Why don't I see more interior sliding doors? Seems like an excellent way to mix open concept floor plans with privacy
Why don't I see more interior sliding doors?
Why don't I see more interior sliding doors? Seems like an excellent way to mix open concept floor plans with privacy
because they don't seal very well, and when built to high quality standards are expensive. I think what you are looking for is a pocket door.
Pocket doors, that's exactly it. Thanks!
Ok, but what about accordion/folding doors?
Usually very shitty quality and take up space compared to a pocket door. Anything folding on a track is a last resort imo.
Because they are a c**t and a half to keep clean. And not OCD level clean, just anything other than interior of a shop vac after a long day. If you have kids, things will get stuck inside them that you won't know about until it's way too late.
You lose an extra 4 feet of wall that can't be used for electrical, plumbing or heating. Theoretically you are gaining space where the door swings open but practically that is always open space.
Theoretically if you were building ground up couldn't you just get a thicker wall
No, dimensional lumber only comes in one size, 2x4
Huh, same size as my penis
>Theoretically you are gaining space where the door swings open but practically that is always open space.
That's not true at all, pocket doors are especially useful where two doorways are next to each other on adjoining walls and would interfere with each other.
They can definitely be a pain in the ass to maintain and deal with if they jump the track but when arranged properly they open up lots of space that would technically be "open space" but could never be anything *but* open space with swinging doors. This is especially true in areas with large appliances and built in cabinets and other fixtures that become useless when you swing a door open into them.
your house shouldn't have two doorways that bump into each other if it was made after the year 1900.
And pocket doors eliminate that possibility entirely.
You really suck at this.
if your house has doors that don't open into rooms it's not ada complaint, jackass, building codes don't allow it anymore
Personal residences don’t have to be ADA compliant.
>if your house has doors that don't open into rooms it's not ada complaint, jackass, building codes don't allow it anymore
ADA allows for sliders.
>Personal residences don’t have to be ADA compliant.
There was one municipality -- and unfortunately I can't remember which -- that I had a project in years ago that did require that the first floor of any new or significantly improved residence meet ADA standards. They claimed it was because they wanted to make it so that new homes would be built with the aging demographic market in mind, but I think they did it partly as an anti-flipper measure because making any house ADA compliant usually cost far more than you'd make back on a flip.
>but I think they did it partly as an anti-flipper measure because making any house ADA compliant usually cost far more than you'd make back on a flip.
Oh man, it would.
>42” interior doors
You couldn’t do it without a tear down and rebuild.
>42” interior doors
ADA compliance only requires a clear opening width of 32" for doors.
>ADA compliance only requires a clear opening width of 32" for doors.
Most inside doors are going to be 28" to 30" in width, so you'd still have to do work on the doors that you aren't really going to get any return on. But where it really comes into play is where bathrooms are concerned, as almost all residential bathrooms do not meet accessibility requirements and kitchens & baths are the two most expensive rooms to work on.
>you'd still have to do work on the doors that you aren't really going to get any return on
Well yeah, of course. But widening all your interior doors by 4" isn't going to be a "tear down and rebuild" scenario in most cases.
>But widening all your interior doors by 4" isn't going to be a "tear down and rebuild" scenario in most cases.
Yeah, I'd agree it's not tear-down as in tear-down the building entirely, but if you take a look at your hall bath, how much space do you have to put in a wider door? And don't forget that it's not just the door opening itself that has to comply, but also the clear space. I have a smaller house built in the 1960's, but here's a quick list of I'd have to do:
>Bedrooms 1, 2, and 3: move (3) walls with outlets and switches 10" to 12" into the bedrooms' closets, which would also require reworking the closets themselves.
>Hall Bath: move wall +/-22" to provide 60" turning circle. This would chew into the dining area's space. Or I'd have to move the plumbing wall and chew into the utility room.
>Master Bath: move wall +/-16" to provide 60" turning circle. This would chew into the master bedroom's space. Or I'd have move the plumbing wall and chew into the kitchen.
And that's before we get into the horrors of the accessible shower & bath fixtures as well as the kitchen cabinetry requirements. Basically by the time someone would have done all that work, your flip value has been shot all to hell and rooms that were roomy are now a lot less so. Of course, having to do that much work is also one of the reasons why ADA doesn't usually apply to SFR.
>And don't forget that it's not just the door opening itself that has to comply, but also the clear space
True, practically speaking you'll need a 36" to guarantee a 32" pathway free from obstructions according to ADA rules, which also dictate the type of lock hardware handle you can use (no knobs) and how much effort is required to operate the door and latching mechanism.
It's been a while since I studied it but IIRC the measurement for clear opening assumes the door is at 90° to its closed position, not swung past that so the handle is out of the way, based on how a wheelchair passing through would open it...basically anything that would require even the slightest bit of extra effort or special procedures like pushing the door past 90° to avoid the handle is not accommodating enough.
>anti-flipper measure
clever
the libertarian in me wants to string them from a pole
but I appreciate cunning
Everywhere I've seen them implemented they've been terrible. You can't use them when privacy is a concern because they have to be mounted slightly away from the wall, leaving a gap when closed that you can look through, unless the door panel is like a foot wider than the opening on both sides.
Pocket doors are much better implementation of a no swing clearance door.
>if your house has doors that don't open into rooms it's not ada complaint
Residential homes are not required to be ADA compliant.
Why not just have tiny garage doors on rails?
>Why
Demand: no one is clamoring for them so no one is making them (we have a whole two models! each $400 kthanx)
Maintenance: homeowners generally don't know how to keep them in order (track is where I bet on horses! what is grease? it ate my shoe!)
Installation: your architect (light switch goes on other side? but wires and pipes and insulation!) straight through your hammer monkey (what you mean special stud for these two? how I Iintil that long? does it really have to be *perfectly* level whine?) doesn't know how to put them into the house in a place which isn't a closet (wherein they're just on rails flush to the useless facing wall)
Because they function more like heavy duty curtains than doors.
expensive, don't seal well, don't lock well. for normal sized houses they are a pain in the dick. for big fancy houses they can be a cool and practical way to break up larger spaces
What problem are we trying to solve exactly?
Swinging doors require clear space to swing into when open that affects usable floor space, bypass, bi- fold and accordion doors take up space in the door opening.
Pocket doors allow 100% of the open area to be open and allow things like furniture, cabinets, windows, etc. to be placed right up to the opening without concern for interference or a doorknob swinging into glass.
They can also improve traffic flow, especially in narrow spaces where an open door blocks the passage of people not using it.
swinging doors are shitty and gay
>are shitty
They aren't
>and gay
And that's good thing.
>muh interior design
have a nice day gaylord