Probably only 30% of the amount of 25mm.
Spamming ammo > Low count precision Ammo.
Moreover whats good an IFV is if it does not have enough Ammo to help cover entry and extraction of infantry.
To be fair, IFVs are expected to do certain actions that aren't expected of others, like recon by fire and suppressive fire so magazine depth is more important.
>Probably only 30% of the amount of 25mm.
if volume is taken under consideration 50mm is 8 times bigger as there are 3 axis to every volume - that would mean 12,5% but larger means less packable with more space wasted - so its probably 10% or less rather than 30%
>>only 12.5% larger by your standards
25x25x50 box has 12,5% (1/8th) of the volume of second one
50x50x100 box has eight times the volume of the first one
if something is "twice the size" its volume will rise 8 times as all 3 dimensions get doubled
2x2x2 = 8
>>then you bring it down to 10% larger or less
when you start putting bigger boxes into space that was filled with smaller ones you will loose some of the capacity as new, bigger ones wont fit everywhere old smaller ones did
additionally i doubt that 50mm will be belt fed - and that means autoloader that has its own bulk...
Diminishing returns. There's a certain dead zone in between 40mm and 105mm where you're losing capacity without gaining flexibility. Thats why 90mm guns mostly died during the cold war, you've got all the downsides of a 105mm+ gun but you cant actually damage modern tanks.
Why do you keep remaking threads even after they just got deleted. It seems like you are mindbroken by the Bradley’s over performance in Ukraine. 25 just works it’s that simple. It isn’t underpowered for its role. Cope and seethe
>everyone is moving to 50mm+ because it has the potential to be used against MALE drones >MALE drones however are rapidly losing their relevance on the battlefield due to their vulnerability to SAMs
from the outsiders view this doesn't make too much sense in the long run when a smaller round like 30mm or 35mm seems pretty ideal for general utility and then an ATGM for harder targets and heavy IFVs. what am I missing?
The 50mm that the Army wants for OMFV is just a necked-out 35mm so it fits in the same space. For the HE shell this means more HE content at the loss of some velocity.
Because every shell will contain a computer as well as the payload in the future. They'll be more like micro missiles without the rocket. Each shell will be programmed upon firing to explode in the exact place and in the exact profile that is necessary for maximum effect, be that before as an airburst for drone defense, downwards over the top of trenches, various penetration timings for different types of walls and armours etc.
How many rounds of 50mm could you hold? A couple dozen at best?
Probably only 30% of the amount of 25mm.
Spamming ammo > Low count precision Ammo.
Moreover whats good an IFV is if it does not have enough Ammo to help cover entry and extraction of infantry.
>Spamming ammo > low count precision ammo
If that's true, it's only true for IFVs. Every other bit of ordnance has shown the opposite to be true.
To be fair, IFVs are expected to do certain actions that aren't expected of others, like recon by fire and suppressive fire so magazine depth is more important.
>Probably only 30% of the amount of 25mm.
if volume is taken under consideration 50mm is 8 times bigger as there are 3 axis to every volume - that would mean 12,5% but larger means less packable with more space wasted - so its probably 10% or less rather than 30%
>8x bigger
>only 12.5% larger by your standards
>then you bring it down to 10% larger or less
how
roughly- 25*25*height*8 = 2x25*2x25*2xheight
He is referring to total capacity instead of size. Did you fail geometry?
>>only 12.5% larger by your standards
25x25x50 box has 12,5% (1/8th) of the volume of second one
50x50x100 box has eight times the volume of the first one
if something is "twice the size" its volume will rise 8 times as all 3 dimensions get doubled
2x2x2 = 8
>>then you bring it down to 10% larger or less
when you start putting bigger boxes into space that was filled with smaller ones you will loose some of the capacity as new, bigger ones wont fit everywhere old smaller ones did
additionally i doubt that 50mm will be belt fed - and that means autoloader that has its own bulk...
>Probably only 30% of the amount of 25mm.
shut uppp i hate moron nerds
Spamming ammo > efficient targeting and spotting optics > Effective suppressive ammo
I don't have the Bradley vs t90 video to prove this empirically but use ur imagination
30% seems right. When the Marder 2 was developed with the multi purpose RH-503, the 50mm variant had a 300 rounds at the ready
Not that guy, but I could probably squat about 50 or 60 of them, at least. I'm not the strongest guy, but you know.
SOON
Because then congress will say there's no need to fund MICV to replace Bradley
What blew up this time
Oil refinery in Smolensk
Because the 25 has proven to be extremely effective and you seething doesn’t change that
Diminishing returns. There's a certain dead zone in between 40mm and 105mm where you're losing capacity without gaining flexibility. Thats why 90mm guns mostly died during the cold war, you've got all the downsides of a 105mm+ gun but you cant actually damage modern tanks.
Why do you keep remaking threads even after they just got deleted. It seems like you are mindbroken by the Bradley’s over performance in Ukraine. 25 just works it’s that simple. It isn’t underpowered for its role. Cope and seethe
>everyone is moving to 50mm+ because it has the potential to be used against MALE drones
>MALE drones however are rapidly losing their relevance on the battlefield due to their vulnerability to SAMs
from the outsiders view this doesn't make too much sense in the long run when a smaller round like 30mm or 35mm seems pretty ideal for general utility and then an ATGM for harder targets and heavy IFVs. what am I missing?
The 50mm that the Army wants for OMFV is just a necked-out 35mm so it fits in the same space. For the HE shell this means more HE content at the loss of some velocity.
is moving to 50mm+ because it has the potential to be used against MALE drones
Nah. Its because of this. BMP-3 armor overmatch.
the 50mm bushmaster is just straight walled 35mm. AP characteristics are virtually identical to 35mm
50mm SS APFSDS is slightly better than 35mm, and 35mm is slightly worse than 40 CTA.
Why don't we make a rerun of the Panzer 3 and add this gun to it.
we dont need 50mm
its too much
25mm does it all
50mm cannot do all
bigger calibers are the future
why
more effective against modern IFVs, more space for shit like airburst or plain old HE. the army seems pretty set on 50mm, 25mm is on the way out
>more space
yes. bigger shells hold more volume than smaller shells
Because every shell will contain a computer as well as the payload in the future. They'll be more like micro missiles without the rocket. Each shell will be programmed upon firing to explode in the exact place and in the exact profile that is necessary for maximum effect, be that before as an airburst for drone defense, downwards over the top of trenches, various penetration timings for different types of walls and armours etc.
Battle rifles on infantry, battle rifles on tanks. 5.56cels and 25mmsisters seething
Why is the fire rate of the 25mm so slow? You would think with such a tiny cannon it could shoot at infantry almost like a machine gun
For better accuracy. Barrel vibrations mostly stop when next shot happens at such RPM.
BRADLEY!
SORRY!
The 50 can take on more troops behind cover and is better at dealing with armored targets.
instead of a necked out 35mm rounds, why not have telescoped 35mm rounds instead?
sure, you won't have as big a bang as a necked out 35mm, but at least you'll have 90% the capacity amount of the original 25mm.
How would you get better capacity if telescopic 35mm is wider than normal 35mm or up necked 35mm?
external ammo compartments
panzer iii, my beloved
Where's the TOW?