Why don't we have remote-piloted jets yet?

We have drones right? Why no drone jets?

  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    because the technology for jamming signals exist

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The RQ-4 is jet powered and has been operating since the 90s.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      then why haven't regular jets been phased out yet?
      losing a pilot with 10 years worth of training is devastating

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Because they're mostly used for long term and or dangerous surveillance missions. Combat stuff is still largely manned.

        We also have the RQ-170 and RQ-180 which get very little public mention (for obvious reasons) that are essentially the RQ-4 on steroids.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          didnt we loose one to fucking iran during the Obama administration?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yes, the RQ-170 (older and smaller of the two) and they claimed to have studied it and made their own version, but all reports indicate its engine is far worse, it's size is smaller, the airframe is heavier, and overall it's not as stealthy and has nowhere near the payload capacity, flight endurance, or flight performance characteristics of the US original its based on.

            Last we saw of the iranian project was in 2018 when Israel claimed to have shot one down.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              from what i remember about it china paid a good amount for it and was supposedly transfer to them after iran took it apart.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                From what I read the Chinese were invited to come check it out, but weren't allowed to take any.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No, it was a shitty Tier II RQ-170. They're basically just a semi-stealthy flying wing version of the RQ-4. The RQ-180 is a Tier III-, much more capable sensors with off the shelf advanced stealth features. They're not even in the same class.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >loose
            Loser dumbass.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Drones have a good degree of input lag based on the distance of the operating base. They work well for loitering in a circle and watching people, but are worse at things that require quick reactions.

        AI drones that fly and complete missions themselves won't have this problem though.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That's only for piloted drones

          the newest drones are being developed with fully or partially autonomous operations in mind.

          The Boeing MQ-28 Ghost Bat is a prime example.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Because pilots don't want to be phased out. They fight very hard to keep their jobs.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          can't they just pilot remotely?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Imagine trying to play Falcon 4/DCS but the DoD developed the netcode and literally every mechanic is server-side.

            That's why.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'm stealing one and making it my wife.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because pilots don't want to be phased out. They fight very hard to keep their jobs.

      >requires a connection to an AWACS at all times
      >if enemy uses EW to scramble connection then it just idles or crashes
      >Sensor goes out and the fatass inside the gamer dungeon in nevada can't macgyver the situation
      sounds like a great idea! The only thing UAV can do better than a pilot is withstand super high G's but modern air combat is over the horizon so who gives a fuck

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >The only thing UAV can do better than a pilot is withstand super high G's
        How long until we start modifying pilots for G resistance
        Lower limb amputations and replacements, brain blood reservoirs, more latent oxygen storage in cells
        I want to see bio-pilots built into their jets

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Before you waste time doing all that a simple lying down cockpit gets you a bunch of G force resistant for pilots since you direct the force onto the human body from front to back instead of the top to bottom that sucks blood from the brain in a standard sitting cockpit.

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    its very difficult to to fully automate an existing aircraft, a jet would need to be built around its drone controls. its on the way

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Don’t fighter pilots have to be insanely good at critical thinking? Current AI is equal to a retarded insect, we probably won’t have a fully autonomous fighter jet for at least half a century.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        modern american fighters aren't built to dogfight, they're built to be stealthy missile/bomb boats with fancy radar/EOTS and get targeting information from AWACS or similar platforms.

        You don't really need an AI pilot to be doing dog fighting acrobatics and shit.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          DARPA's Air Combat Evolution (ACE) program is going to install the AI system into a fighter by 2024 and test it. Still a long ways to go, but, should be ready within the next decade.

          https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/39899/darpa-now-has-ai-controlled-f-16s-working-as-a-team-in-virtual-dogfights

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Meant for:

            AI is going to have to go through some ridiculous amount of training before you're going to trust it with tens of millions of dollars worth of hardware. Why not just want to improve communications so they're hard/impossible to jam? And have AI take over to fall back outside of jamming if so.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        AI it's all bullshit for boomer fudds.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the drones have jets

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    At the speeds these things go, remote control isn't an option. Signal lag's a big factor.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The technology is not quite there yet but AI operated jet fighters are coming probably within the next few decades

    The typical pilot has an iq of 100 to 130 and is subject to stress, sleep, and extremely limited physical capabilities relative to what machines are actual capable of

    AI operated jet fighters will have "iqs" of 1000+ and no physical limitations

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The fact that you're using IQ as a catch all metric for decisionmaking ability is proof you have absolutely zero idea what you're talking about

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Brainlet, the iq reference is in quotes implying that the iq will be 100% focused on air combat operations as opposed to humans that have compartmentalized much of iq capacity towards functions like defecating, relationships, lgbtq gender studies, leisure activities, etc.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      AI is going to have to go through some ridiculous amount of training before you're going to trust it with tens of millions of dollars worth of hardware. Why not just want to improve communications so they're hard/impossible to jam? And have AI take over to fall back outside of jamming if so.

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    what would the difference between a (jet based) drone and a jet be in your opinion?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      human being inside the tincan

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        does that answer the question whether we have drone jets or not?

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    when NGAD enters service

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Coming soon. The US Navy has flown F/A-18E's as remotely piloted fighters. They have a program called ATARI just for this, and have been testing it for years. DARPA has ACE and Alpha Dogfight to produce an AI for fighters, and it can BTFO F-16 instructor pilots in simulations 4-0. They've also been flying QF series fighters as target drones for decades, but not in combat, just for training pilots and missile defense systems.

    https://www.geekwire.com/2020/boeing-u-s-navy-turn-growler-jets-remote-controlled-drones-force-multiplier/
    https://taskandpurpose.com/news/atari-navy-remote-control-aircraft/

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    We do

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Piloted by my hopes and dreams

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Anyone know any good aerial or naval tactic book?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      En inglés por favor

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Grug need rock tablet about fighting and using metal bird or metal fish

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Drones are cheaper. The US uses remote control F-16s for training but they're not great. A drone is just better

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because latency

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it can't be bad enough to matter with today's network speeds

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Starlink theoretically brings your maximum average global ping down to like 200-300ms.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >theoretically

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Well they don't have the laser links up there yet, that's coming soon.

            Once the satellites have point-to-point lasers they can reduce global ping significantly.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >maximum average

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Too jamable and detectable

    Only way to go is autonomous

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Which is of course where we're headed

      https://i.imgur.com/jJA66gl.png

      That's only for piloted drones

      the newest drones are being developed with fully or partially autonomous operations in mind.

      The Boeing MQ-28 Ghost Bat is a prime example.

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    We’ve had them since the 60s

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    A drone cannot do a human pilot's job.

    t. Aviator

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      yet

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Never will. The tin man has its own plane, and it's not the cockpit of a jet.

        Besides, it doesn't carry any benefit. You still have to refuel the plane, re-arm it, repair it, maintain it, etc. Remember also that another factor is structural (ie. The reason why you can't build a "100-G plane"), beacuse the airframe would need to sustain that level of centrifugal and centripetal acceleration. It's just phisically impossible.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >it doesn't carry any benefit
          It cuts out the cost of training pilots, is ready at all times the aircraft is ready, and can stay in the air as long as can be necessary for the mission, when refueling is an option. Computers are still getting faster and AI reaching human level thinking for drone planes is inevitable unless humanity bans AI progress.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            AI will never be on the same level of a human, stop pushing this BS. Pilots always did, currently do, and will always do a better job. Anything else is fuddlore.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The idea of a computer even doing most of the stuff they handle now was a far away dream at one point and they are still getting stronger. There was a time they were just simple numbers crunchers that you had to have multiple advanced degrees in just to correctly input math problems for them to solve. Now pocket disposable electronics are thousands of times stronger than the first computers. I don't like that fighter drones will exist but if you want to stop you'll need to start lobbying for halting all AI now.

  19. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    RQ-4B
    MQ-4C
    MQ-20
    MQ-25
    RQ-170
    RQ-180

    Probably a few more

  20. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    its called a missile. they come in all sorts of varieties.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      can you dogfight with a missile?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Missiles are not aircraft. By ICAO standard an aircraft is a vehicle continously powered throughout its whole flight envelope.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        ICAO does not consider gliders aircraft?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It does. It's aircraft designed to continously glide.

  21. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  22. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Have you ever played a game against someone on the other side of the world?

  23. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Have you not watched Top Gun 2?

  24. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How about a two seat aircraft with the second man controlling multiple drones as a force multiplier?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's what the loyal wingman program is doing.

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    AIs are getting better but they're still not really up to snuff for totally independent decision-making in an emergency, too slow and clunky at making inferred choices based on incomplete data. If they are good enough already, then those particular AI are classified and they'll be put into service when the aircraft they're intended to go into is ready.

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    unironically remote piloted fighter or ground strike planes are unlikely to ever exist, the best you'll have is optional takeover of AI drones or "I think this is a target, please ask a human for GO/NOGO in case it's actually an orphanage"
    furthermore it is my belief that automated ground attack drones are already in classified service

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