Why doesn't Russia just bomb the absolute shit out Ukraine? Destroy their factories, Drop bombs on their factories, highways, napalm their farms and of course some on their capital buildings
Why doesn't Russia just bomb the absolute shit out Ukraine?
Mein monke... Russia doesn't have air superiority...
found the glow Black person
Of course, truly everyone who thinks Russia doesn't have air superiority in a country where Russia doesn't have air superiority must work for the CIA. You figured us all out.
Ah, dang it, how did you find me?
do it now
What do you think all these missile strikes on
>civilian targets
are for?
this op
The restaurant in Kramatorsk?
They produced missiles in the basement at night.
Restaurants aren't the ones producing food
Please elucidate the advantages of using a restaurant basement to produce weaponry
I’m not saying you’re a lying vatnig pajeet, but I am saying you probably don’t have drinkable tap water
NTA, but he was clearly being facetious.
>fly bear (or any other plane for that matter) over the Ukrainian border
>it gets shot down by air defence
all they can do is lob shit into ukrainian cities from their own airspace
answer: they tried and found out they can't
once you accept this a lot of things about this war, Russia and how blessed you are to live in the civilized world will fall into place
why dont you just kys already /misc/troon tankie? Your gods have failed and changs are next in the buck breaking line
Other have already said why they can't. But what does Ukraine really need factories for? They have access to almost the entire first world's industrial base.
Stop being a homosexual. He just asked a question.
>But what does Ukraine really need factories for? I mean, everything. To turn gas and coal into electricity which obviously the entire country runs on, for food, for building supplies, for heating, for jobs, which keep the populace busy and able to feed their families, for anything related to metallurgy or made of multiple parts
Ukraine doesn't need anything it appears to have been a calculated decision
The same thing happened in ww2 with the USSR and lend lease
The west will supply the food
will supply the equipment, the weapons..
The only thing Ukraine will supply is more blood, for the blood god.
>the west will just feed 30 million people impoverished people in a war zone bro
More like 20 million now
But honestly it's not as bad as ussr.
They are still farming
Maybe I was overly edgy
I had a moment
The main facts still stand
Ukraine is providing soldiers and repairing military equipment
It shouldn't be controversial
>The only thing Ukraine will supply is more blood, for the blood god.
You guys are so incompetent that cannot even post the correct pic for the "blood god". That fella has the mark of Slaanesh.
>The only thing Ukraine will supply is more blood, for the blood god.
>posts slaanesh
Fricking moron
>They have access to almost the entire first world's industrial base.
they are given crumbs. you see billions in weapons on the news, but that's actually not a lot.
It's impossible for me to stop being a homosexual, you fricking moron. I'M FRICKING GAY
Anon, not everyone is gay, but everyone's a homosexual.
Whenever I see so many buzzwords, I have a creeping suspicion that brown hands typed this post
Black person, shut the frick up. You will never be white. You will always look and stink of shit
Good morning sir!
Ukraine at the moment is probably in top 3 best defended countries on earth in terms of AA
And Russians want Ukraine to exist as a country after the conflict ends
>>
>Russians want Ukraine to exist as a country after the conflict ends
Really? Coulda fooled me
Well that was the intention a year and a half ago. Now i suspect they just want to erase it from existence.
The explicit public position of the Russian government is that Ukraine is not a real state.
The explicit public position of the Russian government changes every 3-6 months.
>why doesn't Russia do what they've been trying to do for the past year and a half
It's a mystery.
>They have access to almost the entire first world's industrial base.
lmao even
how to spot a vatBlack person in le neutral oberver disguise
Do you check under your bed for vatniks before you sleep?
only when I hear unsolicited whataboutism
Oh okay so you're a moron that uses terms that you don't understand.
This isn't WW2 anymore gramps.
Air defences are actually really fricking effective, and no country in the world has hundreds of bombers to throw at a single raid to saturate air defenses while also being okay with losing a few dozen of them. Vietnam was the last time we'll ever see massed bomber formations hitting defended targets, (desert storm doesn't count, that was different).
they lack the ability
You do realize what happens to strategic bombers in contested airspace defended by a functional SAM network, right?
kind of hard when you can't fly over Ukraine without getting shot down. There's a reason they're mainly lobbing missiles from deep inside their own territory and why CAS is limited and very conservative when it does happen
They tried to do it with Kyiv, but got bottled.
They kept constantly bombing north until Patriot incident.
The only place they managed to destroy completely is Mariupol, because it was too far from any AD and it was 20km from ruBlack person border. Also had ruBlack person aviabase across the sea.
mariupol was the center of greek culture in the area too, so they managed to secure enmity from not only ukraine but greece through their actions
>The only place they managed to destroy completely is Mariupol
Imagine what they'd do to the whole country if they could.
How many times did you make this same thread, OP?
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>Why doesn't Russia just bomb the absolute shit out Ukraine?
because you saw literally usa fighting mudslimes that their most modern aa was throwing rocks at ballistic trajectories to soldiers and you thought this is what air superiority looks alike
in reality when you go against a country with decent AA you will never be able to achieve AS
>in reality when Russia goes against a country with decent AA they will never be able to achieve AS
Ftfy. We achieve Air Superiority because we can into SEAD. Russia is just moronic.
>in reality when you go against a country with decent AA you will never be able to achieve AS
You do know something called SEAD exists?
no, russia just never learned how to SEAD. what you're doing now is ancient cope the soviets used
>uhh well if our air defense is good we can just stop them hehehehe
doesn't work that way anymore, not only are radar penetrating vehicles like f35 and b2 a thing now, there's plenty of ways to easily jam AA as well. then there's just the good ole' HARM which will either stop AA from doing it's job completely or destroy it outright.
I was hoping Ukraine would get F-16s sooner rather than later just so we could see what proper SEAD would look like in this conflict. Though the limited stocks they're gonna get probably won't be enough to go all in, and they're still going to have to deal with long range A2A stuff from inside Russia. We really should send them a few F-35s, just for shits and giggles.
The Mig-29 HARM arrangement works well due to the influx of satellite surveillance, radar detection equipment from the ground, and drones. They know the predetermined coordinates of the radar arrays, the HARM finishes them off.
There was an Air Force millblogger stating that HARMS are a constant threat and they have to constantly move their locations, interrupting coverage to avoid being hit, and they still lose some.
That’s the reason you see the US still supplies them in the latest aid packages. They are absolutely doing the job.
>Though the limited stocks they're gonna get probably won't be enough to go all in
LMFAO
Just this month Zelensky and the air force general admitted that the training for f16's hasn't even started and that there are no plans for starting it yet.
They tried and now the airforce is scared to go over Ukrainian airspace.
They want to conquer Ukraine. To first destroy Ukraine defeats the purpose of the entire operation.
>they want to conquer ukraine
not doing a good job at it lmao
when will you morons understand that what you're seeing is all that russia is capable of?
>when will you morons understand that what you're seeing is all that russia is capable of?
Because it's not? Nukes and chemical weapons haven't been used
they do not have those
yes, follow the logic, you're almost there...
Capabilities are meaningless if you can't bring them to bear. Russia has the capability to bomb a place but the math just isn't there. They lose much more than they gain by trying. Assuming that they even can do those things, since they constantly threaten to and spent all winter trying to do as much collateral damage as they possibly could, how could it be that they haven't used these things yet?
>Nukes and chemical weapons haven't been used
OK but then you have to deal with american nukes and chemical weapons and glowie black secret tech.
>My absolute dick when the CIA GMO viruses hit and result in complete and utter TZD while leaving all the civilized peoples of the world intact
>use nukes
>get hit with a massive retaliatory nuclear strike by NATO in response
>use chemical weapons
>NATO launches a full-scale military intervention at minimum or just launches a nuclear first strike as a precautionary measure
At that point, you might as well cut the intermediate steps and just toss every nuclear warhead you have at Washington DC, London, Paris, Brussels, and hope for the best.
Deterrence doesn't eliminate the existence of Russian nukes and therefore more powerful weapons than that have been used
How does being destroyed in a nuclear war help Russia win in Ukraine?
>Deterrence doesn't eliminate the existence of Russian nukes
No, but a First Strike will.
Russia would lose its legacy soviet strategic bomber force because they cant SEAD
They did try that once they found out Ukrainian AA was running low, but as we don't hear about Ukrainian AA any more I'm guessing it's no longer an issue. But Russia is not willing to bear the losses, probably because they don't have the number of pilots necessary to make it work.
Russia basically already is doing terror Bombing with Kh-22 anti-ship missiles and S-300 missiles launched Ballistically.
Both of these weapons have a 500m+ CEP used in this Ghetto way and are basically useless for hitting military targets as a result, even infrastructure targets are typically too small and dispersed.
The main purpose is forcing the civilian population to emigrate, either to the west of the country, or into the EU, increasing the costs of war on the Ukrainian state.
It also creates a potential dilemma for Ukrainian air defence, who has to decide whether to try and defend against these weapons that are costly to intercept and don't realistically threaten military targets.
>The main purpose is forcing the civilian population to emigrate, either to the west of the country, or into the EU, increasing the costs of war on the Ukrainian state.
LOL NO. Russia has offered Ukraine humanitarian corridors that only lead into Russia. Putin is trying to salvage Russia's dying population with an injection of Ukrainians. Putin has been desperately trying to get Russians to copulate
>Putin has been desperately trying to get Russians to cope
He's succeeding
>used covid to issue a temporary moratorium on divorce (rates are sky high in russia)
>plan to cut abortions in half
>tax breaks for families with more than 4 kids
>putin flat out asks russians to have 10 kids to save the country
>russia bombs corridors to the west, "offers" to create corridors that only lead Ukrainians into Russia
>by its own admission, 700,000 children have been transferred from Ukraine to Russia. Russia says they are protecting orphans. Russia is responsible for the conditions they are fleeing from. Was this part of the plan?
>>by its own admission, 700,000 children have been transferred from Ukraine to Russia.
Total Zigger Death cannot arrive swiftly enough
https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/child-abductions-reveal-the-genocidal-intent-behind-putins-ukraine-invasion/
>Ukrainians in liberated regions have recounted how they frequently had to hide children from Russian occupation forces. Numerous Ukrainian orphanages were forced to smuggle children out of occupied areas to prevent them from being seized and sent to Russia. Some of the victims of these Russian abductions have been orphans or children living in care. Others have been physically separated from their families and told they are no longer wanted. In some cases, Ukrainian parents claim to have been tricked or coerced into sending their children to Russia. The overall number of abducted children is not yet known. Current estimates indicate that well over ten thousand young Ukrainians have been abducted and sent to Russia. Many fear the real total figure may be far higher.
They might be looting orphanages so they can raise kids as Russians. This is fricked up if it's real
it is real and for some reason ziggers aren't even trying to hide it but rather boast about abducting the children
I think there is some truth to any given piece of news but... there has to be a better explanation right? They aren't just inflicting cartoonishly evil atrocities just because Ukrainians don't consider themselves Russian and refuse to be Belarus 2.0? This just has to be exaggerated, I refuse to believe it
Their demographics are FUBAR.
>that squeeze around the 20-24 range
oof
I dunno much about demographic stuff but that doesn't seem good
The 1990s were absolutely atrocious in Russia; no one was having kids for a solid decade. Thus it's phenomenal fricking timing to start a massive war right around the time the missing generation would be in their prime years for military service.
Good thing you can conscript vatniks of all ages, especially if they are easily accessible in prison.
Not to mention Putin killed over 100k fighting-age men in Ukraine. He wants Russians to reproduce so bad he's giving medals and $16k in cash to mothers with 10 children, whom all have to be alive by the way.
Those aren't bad. The biggest chunk is around the 30 to 40 age so russia still has plenty of time to spend. As others are pointing out he is already working on a solution. The squeeze at the 15-24 range is just that. A squeeze. It already recovered to a good width right beneath. If you want to feel true terror look at german demographics and realize that the amount of ethnic germans fleeing each other and the shitskin population isn't even reflected by it.
The chart belies the fact that their entire manufacturing and educational sectors collapsed into shit in the 90s so that 30/40 band are literally the last useful people they will ever produce
They can’t afford to send those guys to the front and the ones below have zero value besides being sent to the front to get meat cubed
They're trying to steal kids and make them good Russians because otherwise Russia collapses demographically. Hardliner imperialist Russians tend to think of everyone on their side of the Danube as lapsed Russians, so this is simply some deprogramming on their part. Of course those type of vatniks are liars and fricking pests who need to be eradicated, I am a moderate you see.
This is what civilization means.
This is the mentality of people who grew up and live in a place where absolutely no institutions can be trusted. Its a prison culture where might makes right and all everyone gains is at the expense of someone else.
If you see the world aroubd you like this, those who should make it better just use it to enrich themselves. Well then this is how it works everywhere and states operate on this same principle.
In this way, Russia must have a strong state, I must give up my right to choose for the benefit of the state, it must enforce its will through violence or else the will of others shall be imposed upon it.
Then, obviously every and all manner of evil is not only justified to visit on The Other, but necessary to prevent from being victimized.
Afterall, if we wont do it to them, they will do it to us. Its simply natural and the way things are.
You see now, then, why a Free Ukraine is such an incredible threat to the Regime.
>This is fricked up if it's real
The Russian Commissioner for Children's Rights literally bragged about it
Sometimes I wonder if posting this to demoralize the morons who still think Russia is the Soviet Union only gives them ideas.
>They might be looting orphanages so they can raise kids as Russians. This is fricked up if it's real
oh it's fricking real
Yea and none of that will save russia from becoming a muslim infested shithole.
Even if they managed to took over entire ukrainian population, the russian man would still die out within a century, due to demographics.
Plot twist the muslims are the only ones benefitting from Putin's natalist campaigns
Neonazi groups are marauding Belgorod, southern Ossetia and Karelia. The Karelia group with the 5 drones at the airport.
Arch vatnik Karlin literally said this was the reason for the war.
Course, he was also saying that Ukraine would surrender within hours of the invasion.
>Putin is trying to salvage Russia's dying population with an injection of Ukrainians
More like an injection of whatever he can get his hands on at this point. He's been on a frenzy defending multiculturalism and miscegenation lately so it seems quite certain he'll keep a good chunk of the immigrants since they're the only ones willing to go live in Russia.
VDV literally has African recruits in them now to try and bulk out the numbers. I do love the actual cope that /misc/ tries to go on about how 'this is totally based and saving the white race because...'. I mean if I was /misc/, I would argue that Russia is based and it is importing those people as a way of saving white western nations from having them instead and because Russia is so big it doesn't matter to that country.
I have been thinking about this of late, how long until Putin decides the trollfarm operators would become more useful as cannon fodders and their salaries better spent buying more weapons to the norks and chang.
Ukies had around 300 s300 launchers plus older buk and osa and even older systems perfectly capable of downing equally old and slow bombers in large quantities - so bombing runs would be epic but would end after few tries due to sudden lack of said bombers
>WHY DONT WE JUST [X]??
frick off
have a nice day
stupid fricking midwit
They have so many stingers and those bombers especially would be taken out easily by air defense. Prob even just MANPADS it would be sad... so they just lob shit in like everyone said.
Lately I've seen alot more guided bomb footage probably because Ukraine forces try to push into areas Russia knows it is safe...
My brother in Christ, this is the second year of the special military operation and Russia is on the defense and being pushed back.
Lmao look at Gerasimov's dumb fricking face. These guys' expressions just kill me.
You can tell he's making a Scooby Doo noise in his head
>Arrooo?!
Because they can't. Standoff munitions are expensive and accurate ones require sanctioned components they struggle to produce themselves. They don't have air superiority, let alone supremacy, so they can't just rain dumb bombs down on them. But even if they could, the production capacity would be better spent on artillery shells to hold the frontlines.
Furthermore, just bombing your enemies into submission has never really worked on its own, except maybe in the case of the Gulf War, where the overmatch was extreme at all levels. Terror bombing merely hardens the resolve of the people being bombed, and there's only so much useful infrastructure that you can actually find and reach, the rest will be hardened/buried/dispersed.
>Terror bombing merely hardens the resolve of the people being bombed
This. Bongoloids didn't give up despite Germany repeatedly bombing and tossing missiles at them. It sucked ass for them, but it didn't make them surrender at all.
It was the RAF who first started terror bombing german cities/non-military targets on the northern german coast thoughbeit
That was after the Germans set the precedent with Poland.
>It was the RAF who first started terror bombing german cities/non-military targets on the northern german coast thoughbeit
why do you feel the need to lie like a Black person? what causes this? is it the school system?
>Britain only started bombing German coastal cities in revenge for Germany destroying 80% of Rotterdam to scare the dutch into surrender
>Britain only attacked Berlin after bombs were dropped on London
>the firebombing of german cities were copied from tactics Germany used to firebomb Coventry in 1940
the german cries in pain as he strikes you
This is false. I'll explain what actually happened
>Rotterdam is levelled
>Britain is appauld but has shit to deal with
>Hitler says 'gotta invade UK bro they won't surrender bro'
>Goering says 'Fine I'll use the mighty Luftwafffeeeeeeee to crush them!'
>He starts doing just this
>Oh shit.jpg
>One night a German bomber accidentally bombs the civilian part of London, rather than the docks and factories
>Kills loads of civilians
>Churchill says 'gotta bomb Berlin back bro, just to show we're not on the defensive'
>Bombers just about reach Berlin and do so
>Hitler is enraged as he promised not a single bomb would land on Germany
>Immediately tells Goering to knock off the blowing up of factories, ports, docks and air bases and to bomb the frick out of London and other cities
>OK lol.webm
>Does so
>This allows Britain to rebuild their air fields, set up more radar stations and most importantly, get their air force back into working order
>Bombs continue to rain down but air superiority isn't achieved by Germany
>Operation Sealion cancelled
>Hitler invades USSR instead
Now AFTER that, yes, the Brits bombed German cities, but by that point London and Coventry et al were rubble. Interestingly Hitler forbade the bombing of Oxford because he said it was too pretty to do so.
You left out a couple steps
>Hitler is enraged as he promised not a single bomb would land on Germany
Immediately tells Goering to bomb the airfields that the RAF bombers came from
Goering tells him those bases are out of range, and asks if he can bomb cities instead
Hitler says yes
>Goering does so
Goering bombed London as the first step in a complex scheme to change his name to Meier and you can't convince me otherwise.
Sea lion was always a complete and total non starter
Germany barely had enough ships to facilitate an uncontested landing and with the RN unreachable up in Scotland any attempt would ultimately amount to lining up every German naval asset to get knocked the frick down like ducks at a fairground shooting game thus dooming each and every soldier landed on Britain to be fricking annihilated without logistical support of any kind.
Rotterdam wasn't the first.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Guernica
>On 26 April 1937, the Basque town of Guernica (Gernika in Basque) was aerial bombed during the Spanish Civil War. It was carried out at the behest of Francisco Franco's rebel Nationalist faction by its allies, the Nazi German Luftwaffe's Condor Legion and the Fascist Italian Aviazione Legionaria, under the code name "Operation Rügen".
The act at the time was considered so horrific and barbaric, bombing a city from the air, that some observers confidently stated it would never be done again.
Germany never had the sort of strategic bombing to be anything but a major nuance.
It was somewhat controversial but the RAF was largely withheld in Battle of Britain to remain a "fleet in being" to prevent any cross channel invasion. British city dwellers were either evac to countryside or told to deal with it.
RAF fighters were held in reserve to provide CAP to RN surface fleet which would crush any invasion attempts, if the many old battleships weren't taken out by land based German aircraft.
>Terror bombing merely hardens the resolve of the people being bombed
this is only true if you can't reduce the surface of the place being bombed to the stone age
true terror bombing has never been done before I agree.
Because they literally cant
Ukraine doesn't make anything anymore. Without the US Government directly paying the salaries of their government, the government of Kiev would have ceased to exist last year.
They can't. There's enough AA systems in Ukraine that most of them would get shot down.
they keep trying, they just such at it
It turns out Russian-made air defense actually works just fine against the Russian-made planes, for both sides.The S-300 basically shuts down everything.
you're right, they never thought of that. you're a fricking genius!
Russia doesn't actually have any pilots. All of the Russian planes you've seen flying, yeah those were all fake. Russia isn't even real. None of this is. You just need to wake up...wake up...please, we all want you to wake up John...we miss you...please wake up...
They would if they could. But they don't have useable ARM tech nor do the pilots have the training to attempt Wild Weasel. Sadly for them even old Soviet-era SAMs are a death sentence for any plane within their umbrella to say nothing of NATO systems. If the West wasn't directly supplying Ukraine with AD it's all but certain Russia would have achieved air supremacy by now as Ukraine ran out of interceptors. As it is though all Russia can do is attrit interceptors on stand-off missiles.
You're overthinking this. Russia isn't doing what OP said to do because it is physically incapable of doing it.
I think it's a bot. It kind of veered off talking about china.
They could have done that in the first two months, but later regretted not doing it.
It was over for Russia when Western weapons started coming in en masse.
What makes you think they haven't been trying to do so, to the fullest extent that they're able to. Just because they're not getting the results you expected doesn't mean that it's due to a lack of effort.
>Why doesn't Russia just win?!
Shit man I dunno
Anti Air Defense
this is why the west was so keen on delivering AA systems early and quick
Patriot, Iris-T and even Gepards are incredible effective if used right
both Patriot and Iris-T currently still hold an effective 100% success rate
and even old systems like Gepards are incredible effective against slow loitering munition, with >600 Shahed-136 shot down confirmed and like 8.something shots fired on average for a hit
Russia really tried
>bomb the absolute shit out Ukraine
but failed miserably
and also russia never had the bombing capabilities of the USA
there are magnitudes between them
in terms of air infrastructure, airplanes and bombs available
russia might match a few (symbolic) weapon systems (if at all) but is closer to 3rd world country with it's infrastructure around those weapon systems than it is to the US
>both Patriot and Iris-T currently still hold an effective 100% success rate
"success rate" is a meaningless term if you dont define it properly.
The war really doesn't end with carpet bombing. The carpet bombed germany to little avail. They carpet bombed Vietnam with little effect. One might almost argue carpet bombing with all the costs attached is costlier for the user than the enemy.