Aparently concepts like ground pressure and pounds per square inch are not subjects in school anymore. Tanks work because they have treads and not wheels or feet.
Now go run the field with steletto heels and your rucksack and battle rattle.
Not just that, the concept of composite armor and weight. OP's pic might stop 5.56 (any decent amount of steel will) but it's not going to do shit against a HEDP grenade, let alone a LAW.
It would be much more difficult to hit a human sized target hiding behind cover with a rocket than a tank or any other armored vehicle. Also, they can be hidden more easily from satellites and drones. Right now a tank formation can be spotted and attacked before the engines even start.
its not a problem to give infantry guns with more penetration - and even if that's out, lightweight at options they already have like law or antimateriel rifle will absolutely shred anything that slowly walks towards you - and if it hits the ground and hugs the dirt like normal infantry what's the benefit?
A LAW is a single shot weapon. Not very good if you need to suppress an enemy or are under suppressive fire. Take the time to aim and there's a good chance they'll walk MG fire right onto you. The M72 LAW also has a minimum arming distance of 33 feet. Shoot someone within that range and the rocket will literally bounce off.
AMRs are better but they're also big and heavy and tend to cause shoulder injuries. They're actually better suited to be used By power armor than be used Against power armor. Because they're so slow they're only really useful for ambush and AMRs are in a weird spot where they're not accurate enough for infantry but also not heavy enough for armored vehicles.
Why not just hide behind cover? Maybe put some cover on wheels and treads so it can move around a bit? While you're at it you might as well mount some big guns up there...
Hide behind what cover? Drones and satellites will see you the moment a tank leaves storage. With a heavily armored suit you can at least hide inside buildings.
Enclave armor is supposed to be composite. Some mix of plastics, ceramics, and metal alloys IIRC.
Power armor would be a useful addition to the military just for lugging lots of heavy shit around. Soldiers frick their backs and knees up because they're carrying around 100+ pounds for hours.
Being able to survive standard infantry small arms, shrapnel, and other light threats would just be a bonus.
The issue is fricking powering it, which is a issue that will never be satisfactorily solved because chemical batteries only have so much potential. Unless you can get fusion and then miniaturize it to the size of a golf cart battery or smaller then power armor will always be science fantasy.
>it's not going to do shit against a HEDP grenade, let alone a LAW
Tanks can be destroyed with man portable weapons too, that's not the problem.
A "tank" that is vulnerable to the same weapons as a tank but with the agility of infantry would be great but the technology for engines and power at that size doesn't exist.
Because we lack tiny power sources.
>Because we lack tiny power sources.
And the engines to run all this, the ones that exist are janky and slow as well as needing a tethered power source.
https://i.imgur.com/IXHeaxf.jpg
Why dont we have power armor yet it's literally more useful than a tank.
Think of the engine deck in a random tank, now put that in a backpack on a guy. That's the problem.
The engine and fuel take up more space than the actual suit, your power armour would be like a walking snail.
And that's to say nothing about ground pressures issues that everyone else already pointed out.
>Why dont we have power armor yet
Because it is far more costly to develop than a tank, Man-machine interface are sometime more difficult than the vehicle itself.
On top of the classic difficulty:
Making strong robotic legs is already hard, making robotic legs that provide strength while sharing room around meat&skeleton is insanely harder and inevitably result in a loss of flexibility you can't accept.
Not counting the problem of adapting standard suit to a crazy range of operators. We are more likely to see UGV with automated turret on it.
>Aparently concepts like ground pressure and pounds per square inch are not subjects in school anymore.
Which is why you are a mindless drone who repeat "ground pressure" without knowing why.
You have never questioned it,
You have never done the math,
You have never noticed wheeled vehicles doing fine with twice the ground pressure.
It was always a low effort troll arguments.
Tanks don't have tracks to evenly spread mass or reduce ground pressure, the tracks were created with the goal of having a better reach, carrying your own slope to climb. Wheels are limited by geometry over what they can climb.
Limbed locomotion give you fine control over your clearance, and do better in any environment, the problem is that it is well outside our industrial capabilities, requiring AI that can automatically navigate without overloading an operator.
This is some dumbass shit Why is it every time someone brings up power armor people think that they're going to weigh like 50,000 pounds? Are you trying to argue a soldier that weighs 300lbs is going to fall to the center of China? The frick lmao
>Aparently concepts like ground pressure and pounds per square inch are not subjects in school anymore. Tanks work because they have treads and not wheels or feet. >Now go run the field with steletto heels and your rucksack and battle rattle.
This guy once dropped a nail it lost it to the center of the earth which is why he thinks ground pressure is a meaningful limitation.
Tanks use tracks for traction not issues of ground pressure. A LAV III has a higher ground pressure than a Leopard 2 tank, but because it only masses about 1/3rd as much it's 8 wheels can generally produce enough traction off road to move. While you can lose a vehicle into soft ground, having it bottom out in the worst case, that tends to only happen in sand or mud.
A modern 70,000kg tank with wheels would always be at risk of spinning it's wheels while off road until it digs holes to expose more of the tires surface area to transfer the force into the ground. It ground pressure was a real issue horses wouldn't exist.
>can run at 80km an hour and jump 10m in the air >get launch slightly wrong, land on head >suit holds up perfectly >instant concussion because your brain is still floating around inside a skull and the power suit doesn't magically dissipate kinetic energy
>Why dont we have power armor yet
Power issues. We can't fit more than 12 hours of electrical energy on a suit. Personally, I think we could fix that with a charging cable and a bike with a really good alternator. >it's literally more useful than a tank.
Don't try to out tank a tank.
Bubblegum crisis has motorslaves, motorcycles that can transform into more armor for the rider, and enable them to wield guns that would not be man portable otherwise, or semi autonomous robots that provide mobile cover for the user. These are not mass issue though, only a small paramilitary group has them.
Genesis Climber Mospeada had armored troops (likely unpowered) riding bikes that transformed into powered armor. Bubblegum Crisis featured powered armor riding motorcycles that could become autonomous humanoid units or powered armor for the powered armor.
Based fellow Bubblegum Crisis appreciator. For me it's Nene, Linna is a close second though. Also managed to get my GM in a Shadowrun campaign to let my rigger make a motoslave. His backstory was that he used to work for a megacorp in weapons r&d, and that was his latest project. When the Corp cancelled his funding and was getting ready to fire him he uploaded a virus to their mainframe that erased all his work, grabbed the prototype, torched his lab, and went freelance.
This would be the most useless thing IRL
Someone implemented that bike in ARMA 3 but obviously the twin bolters can't be rotated so you would have to align your bike perfectly in order to hit anything
The bolters are mostly decorative; the real purpose of the bike is to get you close enough to the enemy to hit them with your sword as fast as possible.
You can traverse the bolters with the handlebars and I assume there's something to adjust the elevation. Accuracy would be shit but they're just for suppressing fire while you get into close quarters and dismount.
Personally, I'd nix the bolters and just use the bike for transport. Think mounted or bicycle infantry.
You can traverse the bolters with the handlebars and I assume there's something to adjust the elevation. Accuracy would be shit but they're just for suppressing fire while you get into close quarters and dismount.
Personally, I'd nix the bolters and just use the bike for transport. Think mounted or bicycle infantry.
If you're serious about putting guns on a bike you really should get a pintle mount. Also, the recoil from a Mk19 would bounce the bike around too much. Damn things need a tripod with sandbags.
Even in Fallout the armor doesn't stop ATGMs. It just makes you heavily resistant to anything under real fukkin' NATO (which accounts for most infantry arms and shrapnel).
Anything that will frick up a combat bot will frick up a dude in PA. The commitment is just way higher than most nations could sustain at the time; China was invading Alaska with AKs and no body armor.
I wish power armor was scarier in that game. You should be immune to non-explosive small arms fire and be able to rip people limb from limb as a melee. NPCs should be scared shitless of you. If an enemy has power armor your choices should be run like hell, hide, or grab a rocket launcher.
Because you'd be spending millions of dollars per suit to get something with no more firepower or survivability than a Humvee, less mobility, and no cargo/passenger capacity.
The number of situations where power armor would be worthwhile is extremely low.
how are you gonna power it? we have all the techs to make it work BUT a sustainable portable power source. which's why the one we do have needs to be tethered. this renders it to be only useful in logistic works, loading missiles onto jets, etc.
Lithium-air batteries have an energy density high enough to run a power armor. Sure, they're expensive and degrade quickly, but since when has the military industrial complex cared about wasting money?
Hydrogen is a b***h to work with. Besides being Very flamable it tends to react with everything and can leak it's way out of seemingly solid objects. Hydrogen ions are basically naked protons so the normal rules of air-tightness don't apply.
The polar bear has significantly more volume than the power armor. This allows it to utilize a chemical power system that would never fit in the relatively small space which the power armor has to by design.
To be fair, Tanks are only good for breaking through defenses and destroying armored vehicles in open fields. Power armor can also be used for logistics in addition to close quarters fights.
>can do everything a tank can and more >somehow this is less useful
I take that back, it’s less of an atgm and FPV drone magnet than a tank, so less interception of enemy munitions XD
>it's literally more useful than a tank.
Tanks are used as a spearhead to maintain a dominant position when advancing. They do this by breaking through shit and clearing a way for humans, provide cover for small arms fire under various circumstances, and using their heavy armaments to suppress and take out other tanks or fortifications they cannot run over.
Power armor on the other hand is part of the niche role of busting straight through walls and essentially wear a big "hit me" sign to distract goat frickers.
Your options are loud as frick gas/disel generators (the changing of angles and gravity effect on fuel could be a solvable problem) and also carbon monoxide poisoning indoors. Fun fun fun.
Aluminum air batteryes - non rechargable but higher energy density then LiO.
And LiO batteryes.
Maybe even using Li
Maybe a combination of those powersources and/or downsizing the armor to full body frag armor + more then standard rifle plate coverage but at that point, You are not getting a cost effective piece of kit. Nod and thermal investment for the purchase/ logistics cost of powered armor might be better at our current tech.
You do remember we have an entire board for political incorrectness, right? It was created explicitly because /misc/ posting is so toxic that no other board wants to deal with it.
Oh please, scapegoating minorities is Evil Dictator 101. It's basically what Nero did to the Christians thousands of years ago. It's normal to be suspicious when someone says "It's because of [minority]" because it usually means someone is diverting attention.
>it's literally more useful than a tank.
Tanks are used as a spearhead to maintain a dominant position when advancing. They do this by breaking through shit and clearing a way for humans, provide cover for small arms fire under various circumstances, and using their heavy armaments to suppress and take out other tanks or fortifications they cannot run over.
Power armor on the other hand is part of the niche role of busting straight through walls and essentially wear a big "hit me" sign to distract goat frickers.
Power armor would be generally useful for close combat scenarios. Urban combat, trench and bunker clearing, fighting in forests and rolling hills, etc. Any place with limited lines of sight.
Honestly, you could have Power Armor ride on top of a tank just for that extra edge in firepower.
You want the real answer? We just don't have a non gas power supply. If we had mini fission reactors that lasted 800 years and didn't leak off deadly level of radiation we'd have power armor by now.
And this is why /misc/ is so toxic. The Racist mind can only comprehend one problem and can only offer one solution. Brain rot in it's most primitive form.
Feels like power armor would be insanely useful in urban combat/inside buildings where there's not much room/ability for anti-tank weapons against them, given their smaller profile, but that they'd be almost useless in open combat.
You really just need full body level III protection and that'll stop most threats in close quarters. Explosives would still be a problem but a frag grenade would need to be at your feet to kill you.
Cost. Price to utility for a dude running around with a gun outweighs armoring them to Iron Man level on earth.
Now change the environment to like the moon where people are going to need space suits to get about you might as well armor and power them up because the replacement cost of new dude and suit is going to be greater
I've never liked the stupid tubes that come out of the head
They look like dreads or perhaps the braided hair of women wearing latex bondage masks, much prefer the T51 helm
What specialized uniform or undersuit would Power Armor Soldiers wear underneath the armor itself? In all of scifi, power armor soldiers seemingly always wear a specialized or specific BDU undersuit for power armor users. Supposedly the purpose of the undersuits is be thin and form fitting to the power armor's interior and. Also another main purpose of the undersuits is to interface the user's body and or limbs and joints with the power armor frame.
Pic related since Fallout OP pic. According to the Fallout wiki, the undersuits the BoS personnel wear are military BDUs worn by power armor users to interface with the power armor frame like mentioned earlier. Would our future exoskeleton operatives wear a similar "undersuit" which also is supposedly based on an Astronaut's inner layer clothing for their EVA suits?
>Get given power armor >Go to war with power armor >Get rekt by some relatively cheap contrivance meant to deal with your dumb ass >B-but... literally...
Barring some unforeseen breakthrough, power armor as you're thinking of it goes as far as SWAT teams and that's it.
You're allowed to think that a thing's cool but the instant you decide to present ridiculous fictional ideas as practical you make yourself objectively wrong and dumb and gay.
Know what happens to a tank when an artillery shell blows up close but not a direct hit? It pings off the armor. A hit that close would kill infantry and shreds unarmed vehicles but only does damage with luck. Power armor won't offer as good a protection as a tank but it should be able to ignore an air burst at 75m that kills infantry at 500m. This raises the cost to counter that armor from getting a round within a few hundred meters to infantry in the open to needing to be almost directly on target.
>*gets DMR'd with fancy ammunition or simply just explosiondroned*
There will always be a relatively cheap & easy counter to power armor and the systems that would allow it to work unless some turbosperg pulls some brand new science out of their ass.
A DMR wouldn't pierce the armor at any vital point. At best, the wearer would be mission killed but that just means he'll be back in a week and more experienced. The proposal is Level III on the limbs and Level IV on the vitals.
Likewise, a drone attack would need to land a direct hit rather than merely getting close. High altitude grenade drops have enough trouble hitting the engine deck of a stationary tank. Hitting a man-sized target on the run is asking a lot. And that's assuming he's not carrying a jammer.
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Anonymous
>Nuh-uh he has a magic shield and impenetrable armor
Power armor gays are those kids who'd take a plastic sword to the head then insist the hit didn't count for whatever reason.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>Nuh-uh he has a magic shield and impenetrable armor
...UHMWPE and Boron Carbide are magical?
https://i.imgur.com/iEQiG71.jpg
>The proposal is Level III on the limbs and Level IV on the vitals.
How much protection does that offer against TBI from the enemy squad designated rocketman's grenades?
Are you seriously suggesting using single use rocket launchers against Power Armor? Do you want to see what happens to men armed with muskets goes up against men armed with AKs?
>At best, the wearer would be mission killed but that just means he'll be back in a week and more experienced.
How much xp for a level up?
42. Also, don't doubt the effectiveness of experienced soldiers. No matter how well trained a man is there's a chance he's going to freeze up in combat the first time but someone who has already seem combat won't freeze up until PTSD has set in.
https://i.imgur.com/ISqEVZU.jpg
What if we powered the power armor with miniature combustion engines instead of batteries? And the we armored up the combustion engines?
Too noisy, oxygen hungry, and vulnerable to stalling if turned upsidedown.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>...UHMWPE and Boron Carbide are magical?
Not in the real world but in any contrivance you cook up they'd need to be because you're working backwards from a conclusion that's not in tune with reality.
1 month ago
Anonymous
You do realize that working backwards is an entirely valid means of developing technology, right? Most of the US Space Program involved tech that didn't exist when the program was launched and engineers had to work backwards from what we needed to figure out what to make next.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Not really. UHMWPE just needs 6 pounds per square foot to get Level III+ performance. The human body has about 18 square feet of surface area. That works out to 108 pounds of Dyneema to completely cover a human. Too much for just a man but well within Power Armor limits.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>The proposal is Level III on the limbs and Level IV on the vitals.
How much protection does that offer against TBI from the enemy squad designated rocketman's grenades?
1 month ago
Anonymous
>At best, the wearer would be mission killed but that just means he'll be back in a week and more experienced.
How much xp for a level up?
>Get given tank >Go to war with tank >Get rekted by some relatively cheap contrivance meant to deal with your dumb ass
Frankly, the fact that the enemy now has to carry anti-PA weapons in addition to anti-infantry, anti-tank, and anti-air weapons is a minor success in it'self. Arguing that PA can be killed doesn't work when every military asset in the world can be killed, usually by something cheaper that the asset.
I honestly don't know why any military hasn't tried to make armor like this. A hard plastic set of armor with ceramic inserts worn over top of a Kevlar jumpsuit like ODST armor seems like it would be superb shrapnel protection while providing acceptable ballistic protection, all while being relatively low weight and mostly preserving the user's range of movement. Seems like it would be a lot better than the fabric plate carrier/kneepads nonsense soliders use now.
You'd need to use UHMWPE for the plastic bits and they're not thick enough to stop anything but shrapnel but it's possible. You'd still need some sort of cloth armor for the joints, though. Articulate plate needs to be fitted to the user or it hurts flexibility.
I really liked how Fallout did their implementation of power armour in the lore. >rushed in stop gap equipment as the US struggled to move their heavy tanks and AFV's up through canada to combat the red invasion >crude power armour was used on the squad level giving a heavy weapons platform to the squad that could cope with anti tank, suppression and anti air roles >generally gets more refined as the military realizes the untapped potential of these systems >further refined post nuclear collapse by the remnants of the US military into a more personalized system to enable them to be even more effective in their role as de facto peacekeepers in the post nuclear wasteland
What I think is interesting is the variation in design and manufacturing that Fallout power armor seems to have. T45 power armor seems to be made from heavy castings of solid steel, while T51 power armor seems to be made out of riveted steel stampings which gives T51 armor a smoother look. And all of this research and development was done quickly towards the end of the Great War during a resource shortage no less.
That's one of the subtle ironies of the Fallout story line that I find interesting, the USA and China could obviously have accomplished such great things if they hadn't devoted their entire industrial bases to destroying each other, and ultimately the world. What could have been we will never know.
See this kids? This is undeniable proof that aliens are among us and that they are scared shitless of our capacity for war and violence. Why else would they be trying to stiffle our military science evolution? Don't listen to filthy unwashed greyskins. Make power armor. Total xenocide now.
Where is this from? Google image seach is giving me Girls Frontline.
1 month ago
Anonymous
It is GF, you can find the artist is IIIIV on Twitter and pixiv he does a bunch of stuff sci Fi load out stuff mostly GF. This is some neo-soviet anti ELID special forces stuff. Manpower is stretched incredibly thin so dolls make up for the gaps after half the world got super tibirium crystal aids and a world war rolled through.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>GF
Ah yes, the setting that cited manpower shortages for why they're sending love bots into combat.
IIIIV seems to make good stuff, tho.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Hey the actual army has dedicated combat bots. It's only our cheap ass PMC who is pinching pennies by converting roombas and sexbots into barely legal T-dolls. The personality issues is 100% on havel. Don't ask what Sangvis Ferri is doing they're run by a literal child
1 month ago
Anonymous
>still using the 2a72 and 2a70
stillborn concept
cool robots, though
Man where is the blood? Where is the sweat, effort and triumph? If war is no different than playing CoD against a pimple faced teen with a cracking voice what the frick is even war anymore? Complete detachment from reality.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Take a better look at the pics. He's got local human commanders ordering around the Cyclops drones.
you suffocate the enemy because the suit has breathing apparatus. also most buildings that can support the wrought and are large enough for proper powered armor have really good ventilation for all the other vehicles that use the building
That means you need a SCBA system in addition to guns and armor and have to consider the engine might stall due to lack of oxygen. Overall, you're dealing with less power for more weight.
fair enough, i still stand by the argument that if the building is large enough to enter and move around in with a power suit (it won't be nearly as compact as fallout due to realism), the building will likely have sufficient ventilation. i also wouldnt consider it ideal for indoors anyway. also if one really needed to, going full kool aid man creates great ventilation
also nice trips
The problem is that fighting in tight quarters is the best niche for Power Armor. Fighting in the open would mean trying to out-tank a tank. This means keeping the weight low is a high priority just so PA can climb stairs without breaking them.
The oxygen issue comes in more with bunkers. It's already such an issue that Flamethrowers are more dangerous because of the oxygen consumption rather than the heat. Even for large and decently ventillated buildings will strain from mutliple PAs in one room. If you're storming a deep mountain complex then IC engines are out of the question.
>Literally more useful than a tank?
How, as in firepower, mobility and protection, which a tank, even an interwar era tank moggs power armor completely?
Not OP but PA would be more flexible than tanks. I mean, just having the exoskeleton would help with vehicle maintenance. Do you know how many procedures need you to lift up the tank? Just having some power assistance to get 120mm through the hatch would be great.
We don't have power armor, because the military industrial complex is not that invested in keeping people alive. The longer you live the smarter you become, the smarter you become you realize that the mil/ind cmplx thinks of itself as it's own god. The means are justified by the ends. It doesn't matter who dies or for what, as long as somebody dies. Women, kids, old fricks, and young bucks all meat for their table. Society at large only benefits from SOME warfare. A limitless supply of it has been created to benefit shareholders in corps, not humanity at large. If soldiers were kept alive to catch on to the absurdity of it all, they would then have the training and skills to work against the war for profit machine. It's easier to kill you off, or maim you mentally or physically to make you an invalid/non threat to the machine. That way the money and meat keep flowing. Always feeding the machine. If you were protected, you could become an existential threat to the machine. You could teach younger generations of the absurdity of it all. You could slow down the profits. Starve the machine. No, you aren't supposed to have that sort of power over the machine. That's why we don't have power armor. Not to mention it is out classed by explosives, every time. The human body can't withstand the trauma that this sort of armor can in your head. Even if we had the tech to defeat explosives, we are still the weak link. We don't have the energy technology, we don't have the metallurgical technology, we don't have the desire to threaten the machine's ability to romance people into giving their lives for the facade of "fighting evil."
It's for now more useful to instead give full body fragmentation protection, given all the spicy little metal shards that like to fly around. Maybe with some advances in textiles and helmets so that no weak fleshy bits are exposed. Might not stop a bullet, but you gotta start somewhere.
>Why dont we have power armor yet
Maybe you don't
Based African mechs about to innovate the modern field of warfare when the Chinese attempt to take over a direct semi colony
Aparently concepts like ground pressure and pounds per square inch are not subjects in school anymore. Tanks work because they have treads and not wheels or feet.
Now go run the field with steletto heels and your rucksack and battle rattle.
Not just that, the concept of composite armor and weight. OP's pic might stop 5.56 (any decent amount of steel will) but it's not going to do shit against a HEDP grenade, let alone a LAW.
it doesnt even stop that in game
It would be much more difficult to hit a human sized target hiding behind cover with a rocket than a tank or any other armored vehicle. Also, they can be hidden more easily from satellites and drones. Right now a tank formation can be spotted and attacked before the engines even start.
Gotta keep the Armor small. If it's too big to hide in a trench or too heavy for most floors it's going to be vulnerable.
its not a problem to give infantry guns with more penetration - and even if that's out, lightweight at options they already have like law or antimateriel rifle will absolutely shred anything that slowly walks towards you - and if it hits the ground and hugs the dirt like normal infantry what's the benefit?
A LAW is a single shot weapon. Not very good if you need to suppress an enemy or are under suppressive fire. Take the time to aim and there's a good chance they'll walk MG fire right onto you. The M72 LAW also has a minimum arming distance of 33 feet. Shoot someone within that range and the rocket will literally bounce off.
AMRs are better but they're also big and heavy and tend to cause shoulder injuries. They're actually better suited to be used By power armor than be used Against power armor. Because they're so slow they're only really useful for ambush and AMRs are in a weird spot where they're not accurate enough for infantry but also not heavy enough for armored vehicles.
>put on power armor
>hide behind cover
Why not just hide behind cover? Maybe put some cover on wheels and treads so it can move around a bit? While you're at it you might as well mount some big guns up there...
Hmmm...
Hide behind what cover? Drones and satellites will see you the moment a tank leaves storage. With a heavily armored suit you can at least hide inside buildings.
It's not supposed to you burger brained dipshit
Honestly, that's good enough for urban combat.
Enclave armor is supposed to be composite. Some mix of plastics, ceramics, and metal alloys IIRC.
Power armor would be a useful addition to the military just for lugging lots of heavy shit around. Soldiers frick their backs and knees up because they're carrying around 100+ pounds for hours.
Being able to survive standard infantry small arms, shrapnel, and other light threats would just be a bonus.
The issue is fricking powering it, which is a issue that will never be satisfactorily solved because chemical batteries only have so much potential. Unless you can get fusion and then miniaturize it to the size of a golf cart battery or smaller then power armor will always be science fantasy.
> Unless you can get fusion and then miniaturize it to the size of a golf cart battery or smaller
A civilization that's hit that level of technology has probably long since gone past the need to put any actual humans in harm's way on a battlefield.
>muh drone armies
kys
>armour is pointless if it can't protect you from literally everything
>it's not going to do shit against a HEDP grenade, let alone a LAW
Tanks can be destroyed with man portable weapons too, that's not the problem.
A "tank" that is vulnerable to the same weapons as a tank but with the agility of infantry would be great but the technology for engines and power at that size doesn't exist.
>Because we lack tiny power sources.
And the engines to run all this, the ones that exist are janky and slow as well as needing a tethered power source.
Think of the engine deck in a random tank, now put that in a backpack on a guy. That's the problem.
The engine and fuel take up more space than the actual suit, your power armour would be like a walking snail.
And that's to say nothing about ground pressures issues that everyone else already pointed out.
Ok, so instead of everyone in that squad being able to kill me now it's 2-3 people using a very limited weapon. I'll take that as a win
If you're so fricking smart how come your mom doesn't get stuck in the mud?
simple: anon's mother has four legs.
Because she never leaves my bed
OOOOOH SHIT
GOTTEM
>Why dont we have power armor yet
Because it is far more costly to develop than a tank, Man-machine interface are sometime more difficult than the vehicle itself.
On top of the classic difficulty:
Making strong robotic legs is already hard, making robotic legs that provide strength while sharing room around meat&skeleton is insanely harder and inevitably result in a loss of flexibility you can't accept.
Not counting the problem of adapting standard suit to a crazy range of operators. We are more likely to see UGV with automated turret on it.
>Aparently concepts like ground pressure and pounds per square inch are not subjects in school anymore.
Which is why you are a mindless drone who repeat "ground pressure" without knowing why.
You have never questioned it,
You have never done the math,
You have never noticed wheeled vehicles doing fine with twice the ground pressure.
It was always a low effort troll arguments.
Tanks don't have tracks to evenly spread mass or reduce ground pressure, the tracks were created with the goal of having a better reach, carrying your own slope to climb. Wheels are limited by geometry over what they can climb.
Limbed locomotion give you fine control over your clearance, and do better in any environment, the problem is that it is well outside our industrial capabilities, requiring AI that can automatically navigate without overloading an operator.
This is some dumbass shit Why is it every time someone brings up power armor people think that they're going to weigh like 50,000 pounds? Are you trying to argue a soldier that weighs 300lbs is going to fall to the center of China? The frick lmao
Because Strawmaning is easy and people are stupid.
>Aparently concepts like ground pressure and pounds per square inch are not subjects in school anymore. Tanks work because they have treads and not wheels or feet.
>Now go run the field with steletto heels and your rucksack and battle rattle.
This guy once dropped a nail it lost it to the center of the earth which is why he thinks ground pressure is a meaningful limitation.
Tanks use tracks for traction not issues of ground pressure. A LAV III has a higher ground pressure than a Leopard 2 tank, but because it only masses about 1/3rd as much it's 8 wheels can generally produce enough traction off road to move. While you can lose a vehicle into soft ground, having it bottom out in the worst case, that tends to only happen in sand or mud.
A modern 70,000kg tank with wheels would always be at risk of spinning it's wheels while off road until it digs holes to expose more of the tires surface area to transfer the force into the ground. It ground pressure was a real issue horses wouldn't exist.
>Aparently concepts like ground pressure and pounds per square inch
the average american is 800lbs and doesnt sink into the ground
stupid b***h
Literally every day.
This HAS to be a fully automated script.
Any sufficiently advanced autism is indistinguishable from botposting.
Now that's an interesting remix
>can run at 80km an hour and jump 10m in the air
>get launch slightly wrong, land on head
>suit holds up perfectly
>instant concussion because your brain is still floating around inside a skull and the power suit doesn't magically dissipate kinetic energy
>>can run at 80km an hour and jump 10m in the air
how could this change infantry tactics?
they'd be concussed a lot more and a surprising number would get stuck in mud
would take a few seconds longer for the FPV drone someone made in their garage to kill you
you will run and trigger mines faster and extend the time before that fpv blows in your face by half a second
Because we lack tiny power sources.
These type of suits are only good for security guards and riot cops to put down protesters.
Shut up Canada you belong to US now, we wouldn't need GIs in T51s patrolling your streets if you'd just accept it and move on.
>Thinks Canada has ever listen to the US.
You really don't understand North American politics, do you?
>Why dont we have power armor yet
Power issues. We can't fit more than 12 hours of electrical energy on a suit. Personally, I think we could fix that with a charging cable and a bike with a really good alternator.
>it's literally more useful than a tank.
Don't try to out tank a tank.
>fixed gun placement.
Bitches don't know bout my Lawmaster
Alas, 40k is the only setting with power armor on bikes. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Bubblegum crisis has motorslaves, motorcycles that can transform into more armor for the rider, and enable them to wield guns that would not be man portable otherwise, or semi autonomous robots that provide mobile cover for the user. These are not mass issue though, only a small paramilitary group has them.
Genesis Climber Mospeada had armored troops (likely unpowered) riding bikes that transformed into powered armor. Bubblegum Crisis featured powered armor riding motorcycles that could become autonomous humanoid units or powered armor for the powered armor.
Based fellow Bubblegum Crisis appreciator. For me it's Nene, Linna is a close second though. Also managed to get my GM in a Shadowrun campaign to let my rigger make a motoslave. His backstory was that he used to work for a megacorp in weapons r&d, and that was his latest project. When the Corp cancelled his funding and was getting ready to fire him he uploaded a virus to their mainframe that erased all his work, grabbed the prototype, torched his lab, and went freelance.
>fixed
>clearly turns with the handle bars.
>Personally, I think we could fix that with a charging cable and a bike with a really good alternator.
White Scars hands typed this post
I feel like this is supposed to be an insult but the White Scares and Fricking Awesome.
>I feel like this is supposed to be an insult
Nah, just noticing.
It looks like the nids are just in the bleachers watching race day.
This would be the most useless thing IRL
Someone implemented that bike in ARMA 3 but obviously the twin bolters can't be rotated so you would have to align your bike perfectly in order to hit anything
The bolters are mostly decorative; the real purpose of the bike is to get you close enough to the enemy to hit them with your sword as fast as possible.
You can traverse the bolters with the handlebars and I assume there's something to adjust the elevation. Accuracy would be shit but they're just for suppressing fire while you get into close quarters and dismount.
Personally, I'd nix the bolters and just use the bike for transport. Think mounted or bicycle infantry.
Why not grenade launchers like on the Gungoose
If you're serious about putting guns on a bike you really should get a pintle mount. Also, the recoil from a Mk19 would bounce the bike around too much. Damn things need a tripod with sandbags.
geee I wonder why
>magical power supply
>magical light ATGM stopping material
>magical force field
Even in Fallout the armor doesn't stop ATGMs. It just makes you heavily resistant to anything under real fukkin' NATO (which accounts for most infantry arms and shrapnel).
Anything that will frick up a combat bot will frick up a dude in PA. The commitment is just way higher than most nations could sustain at the time; China was invading Alaska with AKs and no body armor.
I wish power armor was scarier in that game. You should be immune to non-explosive small arms fire and be able to rip people limb from limb as a melee. NPCs should be scared shitless of you. If an enemy has power armor your choices should be run like hell, hide, or grab a rocket launcher.
>Starfield will be successful, just two more weeks. Trust the plan, slava B.
Because you'd be spending millions of dollars per suit to get something with no more firepower or survivability than a Humvee, less mobility, and no cargo/passenger capacity.
The number of situations where power armor would be worthwhile is extremely low.
I dunno about that. A lightweight power armor could be useful for clearing buildings or trenches.
you know what's better at that? thermobarics
how are you gonna power it? we have all the techs to make it work BUT a sustainable portable power source. which's why the one we do have needs to be tethered. this renders it to be only useful in logistic works, loading missiles onto jets, etc.
Lithium-air batteries have an energy density high enough to run a power armor. Sure, they're expensive and degrade quickly, but since when has the military industrial complex cared about wasting money?
Always thought hydrogen fuel cells could work for power armor.
Hydrogen is a b***h to work with. Besides being Very flamable it tends to react with everything and can leak it's way out of seemingly solid objects. Hydrogen ions are basically naked protons so the normal rules of air-tightness don't apply.
Methane is better but you lose some performance.
>tanks are obsolete because drones!
>flies a PG-7 FPV into your power armor, killing the guy inside
power armor is compared in size capability and weight to a polar bear.
polar bears are chemical powered.
The polar bear has significantly more volume than the power armor. This allows it to utilize a chemical power system that would never fit in the relatively small space which the power armor has to by design.
Batteries still suck and they're not going to get better any time soon.
>more useful than a tank.
>Source: sunrise
To be fair, Tanks are only good for breaking through defenses and destroying armored vehicles in open fields. Power armor can also be used for logistics in addition to close quarters fights.
>can do everything a tank can and more
>somehow this is less useful
I take that back, it’s less of an atgm and FPV drone magnet than a tank, so less interception of enemy munitions XD
>it's literally more useful than a tank.
Tanks are used as a spearhead to maintain a dominant position when advancing. They do this by breaking through shit and clearing a way for humans, provide cover for small arms fire under various circumstances, and using their heavy armaments to suppress and take out other tanks or fortifications they cannot run over.
Power armor on the other hand is part of the niche role of busting straight through walls and essentially wear a big "hit me" sign to distract goat frickers.
Your options are loud as frick gas/disel generators (the changing of angles and gravity effect on fuel could be a solvable problem) and also carbon monoxide poisoning indoors. Fun fun fun.
Aluminum air batteryes - non rechargable but higher energy density then LiO.
And LiO batteryes.
Maybe even using Li
Maybe a combination of those powersources and/or downsizing the armor to full body frag armor + more then standard rifle plate coverage but at that point, You are not getting a cost effective piece of kit. Nod and thermal investment for the purchase/ logistics cost of powered armor might be better at our current tech.
You could also use methane fuel cells. They're like hydrogen fuel cells but less of a pain to work with.
Standard C is better
tfw can finally do one push up
No, race baiting turns boards into /misc/. Do you like /misc/? Go there and stay there. Don't like /misc/? Then why are you turning /k/ into /misc/?
Its 4 chan you fricking pussy, if you want something different go back to plebbit.
You do remember we have an entire board for political incorrectness, right? It was created explicitly because /misc/ posting is so toxic that no other board wants to deal with it.
power armor is fricking moronic and they suck in game anyway.
Oh please, scapegoating minorities is Evil Dictator 101. It's basically what Nero did to the Christians thousands of years ago. It's normal to be suspicious when someone says "It's because of [minority]" because it usually means someone is diverting attention.
Power armor would be generally useful for close combat scenarios. Urban combat, trench and bunker clearing, fighting in forests and rolling hills, etc. Any place with limited lines of sight.
Honestly, you could have Power Armor ride on top of a tank just for that extra edge in firepower.
Yeah but something that *doesn't* look like Mr Frog
Physics, moron
kill all slideposters
What kind of physics? Which branch?
You want the real answer? We just don't have a non gas power supply. If we had mini fission reactors that lasted 800 years and didn't leak off deadly level of radiation we'd have power armor by now.
>mini fission
OP's suit doesn't use fission, it uses micro fusion, like most of the advanced pre apoc gear in the setting.
How about robot suits that look like this though?
Damn, living clothes, such a comparably rare fetish
And this is why /misc/ is so toxic. The Racist mind can only comprehend one problem and can only offer one solution. Brain rot in it's most primitive form.
>"why don't we have [thing that doesn't exist]"
>"its more useful than [thing that does exist]"
are you fricking stupid
Feels like power armor would be insanely useful in urban combat/inside buildings where there's not much room/ability for anti-tank weapons against them, given their smaller profile, but that they'd be almost useless in open combat.
You really just need full body level III protection and that'll stop most threats in close quarters. Explosives would still be a problem but a frag grenade would need to be at your feet to kill you.
India is leading the way
I'd like to see him against Ma Deuce to see who wins
Cost. Price to utility for a dude running around with a gun outweighs armoring them to Iron Man level on earth.
Now change the environment to like the moon where people are going to need space suits to get about you might as well armor and power them up because the replacement cost of new dude and suit is going to be greater
PA, no
Mecha, no
Minimecha, yes
why'd you have to put MOLLE on the power armour?
Why does the Enclave armor always look so damn cool?
Because it is.
I've never liked the stupid tubes that come out of the head
They look like dreads or perhaps the braided hair of women wearing latex bondage masks, much prefer the T51 helm
Ruined when I realised the head is supposed to look like an eagle.
Looks more like a crow to me, but eagle is on brand.
I thought it was supposed to look like a cow skull
>Supposed to look like an eagle
Games Workshop once again taking us to school.
Man, beak Marines look so cool and so stupid at the same time.
The same can be said about GW as a whole. So cool, so stupid.
They do, and yet they give a better impression of a bird than the Enclave armor.
...well at least you've got onsite humans rather than trying to play an RTS from another continent.
Beak marines are supposed to resemble a hounskull or armet.
What specialized uniform or undersuit would Power Armor Soldiers wear underneath the armor itself? In all of scifi, power armor soldiers seemingly always wear a specialized or specific BDU undersuit for power armor users. Supposedly the purpose of the undersuits is be thin and form fitting to the power armor's interior and. Also another main purpose of the undersuits is to interface the user's body and or limbs and joints with the power armor frame.
Pic related since Fallout OP pic. According to the Fallout wiki, the undersuits the BoS personnel wear are military BDUs worn by power armor users to interface with the power armor frame like mentioned earlier. Would our future exoskeleton operatives wear a similar "undersuit" which also is supposedly based on an Astronaut's inner layer clothing for their EVA suits?
Having an active cooling base layer powered by the suit would certainly be one way to solve the heat issues power armor would likely have.
>Get given power armor
>Go to war with power armor
>Get rekt by some relatively cheap contrivance meant to deal with your dumb ass
>B-but... literally...
Barring some unforeseen breakthrough, power armor as you're thinking of it goes as far as SWAT teams and that's it.
Wearing full power armor, artillery shell blows up near by, shrapnel pings off your armor.
You're allowed to think that a thing's cool but the instant you decide to present ridiculous fictional ideas as practical you make yourself objectively wrong and dumb and gay.
Know what happens to a tank when an artillery shell blows up close but not a direct hit? It pings off the armor. A hit that close would kill infantry and shreds unarmed vehicles but only does damage with luck. Power armor won't offer as good a protection as a tank but it should be able to ignore an air burst at 75m that kills infantry at 500m. This raises the cost to counter that armor from getting a round within a few hundred meters to infantry in the open to needing to be almost directly on target.
>*gets DMR'd with fancy ammunition or simply just explosiondroned*
There will always be a relatively cheap & easy counter to power armor and the systems that would allow it to work unless some turbosperg pulls some brand new science out of their ass.
A DMR wouldn't pierce the armor at any vital point. At best, the wearer would be mission killed but that just means he'll be back in a week and more experienced. The proposal is Level III on the limbs and Level IV on the vitals.
Likewise, a drone attack would need to land a direct hit rather than merely getting close. High altitude grenade drops have enough trouble hitting the engine deck of a stationary tank. Hitting a man-sized target on the run is asking a lot. And that's assuming he's not carrying a jammer.
>Nuh-uh he has a magic shield and impenetrable armor
Power armor gays are those kids who'd take a plastic sword to the head then insist the hit didn't count for whatever reason.
>Nuh-uh he has a magic shield and impenetrable armor
...UHMWPE and Boron Carbide are magical?
Are you seriously suggesting using single use rocket launchers against Power Armor? Do you want to see what happens to men armed with muskets goes up against men armed with AKs?
42. Also, don't doubt the effectiveness of experienced soldiers. No matter how well trained a man is there's a chance he's going to freeze up in combat the first time but someone who has already seem combat won't freeze up until PTSD has set in.
Too noisy, oxygen hungry, and vulnerable to stalling if turned upsidedown.
>...UHMWPE and Boron Carbide are magical?
Not in the real world but in any contrivance you cook up they'd need to be because you're working backwards from a conclusion that's not in tune with reality.
You do realize that working backwards is an entirely valid means of developing technology, right? Most of the US Space Program involved tech that didn't exist when the program was launched and engineers had to work backwards from what we needed to figure out what to make next.
Not really. UHMWPE just needs 6 pounds per square foot to get Level III+ performance. The human body has about 18 square feet of surface area. That works out to 108 pounds of Dyneema to completely cover a human. Too much for just a man but well within Power Armor limits.
>The proposal is Level III on the limbs and Level IV on the vitals.
How much protection does that offer against TBI from the enemy squad designated rocketman's grenades?
>At best, the wearer would be mission killed but that just means he'll be back in a week and more experienced.
How much xp for a level up?
>Get given tank
>Go to war with tank
>Get rekted by some relatively cheap contrivance meant to deal with your dumb ass
Frankly, the fact that the enemy now has to carry anti-PA weapons in addition to anti-infantry, anti-tank, and anti-air weapons is a minor success in it'self. Arguing that PA can be killed doesn't work when every military asset in the world can be killed, usually by something cheaper that the asset.
The closest thing we'll get would be similar to ODST armor with a small set of servos meant to help deal with the weight but not completely.
I honestly don't know why any military hasn't tried to make armor like this. A hard plastic set of armor with ceramic inserts worn over top of a Kevlar jumpsuit like ODST armor seems like it would be superb shrapnel protection while providing acceptable ballistic protection, all while being relatively low weight and mostly preserving the user's range of movement. Seems like it would be a lot better than the fabric plate carrier/kneepads nonsense soliders use now.
no cheek weld
You'd need to use UHMWPE for the plastic bits and they're not thick enough to stop anything but shrapnel but it's possible. You'd still need some sort of cloth armor for the joints, though. Articulate plate needs to be fitted to the user or it hurts flexibility.
I really liked how Fallout did their implementation of power armour in the lore.
>rushed in stop gap equipment as the US struggled to move their heavy tanks and AFV's up through canada to combat the red invasion
>crude power armour was used on the squad level giving a heavy weapons platform to the squad that could cope with anti tank, suppression and anti air roles
>generally gets more refined as the military realizes the untapped potential of these systems
>further refined post nuclear collapse by the remnants of the US military into a more personalized system to enable them to be even more effective in their role as de facto peacekeepers in the post nuclear wasteland
What I think is interesting is the variation in design and manufacturing that Fallout power armor seems to have. T45 power armor seems to be made from heavy castings of solid steel, while T51 power armor seems to be made out of riveted steel stampings which gives T51 armor a smoother look. And all of this research and development was done quickly towards the end of the Great War during a resource shortage no less.
That's one of the subtle ironies of the Fallout story line that I find interesting, the USA and China could obviously have accomplished such great things if they hadn't devoted their entire industrial bases to destroying each other, and ultimately the world. What could have been we will never know.
T-51 armor is made from 'poly-laminate composite' with a thin silver coating.
Don't think we ever get what T-45d is made of but I'd be willing to bet it's just some basic metal alloy.
If they put as much energy into making reactors as they did making bombs then the whole race for oil issue would have been pointless.
Why can't the proportions of this armor be as good in-game as they are in this picture?
What if we powered the power armor with miniature combustion engines instead of batteries? And the we armored up the combustion engines?
Perhaps we can add to the mobility of the soldier with a set of road wheels, or a tracked component. So that soldier exhaustion is lessened.
power armor gays would just end up in a drone strike webm on /misc/ just like everything else.
See this kids? This is undeniable proof that aliens are among us and that they are scared shitless of our capacity for war and violence. Why else would they be trying to stiffle our military science evolution? Don't listen to filthy unwashed greyskins. Make power armor. Total xenocide now.
Nah just use robots instead
>robots
>*beep boop* war now is like my video games
That shit's lame. You are lame.
War is not about being cool, its about achieving objectives
Why not achieving objectives in a cool way?
And telling your robot minions to go frick shit up as you take potshots with a UBGL isn't?
Where is this from? Google image seach is giving me Girls Frontline.
It is GF, you can find the artist is IIIIV on Twitter and pixiv he does a bunch of stuff sci Fi load out stuff mostly GF. This is some neo-soviet anti ELID special forces stuff. Manpower is stretched incredibly thin so dolls make up for the gaps after half the world got super tibirium crystal aids and a world war rolled through.
>GF
Ah yes, the setting that cited manpower shortages for why they're sending love bots into combat.
IIIIV seems to make good stuff, tho.
Hey the actual army has dedicated combat bots. It's only our cheap ass PMC who is pinching pennies by converting roombas and sexbots into barely legal T-dolls. The personality issues is 100% on havel. Don't ask what Sangvis Ferri is doing they're run by a literal child
>still using the 2a72 and 2a70
stillborn concept
cool robots, though
Man where is the blood? Where is the sweat, effort and triumph? If war is no different than playing CoD against a pimple faced teen with a cracking voice what the frick is even war anymore? Complete detachment from reality.
Take a better look at the pics. He's got local human commanders ordering around the Cyclops drones.
homosexuals and gentlemen, here is your power source. please stop with
>but muh batteries
and start designing
>Have to fight inside a building
>Suffocate instantly.
NEXT
you suffocate the enemy because the suit has breathing apparatus. also most buildings that can support the wrought and are large enough for proper powered armor have really good ventilation for all the other vehicles that use the building
That means you need a SCBA system in addition to guns and armor and have to consider the engine might stall due to lack of oxygen. Overall, you're dealing with less power for more weight.
fair enough, i still stand by the argument that if the building is large enough to enter and move around in with a power suit (it won't be nearly as compact as fallout due to realism), the building will likely have sufficient ventilation. i also wouldnt consider it ideal for indoors anyway. also if one really needed to, going full kool aid man creates great ventilation
also nice trips
The problem is that fighting in tight quarters is the best niche for Power Armor. Fighting in the open would mean trying to out-tank a tank. This means keeping the weight low is a high priority just so PA can climb stairs without breaking them.
The oxygen issue comes in more with bunkers. It's already such an issue that Flamethrowers are more dangerous because of the oxygen consumption rather than the heat. Even for large and decently ventillated buildings will strain from mutliple PAs in one room. If you're storming a deep mountain complex then IC engines are out of the question.
>imagine 400 insane little horses between your legs
In a row?
power constraints.
>Literally more useful than a tank?
How, as in firepower, mobility and protection, which a tank, even an interwar era tank moggs power armor completely?
Not OP but PA would be more flexible than tanks. I mean, just having the exoskeleton would help with vehicle maintenance. Do you know how many procedures need you to lift up the tank? Just having some power assistance to get 120mm through the hatch would be great.
Everybody saying power constraints is unfamiliar with what has already been deployed (in limited, specialist numbers).
We don't have power armor, because the military industrial complex is not that invested in keeping people alive. The longer you live the smarter you become, the smarter you become you realize that the mil/ind cmplx thinks of itself as it's own god. The means are justified by the ends. It doesn't matter who dies or for what, as long as somebody dies. Women, kids, old fricks, and young bucks all meat for their table. Society at large only benefits from SOME warfare. A limitless supply of it has been created to benefit shareholders in corps, not humanity at large. If soldiers were kept alive to catch on to the absurdity of it all, they would then have the training and skills to work against the war for profit machine. It's easier to kill you off, or maim you mentally or physically to make you an invalid/non threat to the machine. That way the money and meat keep flowing. Always feeding the machine. If you were protected, you could become an existential threat to the machine. You could teach younger generations of the absurdity of it all. You could slow down the profits. Starve the machine. No, you aren't supposed to have that sort of power over the machine. That's why we don't have power armor. Not to mention it is out classed by explosives, every time. The human body can't withstand the trauma that this sort of armor can in your head. Even if we had the tech to defeat explosives, we are still the weak link. We don't have the energy technology, we don't have the metallurgical technology, we don't have the desire to threaten the machine's ability to romance people into giving their lives for the facade of "fighting evil."
It's for now more useful to instead give full body fragmentation protection, given all the spicy little metal shards that like to fly around. Maybe with some advances in textiles and helmets so that no weak fleshy bits are exposed. Might not stop a bullet, but you gotta start somewhere.
No one understands that a tall, well trained power armor user could massacre hundreds of people in urban combat