limpwristed piglets cause the plastic shitgun to fly back, failing to cycle and stovepiping a round. piggies better practice their tap/rack/bang drills.
It’s also a training problem. Most cops only shoot 50 rounds a year to qualify for work. This is the major reason why ccw holders have better shots fire per hit landed ratios compared to LEOs every single year.
>Most cops only shoot 50 rounds a year to qualify for work.
also a lot of police departments don't get rid of fat officers either. it goes hand in hand. if hooters can force women to maintain their beauty and body weight, then police departments should do the same. maybe the problem is police unions.
>also a lot of police departments don't get rid of fat officers either
I was down at evidence pickup for getting some of my property from a closed case and watched this fat fricking cop behind the counter. Dude was easily north of 350lbs. He had a huge gut that hung over his belt into a fat apron, all while parading around with his gun and his badge on his hip. Of course, he tucked in his polo to further accentuate his obesity. I don't even know how he would draw his firearm because it legitimately looked like his fat would cause interference. Shit was appalling.
lol I used to work with a fat gut security guard and his belt was always lopsided hanging off his ass. similarly I think he'd be fricked in a self defense surprise situation.
>Dude was easily north of 350lbs. He had a huge gut that hung over his belt into a fat apron, all while parading around with his gun and his badge on his hip. Of course, he tucked in his polo to further accentuate his obesity. I don't even know how he would draw his firearm because it legitimately looked like his fat would cause interference. Shit was sexy af no cap fr fr.
That’s incorrect. Fat has a density of about 0.9 g/cubic centimeter, 10% ordnance gelatin has a density of approximately 1.04 g/cubic centimeter. Fat also has very little shear strength which matters more for pistol rounds.
On the flip side 9mm JHPs don’t penetrate 23 inches of gelatin unless they fail to expand. Penetration is usually in the range of 12-18 inches, often nearer the shallower end of that range.
Back in the day when my town got rid of the local pd and folded them into the sheriff's department they were all made to re-qualify. None of those fatfricks passed the pt test and lost their jobs.
Probably because most of them never actually shoot anyone, ever, and not all of them may enjoy it more than any other part of your job that you sometimes half-heartedly do just because you were told it needs done Particularly if they aren't getting PAID to do it. After a long shift, it may just not seem like its worth the energy to go to the range for even a box of ammo as opposed to just going home to the family and cracking one open.
This, after 8 hours of hard work, especially if they have you working weird hours, you don't want to spend 1-3 hours doing dot tortures or drilling your 12 yard shots on paper -- you want >a big, hot meal >a big glass of beer >a quickie with your wife or some hot young thing, as is applicable >a hot shower
and to go the frick to bed.
Cops shoot for practice, at most, four times a year. Most local police only shoot to qualify once a year. Officers CAN use the range for free. Most do not. Why? "They already know how to shoot"
For me at least it's called "I just got off doing some shit and im fricking tired and I just want to sit down until I get up from my chair and simply go to sleep" or " Jesus christ I just want to drive home in my bed let me sleep for christ sakes".
>Most cops only shoot 50 rounds a year to qualify for work.
I plan on shooting at least 200 rounds to make sure my new P365 isn't a piece of shit
what the ever living frick is wrong with them
This too, a mix of poor form and the further you get from factory standard you'll probably see some parts maybe not agree with each other. Most gun parts companies would say their stuff is perfectly safe and reliable when used with an otherwise stock glock. But now have several parts from different companies interact and ???
if i could train for free i would. the frick is wrong with yall that you dont want to shoot for free?
Ever raise chickens anon? They eat less when there is unlimited food than if you give them a lot of food just a few times a day. When it's always there you tend to overlook it. Also, after a shift a lot of dudes get tired and just want to go home. Going through the process of signing in, hauling stuff in, then out just doesn't seem worth it.
Once this cop pulled me over, her was armed with picrel on his hip. Needless to say I knew he wasn't to be fricked around with so I asked for the maximum fine for speeding just to be safe. The scariest part was the pistol was hot pink!
it doesnt. when it does its because untrained officer bobbito limp wristed the frick out of it because he cant grip a gun, which affects *all* pistols that are semi-auto
Is it true tho ? I own a Glock, never had this problem, but I read only limpwrist stuff about glocks, never another brand.
yes. polymer frame handguns are uniquely susceptible because of low frame weight, but all handguns can be limp wristed. my mother managed to do it with a .22lr autoloader. i did it with a full frame P85 when i was a kid training with dad. i still sometimes do it when i one hand drill, which is why i need to do more practice and get better at the skill. that last simple fact seems to be lost on cops who only train once or twice a year to keep their certs. buy your own fricking ammo and use your patrol gun at the range so when you end up having to use it, which is likely as a fricking LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, you dont get dropped by some meth creature. i don't want cops dead because they didn't train. that is a terrible and preventable loss. they can be much safer and more secure by training, and so they should by all means train. im surprised no former cop has made a non profit to fund police training with firearms, that would be a great idea
Probably because Glocks outnumber other pistols by a huge margin. A 1% failure in a 100 guns means only one gun was bad, but scale that up to millions and suddenly it looks like you have a problem.
I don’t know what to say about you never hearing it happen to other brands, because it absolutely does. Any Browning style recoil slide is going to have this issue. Maaaybe the aggressive grip angle of Glocks makes them more susceptible, but that’s me pulling a theory out of my ass.
Psst. Their thumb is making contact with the slide because they are gorilla gripping the gun under adrenaline. This leads to reduced slide velocity, which leads to short stroking. There's also videos on Police Activity of the exact same thing happening to a M&P 2 and a PPQ.
It hasn't happened to you because you haven't had to shoot someone while you Feared for Your Life™ yet.
I suspect they aren't limp wristing. With adrenaline they are probably gorilla-gripping it as hard as possible. I suspect it has something more to do with hand placement, especially with gloved hands combined with potentially lax/improper maintenance ande odd add-on equipment (lights, dots) that may be exacerbating other issues by changing the recoil impulse via weight.
If attackements are framemounted ,properly secured, and the frame doesnt flex i dont see why .
Gripping things they shouldnt because of the atachments , gloves or any other reason, apsolutely, that could induce malfunctions
I've noticed a lot of vids where cop wear gloves, and I wonder if they are just holding the guns in a way that glove interfere more with the grip, and catches it. That and just poor form under extreme duress.
I remember that a vid like that too. It was an m&p if we are thinking of the same one. It was those hispanics in the truck. The only malfunctions I've had with glocks is my own tendency to put my thumb on the slide stop causing a failure to lock open. I also have one mag for my gen 5 19 that always ejects the last round directly back into my face. I don't think glocks are more or less reliable than any other similar polymer.
There's more than enough evidence suggesting that at sterile conditions with proper grip (ie., a non-stress range) glock seem to perform exceptionally. Even dirty glocks perform admirably in many adverse conditions.
However they seem extremely susceptible to improper grip and general poor form by cops under duress, an possibly aftermarket add-ons that may alter the weight balance.
We already had the perfect law enforcement weapon. But we can't expect Officer Kyle to actually aim instead of magdumping 15 rounds into the suspect and surrounding houses, can we?
As much as I love a good glockwrist dog piling thread I've got a legitimate question. Glock did a lot of minor design changes to the gen 5, some of which were aimed at increasing reliability. Has anybody done some good limp wrist susceptibility testing of the gen 5? Anybody here with autism powerful enough to either confirm or deny that gen 5s are shitting the bed left and right like gen 3/4 do in OIS videos? Just curious if Glock mightve addressed it at all or just ignored it again, I've otherwise heard pretty stellar things about them reliability wise even when compared to previous Glock gens.
I have a gen 5 19 that has been fine. Admittedly, I only have a few hundred rounds through it so far. The main changes were in the extractor. Later gen 3 and all gen 4 had erratic ejection issues with the infamous "brass to face" problem. This kept me from buying a glock for years. Any time I rented a gen 3 or 4 at a range I got a brass facial. My friend got a gen 5 19 which doesn't have the issue so I got one too. The problem seems to have been fixed.
Never understood why people think police know frick all about weapons marksmanship and tactics. They get about 15-20 hours total and qual once a year 98% of their training is paperwork and how to elicit information and how to bypass restrictions on violating rights.
Limp wristing only occurs with the 9mm version of glock. It never occurs with the 45 app version of glock, no matter how hard you try, I don't think the 9mm has enough energy to complete the slide cycle quick enough despite the way the gun is held.
If the true measure of a gun is in it's reliability why is it that you only hear of limp wristing issues with g17/19 and never with g21's? Its because of the caliber itself that is the problem, if you never want to have to worry about a glock jamming on you then just buy a glock in 45acp instead of 9mm, I don't hear about m&p's jamming with 9mm.
There's some truth to that as well, depends on the ammo too, hotter loads will more reliably cycle the slide, I never have seen issues with someone shooting a 40 S&W or 45ACP Glock with limp wristing.
I have seen a lot of glocks jam in body cam footage an it has always been either >riced out ebay racegun
or >cops thumb is behind the slide
If you take a reliable gun and then replace the parts that make it reliable, or moron the action, it'll jam. Its not some weird thing with glocks, you just see it more often because there is more of them, like mustangs crashing when leaving car shows.
I blame it purely on grip. I was having an issue with my G19 and thought I was limp wristing until I realized I was riding the slide catch. Adjusted my grip and haven’t had the issue since. I can imagine officers wearing gloves having the same problem vhh040
Glocks are very sensitive to limp wrist malfunctions compared to most polymer or composite framed handguns, and combine that with the stress of likely shooting someone for the first and only time in your life means a lot of the training (which you get very infrequently) goes out the door. Even a slight limp wrist or firing whilst on the move means your gun jams and a lot of body cam videos are just that.
It's a problem with all striker fired pistols, Glocks are just the most visible since they are the most used. There is no problem with DA/SA metal framed pistols, plastic framed striker fired pistols really don't add benefit and add problems. They are cheaper to manufacture and that is why they are shilled.
You can learn the trigger just as easily and if the hammer is getting caught or blocked on something never happens. If it did the slide would likely be impeded as well. Strikers are unreliable
>glock fanboys out in full force when their plastic toy doesn't work outside the range
LMAO
Glock is the ONLY pistol that constantly malfunctions if you don't give it the deathgrip hold. A combat pistol SHOULD function no matter how you hold it, even Browning got this shit right over a hundred years ago back in 1911
A combination of shit hitting the fan and a sudden burst of violence.
And lazy cops not cleaning their kit
Turns out most cops are limp wristed homosexuals when someone else suddenly escalates the violence.
this 2bhqhwyphamalamadingdong
limpwristed piglets cause the plastic shitgun to fly back, failing to cycle and stovepiping a round. piggies better practice their tap/rack/bang drills.
It’s also a training problem. Most cops only shoot 50 rounds a year to qualify for work. This is the major reason why ccw holders have better shots fire per hit landed ratios compared to LEOs every single year.
>Most cops only shoot 50 rounds a year to qualify for work.
also a lot of police departments don't get rid of fat officers either. it goes hand in hand. if hooters can force women to maintain their beauty and body weight, then police departments should do the same. maybe the problem is police unions.
>also a lot of police departments don't get rid of fat officers either
I was down at evidence pickup for getting some of my property from a closed case and watched this fat fricking cop behind the counter. Dude was easily north of 350lbs. He had a huge gut that hung over his belt into a fat apron, all while parading around with his gun and his badge on his hip. Of course, he tucked in his polo to further accentuate his obesity. I don't even know how he would draw his firearm because it legitimately looked like his fat would cause interference. Shit was appalling.
lol I used to work with a fat gut security guard and his belt was always lopsided hanging off his ass. similarly I think he'd be fricked in a self defense surprise situation.
>Dude was easily north of 350lbs. He had a huge gut that hung over his belt into a fat apron, all while parading around with his gun and his badge on his hip. Of course, he tucked in his polo to further accentuate his obesity. I don't even know how he would draw his firearm because it legitimately looked like his fat would cause interference. Shit was sexy af no cap fr fr.
ftfy
I hate zoomers
He's the tank. 9mm is stopped by ~23 inches of ballistic gel. Fat is denser than gel. Americans are evolving to become bulletproof.
That’s incorrect. Fat has a density of about 0.9 g/cubic centimeter, 10% ordnance gelatin has a density of approximately 1.04 g/cubic centimeter. Fat also has very little shear strength which matters more for pistol rounds.
On the flip side 9mm JHPs don’t penetrate 23 inches of gelatin unless they fail to expand. Penetration is usually in the range of 12-18 inches, often nearer the shallower end of that range.
He actually has to make it out where the shooting is happening if he's going to tank anything.
>all while parading around with his gun and his badge on his hip.
Lots of Freudian cope here
Back in the day when my town got rid of the local pd and folded them into the sheriff's department they were all made to re-qualify. None of those fatfricks passed the pt test and lost their jobs.
Aren't they allowed to shoot as much as they want for free? Why would you not take advantage of that?
Probably because most of them never actually shoot anyone, ever, and not all of them may enjoy it more than any other part of your job that you sometimes half-heartedly do just because you were told it needs done Particularly if they aren't getting PAID to do it. After a long shift, it may just not seem like its worth the energy to go to the range for even a box of ammo as opposed to just going home to the family and cracking one open.
This, after 8 hours of hard work, especially if they have you working weird hours, you don't want to spend 1-3 hours doing dot tortures or drilling your 12 yard shots on paper -- you want
>a big, hot meal
>a big glass of beer
>a quickie with your wife or some hot young thing, as is applicable
>a hot shower
and to go the frick to bed.
*Aren't they allowed to shoot as much as they want on the tax payers dollar*
Ftfy
Yeah and most are unmotivated wagie losers
After going through LEO training...
Cops shoot for practice, at most, four times a year. Most local police only shoot to qualify once a year. Officers CAN use the range for free. Most do not. Why? "They already know how to shoot"
If i was working 10-12 hour shifts I wouldn't want to sit around shooting at work either.
if i could train for free i would. the frick is wrong with yall that you dont want to shoot for free?
For me at least it's called "I just got off doing some shit and im fricking tired and I just want to sit down until I get up from my chair and simply go to sleep" or " Jesus christ I just want to drive home in my bed let me sleep for christ sakes".
>Most cops only shoot 50 rounds a year to qualify for work.
I plan on shooting at least 200 rounds to make sure my new P365 isn't a piece of shit
what the ever living frick is wrong with them
If anything it's over-gripping that is causing the stoppages.
Also you Yanks love 3rd party parts which likely also contributes to a number of recorded stoppages.
This too, a mix of poor form and the further you get from factory standard you'll probably see some parts maybe not agree with each other. Most gun parts companies would say their stuff is perfectly safe and reliable when used with an otherwise stock glock. But now have several parts from different companies interact and ???
Ever raise chickens anon? They eat less when there is unlimited food than if you give them a lot of food just a few times a day. When it's always there you tend to overlook it. Also, after a shift a lot of dudes get tired and just want to go home. Going through the process of signing in, hauling stuff in, then out just doesn't seem worth it.
Issued guns aren't modified, moron.
>yanks
Non-American detected, opinion discarded. Get the frick off this board.
You can't mod dept issued weapons. At most you can swap sights to night sights, maybe if your department is based will allow an RMR.
Once this cop pulled me over, her was armed with picrel on his hip. Needless to say I knew he wasn't to be fricked around with so I asked for the maximum fine for speeding just to be safe. The scariest part was the pistol was hot pink!
Shhh, you will upset the Gastonites!
it doesnt. when it does its because untrained officer bobbito limp wristed the frick out of it because he cant grip a gun, which affects *all* pistols that are semi-auto
not the Mateba
whatever
yes. polymer frame handguns are uniquely susceptible because of low frame weight, but all handguns can be limp wristed. my mother managed to do it with a .22lr autoloader. i did it with a full frame P85 when i was a kid training with dad. i still sometimes do it when i one hand drill, which is why i need to do more practice and get better at the skill. that last simple fact seems to be lost on cops who only train once or twice a year to keep their certs. buy your own fricking ammo and use your patrol gun at the range so when you end up having to use it, which is likely as a fricking LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, you dont get dropped by some meth creature. i don't want cops dead because they didn't train. that is a terrible and preventable loss. they can be much safer and more secure by training, and so they should by all means train. im surprised no former cop has made a non profit to fund police training with firearms, that would be a great idea
Is it true tho ? I own a Glock, never had this problem, but I read only limpwrist stuff about glocks, never another brand.
Probably because Glocks outnumber other pistols by a huge margin. A 1% failure in a 100 guns means only one gun was bad, but scale that up to millions and suddenly it looks like you have a problem.
I don’t know what to say about you never hearing it happen to other brands, because it absolutely does. Any Browning style recoil slide is going to have this issue. Maaaybe the aggressive grip angle of Glocks makes them more susceptible, but that’s me pulling a theory out of my ass.
Psst. Their thumb is making contact with the slide because they are gorilla gripping the gun under adrenaline. This leads to reduced slide velocity, which leads to short stroking. There's also videos on Police Activity of the exact same thing happening to a M&P 2 and a PPQ.
It hasn't happened to you because you haven't had to shoot someone while you Feared for Your Life™ yet.
I suspect they aren't limp wristing. With adrenaline they are probably gorilla-gripping it as hard as possible. I suspect it has something more to do with hand placement, especially with gloved hands combined with potentially lax/improper maintenance ande odd add-on equipment (lights, dots) that may be exacerbating other issues by changing the recoil impulse via weight.
If attackements are framemounted ,properly secured, and the frame doesnt flex i dont see why .
Gripping things they shouldnt because of the atachments , gloves or any other reason, apsolutely, that could induce malfunctions
I've noticed a lot of vids where cop wear gloves, and I wonder if they are just holding the guns in a way that glove interfere more with the grip, and catches it. That and just poor form under extreme duress.
I remember some body cam where the cops hand was fricked up and had to shoot one handed. Damn thing malfunctioned like 4 times
I remember that a vid like that too. It was an m&p if we are thinking of the same one. It was those hispanics in the truck. The only malfunctions I've had with glocks is my own tendency to put my thumb on the slide stop causing a failure to lock open. I also have one mag for my gen 5 19 that always ejects the last round directly back into my face. I don't think glocks are more or less reliable than any other similar polymer.
what if glocks were never all that reliable to begin with?
There's more than enough evidence suggesting that at sterile conditions with proper grip (ie., a non-stress range) glock seem to perform exceptionally. Even dirty glocks perform admirably in many adverse conditions.
However they seem extremely susceptible to improper grip and general poor form by cops under duress, an possibly aftermarket add-ons that may alter the weight balance.
They're reliable, but so is everyone else these days
We already had the perfect law enforcement weapon. But we can't expect Officer Kyle to actually aim instead of magdumping 15 rounds into the suspect and surrounding houses, can we?
As much as I love a good glockwrist dog piling thread I've got a legitimate question. Glock did a lot of minor design changes to the gen 5, some of which were aimed at increasing reliability. Has anybody done some good limp wrist susceptibility testing of the gen 5? Anybody here with autism powerful enough to either confirm or deny that gen 5s are shitting the bed left and right like gen 3/4 do in OIS videos? Just curious if Glock mightve addressed it at all or just ignored it again, I've otherwise heard pretty stellar things about them reliability wise even when compared to previous Glock gens.
had some of my younger cousins shoot my gen5 17 a few times now, haven't had any limp wrist issues like we would get with the gen3 19
I have a gen 5 19 that has been fine. Admittedly, I only have a few hundred rounds through it so far. The main changes were in the extractor. Later gen 3 and all gen 4 had erratic ejection issues with the infamous "brass to face" problem. This kept me from buying a glock for years. Any time I rented a gen 3 or 4 at a range I got a brass facial. My friend got a gen 5 19 which doesn't have the issue so I got one too. The problem seems to have been fixed.
Never understood why people think police know frick all about weapons marksmanship and tactics. They get about 15-20 hours total and qual once a year 98% of their training is paperwork and how to elicit information and how to bypass restrictions on violating rights.
Tldr: cops know shit about guns
Limp wristing only occurs with the 9mm version of glock. It never occurs with the 45 app version of glock, no matter how hard you try, I don't think the 9mm has enough energy to complete the slide cycle quick enough despite the way the gun is held.
If the true measure of a gun is in it's reliability why is it that you only hear of limp wristing issues with g17/19 and never with g21's? Its because of the caliber itself that is the problem, if you never want to have to worry about a glock jamming on you then just buy a glock in 45acp instead of 9mm, I don't hear about m&p's jamming with 9mm.
There's some truth to that as well, depends on the ammo too, hotter loads will more reliably cycle the slide, I never have seen issues with someone shooting a 40 S&W or 45ACP Glock with limp wristing.
little girls can and do shoot glocks one handed.
just some food for thought
I have seen a lot of glocks jam in body cam footage an it has always been either
>riced out ebay racegun
or
>cops thumb is behind the slide
If you take a reliable gun and then replace the parts that make it reliable, or moron the action, it'll jam. Its not some weird thing with glocks, you just see it more often because there is more of them, like mustangs crashing when leaving car shows.
Gamblers fallacy
I blame it purely on grip. I was having an issue with my G19 and thought I was limp wristing until I realized I was riding the slide catch. Adjusted my grip and haven’t had the issue since. I can imagine officers wearing gloves having the same problem vhh040
I can also think of some just having that "oh shit" moment and just yanking their pistol out and having a weird grip too.
Exactly. Even as much as I train, I can easily see myself making the fumble in the heat of the moment. With that said, train hard fren
Cause most cops can't shoot worth a limp dick.
Glocks are very sensitive to limp wrist malfunctions compared to most polymer or composite framed handguns, and combine that with the stress of likely shooting someone for the first and only time in your life means a lot of the training (which you get very infrequently) goes out the door. Even a slight limp wrist or firing whilst on the move means your gun jams and a lot of body cam videos are just that.
The cops never learned about Coomoil
It's a problem with all striker fired pistols, Glocks are just the most visible since they are the most used. There is no problem with DA/SA metal framed pistols, plastic framed striker fired pistols really don't add benefit and add problems. They are cheaper to manufacture and that is why they are shilled.
fewer parts, just 1 trigger pull to learn, and an internal mechanism instead of hammer that can catch things and be blocked sounds like incentives
You can learn the trigger just as easily and if the hammer is getting caught or blocked on something never happens. If it did the slide would likely be impeded as well. Strikers are unreliable
Hammers dont get caught on clothes by CCW? then why are so many CC revolvers hammerless or shrouded?
it's shy
If cops were using Hi Points, they wouldn't care about jams because they could still beat the alleged perp to death with it.
You never see a smith & wesson jam when a Black folk decided he doesn't wanna live no mow
it's an intended safety feature so the cops don't shoot everyone they meet
>any western specops le/mil unit with infinite time, choice and money ends up with glocks
>one more /k/ thread against glocks because yeah
>not specops
>chooses to mimic them anyways
I haven't seen as many jams as I have seen people accidentally pressing the mag release. Sometimes multiple times in a single video.
Glocks are just shy and don't perform well when suddenly put on camera
>glock fanboys out in full force when their plastic toy doesn't work outside the range
LMAO
Glock is the ONLY pistol that constantly malfunctions if you don't give it the deathgrip hold. A combat pistol SHOULD function no matter how you hold it, even Browning got this shit right over a hundred years ago back in 1911
Any copgays in here? Glock 17 or Sig p226 DAO?