Why doesn’t the UK put a lot of stock in the humble tank? Are they basically admitting the tank as a concept is obsolete?
https://www.thedefensepost.com/2023/03/10/british-army-challenger-tanks/
Why doesnt the UK put a lot of stock in the humble tank?
theyre broke
3rd biggest military budget, biggest in Europe and 6th biggest economy in the he world. Broke my ass.
Unfortunately, our economy has been increasingly becoming moronic, as our norman conquerer elites slowly become more and more inbred and start to privatise the oxygen supply and just dump our money directly into the ocean
This. Plus the MoD would rather make ships and missles. Germany, Poland, and France can foot the tank bill for Europe.
UK defence has been saying for a few years that they think the tank is a 'sunset capability' - meaning in a decade or two they will no longer be useful. If that is the case then why put significant investment in more tanks when you can put the money into AI, drones, subs & aircraft instead.
They have the largest defence budget in Europe and one of the largest in the world - significantly larger than Russia amusingly. If tanks were considered a true priority money could be found.
Because their geopolitical situation does not benefit from a large armored force.
This. As for national defence, the whole idea is to sink whoever tries to invade long before they set foot, and as for expiditionary warfare far away that tends to be done by lighter more easily transported forces. The only resonable mission for brit tankers is to be deployed in eastern europe as part of a NATO defence/deterence unit against Russia, but given that Russia has proven to be absolute dogshit and cant even take Ukraine, the rest of europe can handle that buisness alone with no issues.
But what about force projection?
force projection? have you seen the price of a meal deal mate?
The only force projection you need is in your colon, for when you gotta drop the meanest grumpy
Against who? If the UK ever goes to war against an outside threat then it won't be doing so alone.
>160 tanks combat ready out of 213 in service
Thats not bad?
>s combat ready out of 213 in service
>Thats not bad?
nearly 80% readiness rate on tanks is better than most countries
The readiness rate isn’t in question. The number of tanks is
>France 200ish leclerc
>Germany 300ish leopard
>Uk 200ish challenger
Its almost asif thats the norm
200-ish tanks out of literal thousands in 1990s is really bad.
For context, in the falklands the UK was already seen as a declining power and yet they were much more powerful than today
157 is more than enough to shoot at mud huts from 3 miles away whenever the US drags them along into a war
because they can't afford them
I don’t think tanks are obsolete. In my opinion the UK realized the challenger 2 was inferior to other western tanks so they downsized. I believe the challenger 3 will use existing challenger 2 hulls so they won’t be buying many chally 3s either
There isn't anything about the challenger which puts it at a disadvantage compared to other western tanks. Excepting possibly the gun - although that is fine considering who it would be fighting against.
The rifled barrel, slow speed, and the fact that the ammo is stored inside the hull with the crew.
The speed isn’t an issue. We don’t know how the challenger performs in conventional combat as it’s only ever met t-55s and the like, but it’s still an ok tank
Have you been there recently? It's basically a third world country at this point.
Post passport
third world countries buy hundreds of rusted out t55s to parade around instead
Triggering Brits is never not funny. No one else is more angry than them.
>I triggered them
>i triggered and triggered and triggered
>But still i am a poo
Do you use the loo, poo?
LMAO, I don't care. I live in Poland and it's just funny seeing my mates abandoning the ship of the so called "Great" Britain and returning there. Even the pay isn't that good anymore. Mind you, this would be unbelievable 20 years ago. And accusing someone mocking Britain of being a poo is ridiculous since your country is already a Paki colony. Get your shit right morons then maybe nobody will laugh.
You live in florida. You aren’t fooling anyone
>just funny seeing my mates abandoning the ship of the so called "Great" Britain and returning there.
>and returning there.
Did you redeem return ticket sirs?
here*
Remind me please, who is in charge of your government currently? Sir?
King Charles
Yeah bow to your king and blow his royal hard-on. Nothing better than having rich old money owning your entire country.
NO FRICK YOU BLOODY!
bloody bastard britishers!?
GOOD MORNING SIR
Anon likes posting on this board, because when he fricks up his VPN, he doesn't get embarrassed when the flag changes to the wrong country.
Of course, if they were telling the truth, they should have absolutely no trouble producing a time-stamped image with a jar of mayonnaise, freshly cooked pierogi and that delicious red currant jam they make over there.
>No one else is more angry than them.
>He said, as he made his 50th post in his 10th thread about them today.
>67 posts
>37 posters
The ratios being so out of whack is a clear sign of warriortard posting, and bear in mind he posts from multiple devices.
Pretty soon he'll start accusing everyone else of being armatard and the thread will eventually devolve into him replying to himself a dozen times to try and rekindle it.
What a genuinely pathetic existence. Genuinely pathetic.
They're admitting to being an island nation whose only realistic use for tanks is to steamroll shitholes around the world. For that 150 is more than enough.
>Warriortard thread #86738
We're an island. simple as
This is not the far sailing, expeditionary spirit of an angloid. We mutts already crossed your channel for you.
>Specifically, the Bundeswehr's ninth tank brigade in Münster only has nine operational Leopard 2 tanks — even though it promised to have 44 ready for the VJTF — and only three of the promised 14 Marder armored infantry vehicles.
Heh could be worse
Is this the tank that survived 70 ATGM strikes in iraq
As an island, if a peer or near-peer enemy makes it to our shores then we've already lost in the conventional sense. If the situation ever calls for a massed tank force then the situation is already unsalvageable and better served by localised guerilla warfare. As long as we keep enough to form part of a small expeditionary force that can be deployed worldwide at our discretion.
>bongs
>localized guerillas
Someone post the bicycle tire or electricians toolkit
That's what the territorial army is for. Also I wouldn't put it passed the local council estate crackheads to stab a few foreign invaders if you tell them Private Petrov called their nan a slag.
this, all it takes is one wrong look and they start stabbing, i live in a village full of them
Our government would rather spend the money housing sub saharans than on anything useful
Tanks can’t arrest people for tweets
Pretty sure the UK's defense plan is basically a note that reads "Call the US."
They're an island
Investments make the most sense for navy and air force, least sense for mechanized infantry and heavy armor
This kind of explains the warrior and its shortcomings.
>explains the warrior
There he is!! Awww why dont you make the threads anymore? Fed up of the bans?
I didn’t make those threads
Ok warriortard, post hands
>~~*post hands*~~
is this what groomers do on discord?
is this some kind of groomer 'tell'
Buttmad thirdie detected. The challenger has so much fricking rizz that any turdworlder seethes when they see it
>Buttmad thirdie detected
Correct, also poor. Warriortard is a very strange character.
This has to be cap. There’s no way we would have less than 200 operational tanks
When your BFF is the USA, you can afford to shirk part of your military ecosystem as long as you keep institutional knowledge moving forward. There's no situation where the UK is desperately in need of tanks they cannot be furnished with.
Thanks this answer is acceptable. It serves to make the US look incredibly powerful and belittle the UK. Excellent work anon
Not at all. The UK does very well with their smaller footprint. They punch far above their weight. Something you had best hope your brown self never has to find out personally. 🙂
>Why doesn’t the UK put a lot of stock in the humble tank?
Its an island.
>Its an island.
Samegay also tanks don't float or fly
why would the UK, and Island country with zero hostile neighbors for 1500 miles need thousands of tanks right now?
defence
against what, Godzilla?
against the United States
From what?
Because they want relevance on the world stage. From all the answers I’m getting it looks like they are content without force projection
Warriortard your thread has failed yet again. Try again tomorrow?
This thread is a resounding success. People are now educated to the fact that the challenger series has never faced t-72s
Yeah
British doctrine switched from tanks to attack choppers over a decade ago.
The UK army's entire ground vehicle fleet is all wearing out at the same time because they've put off updating it for decades. Since they're an island nation the replacement budget is tiny too.
Why do we, a small nation with a small military loom so large in Russian and /k/ schizo minds? How have we come to occupy so much mental real estate that there's literally daily threads about us?
The British Empire was no better than the USSR. The good news is the UK is still not a bunch of primitive murder rape looters like the Russians.
I dunno, it really seems like the Brits left every place better off than they found it. Russia kinda looks the opposite. Central Asia before Russia was a highly civilised place.
>I dunno, it really seems like the Brits left every place better off than they found it.
The c**tier Russians think the same thing about their occupations and mass murders and famines and like to lie to children in classrooms about their evil empire as well. The UK grew up and stopped being evil. Russia still is.
>The c**tier Russians think the same thing about their occupations and mass murders and famines and like to lie to children in classrooms about their evil empire as well.
I get that, but in the UK's case it's actually true. You want to look up how savage Indian rulers could be. There's a lot of evidence to suggest that a lot of Indians preferred British rule to the maharajahs.
Millions died in famines that the British empire administered that singularly killed non British colonists. Exactly like the Holodomor in Ukraine, mass murder and use of famine to eliminate populations and clear them for land seizure. There was nothing good about the British empire. It left mass graves, torture centres and hatred behind it. Just like the USSR it was about stealing and murder and land theft and a corrupt grasping amoral oligarchy that cared very little about anyone who was not in their clique including the indigenous British population. It was an anti democratic abomination and a gigantic despised engine of murder and theft. The British have moved on and are something else now and generally forgiven(although there are elements that hate them unsurprisingly in where occupation is a living memory). Russia has not changed one bit from its abomination of the USSR and Putin is all about brining it back.
BUT DID YOU REDEEM?
To be fair, that was mostly due to us fricking up logistics trying to feed a third of the entire world with Victorian-era technology and during the biggest war in human history.
We never went out of the way to cause famines, it just sought of happened by sheer accident; unlike with the Russians who used it as a weapon in the Russification campaigns.
No it was acts of deliberate genocide. Its kind of sick you are taught differently but maybe its too soon for you lot to actually hold a mirror up to what the monarchy there is and was and what happened under the empire. It was simply about stealing land and resources and killing the populations that got in the way and its a bit pathetic that elements in Britain still need to lie to themselves about it when they themselves were viewed as little better than slum dwelling moronic vermin as well by the oligarchy that ran the empire. I'm not going to sit here and hold hold a sobbing daily mail reader about the empire. Its gone. It is not coming back. It was a hated institution that stole and murdered more people than the Nazis or Stalin and sits in the same league of evil and it was simply an empire of theft and murder.
>We never went out of the way to cause famines
Who's this 'we' you were not even born when the British empire was on the go or actual contributed to it in any way. Just as well or somebody would probably want to kill you. Take a look at how popular the Russians imperial ambitions and the USSR have made them and be grateful better men than you renounced the empire when they could for the monstrosity it was.
>No it was acts of deliberate genocide.
Shut the frick up, Ivan.
Turd, word for word
why are you moronic?
>Millions died in famines that the British empire administered that singularly killed non British colonists.
Yeah I've actually studied that. The problem was a combination of Indian landlords grabbing land and turfing out subsistence farmers, virtually zero investment in better agricultral technology and rich Indian merchants held contracts for grain and they were determined to meet those contracts, to the detriment of their own people. The entire famine was precipitated by Indian civil servants being corrupt and incompetent. It's not a popular thing to bring up in leftist dominated academia these days, so you don't hear much about it though.
When the British administration became aware of the scale of the problem, Mountbatten put a stop to it.
There is zero equivalence between the USSR and the British Empire.
What about the Irish famines and land clearances, the Scottish land clearances, the mass culls of aboriginals for cattle and the New Zealand land wars? I've better things to do than sit here and discuss the vast evil that was the British Empire. Just make note of how despised the Russians are for exactly the same behaviour and stop trying mutter insipid excuses for those that ran it or profited from it. No one who reads the history of the British Empire in any detail is left with anything other than a feeling of repugnance for it and its commercial and state branches. The awful residue of its oligarchy are still a curse to the UK and its land ownership but that's for British people to realise and deal with themselves. The UK grew up and got wise. Russia is still a nation of invasion murder looting rape torture and theft like the British Empire was in its day.
>What about the Irish famines and land clearances, the Scottish land clearances
Precipitated by IRISH landlords and HIGHLANDER chiefs profiting off the misery of their own people. By god the British Empire was a useful scapegoat for the hairy eared little grabbers of history taking advantage of the people they were supposed to be leading, wasn't it?
The Scottish land clearance were conducted by other Scots.
They also happened in England, where they were conducted by the English.
Bullshit. India did third world things and are now blaming it on the bongey man.
>There was nothing good about the British empire
>Creates most successfull countries in the world
>US Australia Canada NZ
>out of the top 10 world gdp rankings 4 are spawn of the empire
>Industrial revolution
>Basic human rights
>Protects and policed world trade routes
Dude im not British but you are 100% a seething third worlder
Except I'm not. People like you need to open some books. There is zero difference between the USSR and the British Empire, including the mass settlement of Russian minorities in occupied states, looting, murder, corrupt oligarchy, torture, secret police and weaponization of famine. Even gangster private armies.
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
The British Empire is gone. No one wants it back. Why don't you ask the USA if they would like to be your colony again as see how they react?
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Seems like the dotheads are pretty stirred up, bro.
If the most effective enemies of the British Empire were Indians, it would probably still exist. It does not. Everything that is repugnant about the Russians today was fully manifested in the British Empire, from the fake state religion to the mass murder.
Sounds like someone's ancestors weren't very good at war.
You sound exactly like a buttblasted pajeet or African
This is an Anglo world, you're just living in it (and speaking english right now)
>I dunno, it really seems like the Brits left every place better off than they found it.
it's better to be in control of your country and cultural identity than it is to live amongst the crumbling ruins of some foreign hotels.
>amongst the crumbling ruins of some foreign hotels.
Hey, not my problem you let it all go to shit. Fyi you sit INSIDE train carts not on top just like you poo INSIDE the loo not on the floor.
SENT FROM MY MESSENGER PIGEON: GHANDI 2.0
have you ever seen a fricking indian use the word "amongst"?
>Seen
No, i have read and heard though you dumb frick. Back to esl studies, now!
>No, i have read and heard though you dumb frick
how could you have read what an indian has written if you have never seen them write it? I think you're the one in need of a syntax lesson, dumbass. go get a job and a girlfriend and spend less time arguing on the web
India got lucky by being part of the Commonwealth in that (at least) some of them have learned English (capital letter required).
>Empire bad
>Hurt my people
Sorry turdie
>Are they basically admitting the tank as a concept is obsolete?
Yes. That was the thinking of the MoD, Army (outside of the cavalry of course) industry since the mid-1990s. Gaslighting from the Americans is the only thing that stopped the Army ditching tanks altogether in the 2000s like the Dutch and Belgians. Regardless, the attitude that Challenger 2 would be Britain's last tank persisted and we were simply going to let it dwindle in to obsolescence because they were never going to have to fight anything better than a shitty T-72 or T-80, until Armata showed up
>until Armata showed up
Then we learned just how much the Russian military had imploded over 20-30 years and suddenly it makes sense.
Tanks are just a big target these days anyways and are bound to get fricked over. A smart military invests heavily in artillery systems, drones, and anti-air capabilities instead these days as well as electronic warfare.
The UK doesn’t have a large artillery corps either. One of the worst in Europe actually
It's because we're an island. Tank brigades are only really useful on the continent with regards to the defence of Great Britain. So more of a NATO commitment really.
Tanks are expensive and they don't need them. Plus they've indicated they don't think tanks are going to be around too much longer.
Truth is the UK is a poor shithole of an island who forgot when they left the EU that they had no empire left. Their entire economy is run on real estate or financial services aka smoke and mirrors.
Case in point they almost blew up their pension system because the pension funds were speculating on treasuries instead of just buying them, and only saved it by blowing up their currency.
UK is dead militarily because it is settling into what it actually is, a sad shadow of its former self, a dumpy rainy island at the edge of Europe.
You seem upset. You also seem to forget, they have a very special relationship with a certain someone.
French hands dripping with garlic and the slime from frog's legs typed this. We could take you with one hand tied behind our backs Pierre.
>warriortard still going strong
We live on an island anon and are a nuclear power, we don't require and have never had significant land forces outside the period of the BIA.