Why don't humans have energy weapons yet? I bet the whole galaxy is laughing at us.
Why don't humans have energy weapons yet? I bet the whole galaxy is laughing at us.
Why don't humans have energy weapons yet? I bet the whole galaxy is laughing at us.
I think that episode where they compare the performance of the P90 against that staff and find out the P90 blows that broom out of the fricking water in every aspect.
Maybe you're just moronic.
The staff eats through solid metal
So if your most common opponent is wearing an armor that covers the entire body, that is like an inch of solid steel on every surface, then the staff is a good choice.
and 5.7 pierces most common body armor
homie have you ever seen a staff wound
a p90 is easier to carry and more convenient to aim
>staff wound
>shooting a live target in the chest in the middle of a lab where people are currently working to test armor's efficacy
why is Hollywood like this?
>he doesn't get invited to Friendly Fire Night
sorry to hear that anon
Because it's so much fun anon, get it?
No. I've never had fun.
>2, maybe 3 mm thick piece of metal "stops the blast from penetrating but heats the metal and burns you"
>Average steel bullet proof plate is 6 or 7mm
>You could just coat the plate with a half inch of vulcanized rubber and nothing that the plate could stop would be able to burn the wearer through it
>Invent polymer that can mostly stop the staff blast at the thickness of construction paper
>Never once think "Hey if I made this two or three or ten times as thick, I'd be completely invincible"
It's a lab grown prototype unlikely to hit mass production (because no one else is running up against energy weapons). 1 sheet might represent many toilet seats worth of black budget.
There isnt a 5.7 round on the planet that pierces level IV body armor, which is the most common body armor actually used in combat.
In fact, even the most unobtanium AP 5.7 rounds under perform against hard armor. 4.6 AP penetrates more steel or titanium than 5.7 AP.
5.7 shoots clean through anything the aliens can field
human tech is just too advanced
I’m not wearing any metal
I’d wear mirror armor
>sgc has prototype kull armor that makes energy weapons all but useless.
>have had dozens of chances at capturing an intact sarcophagus for extreme emergencies.
the way they killed her off was such a moronic cop out. should have let her get naquadah cancer or something instead of getting love tapped by random staff weapon fire
..still made me cry like a b***h.
What season?
the only moronic people here are science fiction writers. as a writer myself i'd be fricking embarrassed writing about space travel and yet the best(at anything) weapon we can use shoots fricking simple ass bullets? right.
i have zero knowledge of stargate though, so maybe there's some explanation, but i'm sure it's about as dumb as the concept itself.
The Staff weapon was designed as a terror weapon that never needs reloading or maintaining. The shots hit hard but the rate of fire is slow and there's no sights. It's a weapon given by tin pot alien dictators to the slightly better off slaves to keep the rest of the slaves in line.
Stargate's story is basically that the US military discovers a wormhole network that lets them
travel all over the galaxy. Problem is there are evil alien parasites with super advanced tech that want to enslave us. From there Stargate Command’s (SGC) mission quickly becomes to find allies/tech that can help us fight off said evil aliens.
Early on the alien tech Earth has access to is basically what they can scavenge with some basic reverse engineering of the power sources/materials but as the series progresses more and more tech is integrated into Earth's arsenal. At the end of the series Earth has some legitimately heavy weight weapon systems like the "Daedalus" Battlecruiser which can go toe to toe with pretty much anything in the galaxy.
It is actually done surprisingly well, all the tech they get (bar some of the later bullshit) feels earned and actually somewhat realistic. A ton of episodes are about recovering tech and even more about testing prototypes built from said tech. Like early on they escape from a mothership in 2 "Gliders" (basically the alien's fighter jets) which come back later on fully overhauled with earth equipment integrated in (Missiles/electronics etc.). These have issues so they go back to the drawing board and later on they develop a proper space superiority fighter built from the lessons learned.
On the ground level however they tend to use mainly human weapons because A. they work well against everything not shielded and B. A lot of the alien tech is more ceremonial in nature and is designed to frighten/intimidate human slaves rather than you know kill shit like our weapons.
hit.
Docs butchered that post christ sorry
Because a fast piece of metal will kill most man-sized organic life. The most important part is that you hit what you're shooting at and can do it as much as needed. Alien weapons sucked in SG-1 specifically because, while they could kill, they couldn't hit shit and were slow as frick to fire. The P90 did work because it killed the bad guys quickly and efficiently, where the staff was more like an elevated roman candle.
>i have zero knowledge of stargate though
Grim.
Where can I get the p90 ammo that can saw two foot logs in half in a couple seconds?
From Uncle Sam’s off-books armory
You tax dollars at work!
That shits gay because humans should've just cut the thing down, add a stock, sights, and a sling and you have 40mm grenade power that can rapidly fire with little to no logistics to keep it shooting. Like in halo why the frick doesn't the unsc play with plasma pistols to have a gun that launches an overcharged shot on a single trigger pull without pre charging and issue it to every dick going up against elites, jackals, brutes, vehicles, and even hunters for stunning them. Or in starcraft where they could just rip protoss shielding off of corpses and slap it on marine power armor. Even if you make crude oversized shit it wouldn't matter because the power armor could lift it. Only quake 2 and 4 did shit like this where the nail guns and plasma rifles are basically humanized strogg equipment from the initial invasion of earth.
>should've just cut the thing down
Maybe the length is somehow necessary for the device to function?
I love that scene
The reason they are laughing at us is more likely to be "lmao these morons are still fighting each other"
And the answer to your question is lack of an efficient energy source that doesn't burden down and endanger the soldier
Piece of metal fly fast destroy object when hit. Laser have less ugga per dugga space gay.
Oh yeah well why then do even Earthlings prefer superior alien tech then? Hmm?
I don't into stargate, but isn't that the stun pistol?
the one handheld energy weapon worth a damn, unlike the moronic staffs?
Two shots kill, three disintegrate
yeah, thats the one I was thinking of.
I remembered people arguing that it was far better than the staffs and in intelligent hands would see much more widespread use.
>three disintegrate
That was retconned pretty fast though
>The "Three shot combo" from the Zat has a thousand times the energy of a Staff gun
>A Zat is 1/10th the size of the staff gun
Two questions:
1. Why would you give your Jaffa a sidearm 1000 times stronger than their rifle, which they use only for stunning slaves? Did Anubis make it as a joke and not tell anyone that it's power goes up by five orders of magnitude when you click the button three times?
2. Even if the Jaffa are too stupid, what was stopping the humans from just duct taping three of them to the end of a 2x4 and vaporizing everyone they came up against in a hail of automatic plasma fire?
>1. Why would you give your Jaffa a sidearm 1000 times stronger than their rifle, which they use only for stunning slaves? Did Anubis make it as a joke and not tell anyone that it's power goes up by five orders of magnitude when you click the button three times?
Go'auld are smart enough to realize that any war of significance will be fought in space and as such, all the ground weapons suck fricking dick because they were both afraid of a slave rebellion and didn't need more to keep slaves in line. The Zat was only developed because SGC finally made ground combat an important consideration by virtue of the Asguard keeping them from glassing Earth.
>2. Even if the Jaffa are too stupid, what was stopping the humans from just duct taping three of them to the end of a 2x4 and vaporizing everyone they came up against in a hail of automatic plasma fire?
The Zat has shit range iirc. If you were gonna nig rig something together, you'd be better up setting up a gattling gun with staves and a real sight system.
If I were going to make an improvised weapon I'd take two ma'toks and tie them together then run through the enemy positions while firing to my left and right continually.
>Go'auld are smart enough to realize
Why do Jaffa KEEP USING THE STAFF then when they are ISSUED ZATS.
It's like they've got pre matclock firearms and someone handed them all sub machine guns and they just choose not to use them, but still carry them everywhere.
>The Zat has shit range iirc
They have the same range for the whole show: shitty.
>Gatling gun with staves
Anon I wasn't exaggerating with those figures. The staff is LITERALLY 1000 times weaker while being ten times the size. No amount of linking them together would overcome that difference.
>Why do Jaffa KEEP USING THE STAFF then when they are ISSUED ZATS.
Familiarity, perceived tactical advantage real or imagined, expectation of going into melee, outdated training. My honestly believe it's because only the special effects budget limited the destructive capability of the ma'tok, and that while it goes "pew" those staves are actually blasting holes in the set and gibbing anything it hits, in which case damn straight I'd rather use a ma'tok than a zat.
>The staff is LITERALLY 1000 times weaker while being ten times the size. No amount of linking them together would overcome that difference.
Do you forget your history so quickly, Jaffa? Pic related.
>Familiarity, perceived tactical advantage real or imagined, expectation of going into melee, outdated training.
So complete loony toons moronation.
Fine if the setting wants all the bad guys to have an IQ of 50 so that the main characters look "cool", that's one problem, but a very different one is why the humans who are all about "muh rnd" never thought to apply the handheld nuclear bomb snake gun in a way more creative than the Jaffa.
>My honestly believe it's because only the special effects budget limited the destructive capability of the ma'tok, and that while it goes "pew" those staves are actually blasting holes in the set and gibbing anything it hits, in which case damn straight I'd rather use a ma'tok than a zat.
It's tiresome when people try to substitute Doyle for Watson.
Pretty sure you never see Zats used outside of like 10m range, while staves clearly don't have that problem given all the times it's used from a treeline to chase SG1 while they're running away. There's shitty range and then there's tazer-levels of shitty range. As to why Zats aren't the go to on a ship, as seen during the numerous SG1 boarding actions, that's a harder sell from a tactical point of view, but conversely that's where a slave rebellion would be even more of a problem so.
You do see SG1 using Zats in their standard equipment for a while, but they disappear around the same time they do from the rest of the show, so if you're unable to accept "writers made a mistake and realized it", Anubis was using some special material or factory on a random world he lost access to and SG1 never got briefed on it on screen because who cares.
IIRC I think Tealc used a staff weapon to shoot down a glider. I don't see a Zat doing that
Teal'c used a staff cannon off a glider to shoot down an Al'Kesh. Jack used a grenade launcher to shoot down a glider.
Ok I don't remember that scene, but I do remember because I've been watching it recently, he went ahead of the rest of SG1 and hid while a couple of gliders flew over him, and he shot one with a long weapon, pretty sure it was a staff weapon
That scene really triggers my intro sequence PTSD, it's plastered to my memory alongside the pyramid blowing up from top to bottom
Based
The zat was always moronic. How long between shots to activate these differences? It's clearly not the gun itself becoming stronger with each trigger pull because we see it being used to stun multiple people at a time. Which means the energy of the weapon somehow magically gets more powerful with multiple hits received. And somehow the disintegration knows to only disintegrate exactly what is intended, nothing more.
This was retconned and the writers admitted it was absolutely a huge mistake. It was intended as a plot device but quickly became apparent that it made no sense and was completely op
name a better conceal carry piece than the Zat
This shit is almost as gay as GATE: thus the JSDF fought there!
>energy weapons
m8 we haven't even moved to caseless/powderless
Where are my fricking railguns?
>Pilot Ma'Tok
>Energy grenade launcher
>5 inch penetration through solid rock
>O'Neill has the gnarliest kill in the series when he shoots it point blank at a random LARPer who has a hole blown clean through him
>Rest of the show Ma'Tok
>Pew
>Pew pew
>Puffs of smoke
>Burn marks on cotton clothing
>Has no effect on structures
Liquid naquadah supplies running low is a valid reason to not use an energy weapon, when clearly there was an issue providing fully charged cells to all the warriors.
It probably has an intensity setting
I set the phaser from pew to "gnarly overkill". Sadly, I am pretty sure it doesn't. I am pretty sure we get two close-ups of the firing mechanism (a button) over the course of the show, and also a mention of the internal power cell having the possibility of being overcharged. Memory's not perfect though. The lack of explosions is clearly a budget issue, but I'm guessing also a storytelling issue, because if each shot made you look like a drone drop montage then our valiant heroes would be dead on average once every season.
the pilot also had full frontal nudity which was notably absent from the rest of the series. They toned down the intensity across the board.
They actually mentioned SG teams started wearing special armor.
>energy weapons
Actually every weapon uses energy to shoot. You probably don't know what energy is.
S-shut up
BBbut aren't powder also another form of stored energy?
dont make me tap the sign
transferring that energy without loss in a linear fashion is a problem, accurately channeling it to the target is kind of hard
>Why don't humans have energy weapons yet?
we don't have any stable energy storage solutions for that size and density
The battery, capacitors, and radiators that would be needed to make a handheld coil gun shoot projectiles with the same velocity as firearms without overheating, would be the size of a refrigerator. The technology isn't there yet. We need room-temperature superconductors and potassium-ion batteries to come out first before we can start mass-production. They would be too big with current technology
Well invent that shit, what's taking so long.
Does the universe allow it? Yes. So find a way to do it.
It requires an extremely specifically shaped compound that doesn't warp. Even if they find a way to reliably make the material it will have the same issue graphene has, mass production. We are at least 5-6 years off
There is a railgun on the market, its shit but it does work.
Moot point; railguns are still kinetic weapons. Come back when you're throwing proton streams at a target.
>proton
Technically all guns throw protons at a target.
Kinetic energy is still energy. Checkmate, m8.
Chemical propellant is a form of energy and one of the more dense means of energy storage we have on our current technological level. Rockets, cars, guns.
The lasers just aren't ready yet.
ADAM was a 10kw laser btw. Currently Lockheed was awarded contracts to build 500kw lasers, which is a massive upgrade in operational ability.
They could put in on the Gerald Ford, it’s nuclear engine can absolutely handle it. With both AEGIS and lasers defending the fleet, it will be more difficult to strike carriers.
Anon, the universe is dead
GOOLD?
I envision a new type of weapons in the future, but neither energy and powder.
A 3D printed recipient, from some cutting edge tech material and AI design interior structure, that can hold extreme high pressure of air or gas. That will be used as the source of motion force for the bullet.
The bullets will be made from artificial diamonds.
basically, airguns.
so you want logic answers in a energy weapons thread with and image from SF movies
airguns are quite capable already
capable sure. but you can't beat physics.
even if the air compressed so far as to be solid AND you magic'd in the thermal energy required to expand sufficiently without it just being a little cold pebble slowly boiling, you still don't get as much energy as basically any modern explosive.
We do have. We just use the energy from chemical explosives to accelerate solid projectiles.
same reason your bog standard car battery weighs a ton and is essentially a large, heavy brick. For all the power human monkey generates there is laughably little in ways to storage large quantities of energy effectively. For example so that you can shitpost right now on PrepHole a turbine has to spin someplace somewhere 24/7
We do sadly, look at whats on military boats, aircraft, vehicles. There is even an entire NSA neural network around the US that can read minds, change personality, get you to murder or suicide. Think about how many man created waves are in the air, we are being controlled and imprisoned by our government and corporations that have access to a covert electronic torture network country wide.
They're probably laughing at us for thinking energy weapons are better than kinetic weapons.
Because KE just works
Energy is equivalent to mass.
The Asgard would never invent a weapon that propels small links of iron and carbon alloys by igniting a powder of potassium nitrate, charcoal, and sulfur.
there's hundred's of millions of guns in use already that work by converting chemical energy to kinetic energy
>Why don't humans have energy weapons yet?
Kinetic energy is still energy
What makes you think the tauri don't? You just get banned and told to go to /x/ about it if you mention it too much. I think your question should probably be phrased differently, why don't consumers like better technological developments like electronic ignition of primers.
we do. you can get like a 95w laser diode on ebay for like 200 bucks. old image
this is it running at less than 1/4th power with no focus.
image didn't attach
>using zappy guns
>not liking dakka
>compact
>energy dense
>dirt cheap
>amazing heat venting
>durable
>easy to store
single use chemical energy cartridges for rifled mass drivers are so good nothing else can compete
>Black personhomosexual doesn't know what chemical and kinetic energy is
CREWs a shit
Relativistic Kinetic superior.
Kinetics are just better.
I love sg threads
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