Russia is using .308 Win as a sniper round, among others such as .375 CheyTac, .408 CheyTac and .338 Lapua Magnum. Between 5.45x39, 7.62x39, 7.62x54mmR and a myriad of specialty rounds, that's a lot of strain on logistics and manufacturing.
It's possible that after this war Russia adopts 7.62x39 as its infantry rifle, based on commentary on sites like TopWar.ru since the 5.45 and 5.56 are under-powered against body armor. Their main appeal was their tumbling effect in flesh which is becoming increasingly obsolete.
Russia could operate x54 and x54R concurrently, with the latter in belted machine guns, and not have any need for .308 Win. It would be easy on manufacturing since 7.62x51mm uses a completely different bullet shape that wouldn't need to be made anymore. It would also allow them to produce a standard battle rifle, regardless of whether they use 5.45 or 7.62x39 as their assault rifle.
7.62x39 sucks against body armor
Lurk more nerd. Just because it has a higher damage value in COD doesn't mean it's better against armor
Why would they do that. Another worthless standard. 7.62x54R and 7.62x39. you literally do not need more.
>he doesnt know about 7.62×39mmBZ API armor-piercing incendiary
There are armour piercing rounds for all of the caliberd 7.62x39 is not any different?
7.62×39mmBZ API is just more brutal than any 5.56. it needed its own category in VPAM (pm8)
This reads like Vatnik cope. It's less capable than p80 which is just modernized m61. No mention of actual AP 5.56 (M855A1, M995) in your standard either. Slow fat bullets like 7.62x39 are at an inherent disadvantage against small fast bullets. There's a reason tanks use APFSDS rather than 155mm slugs. Play less video games.
This
And why isn't this wunder round issued to all Russians if it exists outside of a few prototypes?
They had a program in the 80s and 90s to replace 7.62x54r with 6x49 Unified.
77gr projectile at 3700fps from a 24inch barrel. With a tungsten core it would perform about as well as high-end tungsten .308, and a nominal steel core AP/API version would perform just fine. As with any promising program in the post-soviet era, it got super canceled becuase lmaopoverty.
BZ-API is a great start, but its about at the cap for steel AP out of the 7.62x39 case. It came about in the 50s, there really hasnt been much innovation in the budget steel AP class since then. Issued plates on both sides should handle BZ just fine, but its better to have a chance versus nothing
I remember that. It had this weird recessed ring around the base.
Everyone always seems to come to 6mm for a universal service cartridge. I bet a really gangster one can be made now, today, with hybrid case tech. Something like a 350 legend case - 10mm case head vs 5.56’s 9.6mm, and shallower taper - necked to 6mm, OAL of like 2.5”, with light to mid weight for caliber VLD/FABRL-style bullets, at 80kpsi. Virtually no penalty over 5.56 except a few grains cartridge weight.
>7.62×39mmBZ API is just more brutal than any 5.56. it needed its own category in VPAM (pm8)
It's literally a worse performing round than the standalone 7.62x39 AP round, and it's a fricking unicorn to boot.
Meanwhile the US has been issuing M855A1 as standard for years and it performs BETTER than that.
Tarkov or whatever playing Black folk who act like they know shit about frick just because the slavic devs hype up slavic weapons need to jump off a bridge.
9x39 performs like absolute trash against rifle plates yet they act like it's some super spicy lvl IV killer meme round.
There any test vids about these rounds? Vatniggs overhype everything.
The cost of changing all of the equipment that produces 54r and cost of replacing or retrofitting weapons that use 54r is too high to be worthwhile. Additionally they're likely sitting on a mountain of ammo and wouldn't want to waste it.
Just look at what the USA is doing with trying to adopt .277 Fury, it's creating a logistical nightmare.
This isn't to say they should never move beyond 54r but it will need to be for someone so much better that would validate the costs associated.
>The cost of changing all of the equipment that produces 54r and cost of replacing or retrofitting weapons that use 54r is too high to be worthwhile.
And yet Russia just set-up a factory for producing .375 CheyTac that's operational as of May 2023:
https://sputnikglobe.com/20230513/russia-starts-producing-completely-domestic-cheytac-sniper-cartridge-1110312070.html
Having two different cases for x54mm but sharing a common bullet and magazines and barrels would actually save cost and production setups and not need .308 Win.
>Additionally they're likely sitting on a mountain of ammo and wouldn't want to waste it.
>Another worthless standard. 7.62x54R and 7.62x39. you literally do not need more.
They should use x54 and x54R simultaneously. And Russia still has no battle rifle like NATO does.
>Just look at what the USA is doing with trying to adopt .277 Fury, it's creating a logistical nightmare.
In what way? It's not at all difficult to source an extra round.
ha, you gave me a chuckle. It's the government, and the most vast military in the world. Oh, sweet summer child.
Post timestamped gun and hand, this is the weakest bait I've seen all week.
Nah, really don't give a frick. I'm not a phoneposter so that would be tiresome. Closest ones to me are a 17hmr savage and .22 uberti 12 shooter single action army.
Never watched it, it's just a meme phrase to call someone a naive homosexual.
Black person it’s barely a meme in the game of thrones community let alone online culture. You are either a autist trying to mimic normie speech or a extremely influenceable gay
It's been a meme on PrepHole for fricking years you newbie.
>Noguns
Opinion discaded, go back.
Dude, I'm not going up getting my phone, taking a picture, texting it to my e-mail, and then screeenshot copy/pasting it to remove exif (durr PrepHole strips exif, yeah frick that), then posting it via my stupid nighttime laptop. All to placate what? Your gay ass? Nah, frick it.
Here's whatever the frick I found on my laptop. It's right next to the pictures I have of my dog.
Game of thrones was always gay anon, the books sucked after clash of kings
>someone so much better
Rimmed cartridge hands typed this post
>5.45 and 5.56 are underperforming against body armor
Almost everything underperforms against Level IV plates, 7.62x39 isn’t going to do any better. Even BZ-API is only roughly equivalent to M855A1. Of course ziggers don’t usually know the first thing about ballistics anyways.
>tumbling
Every spitzer bullet (and a lot of rifle FMJs that aren’t even spitzers at all) yaws eventually. 7.62x39 M67 actually does this pretty early and, it seems, may even frag a bit in practice, albeit not as much as even simple M193 and M855.
Yaw is “obsolete” in the sense that it’s vastly inferior to fragmentation and expansion as a damage mechanism, but being able to improve terminal effect on unarmored areas of the body is entirely relevant.
>. Even BZ-API is only roughly equivalent to M855A1
Lol no
moron I recognize that video still, that’s 7.62x54 B32 API in your picture not 7.62x39 BZ-API, and it didn’t even penetrate the plate on top of that.
Look at the Hesco M210, U210, AT Armor and Velocity Systems BZ-API plates, they are all special threat plates that stop M855A1 and BZ-API as their highest tier threat, aren’t rated for M80 BFD, and fall well short of Level IV. Look at TenCate’s M855A1 resistant offerings, all of them are rated for BZ-API whereas the reverse is not true, they make one BZ-API plate which isn’t rated for M855A1.
In all likelihood, the most likely reason why any plate would be rated for M855A1 and not BZ-API (e.g. RMA 1092 Gen 2) is because the latter is uncommon in North America and they didn’t bother to test it.
>It's possible that after this war Russia adopts 7.62x39 as its infantry rifle, based on commentary on sites like TopWar.ru since the 5.45 and 5.56 are under-powered against body armor.
How the frick would a fat, slow round be good at penetration? Lmao
OP is a homosexual moron as usual
Russia doesn't pretend to care about the human cost of war, in fact it probably helps save the costs of operating gulags to control population if they simply take massive casualties in every armed conflict. Their guns, ammo, tanks, planes, helos, armor, comms, apcs etc etc etc will always be shit, theyre that way by design.
If it isn't broken, don't fix it?
54r jus werks. I think the big giantass rim helps with extraction and stuff like that and theoretically increases reliability tbh.
>create a proprietary, non-interchangable cartridge with identical ballistics to the other rifle cartridges you already use
This is Imperial Japanese levels of moronation.
These 5 rounds have been the backbone of warfare for decades
Russia is a poorest nation so they never could afford to switch to something different and now so much of their arsenal of build around 54r that there's no point.
WWI
>Bolshevik Revolution happens, no time to recharged since there's a civil war going on
WWII
>USSR needs to fight off Germs so no time or money to switch from mosin in 54r
Cold War
>USSR still fricked up from WWII and needs to maintain parity in strategic weapons systems making small arms an afterthought. Just design SVD and PK/M to use 54r
Cold war ends
>Russian economy looted by former KGB. Any money spent on trying to modernize arsenal goes to Dacha.
And that's how you get to the present where there's no meaningful benefit to ditching 54r since you've designed around all the shortfalls of a rimmed cartridge anyway.