>if only you knew how good your bank accounts could be
if the black was dark brown and the bright red more rusty sub-dued, aye
my pic was an older italian pattern by the way, if you like swiss you might want to pick it up- still obtainable
>America needs to adopt Alpenflage
Well, if we're realistic: Alpenflage was a plain copy of the late WW2 German Leibermuster, the Mountainjuden just changed the colors. >Be Swiss >Be stingy >Steal the camo pattern of a country that recently ceased to exist and lost a war >No licensing fees >Profit
It's good but some countries would probably be better off adopting something better suited to their own environment. To me it's kinda become the official uniform of the globohomo. I think part of it's allure, especially for the army, is that it was for a while the forbidden fruit. We could've had it many years sooner but big army decided to go with UCP instead. So for the longest time this amazing new pattern was out of reach and it made soldiers want it even more. Some super duper tier 1 types got to use it while the rest of plebs were stuck with UCP so it developed this mythological aura of being a super high speed pattern for the most elite of soldiers. Once again it only increased the demand for it. Once the army finally started to adopt it then it spread like wildfire. Everyone had to have it. Other countries saw the army using it and then they wanted to copy it too.
I know this sounds dumb but I think it's an aesthetically pleasing pattern. Some patterns are just ugly to look at. But now damn near every country with a defense budget of 9 digits or more is using it or a derivative of it. Including the Russians. I think in due time there will be a lot of countries dumping it because of how over saturated it has become. When your enemies are using the same pattern as you, identifying friends and foes becomes a problem. Also countries are inevitably going want to be "unique" again. The easiest way to do that is dump the pattern that's being used by damn near every military that actually matters.
Not all of us wish to be slaves to International israelitery as you do. Some of us want armies and nations that are actually competent and worth fighting for, not literally rotting from the inside out.
>mommy I called it globohomosexual again! >mommy I called it MultiScam again! >mommy I posted the pasta again!
pic rel, the "globohomo" Mormons protecting their community against bolshevik homosexuals
>Quality gear and good coordination >Show up, protect community, leave without attention whoring once job is done >No publicity or pics thereof ever since because actual proper fricking opsec
Those guys were honestly the best modern day example I've ever seen of an actual well regulated militia. Wonder how many like them there are out there.
Literally any commercially available hunting gear you can find would be better. You're just military larpers, and homosexuals, if you want to dress in multicam to go shoot at the range.
sure if you want to look like a glowstick at night as soon as someone shines an IR illuminator at you. None of my hunting camos have good NIR performance.
I would way rather be in ocp than some fricking realtree. I'm wearing it right now. In my job. In the military. Where I try to find people wearing this shit and can't tell at distance if that's a tuft of grass or a human body. No not ten feet of some standing figures in press shots. People actually trying to hide.
Yeah its super good. Obviously there are more optimized patterns for jungle, desert or snow environments, but few countries have a single biome and multicam is one of the most flexible color palettes.
Dude named Roman Kurmaz made crye replica gear in basically any pattern you could imagine, extremely high quality too. However he lived in Ukraine and is probably kill so you might be shit out of luck.
>Multicam chest rig >Multicam shirt >Multicam pants >FDE gloves >FDE boots >Multicam beanie (winter) >Multicam rodie hat (summer)
Feels good to be a gangster.
>realtree and mossy oak anything are absolute garbage
That's wrong you moron. They are the antithesis to any *multi*camouflage by being highly specialized. They just work in a very narrow set of environments. >there's a reason no competent military on earth uses a mimicry camo
Wrong again. They just don't use it because it's too specialized. .mil doesn't want to spend billions on camo, that's why they use one or two patterns
>They are the antithesis to any *multi*camouflage by being highly specialized. They just work in a very narrow set of environments.
they work in almost none. almost all of the classic fudd camos don't provide enough contrast and suffer from the same problem as M81, namely turning you into a dark blob.
>realtree
I wanted this, but when I couldn't build my SHTF kit with it, I went to default multicam. I regret nothing, frick mismatching patterns and frick snowflakes. Funny story, police were raiding a suspect that was wearing multicam, and an officer shot and killed another officer in the suspect's back yard by accident. You also hear stories of friendly fire in Ukraine because everyone is wearing multicam and at long distances, you can't see identifying patches.
>It's good because it's common
Which is great if you're lazy. You can't claim true autism status until you've hunted down some especially weird looking pattern or started dying UCP. Real men go through excessive levels of effort to obtain basic shit like mags and batteries because testosterone levels are inversely correlated with IQ points
>mass produced-government ordered fatigues are good because there are alot of them
what are you, a democrat ? >I personally like the worst pattern
just sponge gray on tan- there you go, atacs
>>mass produced-government ordered fatigues are good because there are alot of them
Rather they're mass produced and there's alot of them because they're good >inb4 UCP
was only adopted by americans, unlike multicam >just sponge gray on tan- there you go, atacs
i just like it bro
2 years ago
Anonymous
thats ATACS-FG, dumb moron
do you even own any of it or just .pngs >inb4 UCP
calling it that and not ACU shows you were well below 18 not too long ago >Rather they're mass produced and there's alot of them because they're good
Quantity is a quality of its own, huh commie?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>thats not ATACS, that's ATACS-FG
2 years ago
Anonymous
Ah, I get it- you actually are underage. Is why you call ACU "UCP"- you genuinely thought the green ATACS was the standard because you werent around when the original was the big deal. It's a fun thing: to have good intuition and over the course of a few posts determine someone's age and upbringing.
https://i.imgur.com/5o5d4xB.jpg
Can do kemo sabe, allow me to present Greek Airforce Lizard AKA Anti-camo
Hell yeah man, blue and purple in patterns is the cool stuff. Cuban elm leaf is my white whale
2 years ago
Anonymous
I was born in oct 2000
2 years ago
Anonymous
"ACU" is not the name of the pattern and was never the name of the pattern. Dumb grunts mixing up the term for a uniform and the term for a camouflage pattern doesn't mean anything. Your current ACU is in OCP, not in UCP.
To be fair to those dumb grunts. Dumb officers need to stop changing acronyms for no reason creating unnecessary confusion.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Anyone who was in the business in the 2000s referred to it as ACU. They dont wall m81 woodland BDU pattern- but this was called ACU. It simply was
2 years ago
Anonymous
They don't call m81 woodland "BDU pattern"*
I was born in oct 2000
Yeah I could tell.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yeah I was right there with you using acronyms without knowing what they meant as a dumb kid. As often happens in the Army, people did not use the correct term and it became a habit. Senior NCOs probably older than you will now get after people calling the old pattern "ACU" because that's wrong, you still wear "ACU" you just wear it in OCP.
The Army is dumb like that, and needs to stop confusing things by changing acronyms like with BNCOC -> WLC -> BLC and with BDU -> ACU. But here we are, and we can start by correctly using the terminology we have.
2 years ago
Anonymous
My original point was ACU is what people who were around when it was issue often called it- UCP is what people post 2010 called it. The zoomer I was responding to admitted to being born basically 2001- he would have been in elementary school when the Army was considering alternatives to ACU pattern; but he spoke with AUTHORITY about the subject. Shows how the loudest are often the most ignorant
https://i.imgur.com/qTTlvy1.png
Here's your camo bro
>pic related
although I dont like the presence of ukra*nes in this thread
2 years ago
Anonymous
meds
2 years ago
Anonymous
do your homework; I know youre a moron and are attending summer school right now- get back to it.
That's not multicam. Obvious with so much green, but nice try.
>hasn't seen original multicam before it was changed and adopted
I'm looking at my OG pair right now- yeah its pretty green
2 years ago
Anonymous
ACU is the US Army uniform, UCP is the camo pattern. If anything it's more autistic to refer to the camo itself as ACU. Same thing with calling the UCP tiger stripe pattern ABU.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Oops, here's another old image where it was colloquially referred to as ACU
2 years ago
Anonymous
Dumb grunts are also why people have called magazines 'clips' ever since WWII and the M1 Garand.
https://i.imgur.com/1iKh0g3.png
Why does everyone uses muilticam? Even the russians
Is it really THAT good?
The joke is Russians never wear multicam. Ukrainians do though.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Russians never wear multicam
2 years ago
Anonymous
>russians wearing hearing protection with lights and optics
not saying it's fake, but there are maybe a few hundred guys in the entire russian military that get non-shit gear and if those are the guys that get an MC knock off, that's not much of the russian military at all
2 years ago
Anonymous
That's not multicam. Obvious with so much green, but nice try.
2 years ago
Anonymous
yeah it's the totally not multicam russian multicam
just like they use the totally not ATACS russian ATACS
2 years ago
Anonymous
>$40 earpro from Amazon
is his radio a Baofeng, too?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yes
2 years ago
Anonymous
Based atacs enjoyer
>mass produced-government ordered fatigues are good because there are alot of them
what are you, a democrat ? >I personally like the worst pattern
just sponge gray on tan- there you go, atacs
atacs au works extremely well in the desert where I live. Better than multicam.
I know this is /k/ so intelligence is not the priority here, but M81 was used extensively through NATO and third world countries and remains so today. Lebanon only stopped using it a few years ago.
Post your most exotic pattern >the real desert ATACS
2 years ago
Anonymous
Can do kemo sabe, allow me to present Greek Airforce Lizard AKA Anti-camo
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Greek Airforce Lizard AKA Anti-camo
Better than the current USAF anti-camo.
2 years ago
Anonymous
noice
2 years ago
Anonymous
amazing what you can do with milsurp
2 years ago
Anonymous
>low quality print shirt in the shot
Not interested.
2 years ago
Anonymous
you don't like the camo or you don't like that I own other clothes?
2 years ago
Anonymous
What did I say?
Note how the pattern on the pocket does not match the pattern behind it? That's the sign of a low-quality shirt. I am not talking about the ABU
You could do better.
2 years ago
Anonymous
oh it's just a shirt I don't really care
2 years ago
Anonymous
I could tell.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Is this a black dye? I've always wanted to try that with ABU thinking it would look like some cool sci-fi villain uniform
2 years ago
Anonymous
yeah just a standard bottle of rit black dye. I think I might add dark gray to the next one I do
2 years ago
Anonymous
Dope. I have a few sets left over that I want to experiment with. I want to believe that the sage green pallette is the only thing holding ABU back
Camo is misunderstood, it isn't about being invisible as much as making target acquisition take a few more seconds when the enemy knows your position. Not every theater of war takes place at night with infrared against vehicles
It's good in arid scrubland like the western US and much of Afghanistan. It's passable in more sandy deserts like most of Iraq. It's trash anywhere that gets enough rainfall for proper foliage.
To stop the argument: I was in the Army during the transition from BDU to ACU. And no one ever referred to the camo patterns as "m81" or "UCP" or whatever.
You would say "bdu pattern" "acu pattern" "dcu pattern" etc.
Yes even within the difference between woodland and three color desert we just said BDU or DCU pattern.
To stop the argument: I was in the Army during the transition from BDU to ACU. And no one ever referred to the camo patterns as "m81" or "UCP" or whatever.
You would say "bdu pattern" "acu pattern" "dcu pattern" etc.
Yes even within the difference between woodland and three color desert we just said BDU or DCU pattern.
or tricolor/coffee stain
https://i.imgur.com/MV2l6My.gif
>tfw no use of urban camo
feelsbadman
We were THIS close in the 90s with the most patrician urban pattern. Pisses me off still that their reason for canning it was 'nah no need for urban fighting- civic strife of the 90s is over' and then 2001 happened
Camo gays are the worst gays. They scream and cry all day about the "best" obscure camo and waste all their time worrying about colors like some gay homosexual designer making a dress for fat women.
>like some gay homosexual designer making a dress for fat women.
Except they get paid to do so. Camogays do it for free lol.
We should go back to solid colors since the Russian-Ukraine War has demonstrated that PID is far more important and everyone's going to be friendly-firing each other if they all had the bright idea to wear Multicam lol
Only Chechens and Russian SF use Multicam and that's because they sourced all of their gear off-the-shelf. Most manufacturers of OPS-CORE, G3s, and plate carriers already make their products in Multicam so it's cheaper just to buy that than custom order new sets in your country's standard issue camouflage pattern. The regular Russian Army uses EMR almost exclusively and the DNR/LNR use a mix of EMR and older patterns dating back to the days of the Soviet Union.
Ukraine is actually the exception to this trend because they have a tradition of producing their own equipment locally, thus you have LARPerator gear that comes in MM14 instead. The only Ukrainians who wear Multicam regularly are the Internal Troops/National Guard (Azov Regiment is a part of this force btw), who do source most of their equipment off-the-shelf from Western suppliers and wear Multicam to distinguish themselves from the regular army.
>Everybode hates something >In my moronic logic that means it must be incredibly awesome
That's your brain on zoomerism
No, Anon, Multishit ain't good. Just like every other jack-of-all-trades it's highly mediocre and not able to do one single job really good.
That's why the Marines kept a full set of woodland and desert camo and they were fricking right.
Go check the Goeppen-Geiger-Diagram to see how many highly different geographical zones are on this planet. Most of them need a certain set of colors for a real good camouflage.
Multishit sucks for everything than semi-arid environments. It's not even a good desert pattern - 3-color desert or DPM desert were much better in that regard.
its a good, neutral earth tone based camo that works reasonably well in a lot of environments. I think a lot of its users realize this and that's why it's caught on so well. It makes way more sense for mass adoption than something like M81 that just turns you into a dark blob at distance. there's no real reason to hate it other than /k/ sovl-posting hipsterism. I like it.
>go to war >everyone uses the same camo >don't want to commit fratricide >solution is to wear a brightly colored armband, defeating the purpose of camo
shit sucks
This might be a dumb question but why did we decide to with black and now painfully-too-light tan boots instead of Corcorans? Corcorans actually fit in most environments except the open desert being mud brown, but also look decent enough for use on the parade ground.
russians have a massive inferiority complex when it comes to america, so despite them always insisting they're better in every way conceivable, they still try to emulate us constantly
It can't hold a candle to specialized camo, but unlike specialized camo, it makes a positive (if small) difference pretty much everywhere. If you think you'll have to deal with multiple environments, and don't want the hassle of multiple designs, you could do worse than just using multicam everywhere.
>If you think you'll have to deal with multiple environments, and don't want the hassle of multiple designs
That's called using olive or khaki as a base and just throwing a specialized camo parka over it or soldiers painting it if time requires it
>desert
its used by militia like Arizona Border Recon and looks like good match
some moron camo map has much of CA including SF Gay Area as light straw AKA "golden hills" of dry grass that exists 3/4 of year on all our rolling hills, except you ain't gonna be sitting alone on top or even side of big ass hill, you gonna be in shrubs and trees in the little mini-canyons, and CP is about perfect for everywhere except wide open dry grass hill side, and it ain't even too bad there.
I'd guess most of the action even in sandbox is where a few shrubs exist and a bit darker is better than too light (major issue with UCP and "glows")
IMO should mix up accessories a bit to further mix up camo but don't be like USMC with light desert clothes then dark plate carrier with everyone wearing same indicator.
CP was created by Mr C how was a Fine Arts guy and works on similar as Impressionist Painting in that it leverages brain's optical processor as it tries to FILL IN.
IPs will look "more real than life" when viewed from correct distance because brain is making it so and that will also change in weird ways at diff distances.
PS IIRC CP also creates fake depth as do supposedly RealTree etc but CP does it in more universal manner.
trying to scan for human blob if blob is covered in CP it will look like surface that is 10ft+ diff distance so couldnt be human or other object just random outdoors.
because
Its aight
america does something, even if it's kinda moronic, and everyone else copies it.
when will we start seeing NGSW copies
to be fair, it's not a terribly original concept
the fact that it is so commonly used between nations is a disgrace to camouflage. half of the purpose is identity
America needs to adopt Alpenflage
>if only you knew how good your bank accounts could be
if the black was dark brown and the bright red more rusty sub-dued, aye
my pic was an older italian pattern by the way, if you like swiss you might want to pick it up- still obtainable
>'bout to frick your b***h with one of these in her ass, bro
Why?
>America needs to adopt Alpenflage
Well, if we're realistic: Alpenflage was a plain copy of the late WW2 German Leibermuster, the Mountainjuden just changed the colors.
>Be Swiss
>Be stingy
>Steal the camo pattern of a country that recently ceased to exist and lost a war
>No licensing fees
>Profit
The newer Alpenflage is the same stuff, just a more classic woodland approach
leibermuster is the distant ancestor of multicam by way of ERDL. in a way we already have adopted it
It's good but some countries would probably be better off adopting something better suited to their own environment. To me it's kinda become the official uniform of the globohomo. I think part of it's allure, especially for the army, is that it was for a while the forbidden fruit. We could've had it many years sooner but big army decided to go with UCP instead. So for the longest time this amazing new pattern was out of reach and it made soldiers want it even more. Some super duper tier 1 types got to use it while the rest of plebs were stuck with UCP so it developed this mythological aura of being a super high speed pattern for the most elite of soldiers. Once again it only increased the demand for it. Once the army finally started to adopt it then it spread like wildfire. Everyone had to have it. Other countries saw the army using it and then they wanted to copy it too.
I know this sounds dumb but I think it's an aesthetically pleasing pattern. Some patterns are just ugly to look at. But now damn near every country with a defense budget of 9 digits or more is using it or a derivative of it. Including the Russians. I think in due time there will be a lot of countries dumping it because of how over saturated it has become. When your enemies are using the same pattern as you, identifying friends and foes becomes a problem. Also countries are inevitably going want to be "unique" again. The easiest way to do that is dump the pattern that's being used by damn near every military that actually matters.
>globohomo
opinion discarded.
Not all of us wish to be slaves to International israelitery as you do. Some of us want armies and nations that are actually competent and worth fighting for, not literally rotting from the inside out.
yes
>"mom I used the word contrarian again !!"
>blindly loves multicam
sounds about right
>mommy I called it globohomosexual again!
>mommy I called it MultiScam again!
>mommy I posted the pasta again!
pic rel, the "globohomo" Mormons protecting their community against bolshevik homosexuals
I said none of those phrases, but okay.
>ukraineposter
A cherry on top. Go away, child.
>ukraineposter
not him but that picture is from 2020
there's literally a american flag there
You moronic gorilla Black person
Can you just frick off and drink some tapwater thirdworld nog?
Maybe you should learn how to read before embarassing yourself, dumb Black person
>Maybe you should learn how to read before embarassing yourself, dumb n-word
You didn't spell embarrassing correctly.
If this in America then it's beyond cringe
>t. /r/liberalgunowners user protecting his pet Black folk from the children of God
>Quality gear and good coordination
>Show up, protect community, leave without attention whoring once job is done
>No publicity or pics thereof ever since because actual proper fricking opsec
Those guys were honestly the best modern day example I've ever seen of an actual well regulated militia. Wonder how many like them there are out there.
>Wonder how many like them there are out there.
Hopefully enough.
>zogbot camo
only gays use multicam go back to airsoft zoomer Black person
you don't own guns
Only ZOGGED Judeo-puppet armies that lose to illiterate sandBlack folk use Multiscam
jews uses sovlful ranger green though
>Jews use good stuff while their foreign cannon fodder get utter garbage
Such is life.
bump
IFL 🙂
will use to bust balls
>the government made alot of it so its the best
>no you cant have different patterns- the UNIVERSAL PATTERNS are BEST
>pic related
they really do glow in the dark, I'll be goddamned
Literally any commercially available hunting gear you can find would be better. You're just military larpers, and homosexuals, if you want to dress in multicam to go shoot at the range.
sure if you want to look like a glowstick at night as soon as someone shines an IR illuminator at you. None of my hunting camos have good NIR performance.
No standard issue military garments have good NIR performance either
absolutely wrong moron, stop looking at airsoft multicam fatigues and look at the real thing
I would way rather be in ocp than some fricking realtree. I'm wearing it right now. In my job. In the military. Where I try to find people wearing this shit and can't tell at distance if that's a tuft of grass or a human body. No not ten feet of some standing figures in press shots. People actually trying to hide.
>wearing ACU
>on duty
>on PrepHole
>3am
>self-defense situation
Yeah okay.
It's not 3 am in europe friendo
>I'm outside your station.
>Looking through your port hole.
quit messing with my port hole start messing with my butt hole trackin
I fricking love OCP. Don’t get why people think it’s soulless when it’s effectively arid ERDL
Yeah its super good. Obviously there are more optimized patterns for jungle, desert or snow environments, but few countries have a single biome and multicam is one of the most flexible color palettes.
Real tree blows it out of the fricking water
How do you get plate carriers, pouches, and helmet covers made in realtree?
you don't. gay airsofters need to be purged.
Dude named Roman Kurmaz made crye replica gear in basically any pattern you could imagine, extremely high quality too. However he lived in Ukraine and is probably kill so you might be shit out of luck.
>Multicam chest rig
>Multicam shirt
>Multicam pants
>FDE gloves
>FDE boots
>Multicam beanie (winter)
>Multicam rodie hat (summer)
Feels good to be a gangster.
He's alive, his manufacturing was in kherson. He left during the occupation and is currently not in Ukraine.
As a pattern realtree is mid at best.
But then those fsggots have to go and print their logo on it ever 2 inches and ruins whatever pattern they had.
Logos do ruin otherwise good hunting patterns.
>deer cant read
There is a beauty in clear aesthetic.
>I was learning secondary colors when multicam was released
Be quiet, child.
realtree and mossy oak anything are absolute garbage. there's a reason no competent military on earth uses a mimicry camo.
>realtree and mossy oak anything are absolute garbage
That's wrong you moron. They are the antithesis to any *multi*camouflage by being highly specialized. They just work in a very narrow set of environments.
>there's a reason no competent military on earth uses a mimicry camo
Wrong again. They just don't use it because it's too specialized. .mil doesn't want to spend billions on camo, that's why they use one or two patterns
>They are the antithesis to any *multi*camouflage by being highly specialized. They just work in a very narrow set of environments.
they work in almost none. almost all of the classic fudd camos don't provide enough contrast and suffer from the same problem as M81, namely turning you into a dark blob.
>they work in almost none
Quit larping and go hunting some time. You might get an idea why you're wrong.
>realtree
I wanted this, but when I couldn't build my SHTF kit with it, I went to default multicam. I regret nothing, frick mismatching patterns and frick snowflakes. Funny story, police were raiding a suspect that was wearing multicam, and an officer shot and killed another officer in the suspect's back yard by accident. You also hear stories of friendly fire in Ukraine because everyone is wearing multicam and at long distances, you can't see identifying patches.
I live in NW AR and I've never seen a Black person wearning Realtree or Mossy Oak
Well... that being said... not many Black folk around here...
It's to avoid friendly fire once the NWO starts to speed up.
but multicam shit is super accessible and easy to get
>It's good because it's common
Which is great if you're lazy. You can't claim true autism status until you've hunted down some especially weird looking pattern or started dying UCP. Real men go through excessive levels of effort to obtain basic shit like mags and batteries because testosterone levels are inversely correlated with IQ points
No, it's common because it's good
Now if you want to be a special snowflake that's on you, i personally like ATACS
>mass produced-government ordered fatigues are good because there are alot of them
what are you, a democrat ?
>I personally like the worst pattern
just sponge gray on tan- there you go, atacs
>>mass produced-government ordered fatigues are good because there are alot of them
Rather they're mass produced and there's alot of them because they're good
>inb4 UCP
was only adopted by americans, unlike multicam
>just sponge gray on tan- there you go, atacs
i just like it bro
thats ATACS-FG, dumb moron
do you even own any of it or just .pngs
>inb4 UCP
calling it that and not ACU shows you were well below 18 not too long ago
>Rather they're mass produced and there's alot of them because they're good
Quantity is a quality of its own, huh commie?
>thats not ATACS, that's ATACS-FG
Ah, I get it- you actually are underage. Is why you call ACU "UCP"- you genuinely thought the green ATACS was the standard because you werent around when the original was the big deal. It's a fun thing: to have good intuition and over the course of a few posts determine someone's age and upbringing.
Hell yeah man, blue and purple in patterns is the cool stuff. Cuban elm leaf is my white whale
I was born in oct 2000
"ACU" is not the name of the pattern and was never the name of the pattern. Dumb grunts mixing up the term for a uniform and the term for a camouflage pattern doesn't mean anything. Your current ACU is in OCP, not in UCP.
To be fair to those dumb grunts. Dumb officers need to stop changing acronyms for no reason creating unnecessary confusion.
Anyone who was in the business in the 2000s referred to it as ACU. They dont wall m81 woodland BDU pattern- but this was called ACU. It simply was
They don't call m81 woodland "BDU pattern"*
Yeah I could tell.
Yeah I was right there with you using acronyms without knowing what they meant as a dumb kid. As often happens in the Army, people did not use the correct term and it became a habit. Senior NCOs probably older than you will now get after people calling the old pattern "ACU" because that's wrong, you still wear "ACU" you just wear it in OCP.
The Army is dumb like that, and needs to stop confusing things by changing acronyms like with BNCOC -> WLC -> BLC and with BDU -> ACU. But here we are, and we can start by correctly using the terminology we have.
My original point was ACU is what people who were around when it was issue often called it- UCP is what people post 2010 called it. The zoomer I was responding to admitted to being born basically 2001- he would have been in elementary school when the Army was considering alternatives to ACU pattern; but he spoke with AUTHORITY about the subject. Shows how the loudest are often the most ignorant
>pic related
although I dont like the presence of ukra*nes in this thread
meds
do your homework; I know youre a moron and are attending summer school right now- get back to it.
>hasn't seen original multicam before it was changed and adopted
I'm looking at my OG pair right now- yeah its pretty green
ACU is the US Army uniform, UCP is the camo pattern. If anything it's more autistic to refer to the camo itself as ACU. Same thing with calling the UCP tiger stripe pattern ABU.
>Oops, here's another old image where it was colloquially referred to as ACU
Dumb grunts are also why people have called magazines 'clips' ever since WWII and the M1 Garand.
The joke is Russians never wear multicam. Ukrainians do though.
>Russians never wear multicam
>russians wearing hearing protection with lights and optics
not saying it's fake, but there are maybe a few hundred guys in the entire russian military that get non-shit gear and if those are the guys that get an MC knock off, that's not much of the russian military at all
That's not multicam. Obvious with so much green, but nice try.
yeah it's the totally not multicam russian multicam
just like they use the totally not ATACS russian ATACS
>$40 earpro from Amazon
is his radio a Baofeng, too?
Yes
Based atacs enjoyer
atacs au works extremely well in the desert where I live. Better than multicam.
I know this is /k/ so intelligence is not the priority here, but M81 was used extensively through NATO and third world countries and remains so today. Lebanon only stopped using it a few years ago.
It's why I hate ERDL gays. They're weak. Real men only partake in obscure patterns that were the result of textile mistakes or experimental runs
Post your most exotic pattern
>the real desert ATACS
Can do kemo sabe, allow me to present Greek Airforce Lizard AKA Anti-camo
>Greek Airforce Lizard AKA Anti-camo
Better than the current USAF anti-camo.
noice
amazing what you can do with milsurp
>low quality print shirt in the shot
Not interested.
you don't like the camo or you don't like that I own other clothes?
What did I say?
Note how the pattern on the pocket does not match the pattern behind it? That's the sign of a low-quality shirt. I am not talking about the ABU
You could do better.
oh it's just a shirt I don't really care
I could tell.
Is this a black dye? I've always wanted to try that with ABU thinking it would look like some cool sci-fi villain uniform
yeah just a standard bottle of rit black dye. I think I might add dark gray to the next one I do
Dope. I have a few sets left over that I want to experiment with. I want to believe that the sage green pallette is the only thing holding ABU back
>tfw no use of urban camo
feelsbadman
It's pretty decent general camo.
I can already tell you're some sort of snowflake homosexual who wants to stand out so maybe camouflage isn't for you.
Camo design is basically irrelevant versus modern HD sensors and scopes It won't make a special of difference if you are seen or not
like I said earlier: the other half of camo is identity- everyone dressed the same and needing to wear bright colored armbands is counter-intuitive
Camo is misunderstood, it isn't about being invisible as much as making target acquisition take a few more seconds when the enemy knows your position. Not every theater of war takes place at night with infrared against vehicles
Here's your camo bro
It's good in arid scrubland like the western US and much of Afghanistan. It's passable in more sandy deserts like most of Iraq. It's trash anywhere that gets enough rainfall for proper foliage.
To stop the argument: I was in the Army during the transition from BDU to ACU. And no one ever referred to the camo patterns as "m81" or "UCP" or whatever.
You would say "bdu pattern" "acu pattern" "dcu pattern" etc.
Yes even within the difference between woodland and three color desert we just said BDU or DCU pattern.
Nobody is having that argument though
>skipped the first half of the thread
or tricolor/coffee stain
We were THIS close in the 90s with the most patrician urban pattern. Pisses me off still that their reason for canning it was 'nah no need for urban fighting- civic strife of the 90s is over' and then 2001 happened
Actually served, this one
>m81
You're being marketed to, Mr. Broctop
Camo gays are the worst gays. They scream and cry all day about the "best" obscure camo and waste all their time worrying about colors like some gay homosexual designer making a dress for fat women.
>like some gay homosexual designer making a dress for fat women.
Except they get paid to do so. Camogays do it for free lol.
We should go back to solid colors since the Russian-Ukraine War has demonstrated that PID is far more important and everyone's going to be friendly-firing each other if they all had the bright idea to wear Multicam lol
>Even the russians
Only Chechens and Russian SF use Multicam and that's because they sourced all of their gear off-the-shelf. Most manufacturers of OPS-CORE, G3s, and plate carriers already make their products in Multicam so it's cheaper just to buy that than custom order new sets in your country's standard issue camouflage pattern. The regular Russian Army uses EMR almost exclusively and the DNR/LNR use a mix of EMR and older patterns dating back to the days of the Soviet Union.
Ukraine is actually the exception to this trend because they have a tradition of producing their own equipment locally, thus you have LARPerator gear that comes in MM14 instead. The only Ukrainians who wear Multicam regularly are the Internal Troops/National Guard (Azov Regiment is a part of this force btw), who do source most of their equipment off-the-shelf from Western suppliers and wear Multicam to distinguish themselves from the regular army.
>Everybode hates something
>In my moronic logic that means it must be incredibly awesome
That's your brain on zoomerism
No, Anon, Multishit ain't good. Just like every other jack-of-all-trades it's highly mediocre and not able to do one single job really good.
That's why the Marines kept a full set of woodland and desert camo and they were fricking right.
Go check the Goeppen-Geiger-Diagram to see how many highly different geographical zones are on this planet. Most of them need a certain set of colors for a real good camouflage.
Multishit sucks for everything than semi-arid environments. It's not even a good desert pattern - 3-color desert or DPM desert were much better in that regard.
For me it's Norwegian camo, it's made for the surrounding environment here and it just works.
>it just works.
agreed, your guys camo is pretty /k/ino, same for sweden and binland
t. american
its a good, neutral earth tone based camo that works reasonably well in a lot of environments. I think a lot of its users realize this and that's why it's caught on so well. It makes way more sense for mass adoption than something like M81 that just turns you into a dark blob at distance. there's no real reason to hate it other than /k/ sovl-posting hipsterism. I like it.
Nevermind me. I'm just the best camo pattern on earth coming through.
based asat user. it's a perfect example of how a camo is supposed to work by providing contrast to break up outlines.
Is that why the zipper is bright yellow?
I have that hoodie
Asats great really fricks with the eyes of an ungulate
>go to war
>everyone uses the same camo
>don't want to commit fratricide
>solution is to wear a brightly colored armband, defeating the purpose of camo
shit sucks
RETVRN
>bloused (shiny) jump boots
>high speed trousers
>gear fits
>weapon immaculate
Why yes, I would follow SSG Screaming Eagles here into Normandy, why do you ask?
This might be a dumb question but why did we decide to with black and now painfully-too-light tan boots instead of Corcorans? Corcorans actually fit in most environments except the open desert being mud brown, but also look decent enough for use on the parade ground.
retvrn to absolute homosexualry?
post back of the hand
Why?
WW2 era kit was poor by even the standards of the day, we could've done so much more with the technology available to us.
russians have a massive inferiority complex when it comes to america, so despite them always insisting they're better in every way conceivable, they still try to emulate us constantly
>Is it good?
No. It's okay everywhere.
It can't hold a candle to specialized camo, but unlike specialized camo, it makes a positive (if small) difference pretty much everywhere. If you think you'll have to deal with multiple environments, and don't want the hassle of multiple designs, you could do worse than just using multicam everywhere.
>If you think you'll have to deal with multiple environments, and don't want the hassle of multiple designs
That's called using olive or khaki as a base and just throwing a specialized camo parka over it or soldiers painting it if time requires it
Talibans won without camo, bulletproof vests or helmets.
If you aren't willing to die, you can't win a war.
>If you aren't willing to die, you can't win a war.
YOU WILL NEVER BE 80s WOODLAND
>80s woodland
I prefer 60s woodland
all those new camos are ugly as frick and look like aliexpress paintball gear. It's woodland or nothing for me.
Works great for any agricultural or suburban region.
no it doesnt
only works inna desert barely
Modern agriculture is a desert.
Incorrect. Partizan summer is best for gardens.
>desert
its used by militia like Arizona Border Recon and looks like good match
some moron camo map has much of CA including SF Gay Area as light straw AKA "golden hills" of dry grass that exists 3/4 of year on all our rolling hills, except you ain't gonna be sitting alone on top or even side of big ass hill, you gonna be in shrubs and trees in the little mini-canyons, and CP is about perfect for everywhere except wide open dry grass hill side, and it ain't even too bad there.
I'd guess most of the action even in sandbox is where a few shrubs exist and a bit darker is better than too light (major issue with UCP and "glows")
IMO should mix up accessories a bit to further mix up camo but don't be like USMC with light desert clothes then dark plate carrier with everyone wearing same indicator.
also the alley behind the bar that's coated in a layer of human vomitus
works great there
wore multicam to a 4th of july party and nobody noticed or talked to me, i'd say it works pretty darn well
(:
Minecraft/Creeper camo
CP was created by Mr C how was a Fine Arts guy and works on similar as Impressionist Painting in that it leverages brain's optical processor as it tries to FILL IN.
IPs will look "more real than life" when viewed from correct distance because brain is making it so and that will also change in weird ways at diff distances.
>CP
ew thats gross
PS IIRC CP also creates fake depth as do supposedly RealTree etc but CP does it in more universal manner.
trying to scan for human blob if blob is covered in CP it will look like surface that is 10ft+ diff distance so couldnt be human or other object just random outdoors.
French woodland