Why exactly are booby traps illegal?

Why exactly are booby traps illegal?

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  1. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    whoa, a slide thread!

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      no i just wanna hear the rationale and logic. especially if they're on fenced off private property with warning signs everywhere. why's area 51 and fort knox allowed to use them but you're not?

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >no i just wanna hear the rationale and logic.
        Trespassing some random private property does not carry the death penalty and it's pretty fricking hard to argue self-defense when someone walks into your punji sticks.

        >why's area 51 and fort knox allowed to use them but you're not?
        National security.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        They are indiscriminate. You can't claim self defense when the firefighter trying to drag your ass out of your burning house gets got by your rubegoldbergian bullshit.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          This, this is pretty much verbatim what I came to say

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          He shouldn't have violated the NAP by means of trespassing and attempted kidnapping.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Because the state has a monopoly on violence

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          This is the romantics answer

          They are indiscriminate. You can't claim self defense when the firefighter trying to drag your ass out of your burning house gets got by your rubegoldbergian bullshit.

          This is the utilitarians answer

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Because 9/10 the only one a booby trap is gonna kill is the guy who set them up in the first place, or the Amazon delivery guy.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        On a military base they'll just shoot you. No need for traps.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >why's area 51 and fort knox allowed to use them
        They're government
        >but you're not?
        You're not

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Why don't they defend the border the way they defend area 51 and fort Knox?

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Defending 1500 miles of open land is somewhat more expensive then defending like a few thousand feet of building.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          because lethal border protection measures are draconian and look very very bad.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >you go out to grab a Monster Zero Ultra to recoup lost fluids
        >the chinese desk fan you use to cool yourself off during multi-hour gooning sessions was left on and malfunctions badly
        >your house goes up in flames while you're away
        >firefighters have to break down the front door get in with the handline and save whatever and potentially whoever they can
        >breacher gets a load of buckshot as soon as he's past the door
        >get back from store
        >met with a house that was left to burn to ashes and reckless homicide charges in the best of cases

        >you're perusing dank memes on your shitposting throne
        >kids kicks a ball into your backyard while playing
        >dumb but innocent kid brains don't want to annoy the grown up and the ball is right there just past the fence
        >you hear a screaming
        >look out your window
        >local kid with his leg stuck in the punji spike pit and all his friends freaking the frick out

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >be fireman
        >fat gay moron PrepHole mall ninja is dying of a heart attack from never exercising
        >force my way into said moron’s house
        >get maimed by booby trap

        Also, people forget they have booby traps set and maim or kill themselves.

  2. 4 months ago
    Anonymous
  3. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >11 year old chases after her dog and falls into one of these
    >you bait your ex that you hate over, and say she must have tried to break in
    >random idiots are designing their own traps, which creates innate risk and danger.

    That's why. Too easy to abuse, too much room for accidents. I also wouldn't trust randoms to design them.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      > her

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      11 year olds actually run out in front of distracted drivers.
      Ex's actually fall to drugs, alcoholism and depression
      Random idiots are allowed to do every other dangerous thing that's legal

      It's really because law enforcement doesn't want to get rekt when they no-knock raid the wrong mother frickers house. And gives the government prosecution system another charge to drop on you.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >11 year olds actually run out in front of distracted drivers.
        And indeed we make distracted driving in a variety of forms illegal (no drugs, no texting, no watching movies, etc) and then also would charge said drivers with manslaughter. Not sure where you were going with this beyond you being a moron.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >no texting while driving
          >make modern cars with ipads right in your fricking vision
          Sorry m8, the west has fallen

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >And gives the government prosecution system another charge to drop on you.
        >Getting taken alive.
        Ngmi.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >muh no-knock raids!
        >muh red flag laws!

        homie that shit is old news, the schizo right is just mad that EVERY red flag seizure has been completely justified.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >I wouldn't trust randoms with freedom
      communists like you make me sick

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Schizo lolbertarian blowhards like you deserve every ounce of derision you get.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          He probably doesn't even know where Aleppo is

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Or Grafton NH. Or maybe he does but won't want to talk about it given how that ended in sex offenders and bears.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              >~200 people moving to a town over the course of a decade causes bear attacks

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yes you filthy fricking city slicker flatlander. It takes very few people leaving their fricking garbage out and feeding bears to change bear behavior in a real hurry. Or attract tons of other vermin for that matter.
                >nooo this is libertarian utopia!! mom you can't tell me to clean up my room!!!!!!
                Tourists feeding bears are a menace even when they aren't living there.

                If you want to do some lolbertarian commune more power to you but do it by setting up your own place from scratch.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Look what nu/k/ has come to.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >I wouldn't trust randoms with freedom
        We already do that all the time when the freedom has the ability to seriously maim or kill others. What the frick is a driver's license?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Hippity hoppity kids stay off my private property.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >That's why. Too easy to abuse, too much room for accidents.
      You would be smart guy iff... pitbulls didn't exist. But they exist.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/hUAgwu8.jpg

        >*grabs your kid out of nowhere*

        In civilized countries owning a shitbull is against the law.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/hUAgwu8.jpg

        >*grabs your kid out of nowhere*

        >gets shot as soon as I see it off the leash coming onto my property
        sorry piddle diddums I do not wish to "be friends" and shitbulls are classified by law here as dangerous animals that must be under direct owner physical control.

  4. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I've stood in that exact spot
    Probably due to the Geneva convention

  5. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why exactly is OP such a homosexual?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      dedovchina

  6. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because you don't actually own your land, you're just leasing it from the govt and we can't have agents/officers getting injured when they come over for unannounced mandatory penis inspection days.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >unannounced mandatory penis inspection days.
      Post yfw the feds do a no knock penis inspection raid on your house

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      But that's the best day of the year.

  7. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's only illegal if you lose.

  8. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >fcc

  9. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    The correct answer is that violence is only considered legally justifiable for civilians if it is used for defense. Specifically, defense from an immediate threat. Booby traps do not wait for you to have a reasonable fear of bodily harm. Even if they were legal, any attorney worth their salt will use them as an example of pre-meditation and how you "just wanted to hurt people" regardless of your own safety.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      While traps and full AI weapons should definitely be illegal IMO, fwiw anon:
      >Specifically, defense from an immediate threat
      this is not true, it varies by state. In some states a variety of felonies justify use of lethal force, there isn't any need to judge whether it's a personal threat of bodily harm to you or not.

      Because if there's an emergency at your home it would be quite unfortunate if the EMT's/firefighters got punji-staked

      Right, this is yet another form of "a human needs to be judging the situation", because not even everyone "trying to break into your house" is a threat, they may be trying to save your life.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        I'm willing to bet that the overwhelming majority of the felonies you're referring to are forcible felonies where the threat of death or great bodily harm is just assumed (arson, rape, aggravated assault, etc.) I don't doubt there are some laws that permit the use of lethal force for cattle rustling or some shit, but that is surely the exception to the norm.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          The majority sure, but I'm thinking specifically of burglary, which by legal definition (contrasting with robbery) doesn't involve direct threats to people (it's not necessary anyone even be inside). In Vermont for example justifiable homicide is:
          >13 V.S.A. § 2305 Justifiable Homicide
          >(a) If a person kills or wounds another under any of the circumstances enumerated below, the person shall be guiltless:
          >(1) in the just and necessary defense of the person’s own life or the life of any other person;
          >(2) if the person reasonably believed that the person, or any other person, was in imminent peril and that it was necessary to repel that peril with deadly force in the forceful or violent suppression of a person attempting to commit murder, sexual assault, aggravated sexual assault, burglary, or robbery;
          And burglary is
          >§ 1201. Burglary
          >(a) A person is guilty of burglary if he or she enters any building or structure knowing that he or she is not licensed or privileged to do so, with the intent to commit a felony, petit larceny, simple assault, or unlawful mischief. [...]
          >(2) “Occupied dwelling” means a building used as a residence, either full time or part time, regardless of whether someone is actually present in the building at the time of entry.
          So lethal force is permitted even if someone thinks I'm not home at all, and never knows I'm there before I shoot them in the back. There is no duty to warn or retreat.

          But that still doesn't justify any sort of trap. And it still requires some discernment, because you need to be able to make some reasonable argument of intent.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >akshullee premeditated murder is allowed
        What state are you allowed to preemptively shoot someone in """self defense"""?

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Any state that allows using lethal force vs burglary. Read the thread moron, I posted the statute for Vermont and it's not alone. Burglary is not a matter of self-defense, that's robbery.

  10. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because if there's an emergency at your home it would be quite unfortunate if the EMT's/firefighters got punji-staked

  11. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Booby traps aren't illegal specifically. Endangering people's lives with cause just isn't legal unless you can prove that you tried to rule out other possibilities.

  12. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >my sweet 5 year old princess is running around playing with the dog in the yard
    >accidentally sets off one of my claymores meant for the agents of the Antichrist (local PD)
    >mfw

  13. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Why exactly are booby traps illegal?
    It's a basic and pretty decent principle that while killing another human can absolutely be justified under many circumstances, there should still be a conscious judgement about doing so each time. Whether you're using a gun or an axe, when you defend your home with it you are making an active decision having judged the situation as well as you can tell, and you are also clearly responsible for that.

    Whereas traps (or full AI for that matter) means no human making that call. It'll just act with no judgement, against anything. It can also be forgotten about completely.

    I actually think a remote controlled drone or turret could be a fine thing someday for home defense, there's no inherent reason you yourself have to be at risk. I personally think that the act of breaking into a home at all is already worthy of death, my property is absolutely worth more then a burglar's life and I'm glad I live in a state where robbery and burglary both justify lethal force. But I would still agree that I myself have to push that button after looking through the camera and there should be a 1:1 relationship there each time. Human lives are worth enough that humans should decide about killing them.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >there should still be a conscious judgement about doing so each time
      It's one thing to put landmines all over your backyard, and another thing to booby trap your safe full of NFA items. Is killing someone with a booby trap less big of a deal than letting career criminals get a hold of a crate of machineguns? The persecutor will persecute you, but ultimately, it's for the jury to decide if your illegal act was justified.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Is killing someone with a booby trap less big of a deal than letting career criminals
        >career criminals
        See, this right here is the mental trap you're falling into anon. You're automatically assuming that it's a "career criminal" breaking into your safe of NFA items, vs your family or someone else down the line because you died in a tragic accident and being a professional paranoid turbo autismo never got around to sharing the safe combo or even what you had, nor told anyone about your booby traps. Now they've come across it while cleaning your house. In most places this is a much more likely scenario then your career criminal one. And why not just have a better safe and then a bunch of alarms, including these days networked ones that can let you or whomever else know wherever you are? If you're talking high-5 to 6 or 7 figures worth of stuff, that justifies a true safe/vault and professional security.

        You're illustrating the entire problem with traps: no human discernment, on top of which humans like you will not think about it and just assume their priors.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          You're wasting your breath because OP's IQ score is 20-30 points below average.

          This is kind of going into looney tunes territory but whats the law on less lethal trap options? Replace a flag grenade trip wire with a flash bang smoke or tear gas.

          Banks use dye pack bombs to ruin stolen money and stain a thief's clothing/hands. You could definitely get away with something similar as long as it didn't cause injury.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Whereas traps (or full AI for that matter) means no human making that call. It'll just act with no judgement, against anything. It can also be forgotten about completely.
      guard dogs are allowed even though they act on their own

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >guard dogs are allowed even though they act on their own
        They aren't traps. There is no surprise involved, part of the point indeed is loud deterrence. They are also strictly regulated, people can kill them, and there is historical path dependency there, in that a lot of "guard dogs" are also pets and provide companionship as well. I know it's very, very hard for internet autismos to get but the law isn't a computer program.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >*grabs your kid out of nowhere*

  14. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    If some kid or drunk ignores the signs and wanders onto your property, is that worthy of death? Booby traps can't make any kind of distinction so anything that can plausibly kill is excessive.

  15. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    no real reason, only bootlicker excuses, go become a congressman and make them legal as god intended

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Don't tell others what to do if you are too homosexual to do it yourself

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >as god intended
      The bible specifically says that there is blood guilt involved with killing a man who is not an immediate and direct threat to your life.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Puts EMS or police at risk inadvertently

      Libertarians are the stupidest Americans

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        That title is reserved for commies drinking starbucks.

  16. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    lawyers swear an oath to the Crown
    the crown deems it illegal so they can raid you without excessive defenses

  17. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's a massive liability. The king's men; cops, firefighters, paramedics, people that clean up bodies, etc... don't want to have to contend with the idea of everything being booby trapped whenever they have to enter a residence. If 1% of all residences were like a saw movie, they'd be forced to treat all residences as such. Furthermore, in just about everyone's ideation of an perfect world, children should be able to just wander around and be relatively safe when exploring.

  18. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    So the government can have an easier time breaking into your house; That's what it all boils down to.

  19. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    there you go https://youtu.be/bV9ppvY8Nx4?si=F3GYxBW3BrL6dx4k

  20. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    This is kind of going into looney tunes territory but whats the law on less lethal trap options? Replace a flag grenade trip wire with a flash bang smoke or tear gas.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      It depends on what you mean here by "less lethal". You'll have to check your own state law but in most places I think like here it'd be less serious but still illegal, the same way punching someone in the face (without justification) is still assault, but much less serious than shooting them in the face (murder or attempted murder, assault with deadly weapon). Basically, the question you have to ask is
      >"if a firefighter coming to save my life was caught by it what would the result be?"
      or
      >"if I forget to turn it off and guest's/neighbor's kid wandered into it what would the result be?"
      So if it plays an airhorn or turns on bright lights or something? That's fine, it doesn't hurt the person at all. If it tases them or tear gas or the like? If it would be assault for you to do it to a random person yourself it'd be illegal as a trap too.

      There are carveouts in some states for hunting or dealing with pest animals, but those still require reasonable care be taken to avoid any human interaction.

  21. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    imagine being a firefighter/paramedic/delivery guy/police officer and booby traps become legal.

    i would immediately quit the job.

  22. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because a law was passed by a legislative body! Hope this helps!

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Because a law was passed by a legislative body!
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_law

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Because a law was passed by a legislative body!

      Why are you implying anybody should care about this? A bunch of rich child rapists in a room don't have the moral authority to tell you or anybody else what to do.

  23. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    instead of booby traps that cause harm or death, create ones that cause insane inconveince
    >extra sticky trap
    >color bombs
    >pepper spray irritants + loud noises

    if the goal is to deter theft then the above 3 should make someone frick off who is already on edge because tresspassing

  24. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's not a boobytrap, I just so happen to store my sharpened spikes in this subterranean storage pit outside my door with a quick-access hatch.

  25. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Uncontrollable, huge potential for collateral damage, and statistically the most common victim of a domestic booby trap is the frickwit that made it in the first place.

  26. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >your gardener or some kid dies because they went in your yard

    Oh sorry society I just wanted to frick around with boobie traps because I'm a paranoid schizophrenic.

  27. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    They aren't made of boobies.

  28. 4 months ago
    Anonymous
  29. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >sign says no trespassing
    >basically useless since cops, firefighters and illiterate Black folk can just do whatever the frick they want

  30. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    because they maim indiscriminately

  31. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    heh booby

  32. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Be contractor, out doing work on some doomsday prepper nutjobs house
    >Go out into backyard to take a smoke
    >*click*
    >Step on what turns out to be not one, but five anti-tank landmines wired together
    >Get turned into a fine red haze in Earth's upper atmosphere, causing confusion and debate among astronomy enthusiasts for weeks to come.
    >mfw

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >anti-tank
      If they were anti-tank mines he wouldn't be heavy enough to set them off.

  33. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Throw wienertail party with all your friends and family.
    >As soon as everyone is in arm the house for "uninvited guests"
    >Don't tell anybody about the traps
    >Choke on a wienertail shrimp and pass out
    >Paramedics called
    >They are on their fifth wave of emergency responders trying to assault your house to save your life

  34. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Why exactly are booby traps illegal?
    because the government and the israelites are afraid of them.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      No it's because we elite superior humans have to constantly tardwrangle to untermenschen like yourself, who require proper regulation. You should be grateful at our benevolent oversight.

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