>because recording real gunshots
this
sounds that loud, like racecars for example overload almost every recording device you will see in use, you never hear what it really sounds like unless it's in person
It wouldn't matter, because that's just one link in a chain. Let's say we have a theoretically perfect mic that really can capture every nuance of a gunshot. We're not done: whatever method used to record the audio needs to have high enough dynamic range to actually capture the mic's signal accurately, so we'd need to invent some new super-high-bitrate digital standard, or some ultra-precise new analog standard, for recording Then on the other end, when the audio is played back, the amp and the speakers need to be able to reproduce it accurately, which is an even bigger problem than recording it in the first place.
Nevermind the fact that it would actually sound better to most people when skilled engineers get involved and mix sound from different sources like
https://i.imgur.com/0Dzxjlk.jpg
Heat was exceptional in the sense that the location happened to reverberate just right so the gunshots sounded punchy. You're just as likely to get to shoot on a location where the blanks will sound like ass and you'll have to cover up everything in post.
In the older Dice Battlefield games where they recorded real guns to use in-game, they didn't use a straight rip of real life recordings to use in the game files. They touched everything up. For example a microphone won't pick up all the subtle sounds at the required levels. So foley artists do stuff like record a sliding door clicking shut and dropping a penny on a metal plate so that they can add the sound of a case extracting. In real life you're not going to hear casings in the middle of a gunfight. But the action of a firearm makes these noises (even AR buffer springs "sproing" during cycling), and you can use real recordings as a base layer and then add effects on top of noises that would be imperceptible and this makes you hear the guns "more real than real". You didn't notice. But your brain did. Remove the effects and you only get "pows" and "pah-tchews". Completely underwhelming even though they are real guns recorded on professional-grade microphones.
Heat's shootout happened to have the reverb bounce off the empty streets *just right* to add the punch so they only had to play with levels and balance to make it sound good.
It's not hard. However, gunfire drowns out dialogue, and movies are about dialogue. It's pretty simple, and it's the same reason you'll see people in movies and on TV having intimate conversations in a crowded room with loud music with relative ease, and sometimes the music will actually roll back for such things. It's immersion breaking, to me, because such environments will have an effect on the interactions that you're having, i.e. your more likely to paraphrase when you're having to yell, and when you're yelling (even when you're yelling to compete with your surroundings) your tone is different. Like I said, it's pretty immersion breaking, at least to me.
The real questions is why don't more movies use real world reactions to getting shot instead of people suddenly dropping >the mummy arms forwards while flopping on the ground position >people begging for their lives after getting hit >the gut shot writhing in pain >the limbs that go non-functional >the staggering around before collapsing >the spurts of blood while desperately clutching their wounds >the cratered skulls and horrific injuries
>executives unironically think stock sounds sound better.
We all know executives are a bunch of fricking moronic buttholes who don't know the difference between taking a risk and doing something to improve the product. Most of them are nepotistic homosexuals either way who honestly shouldn't have a say in the matters of well performing directors either way.
If you've seen any of the recent movies he's in, it's obvious that his mind is pretty much gone these days.
Sure, he makes a killing "acting" for like 30 minutes or so, but no sane mentally sound man looks, talks and behaves like he does in the recent stuff he's been in.
The 80s taught Hollywood that you could just have the actors wave around a prop at hip level and then tell your FX editing team to add some flashes and pew pew sounds.
Because it costs more, is harder to record, sounds more foriegn to audiences, and because Hollywood had to stop using real guns after Brandon Lee and some others died in filming accidents.
This will only increase as a result of the Rust shooting death recently.
Rust in another state as a small film probably backed with private funds got around Hollywood requirenents.
Big Hollywood movies cost huge amounts of money. They typically require insurance to cover an accident that halts production.
These bankers get to dictate what can be done to qualify. Many do not approve of real firearms for shooting scenes.
Blanks are lethal too if they are in contact or get something in the barrel.
Michael Mann was able to insist as a big star to get exceptioned not long after the no real guns policy was taking off.
Most of Hollywood only allows real guns for loading or firearm manipulation scenes, not shooting scenes.
It was an industry move after multiple deaths in the industry from accidents involving real and blank firing weapons.
I believe it was financialy motivated and insurance related. Movie production is very expensive and various things are insured in case of accident.
A star getting hurt mid filming can delay or ruin a movie. Many movies actually prefer stars dont do thier own stunts for this reason, just a minor injury can delay production and increase costs.
A star dying easily cancels the movie. That means all the millions into it up to that point are just wasted.
Insurance exists for various things and they dont want to pay out, so they create rules.
The Crow was able to be finished with enough footage after Brandon Lee died from being shot during filming, but just barely, and likely not with ideal footage for some scenes.
Heat came out two years later. Michael Mann had a lot of clout, and he got his movie made how he wanted with real guns.
Producers financing thier own movies or having more expensive or no insurance can probably get around some rules too, of course hollywood has some CA firearm exemptions allowing all sorts of banned gun, so you still would need to fit within those exemption requirements for those options.
The Rust incident, and how big of a profile case it is I am sure is amplifying how much risk the movie industry considers firearms, so working with real firing guns on set is only likely to be harder.
They still need real guns for realistic loading, unloading, and disassembly. But they can be rendered non operational for those cases.
Cgi and prop guns have become good enough and cheap enough they dont need many real guns like they used to. A cheap old western probably had more real guns in it than all the action movies made in a current year.
Heat was exceptional in the sense that the location happened to reverberate just right so the gunshots sounded punchy. You're just as likely to get to shoot on a location where the blanks will sound like ass and you'll have to cover up everything in post.
In the older Dice Battlefield games where they recorded real guns to use in-game, they didn't use a straight rip of real life recordings to use in the game files. They touched everything up. For example a microphone won't pick up all the subtle sounds at the required levels. So foley artists do stuff like record a sliding door clicking shut and dropping a penny on a metal plate so that they can add the sound of a case extracting. In real life you're not going to hear casings in the middle of a gunfight. But the action of a firearm makes these noises (even AR buffer springs "sproing" during cycling), and you can use real recordings as a base layer and then add effects on top of noises that would be imperceptible and this makes you hear the guns "more real than real". You didn't notice. But your brain did. Remove the effects and you only get "pows" and "pah-tchews". Completely underwhelming even though they are real guns recorded on professional-grade microphones.
Heat's shootout happened to have the reverb bounce off the empty streets *just right* to add the punch so they only had to play with levels and balance to make it sound good.
From far away huns sound boring, like a dumb woodpecker. Up close the true dynamic range is not suitable for reproduction on standard playback equipment without damaging the audiences' hearing.
Same thing with construction noises in TV and movies
Some games manage to make guns sound proper. Maybe it's also related to the animation, I'm not sure, but firing off a .308 in Ready or Not sounds like you're shooting a short barrel battle rifle. My point being that you can at least make it sound more real. I watched some stupid korean sci fi on netflix a few weeks back and every gunshot used the same sound clip. There was a guy magdumping an AR and it sounded like old counter strike or something, every shot exactly the same.
Because they sound gay and don’t convey the impression and shock firing a gun. Think of how lame guns sounded in BF3 vs. the made up bassy and reverbed gun sounds of Bad Company 3.
>good guy is a cuck
Yeah anon, he was a deeply flawed individual, at some points he really wasn't the good guy, its called complex character building :03
2 months ago
Anonymous
he was coked up during filming btw, so i wouldn't try to analyze the character too much lol
Armored truck robbery, drive-in shootout, "she's got a b-GREAT ASS," Hanna telling his cucker to sit down, diner scene, airport duel, cops trying to bait Shirherlis, LAPD getting duped, Waingro getting taken down were all pretty dope scenes.
Because the truck robbery at the start wasn't awesome? The shootout at the drive-in theatre wasn't awesome? The unhinged antics of Pacino abusing his CIs and throwing Henry Rollins through a glass door wasn't comical? Or the awesome night time cinematography of LA highways, airports, and skylines?
It wasn't made for babies with ADHD. Maybe Transformers is more your speed.
https://i.imgur.com/8IqzbV9.jpg
I think it also demonstrates the relativity of everyone's situations in the movie, and what's at stake for all the characters. Pacino is only concerned with hunting down the biggest baddest criminals. DeNiro is only concerned with the best scores. Kilmer is only concerned with keeping his head above water to float his gambling addiction. Sizemore just wants more action no matter what. Pacino's wife just wants a normal life with a family but she keeps getting denied this by her husband and messed up daughter. Portman just wants someone to care about her. The black driver just wants a chance to prove he's more than a scumbag ex-con, realizing he's always going to be seen as trash by society.
The movie is heavy on narcissism, with each character obsessed and driven in their own little worlds with their own little goals, blind to everyone around them.
The movie is so well written I've watched it a dozen times and still pick up new stuff each time. When I see people saying it's boring I just assume they're moronic or maybe very gay.
Nah the whole point of that is to show him as a personal life failure. The stress and mindset and erratic schedule of his job ruins his ability to have an ideal family life.
That is real life for most law enforcement and a lot of military. The mindset of dealing with bad guys and life or death and real suffering makes you pay less attention to silly fluff your family is concerned with, and that drives you apart.
He gives so much to his job he is not there for his wife and kid, she cheats on him, and his daughter has serious emotional issues he isnt there to help with.
When a serious thing happens he still tries to ignore that stuff and be there for family.
That is real life.
It shows even a great detective can and often is still a broke divorced broken family guy that ends up paying alimony and child support and sees a kid that thier mother trains not to like them every other weekend. While having to see and interact with the new man banging his ex.
That is real life for many of the best cops and some of the most badass soldiers. And movies dont show you it normaly, but it is important in understanding the character.
The good guy doesnt win and get the girl and live happily ever after.
agreed and i fricking love this flick like yall wouldnt believe
first time i saw it was at the fox theater in westwood los angeles with my girlfriend at the time. cried like a b***h at the end cause i was so into it. then there was a Q&A with michael mann after the movie and he seemed like a really humble and genuine dude. one of the best memories of my life. also why i bought a 220 lol thx for reading my blog post
you're an ass, she was integral to Vincent's redemption arc
if you just want bang bang shooty stuff there are a million movies like that, Tears of the Sun and Triple Frontier are great examples of tacticool slaughter
Nah the whole point of that is to show him as a personal life failure. The stress and mindset and erratic schedule of his job ruins his ability to have an ideal family life.
That is real life for most law enforcement and a lot of military. The mindset of dealing with bad guys and life or death and real suffering makes you pay less attention to silly fluff your family is concerned with, and that drives you apart.
He gives so much to his job he is not there for his wife and kid, she cheats on him, and his daughter has serious emotional issues he isnt there to help with.
When a serious thing happens he still tries to ignore that stuff and be there for family.
That is real life.
It shows even a great detective can and often is still a broke divorced broken family guy that ends up paying alimony and child support and sees a kid that thier mother trains not to like them every other weekend. While having to see and interact with the new man banging his ex.
That is real life for many of the best cops and some of the most badass soldiers. And movies dont show you it normaly, but it is important in understanding the character.
The good guy doesnt win and get the girl and live happily ever after.
I think it also demonstrates the relativity of everyone's situations in the movie, and what's at stake for all the characters. Pacino is only concerned with hunting down the biggest baddest criminals. DeNiro is only concerned with the best scores. Kilmer is only concerned with keeping his head above water to float his gambling addiction. Sizemore just wants more action no matter what. Pacino's wife just wants a normal life with a family but she keeps getting denied this by her husband and messed up daughter. Portman just wants someone to care about her. The black driver just wants a chance to prove he's more than a scumbag ex-con, realizing he's always going to be seen as trash by society.
The movie is heavy on narcissism, with each character obsessed and driven in their own little worlds with their own little goals, blind to everyone around them.
The movie is so well written I've watched it a dozen times and still pick up new stuff each time. When I see people saying it's boring I just assume they're moronic or maybe very gay.
I think it also demonstrates the relativity of everyone's situations in the movie, and what's at stake for all the characters. Pacino is only concerned with hunting down the biggest baddest criminals. DeNiro is only concerned with the best scores. Kilmer is only concerned with keeping his head above water to float his gambling addiction. Sizemore just wants more action no matter what. Pacino's wife just wants a normal life with a family but she keeps getting denied this by her husband and messed up daughter. Portman just wants someone to care about her. The black driver just wants a chance to prove he's more than a scumbag ex-con, realizing he's always going to be seen as trash by society.
The movie is heavy on narcissism, with each character obsessed and driven in their own little worlds with their own little goals, blind to everyone around them.
The movie is so well written I've watched it a dozen times and still pick up new stuff each time. When I see people saying it's boring I just assume they're moronic or maybe very gay.
Additionally DeNiro's character lays it out that the only way to make it is to be able to let go and drop everything once the heat is around the corner. Pacino is in a way conforming to this ideal by neglecting his family, which reinforces the central theme about McCauley and Hanna being two sides of the same coin.
In a sort of ironic twist McCauley does drop Eady to flee Hanna, but the whole reason he bumped into Vincent was because he wanted to get revenge on Waingro, if he had just let go he could have ran away with Eady and retire happy.
Hanna's conflict about not bringing home stuff that happens at work is also weaved into the plot by Waingro killing a teen prostitute, instead of coming out of nowhere.
What is that? What the frick is that???
2 months ago
Anonymous
tell me the movie right now for my blacklist
It's a garbage TV show, pretty sure it was an NBC offering and is long dead and cancelled. The most annoying thing is even having the actor dry firing airsoft gas blowback pistols would be more believable than the attitude they have now towards how to do it in a lot of shows and films. At least in John Wick 4 they had an explaination for why the gun didn't do shit when fired, most of them (like that show) don't even bother trying to go that far.
Huge part of the problem, obviously, is all of it's done in a town where the vast majority of people know dick all about guns and an industry where nearly everyone is rabidly anti-gun and has to be to get a job. The average Hollywood studio employee's understanding of firearms and weapons in general is probably "chocolate milk comes from brown cows" tier.
>The mindset of dealing with bad guys and life or death and real suffering
That's what you get for being a agent of the state you homosexual. You all get what you deserve after the shit you homosexuals pulled during covid
2 months ago
Anonymous
2 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah, because it's the fault of doughnut munchers and GIs that the upper echelons of federal government were fricking everyone over. You should lynch the jerks working at the post office with the Clintons.
Because the truck robbery at the start wasn't awesome? The shootout at the drive-in theatre wasn't awesome? The unhinged antics of Pacino abusing his CIs and throwing Henry Rollins through a glass door wasn't comical? Or the awesome night time cinematography of LA highways, airports, and skylines?
It wasn't made for babies with ADHD. Maybe Transformers is more your speed.
The detail that went into the weapons and tactics was high. The realistic sound is one of them.
The character building makes it something you can get a woman to watch with you. The characters are realistic flawed people.
It is cemented in American culture because the North Hollywood shootout happened not long after by guys living a similar life who had a copy of the movie in thier vcr when the place was raided.
They had been doing similar robberies since at least 1993 though, so were not copycats.
The North Hollywood shootout is what led to most of the police in the usa carrying rifles, often ar15s.
So the movie also marks around the last time the things done in it would be effective against the type of police response they had in the movie. (The detail pursuing them has rifles though.)
So it is culturally significant.
Like or dislike them, Michael Mann's works do a good job at putting you in the time period of the setting. Movies like Heat or Public Enemies could be better, but I still like them because it's easy to get immersed in it. Anything from Miami Vice to Collateral does the same for me because the guns, cars, and music are always spot on.
that's basically what real shootouts look like, tons of hiding and falling, nervous peeking and crawling around while trying not to shit one's pants from the pure adrenaline surging through their veins
You know what really grinds my gears?
Games where you can hear the action move louder than the "bang".
It sounds like you're just racking the slide or bolt with an added quiet gunshot effect and it's just painfully obvious the makers have never fired a firearm in their lives.
You know, I often suspect that /k/ is populated by a high proportion of morons with no clue what they're talking about.
Between "the hero is a cuck", "Heat is a boring movie that is hyped up", "one good scene" "the definition of mid." comments, I'm becoming more and more convinced that those idiots have a combined IQ that's still under 100...
There's been a huge migration of plebbitors in the last 5 years that's really diluted the subculture of this board. They brought their left-leaning homosexual shit with them and foist it upon every thread. They much prefer capeshit and harry potter to masterpieces like HEAT. I suspect a lot of them are zoomers too.
My man several trip gays from /k/ were crossdressers back in the day. I've been posting here since the 2010s, own guns, and have had sexual copulations with a trans woman. /misc/ tourists who migrated here after pedochan and the_donald got shut down are the worst
>My man several trip gays from /k/ were crossdressers back in the day
yeah and they were always ridiculed for being disgusting homosexuals, just like we bullied them on PrepHole when they'd slither over there to crosspost. the difference is they were an exception to the rule and a severe minority. now it's like every other thread devolves into shit about trannies or some guy posting his horse dick dildoes. it's frickin moronic.
>plebbitors >left-leaning homosexual shit >capeshit and harry potter >Zoomers
No. You are the problem. go back to /misc/ with your fricking moronic bullshit and your idiotic obsession with identity politics, and your mindless phrases of whatever you've been indoctrinated to hate. You are worse than those people you obsess over.
You are the people who have shat on the board cultures and ruined it for everyone. Frick off.
Where the frick do you think you are you gaping homosexual? have a nice day.
>plebbitors >left-leaning homosexual shit >capeshit and harry potter >Zoomers
No. You are the problem. go back to /misc/ with your fricking moronic bullshit and your idiotic obsession with identity politics, and your mindless phrases of whatever you've been indoctrinated to hate. You are worse than those people you obsess over.
You are the people who have shat on the board cultures and ruined it for everyone. Frick off.
Are all six seasons that bad? Because at some point it's gotta orbit back around to solid comedy gold. Wonder if anyone compiled some of the best moments.
The editing process to get the flow of the scene would be tough. Now you have to account for the firing sounds in different takes, angles, and such. At that point, lifting sounds from stock footage is easier.
because every viewer will have tinnitus
If the film doesn't give you tinnitus, is it even really worth watching?
I DIDN'T CARE FOR TITANTIC
The Big Lez show spinoff -The Mike Nolan Show has a really obnoxiously loud revolver sound effect in the last episode
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because recording real gunshots and getting them to sound good is pretty tough
>because recording real gunshots
this
sounds that loud, like racecars for example overload almost every recording device you will see in use, you never hear what it really sounds like unless it's in person
because audio mixing is important
Because microphone clipping noises are not badass
you'd think with those 8/9 figure budgets they could figure out a way around those pesky mic technology constraints
It wouldn't matter, because that's just one link in a chain. Let's say we have a theoretically perfect mic that really can capture every nuance of a gunshot. We're not done: whatever method used to record the audio needs to have high enough dynamic range to actually capture the mic's signal accurately, so we'd need to invent some new super-high-bitrate digital standard, or some ultra-precise new analog standard, for recording Then on the other end, when the audio is played back, the amp and the speakers need to be able to reproduce it accurately, which is an even bigger problem than recording it in the first place.
Nevermind the fact that it would actually sound better to most people when skilled engineers get involved and mix sound from different sources like
explains.
It's not hard. However, gunfire drowns out dialogue, and movies are about dialogue. It's pretty simple, and it's the same reason you'll see people in movies and on TV having intimate conversations in a crowded room with loud music with relative ease, and sometimes the music will actually roll back for such things. It's immersion breaking, to me, because such environments will have an effect on the interactions that you're having, i.e. your more likely to paraphrase when you're having to yell, and when you're yelling (even when you're yelling to compete with your surroundings) your tone is different. Like I said, it's pretty immersion breaking, at least to me.
actual answer: Hollywood regs and bullshit regarding guns, cheaper to just use SFX
bump
If what Michael Mann says is anything to go by, executives unironically think stock sounds sound better.
>tfw recognize a stock sound and immersion is ruined
It's too bad they're moronic
>Every machine gun sounds like that one recording of an M60.
>Every shotgun is that same Spas 12 recording
In the same vein
>characters in heavy firefight, all incoming fire just sounds like whizzing
>Michael Mann says
Lol
Stock sounds are cheaper literally no one thinks they sound better
The real questions is why don't more movies use real world reactions to getting shot instead of people suddenly dropping
>the mummy arms forwards while flopping on the ground position
>people begging for their lives after getting hit
>the gut shot writhing in pain
>the limbs that go non-functional
>the staggering around before collapsing
>the spurts of blood while desperately clutching their wounds
>the cratered skulls and horrific injuries
>executives unironically think stock sounds sound better.
We all know executives are a bunch of fricking moronic buttholes who don't know the difference between taking a risk and doing something to improve the product. Most of them are nepotistic homosexuals either way who honestly shouldn't have a say in the matters of well performing directors either way.
insurance. bruce willis is deaf from filming die hard. I think blanks are going to get more and more rare as time goes on.
He's not deaf, he just has dementia
From the vax?
He was showing signs of serious cognitive decline as early as the mid-2010s so no.
vax status?
5x
If you've seen any of the recent movies he's in, it's obvious that his mind is pretty much gone these days.
Sure, he makes a killing "acting" for like 30 minutes or so, but no sane mentally sound man looks, talks and behaves like he does in the recent stuff he's been in.
The 80s taught Hollywood that you could just have the actors wave around a prop at hip level and then tell your FX editing team to add some flashes and pew pew sounds.
Because it costs more, is harder to record, sounds more foriegn to audiences, and because Hollywood had to stop using real guns after Brandon Lee and some others died in filming accidents.
This will only increase as a result of the Rust shooting death recently.
Rust in another state as a small film probably backed with private funds got around Hollywood requirenents.
Big Hollywood movies cost huge amounts of money. They typically require insurance to cover an accident that halts production.
These bankers get to dictate what can be done to qualify. Many do not approve of real firearms for shooting scenes.
Blanks are lethal too if they are in contact or get something in the barrel.
Michael Mann was able to insist as a big star to get exceptioned not long after the no real guns policy was taking off.
Most of Hollywood only allows real guns for loading or firearm manipulation scenes, not shooting scenes.
>no real guns policy
Cite your source.
It was an industry move after multiple deaths in the industry from accidents involving real and blank firing weapons.
I believe it was financialy motivated and insurance related. Movie production is very expensive and various things are insured in case of accident.
A star getting hurt mid filming can delay or ruin a movie. Many movies actually prefer stars dont do thier own stunts for this reason, just a minor injury can delay production and increase costs.
A star dying easily cancels the movie. That means all the millions into it up to that point are just wasted.
Insurance exists for various things and they dont want to pay out, so they create rules.
The Crow was able to be finished with enough footage after Brandon Lee died from being shot during filming, but just barely, and likely not with ideal footage for some scenes.
Heat came out two years later. Michael Mann had a lot of clout, and he got his movie made how he wanted with real guns.
Producers financing thier own movies or having more expensive or no insurance can probably get around some rules too, of course hollywood has some CA firearm exemptions allowing all sorts of banned gun, so you still would need to fit within those exemption requirements for those options.
The Rust incident, and how big of a profile case it is I am sure is amplifying how much risk the movie industry considers firearms, so working with real firing guns on set is only likely to be harder.
They still need real guns for realistic loading, unloading, and disassembly. But they can be rendered non operational for those cases.
Cgi and prop guns have become good enough and cheap enough they dont need many real guns like they used to. A cheap old western probably had more real guns in it than all the action movies made in a current year.
Heat was exceptional in the sense that the location happened to reverberate just right so the gunshots sounded punchy. You're just as likely to get to shoot on a location where the blanks will sound like ass and you'll have to cover up everything in post.
In the older Dice Battlefield games where they recorded real guns to use in-game, they didn't use a straight rip of real life recordings to use in the game files. They touched everything up. For example a microphone won't pick up all the subtle sounds at the required levels. So foley artists do stuff like record a sliding door clicking shut and dropping a penny on a metal plate so that they can add the sound of a case extracting. In real life you're not going to hear casings in the middle of a gunfight. But the action of a firearm makes these noises (even AR buffer springs "sproing" during cycling), and you can use real recordings as a base layer and then add effects on top of noises that would be imperceptible and this makes you hear the guns "more real than real". You didn't notice. But your brain did. Remove the effects and you only get "pows" and "pah-tchews". Completely underwhelming even though they are real guns recorded on professional-grade microphones.
Heat's shootout happened to have the reverb bounce off the empty streets *just right* to add the punch so they only had to play with levels and balance to make it sound good.
From far away huns sound boring, like a dumb woodpecker. Up close the true dynamic range is not suitable for reproduction on standard playback equipment without damaging the audiences' hearing.
Same thing with construction noises in TV and movies
Some games manage to make guns sound proper. Maybe it's also related to the animation, I'm not sure, but firing off a .308 in Ready or Not sounds like you're shooting a short barrel battle rifle. My point being that you can at least make it sound more real. I watched some stupid korean sci fi on netflix a few weeks back and every gunshot used the same sound clip. There was a guy magdumping an AR and it sounded like old counter strike or something, every shot exactly the same.
Because they sound gay and don’t convey the impression and shock firing a gun. Think of how lame guns sounded in BF3 vs. the made up bassy and reverbed gun sounds of Bad Company 3.
Bad Company 2*. You get the idea.
This movie is the definition of mid.
Factually incorrect
One good scene. It would be impressive if the rest of the movie wasn't shit.
I think the movies good it just wan't made for people with the attention span of 5 seconds :03
Counterpoint: "good" guy is a cuck
It's trash.
>good guy is a cuck
Yeah anon, he was a deeply flawed individual, at some points he really wasn't the good guy, its called complex character building :03
he was coked up during filming btw, so i wouldn't try to analyze the character too much lol
Armored truck robbery, drive-in shootout, "she's got a b-GREAT ASS," Hanna telling his cucker to sit down, diner scene, airport duel, cops trying to bait Shirherlis, LAPD getting duped, Waingro getting taken down were all pretty dope scenes.
The whole film is pretty masterful
The wrong Scott died
Maybe I'll get some beer and watch it again tonight while fondling my 733 clone
agreed and i fricking love this flick like yall wouldnt believe
first time i saw it was at the fox theater in westwood los angeles with my girlfriend at the time. cried like a b***h at the end cause i was so into it. then there was a Q&A with michael mann after the movie and he seemed like a really humble and genuine dude. one of the best memories of my life. also why i bought a 220 lol thx for reading my blog post
You left out your patreon link and buy me a coffee QR code.
SHES GOT A GREAT ASS. AND YOUR HEAD IS ALL THE WAY UP IT!
That whole subplot with Pacino's stupid daughter should've been axed.
a 120 minute cut of Heat would be superb
you're an ass, she was integral to Vincent's redemption arc
if you just want bang bang shooty stuff there are a million movies like that, Tears of the Sun and Triple Frontier are great examples of tacticool slaughter
Nah the whole point of that is to show him as a personal life failure. The stress and mindset and erratic schedule of his job ruins his ability to have an ideal family life.
That is real life for most law enforcement and a lot of military. The mindset of dealing with bad guys and life or death and real suffering makes you pay less attention to silly fluff your family is concerned with, and that drives you apart.
He gives so much to his job he is not there for his wife and kid, she cheats on him, and his daughter has serious emotional issues he isnt there to help with.
When a serious thing happens he still tries to ignore that stuff and be there for family.
That is real life.
It shows even a great detective can and often is still a broke divorced broken family guy that ends up paying alimony and child support and sees a kid that thier mother trains not to like them every other weekend. While having to see and interact with the new man banging his ex.
That is real life for many of the best cops and some of the most badass soldiers. And movies dont show you it normaly, but it is important in understanding the character.
The good guy doesnt win and get the girl and live happily ever after.
I think it also demonstrates the relativity of everyone's situations in the movie, and what's at stake for all the characters. Pacino is only concerned with hunting down the biggest baddest criminals. DeNiro is only concerned with the best scores. Kilmer is only concerned with keeping his head above water to float his gambling addiction. Sizemore just wants more action no matter what. Pacino's wife just wants a normal life with a family but she keeps getting denied this by her husband and messed up daughter. Portman just wants someone to care about her. The black driver just wants a chance to prove he's more than a scumbag ex-con, realizing he's always going to be seen as trash by society.
The movie is heavy on narcissism, with each character obsessed and driven in their own little worlds with their own little goals, blind to everyone around them.
The movie is so well written I've watched it a dozen times and still pick up new stuff each time. When I see people saying it's boring I just assume they're moronic or maybe very gay.
Additionally DeNiro's character lays it out that the only way to make it is to be able to let go and drop everything once the heat is around the corner. Pacino is in a way conforming to this ideal by neglecting his family, which reinforces the central theme about McCauley and Hanna being two sides of the same coin.
In a sort of ironic twist McCauley does drop Eady to flee Hanna, but the whole reason he bumped into Vincent was because he wanted to get revenge on Waingro, if he had just let go he could have ran away with Eady and retire happy.
Hanna's conflict about not bringing home stuff that happens at work is also weaved into the plot by Waingro killing a teen prostitute, instead of coming out of nowhere.
What is that? What the frick is that???
It's a garbage TV show, pretty sure it was an NBC offering and is long dead and cancelled. The most annoying thing is even having the actor dry firing airsoft gas blowback pistols would be more believable than the attitude they have now towards how to do it in a lot of shows and films. At least in John Wick 4 they had an explaination for why the gun didn't do shit when fired, most of them (like that show) don't even bother trying to go that far.
Huge part of the problem, obviously, is all of it's done in a town where the vast majority of people know dick all about guns and an industry where nearly everyone is rabidly anti-gun and has to be to get a job. The average Hollywood studio employee's understanding of firearms and weapons in general is probably "chocolate milk comes from brown cows" tier.
>The mindset of dealing with bad guys and life or death and real suffering
That's what you get for being a agent of the state you homosexual. You all get what you deserve after the shit you homosexuals pulled during covid
Yeah, because it's the fault of doughnut munchers and GIs that the upper echelons of federal government were fricking everyone over. You should lynch the jerks working at the post office with the Clintons.
>one good scene
Because the truck robbery at the start wasn't awesome? The shootout at the drive-in theatre wasn't awesome? The unhinged antics of Pacino abusing his CIs and throwing Henry Rollins through a glass door wasn't comical? Or the awesome night time cinematography of LA highways, airports, and skylines?
It wasn't made for babies with ADHD. Maybe Transformers is more your speed.
Heat has too many kino scenes to list.
You thought those were actual gun sounds in heat?
Yes, because those were the actual gun sounds, recorded on set during the filming.
they reverted to the on-set audio after doing a foley effect cut.
The detail that went into the weapons and tactics was high. The realistic sound is one of them.
The character building makes it something you can get a woman to watch with you. The characters are realistic flawed people.
It is cemented in American culture because the North Hollywood shootout happened not long after by guys living a similar life who had a copy of the movie in thier vcr when the place was raided.
They had been doing similar robberies since at least 1993 though, so were not copycats.
The North Hollywood shootout is what led to most of the police in the usa carrying rifles, often ar15s.
So the movie also marks around the last time the things done in it would be effective against the type of police response they had in the movie. (The detail pursuing them has rifles though.)
So it is culturally significant.
Heat is a boring movie that is hyped up to near cult status from mouthbreathers jerking off over a 10 minute scene
can you show the mouthbreathing cultists a better shooting sequence?
You're wrong, and probably also a Black person and a homosexual.
the coffee shop scene was kino though
Like or dislike them, Michael Mann's works do a good job at putting you in the time period of the setting. Movies like Heat or Public Enemies could be better, but I still like them because it's easy to get immersed in it. Anything from Miami Vice to Collateral does the same for me because the guns, cars, and music are always spot on.
People forget he also did Last of the Mohicans and Thief, which are amazingly good at putting you right in the era with the characters.
>Thief
The ending scene is kino
>Miami Vice
seriously underrated gun kino
>shooting someone's guts out with 40mm buckshot
it looks like they filmed a child's playground shootout with blanks
that's basically what real shootouts look like, tons of hiding and falling, nervous peeking and crawling around while trying not to shit one's pants from the pure adrenaline surging through their veins
You know what really grinds my gears?
Games where you can hear the action move louder than the "bang".
It sounds like you're just racking the slide or bolt with an added quiet gunshot effect and it's just painfully obvious the makers have never fired a firearm in their lives.
You know, I often suspect that /k/ is populated by a high proportion of morons with no clue what they're talking about.
Between "the hero is a cuck", "Heat is a boring movie that is hyped up", "one good scene" "the definition of mid." comments, I'm becoming more and more convinced that those idiots have a combined IQ that's still under 100...
honestly, what planet do you idiots live on.
There's been a huge migration of plebbitors in the last 5 years that's really diluted the subculture of this board. They brought their left-leaning homosexual shit with them and foist it upon every thread. They much prefer capeshit and harry potter to masterpieces like HEAT. I suspect a lot of them are zoomers too.
Post nods
wrong thread dipshit
My man several trip gays from /k/ were crossdressers back in the day. I've been posting here since the 2010s, own guns, and have had sexual copulations with a trans woman. /misc/ tourists who migrated here after pedochan and the_donald got shut down are the worst
>My man several trip gays from /k/ were crossdressers back in the day
yeah and they were always ridiculed for being disgusting homosexuals, just like we bullied them on PrepHole when they'd slither over there to crosspost. the difference is they were an exception to the rule and a severe minority. now it's like every other thread devolves into shit about trannies or some guy posting his horse dick dildoes. it's frickin moronic.
Where the frick do you think you are you gaping homosexual? have a nice day.
>plebbitors
>left-leaning homosexual shit
>capeshit and harry potter
>Zoomers
No. You are the problem. go back to /misc/ with your fricking moronic bullshit and your idiotic obsession with identity politics, and your mindless phrases of whatever you've been indoctrinated to hate. You are worse than those people you obsess over.
You are the people who have shat on the board cultures and ruined it for everyone. Frick off.
>WAH MEANIES DON'T LIKE MY MOVIE
Suck it up, buttercup.
reddit moment
excellent comeback, kid, you really salvaged this film
it doesn't need to be salvaged, nice try tho :^)
tell me the movie right now for my blacklist
Person of Interest. There's, like, six seasons of this show packed with shootouts and gunplay if you like that kind of thing.
Are all six seasons that bad? Because at some point it's gotta orbit back around to solid comedy gold. Wonder if anyone compiled some of the best moments.
Capturing the sound is hard, timing the sound is hard.
The editing process to get the flow of the scene would be tough. Now you have to account for the firing sounds in different takes, angles, and such. At that point, lifting sounds from stock footage is easier.