reportedly the Russians have been constantly trying to jam it and are actively ramping up their efforts. Starlink is super-robust against traditional jamming though so who knows if they’ll actually get anywhere with that.

      The Russians also do, technically, have a modern radio data network but in the beginning of the war their actual supply and deployment was a joke and they’re probably now just letting the, be jammed in order to cover the front with EW. They’ve set land-lines from all their forward command posts.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Starlink WAS effectively jammed when it appeared in Ukraine, the jamming used to made starlink batteries discharge much faster than they do in normal circumstances, but since then this algo was patched.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Starlink WAS effectively jammed when it appeared in Ukraine
          It was jammed for effectively one day until SpaseX pushed single change

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Switchblade

    Overpriced, low production numbers, weak to jamming, pitiful payload, limited range.

    Everything it did cheap Chinese drones do better.

    >Brimstone

    Worked great against tanks but stock ran low and they ran out. Also it's expensive and UK production speed is snail paced.

    >GLSBD

    No idea. My guess is if they aren't working so well is because they are easier to intercept by anti air than other types of missiles.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Switchblade
      >China
      Funny you should mention that, China showed off a Switchblade clone last year. Wonder where they got them from.
      >Brimstone
      Were hardly heard anything about these for some reason. Theoretically they should be very strong against vehicles in this war being immune to EW and being passively guided. Russians ahave thermal camouflage but there’s no evidence they use that extensively. Probably since last year they haven’t bothered deploying large-scale armor concentrations and the Ukies don’t have enough of them to shoot randomly over the front looking for targets of opportunity. Brimstone I would be too low-range for counter-arty work, were Brimstone IIs ever supplied? They were reportedly working on ground-launching them but that would really reduce their range vs air-launched.
      >GLSBD
      If GPS is really being heavily degraded at the front than these will probably not be a high priority weapon. The newer ones (SDBII) iirc have a laser-homing option too but I don’t think the Ukies have ready availability of laser-spotting. Are they getting laser-guided variants?

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Brimstones
    Russians are literally dressing up tanks as Dachas to stop them from being identified as tanks by Brimstone's radar, after losing several platoons to them during assaults

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No they aren’t. Hilarious you have to pretend this is the case

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >STILL no phoenix ghost footage

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    add excalibur to the list
    https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2024/04/another-us-precision-guided-weapon-falls-prey-russian-electronic-warfare-us-says/396141/

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    M-code GPS is the jam resistant. Hell they are just now putting it in JASSMs

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I think JDAM also has SAASM, so they’re resistant.
      Lots of jamming cope is to justify other poor operational failures, and not the weapon actually being successfully spoofed.

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Add bayraktar, starstreak, abraps, challenger, leopard, gepard, NASAMS, IRIS-T to that list as well.

    Crazy how many wet noodles there are when you count it all up over time.

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Brimstone worked great. Being able to rapidly pickle off a bunch of fire and forget missiles and have them all take out a different tank is not even unknown technology to Russians its NATO black polish gypsy magic.

    The problem is very few were sent.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >and have them all take out a different tank
      Had never happened in combat: sorry to break it to you

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        which dream did this come to you in?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          What dream did the “and have them all take out a different tank” come to you in? Can’t find a single recorded instance of this happening. Can you link it please? Drones are used to film the effects of guided rocket artillery so I’m sure they would have also filmed the tank holocaust as well

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It's literally a design feature of that missile. It's more or less a swarming weapon developed to replace air dropped cluster munitions.

            That failed river crossing with masses of dead armour was confirmed to be brimstone plus artillery.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Wikipedia says
              >but maybe it caused the River crossing massacre because some unnamed source alluded to it
              Source?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Source

                The UK's defence minister.

                >https://x.com/Gabriel64869839/status/1761051182645019030

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The UK's defence minister.
                >"day xxx of Putins 48hr brunch in keev" .. "the 2nd best army in ukraine"..."its only nato's garage-sale hand-me-down gear!.. only 5% of the US defense budget to kill Russians!... "were just getting rid of our oldstuff so the MIC can replace it will all new high-tech stuff across the board!".."Russias GDP is uganda! Russia has already lost, it just doesnt know it!" "Russia can leave at anytime!" "Putins price hike!"
                Wallace was like the 2nd coming of the beatles™
                british invasion even!
                every song? a hit!

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Wrong defence minister

                >source: biased source
                >proof: none
                Implessive

                The account isn't biased and it posts a direct quote. Sorry for gaping your ass with a source that you hoped didn't exist.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                A direct quote from the defense minister of the country is biased. The British government got caught lying about the performance of the rapier in the falklands to preserve foreign sales. Why would I take their word on this?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's only biased if you're britblasted fart sniffer. Sorry that GLSDB was a flop.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I don’t care at all about the GLSD or its performance. I also didn’t post a quote from an American official claiming that it works I promise

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                And yet here you are in a thread about poor US weapon performance. Brimstone has performed well unlike the two American weapons mentioned here.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >brimstone has performed well
                According to the brits yes. The Americans also claim the switchblade works well. I’m not going to lose sleep over it like you though

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                And acording to the Ukrainians. The same people who have complained about switchblade and GLSDB.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I can also cherry pick articles
                https://www.defensenews.com/digital-show-dailies/ausa/2022/10/11/switchblade-kamikaze-drone-production-to-ramp-up-following-ukraine-use/
                > Ukraine has “considerable interest” in getting and using the Switchblade 600
                https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambling/2022/06/08/failure-or-savior-busting-myths-about-switchblade-loitering-munitions-in-ukraine/?sh=106cde51369f
                > Ukrainian forces posted the video because it showed a successful strike
                Sorry

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Who's cherry picking? You asked for a source and I posted an indisputable one.

                Switchblade has performed poorly, it's old, obscenely expensive and it's not standing up to jamming.

                That was fine 15 years ago in the GWOT but not in Ukraine. Funny how you're suddenly rushing to the defence of something you "don't care about at all".

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It’s true I don’t care at all about the switchblade. I just enjoy pointing out the good press it’s received when I saw you cope posting about the brimstone.
                >But the Brit’s say it’s good
                >ignore the fact they have been caught lying about performance before
                Nah. Sorry you won’t sleep well tonight

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The British government got caught lying about the performance of the rapier in the falklands to preserve foreign sales. Why would I take their word on this?

                And the US said saddam had WMD's, what's your point?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >source: biased source
                >proof: none
                Implessive

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      implessive

      how many layers of AD did the aggressor have to penetrate to strike that hilltop flag?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        against russia? none

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Supposedly the famous crossing armour massacre was partly done by brimstone.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >supposedly

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >gets BTFO and posts deleted in the k21 thread
    >immediately comes here to defend the honor of an ancient air launched ATGM that is hardly ever talked about
    Why is Nigel like this?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I haven't had any posts deleted, my posts ITT are literally the extent of my 4 chan use in the last fortnight.

      Unfortunately you still hang around here like a bad smell.

      It’s true I don’t care at all about the switchblade. I just enjoy pointing out the good press it’s received when I saw you cope posting about the brimstone.
      >But the Brit’s say it’s good
      >ignore the fact they have been caught lying about performance before
      Nah. Sorry you won’t sleep well tonight

      Brimstone shits on American missiles. You literally dont have anything that can compete. SDB was meant to be great but turns out it's easy to jam.

      NLOS anti armour capability is pretty important now.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >that was a different anon on the verge of tears with identical posting style
        https://desuarchive.org/k/search/deleted/deleted/

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >identical posting style
          I beg you, please explain this. Is it Speaking English?

          How in the frick has GLSDB been “ineffective”???

          Reliant on GPS which Russians can effectively deny in areas they need to protect. It's caused problems with the GPS GMLRS rounds but they have INS too.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >It's caused problems with the GPS GMLRS rounds but they have INS too.
            All American GPS guided weapons are INS guided with GPS correction.
            The problem is that GMLRS comes crashing down at slightly under Mach 2 so it spends almost no time inside GPS spoofer range while GLSDB has to glide through jammed regions.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            But how do we know this?? Ukraine has only had GLSDB for like, 49 days (if that!) and so far they’ve been asking for more. Its range is long enough that it can easily hit targets further in the rear, and Russian EW has consistently been shown to be shit

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              EWgay seems be under this weird impression that SDB doesn’t have INS backup and that the GPS systems they use in their missiles are the same as the civilian grade devices you use on your phone.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I’m an EWgay irl (as in I work in the electronic warfare industry for the MIC) and I’m blown away by the number of morons who think Russian jammers are magic that “just works” Todd Howard style. Clearly Russian EW is GROSSLY inferior to Western EW, as we can see their hammers getting blown up on the daily by things that they are supposed to jam. Maybe they work every once in a while, and obviously the nature of EW is to adapt so as to better deny, deceive, defeat, etc… but holy shit people have to be moronic if they think one or two instances (of which we have no proof of, it’s all hearsay that GLSDB have been defeated by EW) are somehow proof of a NEW weapon systems ineffectiveness. Mind you, I emphasize NEW because we haven’t had the opportunity to see GLSDB get used much.
                The only people who would genuinely write it off at this point are shills. The ones who disingenuously write it off are also shills, but they could be MIC/Defense shills who are whining for more, or vatnik shills who know they’re full of shit but do their shilling for the dollars (or rupees, as is most likely the case)

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Does your dad work at Nintendo too?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >y-you can’t really be a SME and disagree with my propaganda, there’s no heckin way!!
                Catch me in the daily “Ukie drone blows up Russian anti-drone jammer” thread 🙂

              • 4 weeks ago
                Caius

                At the market-manipulator / psyop agency level of things, I'm not so sure it's even a demand for instant gratification that's driving this stupidity, so much as an ongoing effort to encourage social media pressure to keep up a general media expectation that transparent battlefields are the only battlefields.

                The reason this is so damaging for quietly effective weapons is that is puts pressure on those in positions of power and influence to become talking head asshats rather than stay the course as dignified doers-of-needful who know how to STFU and avoid squandering information advantage.

                Shit like "Herp derp, GLSDB kinda fuarkin BLOWS son!!" stated less than NINETY days into combat use is such a fricking knuckledragger move, the kind of shit you expect from mouthbreathing morons who need to be told not to eat day-old slabs of ham you left out on the range. Stuff you have to put up with from chicks who get baited by the manipulation tactics mentioned in the first 5 minutes of PUA videos from 2007. Not the kind of shit you want to be hearing from your procurement officials because they didn't have anything spicy to say at a Rotary Club luncheon.

                Realistically, society used to deal with this by lots and lots of alcoholism, pressed suits, shoe shine, domestic violence, and death at an early age from massive coronaries. It's clear we have to figure out a way to reintroduce some kind of collective shame for public figures when they say out of pocket shit that they know is liable to bounce around the world and reverberate in the skulls of every ztard before the day is out.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              If I gave you a weapon system for a month would you have an opinion on how that weapon has performed?

              EWgay seems be under this weird impression that SDB doesn’t have INS backup and that the GPS systems they use in their missiles are the same as the civilian grade devices you use on your phone.

              Mcode is only a slight increase in signal strength and reshresh rate/resolution. It's by no means umjammable, it's a satilite that's a long way away with only solar power.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Mcode's main advantage is its encrypted so it cant be spoofed. Jamming with a simple noise jammer is still pretty easy given how weak the signal is.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No one is saying its being spoofed. Access to it's signal is being denied, which increases CEP a lot - which in a weapon designed to have a small payload that hits the target - is a fatal flaw.

                Also there is zero chance Ukraine has M-Code GPS weapons because these weapons are landing in Russian territory. M-Code is US only.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >No one is saying its being spoofed.
                And neither did I. I was only stating that's its main advantage. Jamming is the primary problem.
                >Also there is zero chance Ukraine has M-Code GPS weapons because these weapons are landing in Russian territory. M-Code is US only.
                I don't know about that. The details of Mcode are classified but I would find it hard to believe they are using fixed symmetric keys. Mcode is a modern system and implemented in the GPS-IIRM satellites Its probably using asymmetric keys that have a limited lifespan and therefore capturing one isn't really a risk.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If I give you a gun with three bullets and you shoot it twice, only hitting one time, do you decide not to fire the third shot because
                >hurr durr 50% accuracy is unreliable!!1!
                It takes good data and lots of practice to formulate a valuable opinion. Yes, shills will have knee-jerk reactions, but that’s why we disregard their opinions

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They were given 500 and despite being short on ammunition, they have now stopped using them. The only one who is shilling is the person who thinks that's insignificant.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >500
                Source?
                >stopped using them
                If they’ve been using them since February, then they’ve probably run out of them. 500 is fricking nothing.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You literally don’t know how many they used. Stop pretending you do.

                The GLSDB contract was worth $33 million. A single GLSDB—a GBU-39 winged glide-bomb attached to a surplus M26 rocket motor—costs just $40,000.

                Ukraine might get many hundreds of GLSDBs. Assuming, of course, Boeing and Saab didn’t spend most of that $33 million on development.

                ... Five or six hundred GLSDBs

                >https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2024/02/14/after-a-12-month-wait-the-ukrainians-are-finally-firing-their-90-mile-glide-bombs-at-the-russians/?sh=6f63a45f6308

                Ukraine has stopped using them.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >pure speculation
                Cool
                >from Forbes
                Very cool
                >that assumes development cost was between 10-25% of the contract
                Insanely cool

                So.., you have no fricking clue at all and are the same variety of pajeet/thirdie shill who screeched about every single weapon system that’s been delivered for the past two years? Nice.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >>that assumes development cost was between 10-25% of the contract

                Of a weapon who's main component was already developed.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So you admit your number of 500-600 in ukraine is baseless in several levels, as is your claim that they stopped using them during an artillery shortage? Thank you

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You literally don’t know how many they used. Stop pretending you do.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They were given 500 and despite being short on ammunition, they have now stopped using them. The only one who is shilling is the person who thinks that's insignificant.

                >500
                Source?
                >stopped using them
                If they’ve been using them since February, then they’ve probably run out of them. 500 is fricking nothing.

                NTA but I remember a thread here that sourced the first delivery’s of bombs in Feb as consisting of 71 GLSDB. So 500-600 isn’t happening in 2 months, that’s complete horseshit. Given how development probably cost 20 million, I’d be surprised if they get more than 200 total (until new contracts and production lines are secured)

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How in the frick has GLSDB been “ineffective”???

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There was recently off hand quote by one American MIC guy that "weapon that is used from air, adapted to land launch and was ineffective due to EW"

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The media isn’t reporting on it therefore the weapon must be a failure.
      Some people are just really simpleminded like that.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        How in the frick has GLSDB been “ineffective”???

        Looks to be an obsessed brit

        I haven't had any posts deleted, my posts ITT are literally the extent of my 4 chan use in the last fortnight.

        Unfortunately you still hang around here like a bad smell.

        [...]
        Brimstone shits on American missiles. You literally dont have anything that can compete. SDB was meant to be great but turns out it's easy to jam.

        NLOS anti armour capability is pretty important now.

        Who's cherry picking? You asked for a source and I posted an indisputable one.

        Switchblade has performed poorly, it's old, obscenely expensive and it's not standing up to jamming.

        That was fine 15 years ago in the GWOT but not in Ukraine. Funny how you're suddenly rushing to the defence of something you "don't care about at all".

        And yet here you are in a thread about poor US weapon performance. Brimstone has performed well unlike the two American weapons mentioned here.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Not even my thread lol.

          https://www.youtube.com/live/L8IBwse5sgQ?si=4_22cud693BLTjIl&t=3150

          (52:30-53:30 things that worked, 53:30- GLSDB)

          Have you heard of survivorship bias? Evidence of hits doesn't mean it's done it in an EW environment. Russia can't protect all areas with EW.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous
          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >okay fine it hits but it might not hit sometimes

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              No one claimed it had never hit anything, the claim is that it's capability is degraded enough to be unreliable.

              >It's caused problems with the GPS GMLRS rounds but they have INS too.
              All American GPS guided weapons are INS guided with GPS correction.
              The problem is that GMLRS comes crashing down at slightly under Mach 2 so it spends almost no time inside GPS spoofer range while GLSDB has to glide through jammed regions.

              Speed doesn't matter, it's still correcting course in the last moments based on bad information. Having GPS and INS doesn't mean they work independently. GLSDB has an INS system that replies on GPS for its initial position - the air launched version would get this from the plane.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Speed doesn't matter, it's still correcting course in the last moments based on bad information
                But it does matter.
                INS suffers from drift over time. When jamming is detected and the weapon switches to INS, which protects it from going completely off course but loses accuracy the longer it spends in pure INS without GPS correction.
                Good but outdated information can lead to a wide miss simply because of INS drift. If a missile is dropping at over Mach 1 there's almost no time for drift to affect the INS reading.
                >Having GPS and INS doesn't mean they work independently.
                INS is by definition independent. It uses inertia to detect changes in acceleration with no outside measurement necessary after the gyros are calibrated.
                >replies on GPS for its initial position - the air launched version would get this from the plane.
                Which would be launched outside the jamming bubble.
                The SDB gliding at a lower speed requires it to spend more time inside the jamming area which means greater chance for successful GPS spoofing or simply the jamming forcing a default to INS and loss of accuracy as it drifts over time.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >When jamming is detected and the weapon switches to INS

                Not how it works.

                >INS is by definition independent.

                Please tell me you think the I stands for independent. But no, you're a moron.

                How does the gyro know where it is when it spins up (it doesn't) it gets that information from GPS, it's launch platform or even the fricking stars. It is impossible for a INS system to determine it's location on earth by itself. All it does it track movement from a known start point to figure out where it should be now.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You are a fricking moron who doesn’t understand how inertia works, apparently

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I beg you, please explain how a gyro thats just spun up and started measuring motion knows where on the planet is without data from another source. I'll wait.

                So you admit your number of 500-600 in ukraine is baseless in several levels, as is your claim that they stopped using them during an artillery shortage? Thank you

                It's a reasonable estimate. You just need to to be 3 delivered for your cope.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It knows the directions it is currently heading, and keeps heading that direction, you FRICKING MUPPET. What the frick do you think INS does?? What do you think happens when GPS is down and there’s no course corrections being made for X amount of time, where X is effected by the SPEED OF THE OBJECT (as in how long it spends in a jammed area while purely guided by INS, ie, its own inertia

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You're so triggered that you're barely coherent. No GPS means a much bigger CEP. That makes a weapon with a tiny warhead unreliable, which is why it's failed in Ukraine. Should have bought brimstone.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >no GPS
                I’ll eat my hat if Russians ever figure out a way to actually FULLY jam GPS. Losing GPS satnav for a minute is bad and means the weapon can’t hit small targets at the extremity of its range reliably. It’s fine for the VAST majority of targets within its range

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You can jam GPS yourself with a radio antenna and a big enough power source. It's not exactly a secret frequency.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Of course I can, I’m not Russian

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                He's just fricking with us. Just because a GPS guided weapon can enter a jamming bubble, he's now pretending that the launch vehicle (aircraft or MLRS) is hopeless and can't hand off the position data to the INS up to the launch moment.
                It is true that when you double integrate acceleration to get position your p(t=0) is unknown and you can only reference to that location without knowing where it is. But the soldiers manning the MLRS battery know where they are, aircraft know where they are, so they can easily hand off that coordinate. The weapon has long range, so unless enemy secret squirrels have sneaked a GPS jammer behind enemy lines the weapon will come off the rails with the correct starting position.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                NTA, if the munition is in a jamming bubble, how can it receive updated coordinates or relay its own INS data back to the launch platform somthat it can receive course corrections?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I tried to make it understandable to cretins like you. And I’m glad you admit you have no source at ALL and are making an INSANELY unreasonable estimate, given how the MIC works, while at the same time failing to realize that GLSDB have been working just fine in Ukraine since they arrived. Just because one Artillery team complains about them doesn’t mean the weapon is bad, nor does it mean they are ineffective. I’d break it down in slightly more complex terms but there’s no point. If you were too dumb for the three bullet analogy (seethe about it btw) then why should I explain to you how weapon performance is supposed to be evaluated

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >INS is by definition independent. It uses inertia

                >When jamming is detected and the weapon switches to INS

                Not how it works.

                >INS is by definition independent.

                Please tell me you think the I stands for independent. But no, you're a moron.

                How does the gyro know where it is when it spins up (it doesn't) it gets that information from GPS, it's launch platform or even the fricking stars. It is impossible for a INS system to determine it's location on earth by itself. All it does it track movement from a known start point to figure out where it should be now.

                >Please tell me you think the I stands for independent
                Are you fricking moronic? You could have read three more words.
                >How does the gyro know where it is when it spins up (it doesn't)
                Typically that data is given by the launcher. And the launcher knows where it is.
                >it gets that information from GPS
                And the launcher is not inside jammer radius so that GPS data will be correct.
                >It is impossible for a INS system to determine it's location on earth by itself
                Yes. But like all forms of dead reckoning, you don't start using them when you're completely lost and have no references. You start using them when you start your trip. You're trying to use the exception to disprove the rule. You can start an aircraft and take off before your INS is spun up. You don't do that unless it's an absolute emergency and you need to scramble. Waiting for INS to be working correctly is part of take off.
                And a weapon getting a fix for its INS during launch is part of the hand-off. Unless something has gone severely wrong, a long range weapon will be launched away from enemy jammers, so the INS will by default be capable of shutting off GPS updates and just accept the loss of accuracy. The exception doesn't disprove the rule.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >And the launcher is not inside jammer radius so that GPS data will be correct.
                But its not a single GPS fix. It's correcting drift the whole time and when it enters the target area it can't do this.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >It's correcting drift the whole time
                That's how INS works.
                >when it enters the target area it can't do this
                Which means it defaults to INS which incurs error.
                A high speed missile spending a grand total of half a second inside jam radius will slam the target.
                A glide weapon doing banked turns to come from a good approach angle will have greater drift and thus loss of accuracy.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                And that's the problem with GLSDB, the dumb booster is spin-stabilized rockets and it fricks with the SDB's GPS receiver-INS. By the time that it stop spinning is well in the LOS of enemy jammers. Nothing of that affects the normal SDB in the same degree. GPS shells with small antennas have similar problems, they're prone degraded accuracy by jamming.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://www.youtube.com/live/L8IBwse5sgQ?si=4_22cud693BLTjIl&t=3150

      (52:30-53:30 things that worked, 53:30- GLSDB)

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Don’t mind me, just posting a link to a successful GLSDB strike. But don’t worry SARS, we will do the needful and stop redeeming them

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >successful GLSDB strike

      Your video shows that it hit the ground, is that your benchmark for success? Meanwhile brimstone stopped an amphibious operation in one of the most kino moments of the war.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        > Meanwhile brimstone stopped an amphibious operation in one of the most kino moments of the war.
        Cool any video or do I have to just take the British source as fact

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You don't have to take anything, your opinion doesn't matter. Did saddam have WMD's?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This is the only video with clearly visible SDB

      There're at least 2 other videos but (ignoring shitty edits) without a visible glider bomb before the explosion.

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Switchblade
    Overpriced, low production numbers, weak to jamming, pitiful payload, limited range.
    Everything it did cheap Chinese drones do better.
    >Brimstone
    Worked great against tanks but stock ran low and they ran out. Also it's expensive and UK production speed is snail paced.
    >GLSBD
    No idea. My guess is if they aren't working so well is because they are easier to intercept by anti air than other types of missiles.

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The moron that desperately israelitegles his replies is back, it seems. Still wrong, still a low IQ mobgoloid, no matter how many article headlines you read.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I didn't realise warriortard went away

  19. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Switchblade
    worked great , low production numbers,pitiful payload, limited range.
    Everything it did cheap Chinese drones do better.
    >Brimstone
    stock ran low and they ran out. Also it's expensive and UK production speed is snail paced.
    >GLSBD
    No idea. My guess is if they aren't working so well is because they are easier to intercept by anti air than other types of missiles.

  20. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because it's low yield ordinance designed for low intensity conflicts. I'm not saying precision strikes are a meme but they still need a warhead that can get the job done.

  21. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    On August 23, 2023, a Brimstone-2 missile fired from a Ukrainian boat destroyed a Russian S-400 missile site in Cape Tarkhankut in western Crimea

  22. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That's simple you only listen to russian propaganda.

  23. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    "Precise weapons that gets guaranteed kills/destructions = bad!" latest news headline written by a transexual journo that gets paid 2 cents per article

  24. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Business idea: tv guided 120mm mortar bomb

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